On 23/01/2012 6:14 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Shaun, you are in error. I have examined your pictures and like Mary, I
do not see the significance of the goop you are referring to. BUT ...
For the sake of discussion, I accept your premise that the goop was
placed there so that Tout can be higher than
Shaun please note also how far from the heat exchanger was placed the Tin
probe.
Even before the flow meter! Why ?
2012/1/23 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
On 23/01/2012 6:14 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Shaun, you are in error. I have examined your pictures and like Mary, I
do not see the
Shaun sez:
Via the RFG leads which could be a high DC voltage with a small AC ripple.
This would show up on a AC amp meter as a small current with the DC supplying
the secret heating.
This job could be split between the Small Blue Box (SBB) AC heater excitation.
It could also generate a DC
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Thank you Susan for triggering a major point about the so-called skeptics,
now obviously fitting the definition of ‘trolls’, that have been spewing
their BS for that last several days…
Trolls? Really?
I think it makes sense to migrate this mailing list into a forum format instead
of this mailing list. Forums are much easier to use and reply to than this
mailing list.
Maybe somebody is willing to start a forum and maybe people will migrate to
that forum to escape the recent flurry of
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.comwrote:
Mark why are you so defensive of Rossi? Do you have skin in this game?
I bet he's like Jed. He so badly wants Rossi and Defkalion to be real, he
gets his feelings hurt when anyone suggests they may in fact be
Interesting work.
as far as I know the biggest problem to stabilize, even if we have a
negative feed back, will be to compensate intrinsic delay,
like the thermal delay... in nuclear reactor early theory ignored delayed
neutrons, and in theory it would have exploded... hopefully nature was
nice,
Hello
I could start a forum on my hosting, my time is limited though, so I would need
to rely on moderators
And some help..
Marten
Skickat från min HTC
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Från: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com
Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Rubrik: [Vo]:Migrate Vortex-l to a Forum format.
Do you think others have not thought of this before? The RFG could not have
imparted a power anywhere close to 10Kw. And if the SBB was supplying DC
current at all, that power would still have been registered on the AC supply
line. 10Kw of power is not something you can hide easily.
What
Mary,
Certain people are not 'suggesting', Mary, they are STATING it as FACT.
That is what I object to; do you even know the difference???
You have made similar speculative statements before about me and I have
thoroughly shown how the FACTS show differently, and yet you repeat your
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012, Shaun Taylor wrote:
Oh so now Vortex is only a PRO Rossi discussion group?
Yes. Exactly.
Now you're getting it.
What part of BIG NASTY NEST OF 'TRUE BELIEVERS' didn't you understand?
You apparently haven't read the forum rules.
Is there ANY reason I shouldn't ban
Shaun,
You do realize that the RFG was not used in the first several E-Cat demos,
aren't you? Oh, that's right, how could you??? Since you just swooped in and
started barfing your accusations and speculations all over the place before
doing your homework! Not unlike Mary, but at least she is a
I think it would benefit everyone if all members were limited to 4 or
5 posts per day.
harry
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
I think it makes sense to migrate this mailing list into a
What if the AC wall socket itself were rigged to supply the DC with a
slight AC ripple
If that were so, the AC voltmeter attached across the outlet would have
registered a low value close to zero, since a voltmeter set to measure AC RMS
values would not read a DC voltage.
Like I said, this
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012, Mary Yugo wrote:
It is absolutely inane to ask critics to read the literature. You think
we have nothing better to do than to spend time with unlimited quantities
of inadequate and difficult to understand papers?
Certainty that LENR critics should be ignorant of LENR
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012, Dusty Bradshaw wrote:
Some of us doubters would rather unsubscribe but since this is like
Hotel California, welp.. Also, didn't know this was a religion here,
worshipping at the altar of fringe science? Is this a cult or science,
and where can I get off this train?
How
William,
Is it possible, in the smartlist software, to put a footer on each
message, containing pointers to the discussion rules and instructions
on how to leave? That will help those not taking time to read before
writing on how to leave this mailing list, without wasting others'
time.
Why
Vtx thoughtcriminals. Scoffing and anti-fringe behavior, but didn't
leave in disgust as suggested. Ungood! Time for Periodic Cleansing.
removed:
Mary Yugo
effwivakeef
Dusty Bradshaw
Shaun Taylor
Vortex traffic temporarily suspended. Getting everyone's attention.
I'll leave
Bill,
There are many new-comers to the Collective due to vortex-l being mentioned
on one or more of the websites covering the whole Rossi/E-Cat fiasco... and
because of that, there have been numerous requests for references, which of
course Vorts, and mostly Jed, have kindly provided links. So
Shaun, I suggest you take a month to read ALL the postings since last
January, and you'll realize how asinine your statement is -- you are
completely ignorant of just how much rational debate has gone on about Rossi
and the demos. This forum had noticed, and discussed and debated ad naseum,
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012, William Beaty wrote:
Vortex traffic temporarily suspended. Getting everyone's attention.
OK, back on.
I'll leave subscribe turned off for weeks/months, unsubscribe remains
active. Email me directly for problems, suggestions.
(( ( ( ( ((O)
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-01-23_Independent_Testing_on_Hyperion_Reactors.pdf
Interesting to say the least. Who will take up the challenge?
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1921
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
A BIG THANK YOU Bill!
Mark Jordan
On 23-Jan-12 07:48, William Beaty wrote:
Vtx thoughtcriminals. Scoffing and anti-fringe behavior, but didn't
leave in disgust as suggested. Ungood! Time for Periodic Cleansing.
removed:
Mary Yugo
effwivakeef
Dusty Bradshaw
Shaun
From B. Beaty
Vortex traffic temporarily suspended. Getting everyone's attention.
OK, back on.
Thank you for your recent cleaning efforts, Bill.
Much appreciated!
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:20 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Thank you for your recent cleaning efforts, Bill.
I love watching the water vortex after pushing the handle.
T
This is great, I just cleaned my inbox from about 700 unread messages. I
hope that we will get more quality and less quantity in near future.
If someone is too active and produces too little meaningful content, could
we issue a warning system, that unless a poster reduces his/her
posting
Phew, I made it.
I'll come clean.
I am an LENR believer
A Rossi Sceptic (hopefully he will hire some PR help and in the end be
recognized for what he has discovered)
A Defkalion hopeful - glad to hear they have opened up independent testing.
That should get widespread recognition of the
Hi Jouni,
Don’t know if the software, which is quite old, can do what you request,
however, when the Collective’s toilet gets backed up with turds, Mr. Bill
(Beaty) comes in to unplug and flush the toilet… so, it should last for awhile.
-Mark
From: Jouni Valkonen
Speaking of Regularly Scheduled Programming, here's one from Ski-Fi channel!
To my surprise, the troll, Eff Wivakeef, before he was banned, posted
something that I personally found fascinating and transformational. Well.
let me try to explain what I mean by transformational.
* * * Warning!
ChemE,
I think most of us have a healthy skepticism, especially when it comes to
Rossi, and that is always in the back of our minds, but the whole purpose is
to keep an open-mind, ask ourselves 'what if.' and run with that to see
where is leads. engage in discussions, see things from different
Hey gang!! I'd like to throw this question around for discussion. I have been
lurking here for a while and decided to subsribe recently. The question I
would like the collective to discuss is?
What would it take to bring Rossi-like reactors to the market? How much mullah
needs to be
If we could pick any team in the world to do this testing, who would you
trust?
Who would be the Super Star team of scientists, skeptics and journalists
who would be the most credible?
On Jan 23, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote:
Steorn had done something similar. But their testing dragged on and on ad
infinitum.
I would say teams from different universities, i.e. academia would make
good candidates.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Douglas Hill hil...@lemoyne.edu wrote:
If we could pick any team in the world to do
Now that those pesky, annoying trolls have been flushed. oh, better be
careful since my SO is of Scandanavian descent, and just loves the little
buggers.. We can get back to the fun stuff!
New class of electron interactions in quantum systems
Hello Steven V. Johnson,
Wow ! I ended my post this morning at 10:58 AM with the phrase Woo
Woo Big Time, not knowing you would be using the phrase woo woo in
your fine effort to tactfully and playfully expand and deepen the
range of discourse here, and not knowing that 4 skeptics had been
A few thoughts come to mind.
I think this forum can put together a team that would do a great job of
testing.
I know who would NOT be a good choice:
- NOT a university that has any involvement with hot fusion, CERN, etc.
- NOT a govt agency; can't trust them to be honest, or to do it
Hello to the collective: I hope it is not too soon to begin discussions that
are of the heavy nature. We will be better off now with a reduction in the
number of extraneous posts unless the guilty parties decide to change names and
reappear.
Back to work:
The intrinsic delay of the
Orion,
Hopefully my comment is not understood as trolling
but as polite criticism.
It is nice to have imagination and to think about things that are
considered by main stream science as impossible. I wish more professional
scientists could do that (some do and they wait until they come close
Need publicity as well as trained people to test it. There are many qualified
persons to set up the test. I suggest John Stossel to video the testing and
edit to use in his show.
- Original Message -
From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January
I think the best would be an engineer- salesman like the one who had
installed my home heater BOSCH 3000W plus a technician specialized
in radioactivity measurements for an environment protection State
authorithy.
A good generator needs NO geniuses to confirm that it works well, I think.
On Tue,
I found this on peswiki:
By the way, speaking of timing and synchronicity, as I was
workinghttp://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Hidro_--_Water_Pressures_Energy_Conversion_(WAPEC)#
on
this page, about to get on a plane coming back from the Next Gen
Expohttp://next-gen-expo.com/ in
Florida, Glen
Steven,
what's the difference between those 'viruses' and the MEMES postulated by
Richard Dawkins- see Memetics?
Peter
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.comwrote:
Orion,
Hopefully my comment is not understood as trolling
but as polite criticism.
It
The Hydro machine has masses moving in a closed path in a gravitational
field so the total energy balance is zero.
When you consider the motion of the gas in and out of the chambers, that
unavoidably will have some friction and losses, then the system is going to
have a negative energy balance.
I think this list- if it happens to be true, means that more than 50,000
people want to use an E-cat mainly for heating. What more?
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:15 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1921
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
--
Dr.
Hi Giovanni Santostasi,
buoyant perpetual motion --
the ever effervescing fluctuations of the quantum space-time foam --
our universe bubble as an expanding geometic instability from a minute
quantum fluctuation --
floating? in something?
so the biggest thing we see is the smallest thing we
Rick,
There is not a dark side of the moon
it is misnomer. It should be called the non visible (from earth) side of
the moon. The sun shines on that side as it shines on any other part of the
moon. In fact it is the only lighted side when the moon is between the sun
and the earth for example.
Do you guys know about Iron Sky?
It does have themes interesting to this group as alternative energy
sources, anti-gravity and so on. It is a movie rendition of the well known
meme that Nazi escaped to the moon at the end of the second world war. It
is should be a pretty entertaining movie I
There is no dark side of the moon, really. Matter of fact it's all dark.
Yes, it is a misnomer, it is the side that is away from the earth and it is
never seen from the earth, but it receive exactly the same amount of light
than the other side does (over a full orbit of the moon around the earth).
The moon is locked tidally with the earth in such way that one orbit
since defkalion feel that the COP is above 20, no need to have a scientist.
moreover scientist are easy to manipulate (see the books of William
Broad, *Nicholas
Wade)*, so good old tricky engineer would be better.
if you are really paranoid, a good magician/prestidigitator could be a
consultant.
Thanks Bill
Although I'm new to this mailing list and haven't contributed
much, I still enjoy reading the opinions, ideas and news from
those more knowledgeable then myself. I must confess that I'm here
mainly for the Rossi / LENR threads though.
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