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*From:* Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Saturday, August 04, 2012 11:57 AM
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Le Aug 3, 2012 à 3:35 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com a écrit :
Till now, we have
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Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:33 PM
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I believe that our science is limited by our observational instrumentation,
therefore our science is imperfect.
In this light, the Darwinian theory of evolution
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Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:33 PM
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I believe that our science is limited by our observational instrumentation,
therefore our science is imperfect.
In this light, the Darwinian theory of evolution in its
Gore.
Dave
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From: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:43 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
I am not lamenting the shortcomings of science, I am lamenting the lack of
integrity
Jojo,
You strike me as having been seduced by the dark side of the Vort Collective
and now willing to participate in some of your favorite Off-Topic discussions –
including the generation of a few of your own. A good scrappy discussion can
occasionally be a refreshing treat for many here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism
Creationism is the religious belief[1] that humanity, life, the Earth, and
the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, most often referring
to the Abrahamic God. As science developed from the 18th century onwards,
various views developed which
Le Aug 4, 2012 à 10:50 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net a écrit :
What is your explanation for the scientific implications that come out of
scientific measurements deduced from radioactive decay, such as carbon dating?
I have not followed the debate concerning
: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 1:50 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
Jojo,
You strike me as having been seduced by the dark side of the Vort Collective
and now willing to participate
From Jojo
Steven, I am relunctantly engaging in these off-topic posts
to make a point. Since, you and Jed refuse to moderate your
off-topic posts despite my numerous pleas, I am now doing
this to make a point and settle a bet with Terry. That there
is a double standard that exists
-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
From Jojo
Steven, I am relunctantly engaging in these off-topic posts
to make a point. Since, you and Jed refuse to moderate your
off-topic posts despite my numerous pleas, I am now doing
:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
Le Aug 3, 2012 à 3:35 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com a écrit :
Till now, we have defined species based on their gross physical
characteristics. We now know that that approach is flawed and contributes
Hello gang,
In honor of my bet with Terry, this is my first post on the Fallacies of
Darwinian Evolution. Before I continue, I would like to lay the ground work
and define a few basic terms that we will be using in my series of posts.
Hopefully, people read this post so that I do not have
Recent discoveries show that Darwin's ideas were an over
simplification of genetics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/ghostgenes.shtml
T
of Information and order.
But I am getting ahead of myself. I will discuss DNA information in a
future post.
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution
jth...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2012 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
Yes, That is why I say Darwinian Evolution is dead, a totally discredited
and fallacious idea.Darwin did not know about DNA, genes
will *likely*
disappear.
-Mark
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:06 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
Jojo I think that your statement that no random process can increase
Darwinian Evolution presupposes that the mutation or the change is small,
and the mutation process in passed down only via the mechanism of natural
selection. In other words, a new trait must not be so complex and the
change so huge as to cause people to suspect that there might be some
directed
The genome of an organism is more complex and adaptive then the
creationist’s arguments assume and are embodied in the genetic concept of
Epigenesis.
Though the theory seems an obvious fact to us in today's genetic age,
however, the theory was not given much credence in former times because of
The trait or change must be permanent. In other words, the change must not
revert back or disappear once the stress is removed. If it does, it will
not be additive and hence can not result in a complex organ like an eye. This
will result in natural selection only for a few generations and then
Renowned paleontologist Jack Horner has spent his career trying to
reconstruct a dinosaur. He's found fossils with extraordinarily
well-preserved blood vessels and soft tissues, but never intact DNA. So, in
a new approach, he's taking living descendants of the dinosaur (chickens)
and genetically
, Aug 3, 2012 2:25 pm
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Renownedpaleontologist Jack Horner has spent his career trying to reconstruct
adinosaur. He's found fossils with extraordinarily well-preserved blood
vesselsand soft tissues, but never intact DNA. So
From first principles of infinite time and random fluctuations of
nothingness, humans can evolve.
Said in simple terms, given enough time, the human species can come into
existence as a result of random chance.
The way modern theological though handles this sort of argument in terms of
7. The change or trait must not affect an individual's reproductive ability.
If there is no reproduction, there is no natural selection, hence no
Darwinian Evolution.
Not true
With the ambiguity in the definitions of the concept of species
notwithstanding, even when species have diverged,
LET ME BEGIN with a general 'adhominim' pejorative statement: The I
AM/Infinite All Mind has a 'thing' forNINCOMPOOPS, He/She excreted so many of
them; of which I am numero uno. . .(or not) so now that we have 'that' out of
the way. . . )
***THIS IS EXCELLENT TAOISM*** oldest 'book of
.
Jojo
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From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
Jojo I think that your statement that no random process can increase the
information
.
Needless to say, I consider Theistic Evolution more fallacious than Darwinian
Evolution.
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From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 3:09 AM
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From
: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2012 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
Yes, That is why I say Darwinian Evolution is dead, a totally discredited
and fallacious idea.Darwin did not know about
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120724104638.htm
How quickly can new species arise? In as little as 6,000 years,
according to a study of Australian sea stars.
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
Darwinian Evolution presupposes that the mutation or the change is small, and
the mutation process in passed down only via the mechanism of natural
selection. In other words, a new trait must not be so complex
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Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 05:39:47 +0800
The formation of crystals with the apparent
increase in information is a process governed by chemical laws - the polar
bonding laws governing
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From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
The genome of an organism is more complex and adaptive then the creationist’s
arguments assume and are embodied
confer a survival advantage each
and every step of the way.
Jojo
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From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
The trait or change must
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From first principles of infinite time and random fluctuations of
nothingness, humans can evolve.
Said in simple terms, given enough time, the human species
discredit Darwinian Evolution.
Jojo
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From:
Axil Axil
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 1:17
AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of
Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
The genome of an organism is more
:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
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The genome of an organism is more complex and adaptive then the
creationist’s arguments assume and are embodied
more ambiguity.
So, I'll leave it at this for now.
Jojo
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From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 4:05 AM
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7. The change or trait must
it, the difference
will be clearer and I would have answered your contention below.
Jojo
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From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 6:44 AM
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Human DNA
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
Panspermia releases evolution from the timeframe restrictions that earth
places on it; That is the time frame for the evolution of life as beeing
restricted only to the time
fallacious than Darwinian
Evolution.
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From:
Axil Axil
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 3:09
AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of
Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
From first
principles of infinite time
afford to naively
say that every evolution we see is due to Darwinian Evolution process.
Jojo
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic
JoJo wrote:
It won't be long now when we will have the ability to very rapidly and
cheaply sequence each and every DNA for all animals and plants.
Already here.
http://www.nanoporetech.com/news/press-releases/view/39
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From: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2012 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
Yes, this may be true, but I think the basic question you need to answer is:
Does this process add information
of species evolving from another species, ie. Darwinian Evolution.
Jojo
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*From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Saturday, August 04, 2012 8:04 AM
*Subject:* RE: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic
Le Aug 3, 2012 à 3:35 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com a écrit :
Till now, we have defined species based on their gross physical
characteristics. We now know that that approach is flawed and contributes
much to the confusion of the debate.
What you're describing is not much less than the
that it claims to be.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Fallacies of Darwinian Evolution - Basic Definitions
Le Aug 3, 2012 à 3:35 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com a écrit
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