Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-20 Thread Eff Wivakeef
: Thursday, 19 January 2012 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com Steven, Didn't sleep much last night. Went for a morning walk along the beach with my dog and watched the sun come up. Just had a coffee with our chairman who lives not that far from me. I'm tak

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: Yes it's speculation. But taking the totality of the evidence and > putting Defkalion and Ampenergo into the equation, it just isn't the > way a true development of practical, powerful, LENR fusion reactors > would go. None of it makes the slig

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > I wish I could add something substantial to this list, but I can't.  I > haven't taken time to watch all of the videos or read the comments on Web > sites, so I have to rely on others f

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > That he will never do. As McKubre says, he wants chaos. He wants people to > think he has nothing. That is his business strategy. It has been all along. > He thrives on controversy. He stirs it up deliberately. > I wouldn't be surprised.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat > wrote: >> Steven, >> >> Didn't sleep much last night. Went for a morning walk along the beach with >> my dog and watched the sun come up. Just had a coffee with our chairman who >> lives no

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Steven, > > Didn't sleep much last night. Went for a morning walk along the beach with > my dog and watched the sun come up. Just had a coffee with our chairman who > lives not that far from me. I'm taking 2 weeks leave to get my head > to

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Craig Haynie
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 08:53 +1030, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Steven, > > Didn't sleep much last night. Went for a morning walk along the beach > with my dog and watched the sun come up. Just had a coffee with our > chairman who lives not that far from me. I'm taking 2 weeks leave to get > my he

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Steven, > > Didn't sleep much last night. Went for a morning walk along the beach with > my dog and watched the sun come up. Just had a coffee with our chairman who > lives not that far from me. I'm taking 2 weeks leave to get my head > to

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Steven, Didn't sleep much last night. Went for a morning walk along the beach with my dog and watched the sun come up. Just had a coffee with our chairman who lives not that far from me. I'm taking 2 weeks leave to get my head together. The company will not be moving forward with any of my LE

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12-01-19 10:13 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Here is the scenario that best fits all the facts: (1) the container was shipped to a customer in the USA (2) the container wasn't returned to Bologna, per se. (3) the footage in the 12 Jan YT video was older footage (4) the container did not work to th

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread John Milstone
Is "for all we know" the new standard for judging evidence?   From: Energy Liberator To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com  For all we know NI have a couple o

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Joe Hughes
For all we know NI have a couple of fat cats sitting in their workshop in the US to play with. I'd find this a little more plausible if Rossi's "US office" was in Austin, TX since NI does not have an office in Florida - or maybe even more if he would have mentioned Debrecen, Hungary where it

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > > It is time for Rossi to stop making wish full statements and to start > delivering independent "black box" tests. I can arrange to make that happen > as I'm sure many others can do. > Thank you, thank you, thank you. It was time for th

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > > All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production. Rossi > claims to be making another 13. Why not post a photo of that line? Will > that give away trade secrets? Instead what we get is a video of the 28 Oct > BBB. Is that a

RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
GOOD WORK ! This is like a good B.M. after months of constipation. From: Eff Wivakeef Because I have been on the bastards case for fooking YEARS! http://www.lavanlegal.com.au/index.php/publications/publicationdetail/provin g_the_width_of_publication_of_online_defamation_how_wide_is_the_audie

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: > > It's also possible Rossi was expecting the plant to be shipped when he made > that comment after which he and the customer decided to leave the plant > where it was and work on it in Bologna. This is why one should doubt Rossi's commer

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Eff Wivakeef
Hey Terry Check out Greg's posts on Whirlpool http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1660945# about the stupid SunCube then check out "aussie guy" posts about the stupid Ecat http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1782041# Also "Aussie Guy" posts on Peak Oil http://peakoil.com/forums/aussie-guy

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Eff Wivakeef
: Thursday, 19 January 2012 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com So Aussie Guy is Greg Watson?   No wonder he does not want his name known on this forum.   Eff - How did you find this out?     From:Eff Wivakeef   Hello Aussie Guy How are your smots and SunCubes going these

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Eff Wivakeef
Yup, you can count on it. Look at his style"coal face of engineering" "bleeding edge" blah de blah AND he always uses It's instead of Its  Because he is an ignorant FOOL and totally full of shit. Here is a lovely testimonial from one of his SunCube victims No good news for suncubes. The some

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > So Aussie Guy is Greg Watson? ROFLMAOPIP! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXZMZ-XvvzI T

RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Peter B
purchasing and prep , should be ready to do some testing in 2 months Peter > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:14:24 +1030 > From: aussieguy.e...@gmail.com > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com > > Peter, > > Good engineers are builders.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Eff Wivakeef
Greg Watson aka Aussie Guy It is time for you to stop pulling your pudding! From: Aussie Guy E-Cat To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com Steven, It is almost 4am here. Time for

RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
So Aussie Guy is Greg Watson? No wonder he does not want his name known on this forum. Eff - How did you find this out? From: Eff Wivakeef Hello Aussie Guy How are your smots and SunCubes going these days? Hi Friends I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid for a SM

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Steven, It is almost 4am here. Time for me to chill out and get some sleep. AG On 20/01/2012 3:10 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: From AG: Jed, This is more than chaos. He has buried himself. How can anybody believe a word of what he says anymore? He did not ship the plant. The

RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
"And yet, you insist that he COULDN'T have confused and outwitted the people attending his demonstrations?" Good point John. who on earth has Rossi outwitted, except these people (and the US taxpayers, in the TEG work a few years back) ? Certainly not DGT ! They played Rossi like a drum .

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
t; From: aussieguy.e...@gmail.com > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com > > Terry, > > Yup. Too right. > > We design / make the stuff that distances us from the cave. Everything > else is just support infrastructure. >

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From AG: > Jed, > > This is more than chaos. He has buried himself. How can anybody believe a > word of what he says anymore? > > He did not ship the plant. > > The plant is not in test by anybody. > > There is no NI control system hooked to that plant. > > The plant is not operational. > > There

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Eff Wivakeef
Hello Aussie Guy How are your smots and SunCubes going these days? Hi Friends I was one of the individuals that Bought and Paid for a SMOT unit from Greg Watson I never received it ... Greg Watson wrote: Hi Randy, You need to checkout the site I have created which has ample proof that the Prometh

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Jones, What is crap was the statement you made about the plant being returned by the customer. Just made it up did you? Every part of that statement is now seen to be imaginary. The only nonsense is coming from you. AG On 20/01/2012 2:49 AM, Jones Beene wrote: This is absolutely hilarious

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
What about you and your secret sources? 2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat > Daniel, > > At the moment Rossi's opponents will clean up the floor with what he has > said. The only thing that will save Rossi and the E-Cat is to say > > Company XYZ will be doing a 1 week public trial and test of the latest

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Jed, This is more than chaos. He has buried himself. How can anybody believe a word of what he says anymore? He did not ship the plant. The plant is not in test by anybody. There is no NI control system hooked to that plant. The plant is not operational. There is no circulation system or h

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Chemical Engineer
In 1974 Billy Preston predicted the rise of Andrea Rossi > "Nothing from Nothing leaves Nothing" while we all search for something... On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Daniel, > > At the moment Rossi's opponents will clean up the floor with what he has > said. The

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Daniel, At the moment Rossi's opponents will clean up the floor with what he has said. The only thing that will save Rossi and the E-Cat is to say Company XYZ will be doing a 1 week public trial and test of the latest E-Cat module. All the data, testing equipment and test protocols will be p

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Please don't try to rewrite history as other will now tear this fabricated > story apart. He has fabricated dozens of stories! You can't "rewrite history" with Rossi because no one ever knows what is true in the first place. > The internet has a very good memory an

RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
This is absolutely hilarious. ROTFL This "Aussie guy" whose real name he refuses to divulge - has been flooding this forum with BS crap from Rossi for months. Now he suddenly has an inside line to the "horse's mouth" and wants everyone to forget the disinformation he has been spreading in the pas

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread John Milstone
And yet, you insist that he COULDN'T have confused and outwitted the people attending his demonstrations? From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com  He

RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Peter B
.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com > > Terry, > > Yup. Too right. > > We design / make the stuff that distances us from the cave. Everything > else is just support infrastructure. > > Engineers rule. We built this world. > > If you do

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Jones, WTF? You think I'm a happy camper? My board will hang me out to dry, after kicking my ass so much my nose bleeds. That said I still believe the E-Cat data I have seen. It works. It needs work before it can be sold in a litigious world. Simple as that. AG On 20/01/2012 2:34 AM, Jones

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
I am confused about you attitude. Why do you want independent tests if the thing is real, at least for you? 2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat > Jones, > > I have my sources. Horses mouth sort of sources. 100% accurate. > > AG > > > > On 20/01/2012 2:28 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> AG: How do you know it

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread John Milstone
I wonder if Rossi would allow someone to come in and see/photograph the state of his warehouse today?  That might clear up a lot of confusion. John

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Jones, I have my sources. Horses mouth sort of sources. 100% accurate. AG On 20/01/2012 2:28 AM, Jones Beene wrote: AG: How do you know it was not shipped? -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat Jones, The BBB was not shipped.

RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
OK - so Rossi, having been caught in several "mistranslations" is now saying that that the BBB never left Bologna ... and the fanboys are happy once again? What a crock ... From: Frank Acland I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and received the following reply: " Of course th

RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
AG: How do you know it was not shipped? -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat Jones, The BBB was not shipped.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Terry, DFG has shown NOTHING. When they do their first public demo, like Rossi has done a dozen times, and not post some report from a private lab somewhere, I'll start to look at their claims. At the moment they want 30 million Euro up front to make a max 300k Hyperions a year. Not from thi

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Energy Liberator
Whilst that confirms that the plant never left the facility, seeing the facility so empty and devoid of activity certainly doesn't look like a there is much research, or optimisation work going on with NI or any other partner engineers. Of course it is possible th

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Wolf Fischer
As far as I am correct, you should have received the mail from andre_vortex at about 8:01 a.m. US central time. When did Rossi answer? But perhaps this is just too paranoid from my side and just not worth the thought... Wolf I wrote just this morning. It was 7:17 a.m. US central time. On

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Jed, Please don't try to rewrite history as other will now tear this fabricated story apart. The internet has a very good memory and Rossi has enemies. Rossi said he was attending the US customer's site, to assist with the install and commissioning. As we now know, that never happened as the

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > All we need is ONE photograph of another E-Cat on a production. He has to solve the eCat-napping problem before he can proceed. It might require another geometry change. Pity he can't hire those scientists from DGT. T

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Frank Acland
I wrote just this morning. It was 7:17 a.m. US central time. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Wolf Fischer wrote: > Frank, > > Thanks for the info! Just for verification: When did you write Rossi the > Mail and when was has this same interpretation been posted here on vortex? > There was a u

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Terry, Yup. Too right. We design / make the stuff that distances us from the cave. Everything else is just support infrastructure. Engineers rule. We built this world. If you don't think so, burn you house, all your possessions / assets into ash and take a drug to wipe your memory. Then wal

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rossi wrote: > " Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation. > The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence "gone") but it remained > in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instruments > improvements of the control systems. > It is actually plausib

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Jones, The BBB was not shipped. Rossi's statement that it was shipped to the customer was not correct. Your statement that it was returned by the customer is also not correct. Jones please stop making up false and misleading statement that either you are making up or your source is making up.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Wolf Fischer
Frank, Thanks for the info! Just for verification: When did you write Rossi the Mail and when was has this same interpretation been posted here on vortex? There was a user which thought of the same interpretation... Wolf I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and recieved the

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Daniel, I believe the data I have seen. There is a real product. It works. As an engineer, I believe there is still a LOT of engineer time, money and effort needed to make this a reliable and certifiable product, produced in a ISO 9001/2008 and product certified manufacturing facility that me

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Frank Acland
I emailed Andrea Rossi this morning about this issue and recieved the following supply: " Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation. The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence "gone") but it remained in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instrume

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Has this systemic problem of quiescence been solved? > As far as I know, there is no such problem. Both Rossi's devices and Defkalion's have run for weeks uninterrupted. What makes you think there is a problem? There is problem making the thing run in self-sustaining mode. T

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
EL, My curse is I remember just about everything I see and hear. Sometimes that ability has saved my a$$. Rossi has recently stated the E-Cat facilities and the homes of his employees are heated with E-Cats. AG On 20/01/2012 1:27 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: AG, Not that it changes anyth

RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
Here is the scenario that best fits all the facts: (1) the container was shipped to a customer in the USA (2) the container wasn't returned to Bologna, per se. (3) the footage in the 12 Jan YT video was older footage (4) the container did not work to the customer's specifications (5) the container

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Peter Gluck
A barrel of Lies plus a spoon of Truth = s barrel of Lies. A barrel of Truth plus a spoon of Lies = a barrel of Lies. Rossi is constantly delivering low quality, unreliable, unverifiable information and it is a waste of time to try to extract the truth of it. Everything is possible, even the imposs

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
EL, Yup. The BBB never moved, was never gone, was never shipped, was never returned, is not currently operational and is not in testing despite what Rossi has claimed. Also that facility is not heated with an E-Cat. Is there another facility that is making fully functional E-Cat, has a prod

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Energy Liberator
AG, Not that it changes anything, but why do you expect the facility to be heated by the e-cat? Rossi said that the facility that he was heating with the e-cat was sold to raise funds to take this project further. What is clear is that we just don't know what is going on. I hope Rossi clears

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Chemical Engineer
Rossi would make a good politician... While I am not defending Rossi, it is standard to have a "factory acceptance test" before shipping a large, expensive unit. It is also typical to have a payment tied to a satisfactory result from that acceptance test. It is also typical to have a punch list

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
So, just tell me, at least the 1MW models is a fake story? Not talking about the technology, just specifically about the 1MW unit. Because, if that is a fake, it's hard to believe in any other 1MW since these was a kind of fundamental prototype. 2012/1/19 Aussie Guy E-Cat > Daniel, > > Rossi sa

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Daniel, Rossi said the 28 Oct BBB was shipped to the customer. We now know it was not shipped nor was the BBB gone as he also claimed. AG On 20/01/2012 12:52 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: The problem it is that he said THAT container with its contents were sold. Or so, that's what I understood.

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2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Daniel, It is also obvious that there are no E-Cats heating that facility in Italy. You may ask is heating needed in a Florida E-Cat manufacturing plant? There are no coolant circulation systems nor heat exchangers attached to the 12 Jan imaged BBB. How can there be any testing of the BBB in

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
EL, Rossi has already stated the BBB in the video is the same unit as in the 28 Oct video. We know it has not moved despite Rossi saying "YES" to the question "WAS IT GONE". AG On 20/01/2012 12:55 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: I still don't think that was spelled out clear enough to ensure a

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
EL, No that is not correct. Rossi clearly said that the unit we saw in the 28 Oct demo had been shipped (it was gone) and he had attended the customers site to install it. He stated he was building a new plant in a new container. AG On 20/01/2012 12:50 AM, Energy Liberator wrote: I belie

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Andre Blum
I also filled in the enquiry form on ecat.com with the question whether they used old footage in the video, or if the container was still there when they filmed. I clearly referred to the discussion on vortex and the issue about the container's position. On 01/19/2012 10:25 AM, Energy Liberat

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2012-01-19 Thread Energy Liberator
I still don't think that was spelled out clear enough to ensure an non ambiguous answer. You didn't specifically ask if that was the container that he is working on for the customer with NI. It's possible that the footage is recent, the container was the one from the test and is still there to

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
The problem it is that he said THAT container with its contents were sold. Or so, that's what I understood. 2012/1/19 Energy Liberator > AG > > If he is working on fixing leaking gaskets then he doesn't need the whole > plant working so perhaps they are using the unit on the table for stress > t

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Energy Liberator
I believe this is probably the most likely case. On 19/01/12 13:58, Vorl Bek wrote: Maybe the container in the video and picture is a demo, like the ones in car showrooms. The one the customer actually buys is the one from the lot or the one being manufactured that is shipped in a week later.

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2012-01-19 Thread Andre Blum
FYI, I just queued to following question for moderation on JONP: Dear Mr Rossi, Following some discussion on vortex-l about the jan 12 interview on youtube, where it seems to show the 1 MW container in exactly the same spot as on the 28th of October: (1) Is that recent footage? Is the contai

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2012-01-19 Thread Energy Liberator
AG If he is working on fixing leaking gaskets then he doesn't need the whole plant working so perhaps they are using the unit on the table for stress testing. Likewise NI may not require the whole plant working to do their work. There is also the possibility that this unit is only a test bed

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Andrea Selva
And I wonder why he does't miss any smallest opportunity to show his Bologna workshop to whoever walks down the street but nobody on the earth has never seen a single square feet of his factories in the US ? 2012/1/19 Wolf Fischer > I think, this is actually one of the better explanations pro R

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Andrea Selva wrote: > I'd add > (5) In Rossi's English Yes means NO I hope he doesn't have any daughters. T

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > I like noise as that is where all the interesting stuff lives. Just don't be demeaning engineers. "Just an engineer . . " really! We are Yaldabaoth! :-) T

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2012-01-19 Thread Andrea Selva
I'd add (5) In Rossi's English Yes means NO 2012/1/19 Andre Blum > Keep in mind that Rossi was probably not aware of a very thorough > discussion (including photoshop analysis, etc,) about this footage of the > BBB, concentrating around the question whether it had ever moved a single > millimet

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2012-01-19 Thread Wolf Fischer
I think, this is actually one of the better explanations pro Rossi so far that I have heard of... Then the question remains where he did build the other 1MW cats..? In the US directly? And the more general question to me is, why he has a place in Italy at all if he is seemingly doing most the s

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2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Terry, This is like an experiment. All the data shows the expected result. Then you get a set of data that calls all the other data into question. Do you then: 1) Throw it out, claiming it is just noise? 2) Say WTF and investigate? I'm a #2 kind of guy. But then just maybe that is why I'm a

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Andre Blum
Keep in mind that Rossi was probably not aware of a very thorough discussion (including photoshop analysis, etc,) about this footage of the BBB, concentrating around the question whether it had ever moved a single millimeter. He just received a very simple question: /1. Italo R. January 18th,

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2012-01-19 Thread Vorl Bek
> Andre, > > Question: > Is the container gone? > > Answer: > Yes. > > Can't be much simpler than that. Maybe the container in the video and picture is a demo, like the ones in car showrooms. The one the customer actually buys is the one from the lot or the one being manufactured that is shippe

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > I'm just an engineer, so I may be wrong but I don't think so. Hey, hey, hey . ! T

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
EL, Look I still believe the E-Cat is a workable FPE device. BUT it needs a LOT of work by good engineers. I don't see that happening as Rossi appears to be holding the IP VERY close to his chest. This product needs a really good team of experienced development engineers. Not just NI. Thermal

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
EL, Work on it? How? Nothing is there to test it under load. How can you test for leaks with no water circulation system in place and no heat load to generate steam and increase the pressure? I'm just an engineer, so I may be wrong but I don't think so. AG On 19/01/2012 11:38 PM, Energy

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2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Andre, Question: Is the container gone? Answer: Yes. Can't be much simpler than that. AG On 19/01/2012 11:31 PM, andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: English is not my native language, but I think (only) when interpreted very liberally, "gone" can be interpreted as "sold". (like in: "going... going

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Wolf, I have a VERY good memory. Almost pictorial. I know what I have read and heard. It may take me some time to find it but I will find it. AG On 19/01/2012 11:30 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: Thanks for searching and clarifying that. So he lied, plain and simple. Someone should confront him wi

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2012-01-19 Thread Energy Liberator
I agree. It does look as though Rossi is being contradictive in his statements. Maybe we should just ask him directly. I bet ecat.com didn't post that interview now. Look at the can of worms it's opened. On 19/01/12 13:09, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: The is

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2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
The issue is: Rossi says the plant is gone (shipped). Rossi says he is attending the customer's US site to do the install. Rossi say he is working with the customer and NI and is making amazing progress. Rossi says it has not been returned by the customer. A video from 12 Jan s

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2012-01-19 Thread Energy Liberator
This was my point earlier. Many things can be misunderstood or misinterpreted because of Rossi's use and understanding of English. I deal with a lot of foreign people in English and am used to how they phrase things in English or their understanding of English.

RE: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Douglas Hill
] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:02 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com EL, There are other similar dark stains on the floor that did not evaporate. AG On 19/01/2012 10:56 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: > That stains on the floor could be water

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2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
EL, There are other similar dark stains on the floor that did not evaporate. AG On 19/01/2012 10:56 PM, Energy Liberator wrote: That stains on the floor could be water (or another fluid) which evaporated leaving no stain. Admittedly they look dark for water but may be a product of the exposur

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2012-01-19 Thread andre_vor...@blums.nl
English is not my native language, but I think (only) when interpreted very liberally, "gone" can be interpreted as "sold". (like in: "going... going... gone"). Andre Blum On 01/19/2012 08:56 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped

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2012-01-19 Thread Energy Liberator
OK, I can't argue with that. On 19/01/12 12:56, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container. htt

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2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510&cpage=27#comment-106637 AG On 19/01/2012 11:21 PM, Frank Acland wrote: I haven't been able to find any place where Rossi said that the 1MW plant was taken away by the customer. Nor can I find anywhere where he states that the unit was going to t

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2012-01-19 Thread Wolf Fischer
Thanks for searching and clarifying that. So he lied, plain and simple. Someone should confront him with his earlier statements, although this is probably useless... Wolf Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the customer and he was building the next 1

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2012-01-19 Thread Frank Acland
Good find, AG. Thanks for the correction. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Wolf, > > On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the > customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container. > > http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physic

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2012-01-19 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Wolf, On 30 Oct 2011, Andrea Rossi said the 1 MW plant had been shipped to the customer and he was building the next 1 MW plant in a new container. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510&cpage=27#comment-106637 Andrea Rossi October 30th, 2011 at 2:15 PM Dear Luke Mortensen: 1- yes

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Frank Acland
I haven't been able to find any place where Rossi said that the 1MW plant was taken away by the customer. Nor can I find anywhere where he states that the unit was going to the USA. All he has confirmed publicly, as far as I can gather, is that it was a military entity who made the purchase. Since

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

2012-01-19 Thread Energy Liberator
But was it actually Rossi that said that or was it interpreted as that by a reporter, blogger, or some other party? I find that so much gets misinterpreted and misreported due to reports not always originating from original sources that it's difficult to keep trac

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2012-01-19 Thread Energy Liberator
That stains on the floor could be water (or another fluid) which evaporated leaving no stain. Admittedly they look dark for water but may be a product of the exposure. So I don't think it's conclusive. On 19/01/12 03:24, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Daniel, Try this image of the non and stained fl

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