IMHO grain size and geometry of these other alloys as powders will have a
major effect on their LENR activity.
Fran
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 5:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
From:
Bob,
Much discussion regarding micro “tubule” geometry of Rossi powders
leads many of us to consider the hair like protrusions as forming nano geometry
between the grains as they pack to form a bulk powder.
Fran
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From: Jones Beene
From: Roarty, Francis X
Bob,
Much discussion regarding micro “tubule” geometry of
Rossi powders leads many of us to consider the hair like protrusions as
forming nano geometry between the grains as they pack to form a bulk powder.
morphing through some kind of process of entropy
I think you are right, Vacuum = Entropy = Uncertainty!
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Does anyone have the citation for Rossi's
As Eric realizes, this is a critical issue for anyone wanting to replicated
Rossi.
In fact, the material shown in the previous image, could indeed be called
“micron sized” and one would not be dishonest. However the importance of hollow
nickel tube could be the sine qua non of the Rossi
Rossi has stated that he starts with 10 micron sized particles (since
identified as a nickel powder produced from the carbonyl process), adds a
catalyst (widely believed to be a nanopowder of some kind), and processes
the mix in a way that leads to amplified tubercles on the surface.
A search of
Ah. tubercles instead of tubules . Thanks Bob
From: Bob Higgins
Rossi has stated that he starts with 10 micron sized particles (since
identified as a nickel powder produced from the carbonyl process), adds a
catalyst (widely believed to be a nanopowder of some kind), and processes
the
Most everyone who has worked in an industrial setting is probably familiar
with the lost wax process for fine detail casting of molten metal. Wiki has
an entry.
Based on extending or commercializing the (presumed) concept which is shown
in the Enculescu paper, there is very likely to be a version
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Cluj, Romania
Eric--
Your bring up some interesting questions about the Rossi reactor. The
information I have included come from Rossi and Focardi's international patent
application noted below.
1. Is Rossi separating Ni isotopes for the Ni he uses in the reactor?
This would be expensive. The natural
Bob--Bob Cook here
Your comments are revealing. I believe quantum systems that are big enough to
handle the energy fractionation that Hagelstein identifies in his lectures are
a requirement for any solid state nuclear reaction. A thermal conductor to get
the heat out is also necessary.
Fran--
I agree fully.
Bob Cook
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Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 5:36 AM
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IMHO grain size and geometry of these other alloys as powders will
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I believe that some fractionation must be taking place, but not to phonons.
Phonons are contra-indicated by the experimental evidence. Phonons
dissipate rapidly to heat with a decay constant that is based on the
acoustic velocity. This means that the temperature will be extremely high
near the
Bob and Eric, the issue of transmutation is basic to understanding
LENR. First of all, transmutation has a very high barrier requiring an
explanation of how this can be overcome. Second, the resulting energy
has to be dissipated in ways known to be possible. I propose the
hydrogen fusion
Agreed. The issue of a nearly complete lack of transmutation in many types
of Ni-H is revealing. It narrows the range of possible energetic reactions
which are possible, given that everything else probably conforms to normal
physics.
In some experiments (Piantelli) has shown far more
Ed--
One simple question--In all the Ni-H systems has there been a good evaluation
of the residuel radioactivity?
What do you mean by fragmentation and Ni fission? For example, what are
possible fission products? Lighter isotopes which are radioactively stable? Is
the fission process
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Does anyone have the citation for Rossi’s nickel lattice having “tubules”?
Cannot find it. But check this out.
Yes, please. If anyone has a reference to Rossi using nickel with
tubules, nanotubules, nanohairs, etc.,
So we all know -- or at least we _should_ all know -- about Nature's
rejection of Oriani's paper reporting reproduction of the FPE which it did
despite its own peer review approving the paper.
Its justification was that it flew in the face of theory and that other
labs hadn't reproduced it.
Ed--Bob Cook here--
Another question is if D is formed in the Ni-H system as you propose, why not
the generation of He-4 as in the Pd system without the nasty fragmentation or
fission of the Ni?
The key to controlling the Rossi process maybe controlling the formation of D.
The energy
This is in Italian so you may have to run it through a translator.
http://gsvit.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/esperimento-di-verifica-della-compress
ione-elettrochimica-dellidrogeno-utilizzando-un-catodo-di-palladio-aggiornam
ento-del-4-gennaio-2014/
Celani had published earlier that hydrogen could
It is often said that people cannot predict future technology, even a few
decades in advance. Some people cannot, but others can. Here is something
Arthur Clarke wrote in 1972. He and others predicted the Internet and many
of its ramifications.
. . . It will be a future in which men do much less
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From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:MIT Course Day 5 -- NiH Systems
Bob and Eric, the issue of transmutation is basic to understanding LENR.
First of all,
Jed--
Thanks for the observations of Clarke--its is an optimistic observation as are
many regarding LENR. The pessimistic ones don't seem to be coming up as often.
Bob --an old optimist
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday,
http://www.google/patents/US4489049
In 1982 - several years before PF made the big splash, scientists working
under US Navy contracts filed for what became US 4489049 for Solid state
hydrogen pumping and storage material.
Abstract: A solid-state hydrogen storage system. A layer of an amorphous
A 1968 view of future communications
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssOELouwBDI
(note the gender stereotype - she buys, he pays)
A 1976 highway as envisioned in 1956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx6keHpeYak
Harry
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
RAR are progressing with the construction of their second gravity
engine and posted four new photos today.
Presumably they have now had some operating experience of the first
model yet continue to build the second one.
http://www.rarenergia.com.br/gilman%20oficial%2019%20eng.JPG
ref
There was a throw-away line in McKubre's interview with Sterling Allen -- he
pointed across the lab and said he was doing a fundamental experiment on phonon
interactions with Hagelstein. Maybe there'll be some real data points.
Is there an explanation somewhere of how this machine is supposed to work?
Who's funding the projects?
[m]
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:29 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
RAR are progressing with the construction of their second gravity
engine and posted four new photos today.
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
A 1968 view of future communications
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssOELouwBDI
(note the gender stereotype - she buys, he pays)
They got the basic ideas right, but the mechanics wrong. You would think
that by 1968 people would realize that video text
On Feb 7, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
Ed--
One simple question--In all the Ni-H systems has there been a good
evaluation of the residuel radioactivity?
Bob, evidence shows that when Pd or Ni experience transmutation, the
resulting nucleus breaks into two parts. These two parts
Mark,
Click on the second link.
Starting at image #53 (and later) there are some diagrams. If you can
understand how it works from those, or from the patent, please let me
know ;-)
It is the brainchild of RAR Energia and funded by them
On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
Ed--Bob Cook here--
Another question is if D is formed in the Ni-H system as you
propose, why not the generation of He-4 as in the Pd system without
the nasty fragmentation or fission of the Ni?
That answer is too complicated to explain here.
It is wonderful in a way, but why not build a desktop version? Even if it
produces only milliwatts excess, if it can overcome friction and keep going
it will convince everyone.
After the superconducting supercollider was abandoned, some Young Turk
physicists began to rethink the whole idea. I
I wrote:
It is wonderful in a way, but why not build a desktop version? Even if it
produces only milliwatts excess, if it can overcome friction and keep going
it will convince everyone.
Maybe it can't overcome friction? Maybe the gadget resembles a Tokamak, as
in: You can't make a small one
Dear Peter,
I like your letter.
I am glad Athena has been consulting with you.
The problem is that politics is involved.
I have tried, for almost as long as you have done work in different areas,
to move that hindrance out of the way.
However, it seems as if when an organization (in a very
Jed wrote:
It is wonderful in a way, but why not build a desktop version? Even if
it produces only milliwatts excess, if it can overcome friction and keep
going it will convince everyone.
They claimed they had a small model working first. I think you need
something bigger to be believed and
Some years ago I was on a Church walk and got chatting with an elderly
gentleman from the Church and I found that he had been a metallergist,
so we got to talking about LENR. It turned out that in the 50's he had
been working on a project that involved hydrogen and palladium and
noticed a
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
They claimed they had a small model working first. I think you need
something bigger to be believed and attract attention.
Okay, but surely not THIS big!
There are several small magnet motors that the inventors claim work but
no one believes
Jed wrote:
Okay, but surely not THIS big!
Ah, but you missed the bit about getting attention.
AA There are several small magnet motors that the inventors claim
work but no one believes them.
Many people would believe them if they would perform a proper
demonstration. It is not difficult
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
Let it run for a long time on a glass table.
There is always some claim. It has a battery hidden in it etc.
It is easy to eliminate that objection. Weigh the entire device and compute
how much energy it could hold if the entire device is a battery.
Ed--Bob Cook here
Thanks for you response. I need a little more time to think about your ideas.
I need to look at the respective products you identify and the likely other
respective fission pieces to see if I agree with what you say makes sense.
Just roughly thinking, I would expect a
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
And why do they make laser fusion gadgets so huge?
Because only the big ones cost billions of dollars.
Eric
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:
Rossi has stated that he starts with 10 micron sized particles (since
identified as a nickel powder produced from the carbonyl process), adds a
catalyst (widely believed to be a nanopowder of some kind), and processes
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
1. Is Rossi separating Ni isotopes for the Ni he uses in the reactor?
This would be expensive.
I can only imagine. I'm not sure how one would go about enriching select
isotopes of nickel. Perhaps they have sufficiently
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Agreed. The issue of a “nearly complete lack” of transmutation in many
types of Ni-H is revealing.
Rossi has claimed this:
THE AMOUNT OF COPPER WE FIND AFTER 6 MONTHS OF OPERATION IS OF ORDERS OF
MAGNITUDE MORE THAT THE
Ed--Bob Cook here
Spin states of a quantum system reflect the angular momentum of the system and
hence the energy associated with that angular momentum. High spin quantum
numbers reflect the higher energy of the system. The allowable states are
quantized. In magnetic fields the direction of
Jones-- Bob Cook here--
I doubt there was no connection. I would guess the work at SPAWAR became a
black project. LENR clearly has potential for ship propulsion and other
high energy density fuel needs in the Navy.
Bob Cook
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From: Jones Beene
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
NO copper isotopes are formed. The detected copper has normal isotopic
composition, which is not possible to produce from transmutation. I suspect
copper results from contamination by materials in the cell.
You may
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Even adding a p to Ni requires about 6 MeV be dissipated. I know of no
example of this much energy being transferred by any kind of coupling
mechanism. Do you?
That is the question that once answered will win someone
http://pesn.com/2012/11/19/9602225_Steven_Jones_replica--Pons_and_Fleischman
n_XS_Heat_not_from_fusion/StevenJonesSeminarAtUnivMissouriOct2012.pdf
This is a perspective which goes back before PF - some on Vortex will not
like to revisit.
The most interesting finding is the RF signature - which is
The link does not work for me.
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2014 11:53 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Not from Fusion paper by Steven Jones
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
Jones-- Bob Cook here--
I doubt there was no connection. I would guess the work at SPAWAR became a
black project. LENR clearly has potential for ship propulsion and other
high energy density fuel needs in the Navy.
Bob,
Yes - that is my feeling as
Yes Rossi did promote Ni-Cu at one time, but it is not his current spiel.
AFAIK – since the death of Focardi, Rossi no longer strongly promotes any
theory for gain - but it may still be on his blog. Kullander also admitted
the copper found was of natural isotope distribution.
Copper is well-known
You may have the plain text truncation problem.
If you are using plain text: Instead of clicking - copy this entire string
all the way to pdf and paste it in the address bar
http://pesn.com/2012/11/19/9602225_Steven_Jones_replica--Pons_and_Fleischman
Bob, I like your approach.
In june I whimsically imagined all the resulting energy of fusion being
transformed into He with linear momentum. This would preserve conservation
energy but violate conservation of momentum. At the time it did not occur
to me that the energy could be transformed into
Eric--Bob Cook here--
It may be that laser radiation at selected frequencies could activate organic
Ni compounds selectively based on the mass of the Ni isotope. The activation
may be ionization or other molecular changes to increase or decrease solubility
and the opportunity for separation.
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
I think you have the decay scheme for Ni-59 wrong. It has a 76,000 year
half life and decays by electron capture as you said.
It's good that you seem to know your way around these nuclear transitions.
That makes you and
I wrote:
I'm thinking of this reaction:
https://www-nds.iaea.org/exfor/servlet/X4sSearch5?reacc=28-NI-62(P%2CG)29-CU-63%2C%2CSIG
Sorry, that should have been:
https://www-nds.iaea.org/exfor/servlet/X4sSearch5?reacc=28-NI-58(P%2CG)29-CU-59%2C%2CSIG
Eric
Eric--
I am looking at the Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory, Chart of the Nuclides,
Thirteenth Addition Revised as of July 1983. This chart does not include
proton capture cross sections. I do not believe I have seen proton capture
cross sections for any isotopes. The cross section would
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, the person you want to convince is Terry Blanton. He is our
resident expert in magnetic motors. He says he looked at some of them
closely and found they did not work.
Skeptical by experience. We tested
Eric--Bob here
I looked at the link and have now seen a list of cross sections for the Ni-59,
P reaction. I must study the protocol for measuring the specified cross
sections to understand the sig and dsig data. Off hand I do not understand
these labels. My guess is that the energies listed
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
http://pesn.com/2012/11/19/9602225_Steven_Jones_replica--Pons_and_Fleischman
n_XS_Heat_not_from_fusion/StevenJonesSeminarAtUnivMissouriOct2012.pdf
This is a perspective which goes back before PF - some on Vortex will not
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