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Beene wrote: "If anyone is still operating under the illusion that there was valid thermal gain at Lugano, please re-educate yourself via the authoritative work of Thomas Clarke." I agree the Lugano report failed in calibration. I don't take Clarke's analysis as gospel. He makes a number of

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Jack Cole wrote: > I agree with all you say except thinking the first Levi test was good. It > was better, but there was no adequate calibration performed. As such, it > was wholly inadequate. > I agree. - Jed

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Jed, I agree with all you say except thinking the first Levi test was good. It was better, but there was no adequate calibration performed. As such, it was wholly inadequate. That is the common problematic thread throughout every ecat test. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016, 5:03 PM Jed Rothwell

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Russ George wrote: What a naïve specious comment “an engineer will lose his license” the > reality is that license revocations very very rarely happen. > However rare it may be, that is the point of issuing licenses. It is a method of guaranteeing the work is done

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The re-read it. Apparently you missed the part about using unnecessary profanity to label an honest observation by someone you disagree with. From: Russ George Here’s a good paper on Anti-Social behavior on the internet… should be required reading for those of us with the obvious

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Russ George sounds like the troll in this exchange. Rossi’s petulant and child-like bursts of anger are well-documented… From: Russ George Your branding of Rossi by saying ‘his burst of anger’ is just plain bullshit. By definition of all the standards in what a Troll does that is a

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:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC. Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com <mailto:lenn...@thornros.com> > wrote: Once again it is not judging about how well it worked for you.

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On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > > >- Rossi is sure that IH have transferred trade secrets to Brillouin. > > Worse. I believe Industrial Heat and Magic have transferred trade secrets to the Chinese. And that the Chinese are already in production

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-communication/ Vortex needs to clean up its act and stop the trolling. From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 9:27 AM To: John Milstone Subject: Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC. The document

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The document says IH raised 50 million from investors. That's not a lot considering the importance of the invention. It could be that, due skepticism, they couldn't reach the full 90 million, and couldn't fulfill their part. Or at least they did, but no so much to do anything useful on a large

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is that reaction to their bile is what they seek, any reaction. Get a life. Do a real experiment. From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial

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I agree; the $10 million was paid. Sorry for the confusion. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Craig Haynie > wrote: > >> See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow. >> >>

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On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Craig Haynie wrote: > See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow. > > > http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf > > > That's just saying it went

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Craig Haynie wrote: See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow. > > > http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf > > I think this means the $10 million was held in escrow until Rossi

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See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow. http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > "I think the fight is over the $10

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Lennart Thornros wrote: Once again it is not judging about how well it worked for you. Just saying > that there is no guarantee coming from being licensed. > Yes, there is an explicit guarantee. If a licensed HVAC engineer publishes an evaluation with a mistake, he will

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Jed, I think you are correct in who would be more qualified in one regard; experience and training is valuable if you want really objective scientific measures. However, in the real world it is a number of factors involved. We just do not have the full picture to evaluate what would have been a

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Alain Sepeda wrote: about Penon "non independence", except having an italian name and having > done a previous test, is there any relationship established with rossi > predating the Ferrara test ? > They have been working together for many years. It seems to me that an

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"I think the fight is over the $10 million in escrow, which looks like it may go back to IH if the deal falls through." I saw nothing saying the money is in escrow. Pretty sure it's been paid to leonardo. See line 58

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about Penon "non independence", except having an italian name and having done a previous test, is there any relationship established with rossi predating the Ferrara test ? for the rest I agree, a good HVAC engineer would do it better. 2016-04-07 4:06 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell

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"...then Rossi would be smart to simply cancel IH's license and go for his own $500 billion IPO next month. Let IH sue him if they don't like the cancellation." I think the fight is over the $10 million in escrow, which looks like it may go back to IH if the deal falls through. Craig On

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"According to the independent third party report, over the 352 day test period, the E-Cat consistently generated energy at a rate in excess of six (6) times the amount of energy consumed by the plant, often generating energy exceeding fifty (50) times the amount of energy consumed during the same

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, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Frank Znidarsic <fznidar...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > From: Frank Znidarsic <fznidar...@aol.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2016 12:30 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Press Releas

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Not minimizing the test. Just not thinking a license is indicative of good or bad. if you pass in PA are you then suddenly no good in FL.? Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically

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Sorry but license is just an issue of passing a simple exam and pay the fees Not so. I am licensed professional engineer in PA. I had to take a test upon graduation called the EIT. About 1/2 of the engineers failed. I passed. Then I had to work for 5 years under the supervision of a

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Jones , My evaluation of twitter is like yours. However, are we not wrong. People actually pay that kind of money for twitter. Or . . . Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act

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Jed, You do not have to be impressed. Just that is not of any value. COP 6 although we talk about a conservative number. I am not licences but COP 50 I can detect particularly in a 350 day test. I just do not see the reason to attack the person. I appreciate your experience. It does have nothing

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On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Jones Beene wrote: The important thing is that this is not a knee-jerk reaction from Rossi. > > From the looks of things and based on the number of filings and so on – > the Silver Law group has put a month or so of work into this already … >

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-Original Message- From: Craig Haynie > Actually, this whole mystery could be the result of a failure by IH to raise > the expected $89 million to finalize the deal. Maybe, but if Rossi really has the goods ... given that useless concepts like "Twitter" are valued at $24 billion IPO

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Actually, this whole mystery could be the result of a failure by IH to raise the expected $89 million to finalize the deal. This might explain why they took this to the end of the trial. Craig

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Agreed, a settlment seems likely. On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Lennart Thornros wrote: > 89 million dollars is a lot of money. > I think there will be a settlement within three months. > I do not think we need to find out who is the bad boy. > I think they all are in a

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Seems more likely this could be a preemptive strike by Rossi. Maybe he knew there would be a suit coming from IH and decided to strike first and issue a press release. Maybe they will also want their money back from the flawed Lugano test. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:04 PM Lennart Thornros

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > 1. Based on his previous work, Penon is not qualified to do calorimetry. I > have no clue about how well you know this guys qualifications except you > read a report you think was flawed. If the COP was 50, then I (and I am not > good at

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89 million dollars is a lot of money. I think there will be a settlement within three months. I do not think we need to find out who is the bad boy. I think they all are in a league they have not played before. My reasoning for believing in a settlement is that they destroy the lead to the market

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Jed, I am amazed. You just say things. no support as far as I can see. You said in black I think in red. While I have not disqualified these measurements, I have some doubts about them because: 1. Based on his previous work, Penon is not qualified to do calorimetry. I have no clue about how well

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On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: 2. Penon is not independent of Rossi. > I'm curious how things got this far in the negotiation of the test between Rossi and IH. Eric

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > The info about COP I took from Rossi's pressrelease: > According to the independent third party report, over the 352 day test > period, the E-Cat consistently generated energy at a rate in excess of six > (6) times the amount of energy consumed

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In the court filing it says that the average COP was in excess of 50 and sometimes in excess of 60. All I can say is WOW! I hope it holds true. A lot of grist for the mill. Robert Dorr WA7ZQR At 04:55 PM 4/6/2016, you wrote: I have a feeling that Mr. Fulvio Fabiani has contributed to the

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<russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well dang it you might be right, Scarlett is already a geek fav! >> >> >> >> *From:* Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:28 PM >> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >

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be right, Scarlett is already a geek fav! > > > > *From:* Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:28 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - > Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, L

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: Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com <mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote: One could not dream up a better dramatic scenario than to have this world c

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Well dang it you might be right, Scarlett is already a geek fav! From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC. On Wed

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On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Russ George wrote: > One could not dream up a better dramatic scenario than to have this world > changing cold fusion revolution be tangled in a wild legal battle… the only > thing missing are the nearly naked beauty queens! I can see

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...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 3:44 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC. I hope Rossi has a good case. We southerner's tend to be vindictive. >From AR's lawyer's webpage:' &

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I hope Rossi has a good case. We southerner's tend to be vindictive. >From AR's lawyer's webpage:' "Our philosophy is to personally serve our clients and beat their expectations, at the lowest possible cost."

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That filing is a whole novel. "By all accounts, the amount of energy produced by the E-Cat Unit during the Guaranteed Performance Test was substantially greater than fifty (50) times the amount of energy consumed by the E-Cat Unit during the same period." On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Axil Axil

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Was the payment due to Rossi based on the COP and was the COP so large that this resultant huge payment could not be covered by IH? On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > This info came from someone who is trying to get permission to post it. > > > > I agree

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This info came from someone who is trying to get permission to post it. I agree it is distasteful. You don’t have to go to NC State to realize that when you lie down with dogs, you will likely get fleas… From: Jed Rothwell There is mention of a large payment which would have been due,

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Frank has posted one of the documents here: http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/06/complaint-of-andrea-rossi-and-leonardo-corp-court-document-cop-substantially-greater-than-fifty-50-during-test/ On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Lennart Thornros wrote: > Jed, > The info about

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Jed, The info about COP I took from Rossi's pressrelease: According to the independent third party report, over the 352 day test period, the E-Cat consistently generated energy at a rate in excess of six (6) times the amount of energy consumed by the plant, often generating energy exceeding fifty

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Here is the link to the papers: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/11135976/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Lennart Thornros wrote: > > I disagree Jed. >> I think you have received a message as

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Lennart Thornros wrote: I disagree Jed. > I think you have received a message as good as you could expect. COP is 6. > You mean in the 2012 Penon report. Right? Where does it say the COP is 6? It says output was 2.5 ~ 3.7 kW, and input was 3.6 kW. I do not think much of

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Jones Beene wrote: There is mention of a large payment which would have been due, if the test > was shown to be successful. This could take years to resolve and having it > in litigation let’s Rossi off the hook for a public disclosure. As Brian > Ahern predicted, it seems

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I disagree Jed. I think you have received a message as good as you could expect. COP is 6. The quality of the person doing the report and his qualifications you can judge when you have all information. Way too early to put up new obstacles. Yes, it is a pity that obviously IH and Rossi have

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Russ George wrote: Anyone other than me seeing a DDOS attack on their cold fusion blog just > now! > Whose blog? Rossi's, or lenr-forum.com? The latter is fine. - Jed

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The drama is intense… The important thing is that this is not a knee-jerk reaction from Rossi. >From the looks of things and based on the number of filings and so on – the >Silver Law group has put a month or so of work into this already … Let’s see, >200 hours at $750/hr already and the

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Anyone other than me seeing a DDOS attack on their cold fusion blog just now! From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 2:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC

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Ah. You have to pay for it. Even though this is a .gov site. Thanks, anyway. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > > > > *From:* Jed Rothwell > > > > If someone can give us a link to pacer.gov, Case No. 16-CV-21199-JLK, I > would appreciate it. > > > > >

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From: Jed Rothwell If someone can give us a link to pacer.gov, Case No. 16-CV-21199-JLK, I would appreciate it. https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/11135976/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al

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If someone can give us a link to pacer.gov, Case No. 16-CV-21199-JLK, I would appreciate it. This press release confirms that "the independent third party validation test was performed by Dr. Ing. Fabio Penon, a Ph.D. in Nuclear Engineering." As I wrote here previously, this is like having an