:* mercredi 29 mai 2013 21:53
*To:* **vortex-l@eskimo.com**
*Cc:* Edmund Storms
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall, only
that this must be done. A secret sauce is applied before the Ni
at a low frequency
regarding the material used by Rossi to make its eCat.
_
From: David L Babcock [mailto:ol...@rochester.rr.com]
Sent: jeudi 30 mai 2013 02:57
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat CB radio RF
generation
If plenty of power
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:19 PM Eric Walker wrote:
**
- We are told that the central reactor core is a 310 stainless steel
cylinder ( 3cm by 33cm). There is no port for introduction of H2. The
ends are cold welded closed.
The ends were cone-shaped AISI 316 steel caps that
From: Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 5:27:51 AM
The ends were cone-shaped AISI 316 steel caps that were
hot-hammered into the ends. I don't think they were welded.
This hot-hammering of the cone-shaped insert is a description of a
type of cold welding.
Yes Eric I can, but only in terms of my theory. As you know, I believe
small gaps are required that are created by stress relief. So, what
would Rossi have to react Ni with to create stress in the surface? The
reaction would have to result in a compound having a high melting
point, low
: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Why else would Rossi say that the output of his control box was a trade
secret?
A DC feed of a internal heater is not a trade secret.
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be
wrote:
Axil,
I doubt
I would like to submit my speculation about the latest Rossi hotCat for
discussion on Vortex-l.
- We are told that the central reactor core is a 310 stainless steel
cylinder ( 3cm by 33cm). There is no port for introduction of H2. The
ends are cold welded closed.
- When the test
Hi,
On 29-5-2013 16:29, Bob Higgins wrote:
Consider what Celani has done - taken a Ni-Cu alloy wire and etched
out the Cu to realize the surface nanotexturing, thus creating NAEs on
the wire outer surface.
What if this wire is wound in a coil shape?
I believe the cylindrical outer heaters
*The powder is still the active agent of the reaction. In the December
test, the powder was concentrated in two places. This concentration
produced hot spots, uneven distribution of heat who control was difficult
leading to a meltdown.*
* *
* *
*If the active agent were produced on the inside
I believe the cylindrical outer heaters are just resistor coils embedded
in a high thermal conductivity ceramic.
I suspect that Andrea has at TWO sides of the power triangle more or less
regular resistors connected and between the phases at the third side a
resistor coil for a very
Hi,
On 29-5-2013 17:11, Bob Higgins wrote:
I think his reaction is being stimulated by heat (perhaps cycled
heating).
That's were the two more or less regular resistors play their role to
heat up the system, while the third coil is responsible for the oscillation.
Kind regards,
Rob
Hi,
What if the vessel is acting as a kind of capacitor and in conjunction
with the coil creates the ideal oscillation circuit?
Kind regards,
Rob
*Are you saying that the oscillations set up in the mouse (outer cylinder)
induces oscillations inside the cat (inner cylinder)?*
* *
*The mouse pulls the cats tail?*
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.comwrote:
Hi,
What if the vessel is acting as a kind of
Hi,
On 29-5-2013 17:24, Axil Axil wrote:
*Are you saying that the oscillations set up in the mouse (outer
cylinder) induces oscillations inside the cat (inner cylinder)?*
**
*The mouse pulls the cats tail?*
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com
Bob, this is a good analysis of a possible design. You are right, the
powder must make good thermal contact with the wall for the nuclear
reaction to be controlled by temperature. Just how Rossi makes this
happen is unknown. Nevertheless, most of the active nickel must be
attached to the
. However, it would take the
right kind of kinetics- I am not sure carbonyl would allow for the correct temp
cycles.
D2
CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com
From: stor...@ix.netcom.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:42:32 -0600
Bob, this is a good
CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com
From: stor...@ix.netcom.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:42:32 -0600
Bob, this is a good analysis of a possible design. You are right,
the powder must make good thermal contact with the wall
the right kind of kinetics- I am not sure carbonyl
would allow for the correct temp cycles.
D2
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CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com
From: stor...@ix.netcom.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:42:32 -0600
Bob
for the correct temp
cycles.
D2
-
CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com
From:
stor...@ix.netcom.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:
[Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:42:32
-0600
Bob, this is a good analysis of a possible design. You are right,
the powder must make
From: Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:29:30 AM
I would like to submit my speculation about the latest Rossi hotCat
for discussion on Vortex-l.
The Penon report (Aug 2012 -- the first hotcat radiative test)
From: Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:19:03 AM
What if the vessel is acting as a kind of capacitor and in
conjunction with the coil creates the ideal oscillation circuit?
That's just like the (Biblical) Arc of the Covenant. A wood (cedar) insulator,
with
milk balls but a recent thread also suggested a gelatinous colloid.
Fran
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:43 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Bob, this is a good analysis of a possible
colloid.
Fran
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:43 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Bob, this is a good analysis of a possible design. You are right,
the powder must make good
colloid.
Fran
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:43 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Bob, this is a good analysis of a possible design. You are right, the
powder must make
.
Fran
** **
*From:* Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:43 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Cc:* Edmund Storms
*Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
Bob, this is a good analysis of a possible design. You
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall, only that this
must be done. A secret sauce is applied before the Ni is placed in the e-Cat in
order to create the NAE. You need to identify how many additional secret sauces
you
Storms
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall, only that
this must be done. A secret sauce is applied before the Ni is placed in the
e-Cat in order to create the NAE. You need to identify how many
If the powder sinters, I suppose:
That's good because it is what makes the powder stick to the wall.
That's bad because it reduces surface area. This is what caused Arata's
pure Pd black cells to stop working after a while.
Takahashi said it was not the high temperature but rather the chemical
I wrote:
That's bad because it reduces surface area. This is what caused Arata's
pure Pd black cells to stop working after a while.
I mean the Double Structured (DS) cathodes.
Those things were crammed full of Pd black, according to McKubre. I think
he said that. Cramming them full ensured
on the earlier ecat and actually be part of the
NAE formation?
Fran
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds
In the Arata experiment, when the powder melted, the reaction stopped.
In dynamic NAE creation, when the NAE is destroyed, new NAEs take its place
and the cycle is constant.
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
That's bad because it reduces
by the black
box between wall socket and the eCat.
Arnaud
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 21:53
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder
box between wall socket and the eCat.
Arnaud
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 21:53
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall
@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Amaud, we do not know this is as a fact. That conclusion is only proposed.
We only know the black box controls the temperature INSIDE, probably in a
complex way. The Ni-H2 reaction has shown no need in the past
between wall socket and the eCat.
** **
Arnaud
--
*From:* Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
*Sent:* mercredi 29 mai 2013 21:53
*To:* **vortex-l@eskimo.com**
*Cc:* Edmund Storms
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
be somewhere there. EM stimulation could enhance the rate of
the reaction.
That’s not a fact I know.
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:14
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Amaud, we
Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
If the powder sinters, I suppose:
That's good because it is what makes the powder stick to the wall.
That's bad because
Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 21:53
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall,
only that this must be done. A secret sauce is applied before
Axil,
I doubt that the actual design of the eCat is able to bring CB range signal
from electrical heating system. Or where else ?
_
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:08
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
.
** **
-mark
** **
*From:* Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:11 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
If the powder sinters, I suppose:
** **
That's good because it is what
:* Edmund Storms
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall, only
that this must be done. A secret sauce is applied before the Ni is placed
in the e-Cat in order to create the NAE. You need to identify how
signal from electrical heating system. Or where else ?
** **
--
*From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:08
*To:* vortex-l
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
EMF simulation
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 21:53
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall,
only that this must be done. A secret sauce
else ?
** **
--
*From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:08
*To:* vortex-l
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
EMF simulation in the CB range will form nanoparticles (aka clusters
[mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:43
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Why else would Rossi say that the output of his control box was a trade
secret?
A DC feed of a internal heater is not a trade secret.
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:34
:* Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
*Sent:* mercredi 29 mai 2013 21:53
*To:* **vortex-l@eskimo.com**
*Cc:* Edmund Storms
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall, only
that this must be done
K2CO3 ?
_
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:49
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
They stated that the chemical was potassium carbide or some other carbon
potassium combo.
Carbon will also make nana
...@gmail.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:08
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
EMF simulation in the CB range will form nanoparticles (aka
clusters). Potassium is the best candidate for the formation of
dynamic NAE through nanoparticle formation when
2013 22:49
*To:* vortex-l
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
They stated that the chemical was potassium carbide or some other carbon
potassium combo.
Carbon will also make nana-particles when the compound vaporizes.
** **
On Wed, May
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Jed asked:
Question: assuming it really is 0.3 g, what is the likely volume?
Nowhere near enough to fill the cylinder.
*Why such a large cylinder?*
- most likely would be to get the necessary surface area to adequately
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Cc:* Edmund Storms
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall, only
that this must be done. A secret sauce is applied before the Ni is placed
in the e-Cat in order
The SCRs will give a giant di/dt but only once per cycle of the mains.
From: Arnaud Kodeck [mailto:arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:34 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Axil,
I doubt that the actual design of the eCat
Hi Axil,
If the pixs are with powder could you send me the link.
Thanks
Fran
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:36 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
With such a small amount of powder involved
: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
EMF simulation in the CB range will form nanoparticles (aka
clusters). Potassium is the best candidate for the formation of
dynamic NAE through nanoparticle formation when stimulated by EMF.
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Arnaud Kodeck
design of the eCat is able to bring CB
range signal from electrical heating system. Or where else ?
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:08
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
EMF simulation in the CB range will form
:31 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Amaud, I have no doubt EM stimulation will enhance the LENR reaction. The
only question is whether Rossi is successfully applying such stimulation.
Based on the design of the hot-e-Cat, I do
?
** **
--
*From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:08
*To:* vortex-l
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
EMF simulation in the CB range will form nanoparticles (aka clusters
We know that Ni powder sinters at the temperature being produce
What about adding some small amount of some other element to raise the
sintering/melting temp; commonly done in alloying.
OOTB suggestion...
Anyone ever tried an alloy of Ni and Pd??? Ni and Ti???
LENR works with both, NAE possible
:* RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
Jed asked:
Question: assuming it really is 0.3 g, what is the likely volume?
Nowhere near enough to fill the cylinder.
**Why such a large cylinder?**
** **
- most likely would be to get the necessary surface
:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:31 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Cc:* Edmund Storms
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
Amaud, I have no doubt EM stimulation will enhance the LENR reaction. The
only question is whether Rossi is successfully applying
:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:36 PM
*To:* vortex-l
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
With such a small amount of powder involved, a supercharge heat transfer
mechanism must be in play. I say that the system
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/105322688-Penon4-1.pdf
On p. 6. Very revealing!!
- Jed
Mark, according to my understanding, ANY material can be made nuclear
active as long as H+ can dissolve in the material. The challenge is
to know what change has to occur too create the NAE. Each theory
suggests a different change. Simply making alloys is a waste of time
unless this
...@lmco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:54 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
So, are we are suggesting instead a much thinner layer [.3g] spread over the
entire inner surface of the reactor only? Or a foaming fixation that makes
the nickel powder expand to fill
no, no, no...cheese power requires a cheese sauce! ;-)
Harry
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
On May 29, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
You did not use the potassium based secret sauce that Rossi uses.
How do you know his sauce is potassium
I wrote:
http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/105322688-Penon4-1.pdf
On p. 6. Very revealing!!
Oops. Cancel. Not so revealing. That's just putty.
I didn't think Andrea would reveal so much. He is not Nature Unveiling
Herself Before Science.
? Or a foaming fixation that
makes the nickel powder expand to fill the cavity ?
** **
*From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:33 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
** **
Jed asked
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:13 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
We know that Ni powder sinters at the temperature being produce
What about adding some small amount of some other element to raise the
sintering/melting temp; commonly done in alloying.
OOTB suggestion...
Anyone
Harry, I suggest you consult the literature. Addition of Cu LOWERS the
mp of Ni.
Ni and Cu form a continuous soild solution. The melting point is close
to being linear between 1083° and 1453°, the mp of Ni.
Ed Storms
On May 29, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Wed, May 29, 2013
Really? I did consult the literature a few weeks ago.
My memory is playing tricks on me.
harry
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Harry, I suggest you consult the literature. Addition of Cu LOWERS the mp
of Ni.
Ni and Cu form a continuous soild
-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint
We know that Ni powder sinters at the temperature being produced
What about adding some small amount of some other element to raise the
sintering/melting temp; commonly done in alloying.
Look no further than the hydride, but beware.Nickel
As mentioned in a previous thread, it may be possible for the stainless
cell to get hotter than the Ni, particularly if the inner coating is thin.
If the heat is conveyed from the NAE via photons, the photons could be
absorbed in the 3mm thick stainless cell rather than in the thin Ni
coating.
.
*From:*Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:43
*To:* vortex-l
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Why else would Rossi say that the output of his control box was a
trade secret?
A DC feed
Whoops! Hit the send button instead of spell check.
... obfuscate things, hide IP. Might take a chance at spilling some CB
band junk just to mislead casual observation.
Jeez, this sounds like we're beating the fraud horse. No, no, it's back
to how does he stimulate/control ECat.
Ol' Bab
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:
- We are told that the central reactor core is a 310 stainless steel
cylinder ( 3cm by 33cm). There is no port for introduction of H2. The
ends are cold welded closed.
The ends were cone-shaped AISI 316
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Rossi has done something to the Ni powder that is very stable and not
affected by high temperature. This fact alone greatly reduces the
possibilities to anyone familiar with the materials science of this
material.
The small bit of powder that came out when the reactor was cut open was likely
the hydride that, when heated, pressurized the reactor with H2 gas…
From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:17 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Speculation
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