On 2011-04-17 07:13, Peter Gluck wrote:
Grazie. a Vi prego- la seconda parte?
It was very well organized and had logical fluency...
Part 1:
http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/canale-tv.php?id=22918
Part 2:
http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/canale-tv.php?id=22919
Cheers,
S.A.
Thank you a lot! Here it became a bit diluted in my opinion.
Not a word about the Ni-H systems.
But very interesting it has to continue I hope.
Peter
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:59 AM, SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote:
> On 2011-04-17 07:13, Peter Gluck wrote:
>
>> Grazie. a Vi prego- la seconda parte?
>>
Thermometers do work, but ...
E-Cat tests remind me the kid that, to skip school, is claiming to be sick
after he put the thermometer in the tea cup :)
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> A hospital: "Doctor, this patient seems to have a high fever. It is
> registering 40°C. T
E-cat tests were performed in Italy so heating a big pot of spaghetti would
better fit with local custom
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
> Rossi should build a special purpose Ecat so that
> Richard Garwin can heat his cup of tea. ;-)
>
>
> "I require that you be able to mak
This is excellent news! For about a year now, I have been urging Rossi to
place some reactors in academic laboratories. I think they have a lot to
offer him. They have instruments and skills he lacks, and they can give him
a measure of credibility. It would be the opposite of "street-cred"
(street-
prof. Alberto Carpinteri explains some interesting things how fission
and fusion by piezonuclear has affected the Crust isotopic abundance.
He is convinced that piezonuclear is equivalent to LENR with high
pressure (aka nano powders) and that could be a reason of isotopic
distribution of Cu in E-ca
next time they can connect an espesso machine. Everyone will enjoy a
great coffee: the little metallic flawor from Cu should give a great
result ;-)
mic
2011/4/17 Jones Beene :
> Hey Alan,
>
> All this talk about ways to fake the Rossi experiment got me to thinking
> about a clever way which may
Espresso is my suggestion, but they have to make E-cat work with
pressures up tu 20bar.
2011/4/17 Andrea Selva :
> E-cat tests were performed in Italy so heating a big pot of spaghetti would
> better fit with local custom
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
>>
>> Rossi shoul
Peter Gluck wrote:
> Not a word about the Ni-H systems.
> But very interesting it has to continue I hope.
>
Is there no mention of Rossi? That's ungracious. He is the reason they have
gained credibility with the public, and they are being interviewed on TV.
- Jed
For Park, Garwin and the others I would recommend a nice hot Japanese bath,
in an old fashioned iron tub called a "Goenmon-buro." That's named after the
famous 16th century thief Goenmon. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishikawa_Goemon
They should consider using it the way they did for its name
Meant Go-emon 石川五右衛門
- Jed
I know well- Roberto, Emilio and Francesco, had no opportunity to met prof
Yogendra Sristava. And prof Carpinteri who was a pleasant revelation to me
too. The ideas of geofusion, fracture fusion, piezowhatever have circulated
even in the first year of Cold Fusion, mainly by Russian scientist (see
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> This is excellent news!
>
>
I am also very happy about this. First, because it indicates that Andrea
Rossi will complete his mission. Secondly, being a Swede and having been
studying at both the University of Uppsala and the University of Sto
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> For Park, Garwin and the others I would recommend a nice hot Japanese bath,
> in an old fashioned iron tub called a "Goenmon-buro." That's named after the
> famous 16th century thief Goenmon. See:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishikawa_Goemon
In the category of clear water-based liquids which burn cleanly enough to be
used indoors, and which could be confused with water in a testing
arrangement (since it would be so unexpected as the 'trick' used to pull-off
the deception) - there are several choices.
These are miscible and with 40
Jones Beene wrote:
In the category of clear water-based liquids which burn cleanly enough to
> be used indoors, and which could be confused with water in a testing
> arrangement (since it would be so unexpected as the ‘trick’ used to pull-off
> the deception) - there are several choices.
>
How
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> He said he did not have time for academic scientists.
I'm sure he was thinking of US adademia, rife with deception, back
stabbing and outright fraud.
Can you imagine MIT, bastion of hot fusion, testing an ECat objectively?
T
Considerably less than the $100 million Euros that a Greek investor might be
willing to advance ..
From: Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote:
In the category of clear water-based liquids which burn cleanly enough to be
used indoors, and which could be confused with water in a testing
arr
On 2011-04-17 15:15, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Is there no mention of Rossi? That's ungracious. He is the reason they
have gained credibility with the public, and they are being interviewed
on TV.
There was absolutely no mention of him, but from what I've read around
it appears this was due to an a
BTW - calculations based on heat content can be thrown out the window with
peroxide blends, which produce cold steam with less energy than seems
physically possible .
Check out the video of a brave German - crossing the English channel by air
- using a few kilos of peroxide
http://www.youtu
It shouldn't need to be continually fed new fuel. Once the Cathode is loaded
there is enough fuel present to fuel it for many years at this small level of
energy generation---this is part of why this cannot be fusion, but is likely to
be ZPE as the time axes of atoms in the small cavities shrin
Jones Beene wrote:
Considerably less than the $100 million Euros that a Greek investor might
> be willing to advance ….
>
Ha, ha. And how would this work now that they are testing it in Rossi's
absence? I imagine they will notice. Surely the hidden tank will run out, or
they will try another so
First, dont get me wrong. I thought the Bologna demo was robust and
legitimate at the time, and still think it could have been strongly OU but
less so than appearances might indicate.
However, there is no real proof of any huge gain until better controls are
implemented. I agree fully with
> Jones Beene wrote:
>
> Considerably less than the $100 million Euros that a Greek
> investor might
> > be willing to advance ….
> >
>
> Ha, ha. And how would this work now that they are testing it in
> Rossi's absence? I imagine they will notice. Surely the hidden
> tank will run out, or they
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Wm. Scott Smith wrote:
> It shouldn't need to be continually fed new fuel.
I do not believe the ECat is. As I understand the goal, the user will
purchase a pressurized "cartridge" which will run the ECat for several
months at which time you will replace and recy
An independent Cat-E exciter is required exclusive of heat.
One of the assertions coming from Rossi is that the heat-output reaction
can be started/stopped at the flick of a switch. If so, then there needs to
be separate "exciter" (so to speak) exclusive of heat.
An alterative exciter that con
Items 5 and 7 are not fitting with the details that Rossi has stated, which is
that he ONLY receives
money when the plant is producing energy... so there is no "up-front cash".
Don't think that the
scenario is consistent with first-hand information...
5)At this time, Rossi is already ar
NiO is the answer
The use of hydrogen reduction of oxide creates abundant lattice defects in
NiO or any other oxide when exposed to hot hydrogen over an extended
timeframe.
Hydrogen based NiO reduction will create large numbers of O vacancies in the
surface of the NiO crystal.
The presence
Gaas poisoning is still important (decisive) because hydrogen must meet
active sites that are clean and free and not blocked by adsorbed gases.
Other I do not think that the Rossi method is a continuation of Arata's
nanoparticles system- see what writes Piantelli about "cluster"
nanostructures
Mark Iverson wrote:
Items 5 and 7 are not fitting with the details that Rossi has stated, which
> is that he ONLY receives money when the plant is producing energy... so
> there is no "up-front cash". Don't think that the scenario is consistent
> with first-hand information...
>
My impression
see the message "An independent Cat-E exciter is required exclusive of
heat."
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
> Let us generalize the discussion about the two catalysts involved in the
> Rossi reaction in terms of there function requirements to see if a reaction
> control mecha
Mark,
It goes without saying that this was a hasty fiction put together to show
how this demo (or any similar demo by anyone) could be partially faked (i.e.
"enhanced") in a way that could fit into a coherent story. and certainly was
not intended to be anything more than that. I should have pre
See the message "NiO is the answer"
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> Axil,
>
>
>
> Ø
>
> Ø Loading hydrogen into Rust does not produce nuclear derived heat.
>
>
>
> Correct – it produce iron and water. I do not see Fe2O3 specifically as
> being involved at all in Rossi.
>
You might be seriously onto something there...
next question: how to condition the powder to be optimally oxidized?
could it be as simple as baking in an air atmosphere somewhere between
600-1200C ?
(http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=15337365)
I am getting more and more sure that i can
Axil Axil wrote on Sun, 17 Apr 2011 10:49:25
An independent Cat-E exciter is required exclusive of heat.
Heat alone cannot be the factor that controls the reaction because the heat
from nuclear processes would interfere (add to) with the application of
control heat and result in a runaway melt
Again, I think you are really onto something here also!
did you read my comment from this morning?
(http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473&cpage=3#comment-33413)
I really want to know where the elements of the electric resistive
heater are mounted. Does anyone have definitive info about
Axil Axil wrote:
> An independent Cat-E exciter is required exclusive of heat.
>
> One of the assertions coming from Rossi is that the heat-output reaction
can be started/stopped at the flick of a switch. If so, then there needs to
be separate "exciter" (so to speak) exclusive of heat.
>
> An a
Dear Friends,
How many hydrogen peroxide explosion have you "seen"?
I remember 3, great risk to mimic fire with this stuff. iron is a good
catalyst for peroxide decomposition. May I ask you to read the MSDS
of this substance? Thanks!
Peter
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
the swedes indicate that the H2 was loaded without first purging the chamber.
Axil's hypothesis of the involvement of NiO further strengthens that
small quantities of air/oxygen in the chamber ought to be ok.
> prior to that it is gas unloaded active sites- all the gaseous competitors
> of hydrog
francis wrote:
.. I took this to mean the unit could produce it’s own electrical to operate
> the controls while I’ve seen other comments on here where people seem to
> indicate the reactors were working with no heating. Can someone clarify?
>
No, they said it can run with no control at all. No
You are right, or not?
a) the cleaning must be done prior to introducing hydogen read please patent
2010/058288
b) if AxilAxil's NiO hypothesis is real, then water will be formed in the
reaction space and at 400 C it will develop a considerable pressure.
I do not think that NiO is the key, excuse
using the estimate of 0.09 grams of hydrogen pressurized
into a 50cc chamber with
5cc occupied by 50g of nickel (at 8.8g/cc)
and 45cc unoccupied (for the hydrogen to fill)
with a starting pressure of ~24atm at 20C
the pressure will grow to ~64atm at 500C
atm deg K deg C
24.22 293
Peter,
An authority to contact for anyone interested in the safety issues would be
the "Swiss Rocket Man" - since he puts his life on the line with this stuff
daily. It is very dangerous at full strength but less so when diluted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Rossy
Notice his name i
From: Jed Rothwell
*
* In real life, this scenario cannot be squared with the fact that tests at
U. Bologna are continuing, and units will probably be delivered to
universities in Sweden.
That is why we have NDAs, and you can bet your bottom dollar that everyone
involved have signe
Jones Beene wrote:
> Ha, ha. And how would this work now that they are testing it in Rossi's
> absence? I imagine they will notice.
>
>
>
> JB: There will be no more public disclosures IMO.
>
Obviously if they find it is a fraud they will disclose that. They are not
going to let themselves be u
Jones Beene wrote:
>
> Ø In real life, this scenario cannot be squared with the fact that tests
> at U. Bologna are continuing, and units will probably be delivered to
> universities in Sweden.
>
>
>
> That is why we have NDAs, and you can bet your bottom dollar that everyone
> involved have sign
I agree that these are very relevant "what ifs", ad i also think
that there is a certain logic to the idea that the.
perhaps the reactor could continue to run and be controlled with no
electrical input to the resistors.
perhaps not.
i don't want to get too opinionated here until i build my thi
I wrote:
> Not at all. When the Swedish Professors find and document a robust COP of 4
>> instead of 30 they will be thrilled beyond words ! The prior test will be
>> written off as measurement error.
>>
>
> That's preposterous. A measurement error on that scale is out of the
> question.
>
I sup
From: Jed Rothwell
JR: In real life, this scenario cannot be squared with the fact that tests
at U. Bologna are continuing, and units will probably be delivered to
universities in Sweden.
JB: That is why we have NDAs, and you can bet your bottom dollar that
everyone involved have signed
The Japanese Zen-Tea Ceremony decended from the Chinese Tao Master 'Tsao-Tung'
whose
school was called simply 'Quiet Sitting' aka
contemplative-calmness-centeredness///yadda yadda.
?QUIET SITTNG/TEA & Tsao-Tung:
These days to be called 'Tsao-Tung' by anyone Taiwanese and or Mainland Chinese
If the waste is identical to the fuel, that means no reaction involving it
actually occurred, by definition. The material is at best merely a catalyst for
a reaction with other fuel and waste.
Sent from my iPhone.
On Apr 15, 2011, at 22:52, Axil Axil wrote:
> The scam status of the Ross
I'll look into setting up a wiki, which will be more convenient than passing
around a word document.
Sent from my iPhone.
I believe that when Rossi talks about using only milligrams of catalyst, he
is not making a mistake. The patent contains “a patent of interest section”
where a number of these patents address ion production, acceleration, and
their direction.
I believe that Rossi is ionizing NiO particles and fi
Hear hear!
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Charles Hope wrote:
> I'll look into setting up a wiki, which will be more convenient than
> passing around a word document.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
BTW, is this not a good place to set one up at?
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi's_Cold_Fusion_Energy_Catalyzer_(E-Cat):_Frequently_Asked_Questions
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
> Hear hear!
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Charles Hope <
> l
I have begun to author a webspace at ahead.com:
http://ahead.com/begreencc/ecatrossi
it is a bit more visual and zoomable than a wiki... although not as
searchable for the purely textual components...
please contact me if you would like to collaborate / contribute...
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 23:2
Jones Beene wrote:
> JB: When the Swedish Professors find and document a robust COP of 4 instead
> of 30 they will be thrilled beyond words ! The prior test will be written
> off as measurement error.
>
>
>
> JR: That's preposterous. A measurement error on that scale is out of the
> question.
>
>From Jay:
> Axil, please continue posting, your comments are appreciated.
I second that.
> As I understand, this forum exists only for sharing information and ideas;
> personal comments should not be posted nor ever considered.
Actually... keep in mind that "Personal comments" are often poste
On 04/16/2011 04:11 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
>
> I still see no documentation of calorimetry techniques applied. Did I
> miss something?
Horace, I don't understand what you're saying here.
The first of the public demos used flow calorimetry: Known flow rate,
and known temperature rise, gives
Flash is required?!
Sent from my iPhone.
On Apr 17, 2011, at 17:36, ".:.gotjosh" wrote:
> I have begun to author a webspace at ahead.com:
> http://ahead.com/begreencc/ecatrossi
>
> it is a bit more visual and zoomable than a wiki... although not as
> searchable for the purely textual componen
If everyone wants to start keeping our list there, on a new page, that would be
great. If there is no concern about their policies, I suggest it.
Sent from my iPhone.
On Apr 17, 2011, at 17:35, Esa Ruoho wrote:
> BTW, is this not a good place to set one up at?
> http://www.peswiki.com/in
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> In particular, the input water
> was tap water, with no temperature control, with a very low initial
> temperature, and the temp was measured only at the start and end of the
> run, allowing the possibility that the input temperature varied by some
> amount during th
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_A._Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Generator:Rossi%27s_Hints
If anyone wants to send me the current state of the current article via
email, I'll just post it there and let's get a move on. It surely is at
least a good idea to have it related to the already-exist
From: Jed Rothwell
* Okay, so in the Feb. 10 test, input was 80 W and output was not 16 kW or
130 kW but 320 W (4 times input)
It is a mistake to conflate the two tests. Both have their own separate
problems. This is not new to Jed, and there is no reason to repeat the
details of the pro
Jones Beene wrote:
Of course, these calculations will of necessity be based on the presumed
> surface area of a stainless steel inner reactor, as Rossi assures us is
> there - and the flow rate of the liquid.
>
And how do you know what the shape is, or surface area? Where was this
reported?
- J
>
> When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.
>
> Electric repulsion at the atomic scale might have the characteristics of a
> thixotropic liquid.
>
> Slam like charges together and they resist intensely. Bring the
> charges together slowly and the resistance diminishes.
>
When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.
Electric repulsion at the atomic scale might have the characteristics of a
non-newtonian (thixotropic) liquid.
Slam like charges together and they resist intensely. Bring the
charges together slowly and the resistance diminishes.
(e.g
Jones:
I know we're all a bit frustrated by the way details have come out, and what
seems like some
contradictory statements, but it is what it is. What's that saying about not
wasting time on things
you cannot change... you're one of the more knowledgeable ones on this forum
and if you choos
RE: Yves Rossy, the Jet Man.
Of all the people that would have the exact same date of birth, it had to be
someone like him.
-Mark
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From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:39 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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More than that, is there a way to waste my waist, or is that another issue?
/snip
Yes your waste extends to the whole person.
I think the wiki needs a REALLY BIG BANNER at the top explaining that nickel
powder is toxic and
hydrogen gas is highly combustible...
-Mark
_
From: Esa Ruoho [mailto:esaru...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 3:35 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A wiki for compiling
Thank you for this interesting information. But even Rossy will not try to
use H2O2 as fake energy source of heat in Rossi's E-cat, I bet.
Peter
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> RE: Yves Rossy, the Jet Man.
> Of all the people that would have the exact same date of birth,
Bill Beatty read the posts and ban us both
Frank Znidarsic and Jones Bennie for a period of 19 years.
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More than that, is there a way to waste my w
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