Alan,
I guess I'm not making myself clear. There is no need for a DC bias of the
power input.
The wire trick (simply running a complete second circuit with both conductors
hidden in a single wire), uses only the normal A/C voltage supplied by the
mains.
It isn't the voltage that is rigged,
Jack Cole said:
Jack Cole said:
This is easily disproved. Look at the temperature output graph. How does
you notion of constant power instead of a 33% duty cycle explain the dips
as rises indicative of a 33% duty cycle in the output corresponding with
the measured power on cycles.
I'm not saying anything of
Alan,
Have you tried your model with what I think is the most likely method of fraud:
running full current through the supposedly dead 3rd phase wire?
This would change the power input from an an average of 266 Watts (800 Watts *
0.33) to 666 Watts (800 Watts * 0.33 + 400 Watts * 1.0).
This
I'll summarize the multiple emails, since I certainly don't want to flood the
channel by responding to each email individually.
Regarding the meter: Both the instruction manual and Mats Lewan (through an
email from the manufacturer) verifies that the meter DOES NOT measure DC
current.
David Roberson said:
The problem is that the bar can always be raised higher when one is seeking
proof of a system. Maybe I am wrong, but I have a strong suspicion
that there is virtually no test that Rossi could perform which would not afford
those who seek misconduct an avenue of attack.
David Roberson said:
You missed the point. I was only discussing the output power in this
section and not referring to the input at all. That is a different
issue.
Do you suggest that there is no doubt about the claim of the Higgs being
discovered?
You missed the point here. A higher COP
, at 10:42 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
From: John Milstone
For starters, CERN isn't selling franchises to the Higgs Boson.
CERN
doesn't rely on secret customers and secret experts to validate
their
work. Etc, etc.
This is complete bull crap ! Big Science is doing much worse than
Ed,
Nothing I've said here makes any reference to the topic of LENR. It is
entirely possible that LENR is real and Rossi is a fraud.
John
From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms stor
of the data.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 21, 2013 1:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
Nice attempt by Benne, Storms (I'm surprised that he piled on), and Roberson to
deflect the issue
FWIW, I put together a new version of Plot 8 from the original report,
showing the full Y axis and adding the power-in if the wire trick were being
used.
As you can see, the relationship between power in and power out is unchanged.
The only difference is that the E-Cat now gives a very good
The wire trick puts both sides of the circuit in the same wire. It's nothing
more than using a lamp cord masquerading as a single conductor wire (only using
wires that don't make it obvious that there are actually two conductors in the
same insulation.
It doesn't require a coaxial cable, and
Jed Rothwell said:
Anyone who glances at voltmeter probe connected to a wire will see there
is one conductor only, and not a second, insulated one under it.
The second cheese video shows that this isn't true. He measures the voltage
of his rigged power cord at about 10:30 into the video:
...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
There is nothing in the report that describes the testers performing surgery
on the power lines.
Please rephrase
Since Jed decided to debate me in absentia here on the Vortex, I thought I'd
respond.
Rothwell said:
No, as Ian Walker already pointed out to you, it says in the Appendix they
checked for it. Also they told me they did. Figure 1 shows a direct
connection to each of the 3 wires (for voltage) in
Do you have any evidence that Rossi said it had not been delivered to the
secret customer from *before* this issue blew up?
The only actual statement about the location of the BBB that I know of is from
October 30, when Rossi answered both of these questions 1. Is the 1MW
container gone? 2.
Very interesting!
It's obvious that the water being released at the end of the video is at a
*MUCH* higher pressure than the water/steam coming out of the rubber hose. I
guess that means that there are two separate containers of water. According to
Mats Lewan, that high-pressure stream
.
But Rossi admitted recently that he's working on the old box to make it ready
for the secret customer, who you claim has a different, previously unknown box.
Sure! That makes perfect sense.
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l
on a second box (lie, unless he's building the second box at a
different location).
From: John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old
was gone, and that he had a new box he was constructing.
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.
That's his sandbox! While
the secret customer hauled off an
untested BBB, or the October 28th test was nothing more than a publicity stunt
by Rossi.
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo
Yes, I remember reading Horace Hefner's analysis.
As I recall, he (as well as some others) have repeatedly questioned the very
stability you mention. It seems unlikely that the core can know how much
energy to produce to keep the device exactly at the right temperature to just
barely keep the
OK. Have a nice day.
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.
Rossi installed the other box at the customer's site, he
Perhaps. I don't see what this theory offers that makes it more likely than
Rossi is a con man.
Since you mention his TE... In the Army report, it says that Rossi returned to
Italy to continue working on it. What that report doesn't say is that Rossi
had every intention of returning to the
If Rossi's relationship with Sterling D. Allan didn't make this point, I don't
know what could!
For what it's worth, here's a link to an article by Allan, touting the
wonderful Tilley perpetual motion electric car!
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/tilley_article.pdf
at the University of Bologna,
I guess it's just a reasonable to assume that he lied about conducting TE tests
at the University of New Hampshire!
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:40 PM
Subject
I'll take one of each, please!
From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Paradox
what about fame and sex.
Wow! What blind faith.
It really doesn't occur to you that the reason for all the fraud by Rossi (and
pals) is because he don't have anything real.
I'll make a counter prediction: Rossi will *NEVER* allow a truly independent
test of his gadget by a reputable organization. He will *NEVER* be
At the risk of confusing the issue, is it possible that Rossi is trying to
*reduce* the apparent temperature of the system?
After seeing the video of the September test, and reading Eff Wiavkeef's
comments here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg61747.html
it seems obvious
and it became so
abusive that the forum was closed. They are a cancer and a barrier to progress
because of their own egos.
These people include Mary Yugo, Axil Axil, John Milstone, Eff Wivakeef and
others. You know who you are. If you will not stop this childish nonsense, I
ask you to shut up and go
of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
It would also explain the long, forceful jet of water/steam coming out of the
E-Cat then the high-pressure side was opened at the end of the video. Rossi
would have to hide the fact that the system
.
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
It was above 100 deg C but that does not prove the heat came from
and secret tests mean nothing.
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
If the water was at 5 to 10 bars
For what it's worth, here are the relevant links I have on Rossi's claims of
having been working with the University of Bologna...
January 21, 2011, Rossi says, We made an important test with the University of
Bologna, with whom we are going to make a 1 year research program also.
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:34:07, thorium breeder said:
Can rossi achieve do it yourself isotopic separation?
That ties in to the missing detailed isotopic analysis that Sven Kullander
promised before Christmas.
I've been trying to find prices for specific Nickel isotopes, and no one seems
to be
, including Krivit's water boiler. You need to go high
pressures and high steam velocities in order to produce stable wet steam. So
please, at least you should get the basic physics right.
—Jouni
On Jan 21, 2012 1:25 PM, Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21/01/2012 9:28 PM, John
If you trust Rossi, then you might as well accept the numbers presented by the
unknown consultant of the secret company.
If you don't trust Rossi, then there is absolutely nothing from the October
28th test to indicate that the MegaWatt E-Cat even got slightly warm (AFAIK),
with or without the
. If there is any chance that the process can be adapted
for something other than Nickel, then it would have, um, explosive consequences
should it fall into unfriendly hands.
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January
Have any of these people reported any signs of the E-Cat actually working
during the October 28th test? Or did they simply accept the write-up produced
by Rossi and the unknown consultant for the secret company.
I find it interesting that with all the intense interest in this story, it
Just because GM is selling a real electric car doesn't mean that Tilley was
legitimate. (http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/)
Just because there are real companies selling real solar power systems doesn't
mean that Greg Watson (apparently AKA Aussie Guy E-Cat) and his Sun Cube was
legit.
convince the nay-sayers.
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here
Just Levi and the AP reporter, which were the only ones that were present
!
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here
In the specific case of Rossi, he wants to exclude nickel below 62, but purity
is not a necessity, but an optimazation. So, if he
Thanks for reposting that information.
So, if the fuel or ash from an E-Cat contained excess 64-Ni, that would be
compelling evidence that he really does have a new and revolutionary means of
enriching Nickel isotopes, since it seems unlikely that he would have the
resources to spike his
Do either of these methods of transmutation work with the various isotopes of
Nickel?
Are either of them able to produce the kilogram quantities, for pennies a gram,
that Rossi would require?
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent:
The trouble is, if only 64Ni is converted into Copper (and/or Iron?), and the
ash is 30% Copper, then wouldn't there have to be 30% 64Ni in the fuel?
Otherwise, where is the Copper coming from?
And if Rossi can convert less than 1% 64Ni into at least 30%, and 64Ni is going
for $30,000/g, I
Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment
You mean Cu 65 and Cu63. That's the ash.
2012/1/21 John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com
Thanks for reposting that information.
So, if the fuel or ash from an E-Cat contained excess 64-Ni
.
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment
Why to 0.04$? To 100$ would be a great thing too.
Do you know of any way to enrich Nickel, or any other metal, for a few pennies
per gram? Either there is some known way to do this, or Rossi has made a major
breakthrough (with really, really dangerous WMD overtones), or Rossi is lying.
I have yet to hear of any enrichment method that is
, can they?
To end up with an ash containing 30% Copper in its natural isotope ratio (as
has been reported), you must start out with the companion Nickel isotopes
greatly enriched from their natural isotope ratios.
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: John
, January 21, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment
From: John Milstone
* I have yet to hear of any enrichment method that is within several
orders of magnitude of what Rossi *must* have, if he's really selling 100g
of fuel for $10.
Then why even attempt to believe it?
Yes
Ew! We are all being PUNished.
Anyone who understands these references needs to see the Mystery Science
Theater 3000 movie, which poked fun at This Island Earth.
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21,
.
John
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
So, you're saying that Jed Rothwell is wrong
Rossi got just short of a year's worth of borrowed credibility from his lies
about involvement with the University of Bologna. I documented at least three
times (the earliest was last January) when Rossi claimed he was *currently*
working with the U of B. I've read numerous statements by
The most reasonable answer to why he signed the contract was to gain borrow the
credibility of the University. Note that is was commonly reported that at
least some of his tests were conducted *at* the U of B, which as far as I know
is false. Note that Rossi waited until after the big finale
That might have some value if Lewan mentioned it *before* this issue blew up in
Rossi's face.
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment
Shaun Taylor
I wonder if Rossi would allow someone to come in and see/photograph the state
of his warehouse today? That might clear up a lot of confusion.
John
And yet, you insist that he COULDN'T have confused and outwitted the people
attending his demonstrations?
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from
Is for all we know the new standard for judging evidence?
From: Energy Liberator energylibera...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
For all we know NI have a
Jed Rothwell said:
It is also because he thrives on controversy. He loves confusing and
outwitting people,
Jed Rothwell also said:
He never fools me. He does not seem to be trying to fool me.
How fortunate that you appear to be the only person who isn't being bamboozled
by Rossi.
I haven't seen or heard of any reports by credible witnesses to either of
these. Are they buried somewhere in the LENR library?
In the case of Ampenergo, at least, I'm not overly impressed with a company
that consists of nothing but a one-page, content-free web site and an rental
office that
Maybe they just got tired of the hundreds, if not thousands of annoying emails
and phone calls from Rossi's fans, demanding a detailed accounting of just how
great Rossi's invention really is?
It isn't at all unusual for a company to release a statement on an issue that
is generating more than
. Is that not correct?
John
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi often says things he does not mean
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
I haven't seen or heard
Testing... 1, 2, 3. Is this any better?
(Sorry for the trouble!)
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi often says things he does not mean
If this container looks like the same container, in the exact same spot, and it
is unlikely that they would go to the trouble of repeatedly placing different
containers (or the same container multiple times) in the exact spot, doesn't
that mean that the original 1-MW container has never left
Hi everyone!
Last November, Sven Kullander promised a detailed isotopic analysis of the
ash from Rossi's E-Cat by Christmas. (http://ecatnews.com/?p=1416)
It's now well past Christmas, and I haven't seen any signs of this report.
Does anyone know what happened to it?
John
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