On 11-01-18 06:48 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> [...]
> so why not be consistent with the archives and use
> l...@www.libreoffice.org (with archives already at
> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/l10n/
>
> ciao
> Christian
>
I thought the convention was to use lists.domain.org ??
Just sayi
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:38 PM, David Nelson wrote:
> Hi Narayan, Michael :-)
> The most recent SC meeting re-stated the same openess to that *in the
> mid-term future*. But it was clearly desired to put an end to what has
> become a disruptive argument backed up by what has been, IMHO,
> disrup
Hi everyone:
Unfortunately, I am also going to add my name as one who is also going
to take a break from the LibreOffice project. As I had made my position
clear about my participation on the Drupal team and the conflicting
messages that were passed on from the SC, I am quite disheartened at
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:32 AM, charles.h.schulz
wrote:
> I've read several comments about the SC shunning away from its
> responsibilities.
> I think it would be fair to remember that the SC is a group of people (who
> are not perfect) who had the guts to break away from Oracle. They had the
Hi Italo:
Le 2011-01-18 18:25, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
On 01/19/2011 12:11 AM, Charles Marcus wrote:
Seriously? You don't see the benefit of having fully integrated support
backend, such that someone can choose to use the forums, or email lists,
or newsgroups, and everyone sees the same 'conte
Le 2011-01-18 17:57, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
The problem is not drupal the technology, but that people were not
listening to each other.
That really is the biggest problem. The impression people got is that
drupal team is only interested in pushing drupal, not in how community
works. You c
Hi David,
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:25 PM, David Nelson wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 18:40, Florian Effenberger
> wrote:
>> Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2011-01-18 04.11:
>>>
>>> So I have to say: sorry for the inconvenience, but I won't roll it out
>>> on the live site without some nimimal
Hi *,
It's too much detail to answer everything, thus I focus on the techy
stuff only :-)
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Michael Meeks wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 22:55 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote:
> [...]
> Ultimately I think you're going to have jumpy tabs if you use explicit
> we
Hi Christian, all,
Christian Lohmaier schrieb:
[...]
Now that the second level is displayed anyway as seperate menu-bar,
I'm more with those who think it is no longer necessary.
+1
[...]
I prepared the menu for popup-navigation (i.e. you hover on the
entries and see its children), it's curr
Hi Christoph,
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Christoph Noack wrote:
>
>> It's not very common; most sites have drop-down menus that
>> don't show sub-menus when sub-pages are loaded
>
> Correct, but I bet the mature ones do have a breadcrumb navigation or
> something similar. So even if the use
Hi *;
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Christoph Noack
wrote:
>
> Example:
> * Go to http:/www.libreoffice.org
> * Click on "Features" --> category is active, no sub-category is
> active (strange)
> * Click on "Writer" --> category is active, sub-category is active
>
Hi *,
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Bernhard Dippold
wrote:
>>
>> I would like to have those e-mail forwarders handled by a separate mail
>> server, independent from the mailing list server. However, we have a few
>> listes directly @libreoffice.org, which makes things complicated.
>> [...]
>
Hi *,
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Christian Lohmaier
wrote:
>> [...]
>> Since nobody provides the link (the one Klaus-Jürgen sent was not
>> working for me... a problem at mail-archive.com, perhaps?),
>
> Could be a bug - I'll investigate and forward to mail-archive.com
Given that Klaus-Jü
Hi Florian, all,
Florian Effenberger schrieb:
Hello,
on the steering-discuss list, we currently discuss about
@libreoffice.org e-mail addresses for community members. Just focusing
on the technical issues for this mail:
I would like to have those e-mail forwarders handled by a separate mail
se
On 01/19/2011 12:11 AM, Charles Marcus wrote:
Seriously? You don't see the benefit of having fully integrated support
backend, such that someone can choose to use the forums, or email lists,
or newsgroups, and everyone sees the same 'content'?
Yes, seriously.
In Italy, there are mailing lists
On 01/18/2011 11:57 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
But then again: Drupal is not "dead" at all - it should just be clear
that the primary focus must be the site that is public for the user.
I have read many threads in the website mailing list, and I must say
that I have found many areas where
On 2011-01-18 5:57 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> And this attitude/point of view towards it surely was one of the
> reasons for the SC to be so drastic about its statement.
>
> You must not force people into a single infrastructure. There is no
> need to force everything into drupal. I hardly se
Hi Andrea, *,
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Andrea Pescetti
wrote:
> Italo Vignoli wrote:
> [...]
> Since nobody provides the link (the one Klaus-Jürgen sent was not
> working for me... a problem at mail-archive.com, perhaps?),
Could be a bug - I'll investigate and forward to mail-archive.com
Hi Charles, *,
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Charles Marcus
wrote:
> On 2011-01-15 4:41 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
>> I would sincerely hope that this would not disappear in the near future,
>> it would in my humble opinion, be a great shame to lose all that work.
>
> +100
>
> The integrati
Hello everyone,
I've read several comments about the SC shunning away from its
responsibilities.
I think it would be fair to remember that the SC is a group of people (who are
not perfect) who had the guts to break away from Oracle. They had the guts to
leave a project they had been contribut
Hi all,
there is still a small gap to fill - could anybody please jump in and
help to populate the "new features" site? Some screenshots are still
missing ... Michael (if I remember correctly) added some ideas how to
present some of the features.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-a
On 14/01/2011 Sophie Gautier wrote:
> a small amount of Go-oo
> features have been incorporated for now. More will come later, once
> our users base is consolidated.
Really? I expected most of the Go-OO features had made their way into
LibreOffice, or at least http://planet.go-oo.org/ made me thi
Hi Klaus, :-)
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 05:22, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol
wrote:
> Hi David, Ivan, Christian,
> on the website "new-features-and fixes" [1] there are missing images. There
> are only some notes about screenshots.
> If you know this yet just let the email drop away.
Yes, it's a known i
Hi David, Ivan, Christian,
on the website "new-features-and fixes" [1] there are missing images.
There are only some notes about screenshots.
If you know this yet just let the email drop away.
Grüße
k-j
[1] http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/
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Hi Andrea,
Am 18.01.2011 20:20, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
Italo Vignoli wrote:
I have seen mentions of these "23 roles" many times, but I have not seen
a list where they are described in detail. It looks like they have been
developed without even asking the SC members - or the group of the
founde
Hi Charles,
Charles Marcus wrote (18-01-11 17:20)
[...]
The first thing I would like to see is an *apology* to Michael and the
others for allowing them to *waste so much of their time* on a project
the SC was never going to endorse in the first place.
Since truth is always
A <
Italo Vignoli wrote:
> I have seen mentions of these "23 roles" many times, but I have not seen
> a list where they are described in detail. It looks like they have been
> developed without even asking the SC members - or the group of the
> founders - if this was the right approach.
Since nobod
Hi Drew!
Am Dienstag, den 18.01.2011, 12:16 -0500 schrieb drew:
> > And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
> > Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time.
> > Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon as they saw
> what was happenin
On 2011-01-18 1:40 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote:
> Am 18.01.2011 17:20, schrieb Charles Marcus:
>> And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
>> Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long
>> time.
> Maybe not members of the SC, but there are people that have
On 11-01-17 02:32 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> 2011/1/17 Fabián Rodríguez
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> This is last week's report on activity for the "Ask LibreOffice" Q&A
>> site at Shapado.
>>
>> I'll get future reports in English. Here's the translation:
>>
>> 4 questions were created
>> 8 answers
Am 18.01.2011 19:40, schrieb Stefan Weigel:
Hi,
Am 18.01.2011 17:20, schrieb Charles Marcus:
And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time.
Maybe not members of the SC, but there are people that have been
Hi,
Am 18.01.2011 17:20, schrieb Charles Marcus:
> And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
> Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time.
Maybe not members of the SC, but there are people that have been
answering on the mailing lists from the ver
Hi Italo,
Am 18.01.2011 13:13, schrieb Italo Vignoli:
3. How you got to the number of "23 roles" (my perception is that 23
might be way too many, but I might be wrong)
Maybe it is this thread:
http://go.mail-archive.com/0lDrpv0CEyzGsyqU-Oz6fD-vsgM=
k-j
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On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 18:01 +0100, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> On 1/18/11 5:20 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
>
> > And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
> > Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time.
> > Someone from the SC should have taken him aside a
On 2011-01-18 12:01 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> On 1/18/11 5:20 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
>> And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
>> Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long
>> time. Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon as
>> the
2011/1/18 Erich Christian
> Hi Daniel,
>
> Am 18.01.2011 14:52, schrieb Daniel A. Rodriguez:
> > 2011/1/18 Christian Lohmaier
> >> Yes - the forum is used for cms access registration. (only this part
> >> of the forum is used)
>
> > Ok, I've registered but cannot acces to /admin interface. Needs
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 11:20 -0500, Charles Marcus wrote:
> On 2011-01-18 7:13 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> > I think that the main fault of everyone in this specific domain of the
> > web site (including SC members) was to overlook the web site problem and
> > leave it unmanaged.
>
> I agree, althou
On 1/18/11 5:20 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance,
Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time.
Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon as they saw what
was happening.
I am a SC member, and I have
On 2011-01-18 7:13 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> I think that the main fault of everyone in this specific domain of the
> web site (including SC members) was to overlook the web site problem and
> leave it unmanaged.
I agree, although I would say *especially* the SC members... this is a
*management*
Hi Daniel,
Am 18.01.2011 14:52, schrieb Daniel A. Rodriguez:
> 2011/1/18 Christian Lohmaier
>> Yes - the forum is used for cms access registration. (only this part
>> of the forum is used)
> Ok, I've registered but cannot acces to /admin interface. Needs grants to?
Yes you need to be added to yo
Hi Narayan, Michael :-)
If you read the various SC meeting minutes objectively, there was
never any firm commitment to going over to Drupal. It was, in fact, an
openness to re-consider the issue at a later date, and to evaluate a
working site alongside specific statements and proof of the advantag
On 1/18/11 8:42 AM, Michael Wheatland wrote:
If you or others wish to see this development continue, I would
suggest that you rally one or more of the SC members to overturn the
decisions made at the most recent meeting and allow autonomy within
the functional teams.
I hope you have gone throu
Hi Narayan, Michael :-)
If you read the various SC meeting minutes objectively, there was
never any firm commitment to going over to Drupal. It was, in fact, an
openness to re-consider the issue at a later date, and to evaluate a
working site alongside specific statements and proof of the advantag
2011/1/18 Christian Lohmaier
>
> Hi Daniel, *,
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Daniel A. Rodriguez
> wrote:
> >> https://www.libreoffice.org/ForumMemberProfile/register
> >
> > That link is for forum registration, I meant cms access registration
>
> Yes - the forum is used for cms access re
Hi Daniel, *,
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Daniel A. Rodriguez
wrote:
>> https://www.libreoffice.org/ForumMemberProfile/register
>
> That link is for forum registration, I meant cms access registration
Yes - the forum is used for cms access registration. (only this part
of the forum is used)
2011/1/18 Christian Lohmaier
>
> Hi *,
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Daniel A. Rodriguez
> wrote:
> > Hi, I'd like to participate into the Spanish community, some time ago
> > someone gave me an address where to register but registration on website
> is
> > no longer available. So, which
Hi *,
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Daniel A. Rodriguez
wrote:
> Hi, I'd like to participate into the Spanish community, some time ago
> someone gave me an address where to register but registration on website is
> no longer available. So, which is the procedure?
It's now available again.
ht
Narayan,
Le Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:34:53 +0530,
Narayan Aras a écrit :
>
>
>
>
> Hi Charles,
>
> > > Else we would have left OOo because of a "dictatorial" behavior of
> > > Oracle, to get that behavior from the SC.
> > > (Out of the frying pan into the fire?)
>
> > I don't see it that way.
On 2011-01-17 7:24 PM, David Nelson wrote:
> Michael is very interested in "doing stuff" with Drupal. Like Michael,
> I personally prefer forums as a support channel for the English NL
> community. Drupal originally evolved from forum software, so it is
> naturally very strong in that area. Perhaps
Thanks Charles
2011/1/18 Charles-H. Schulz
> Daniel,
>
> there is this website: http://es.libreoffice.org
> and these mailing lists:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists#Spanish
>
> Welcome,
> --
> Charles-H. Schulz
> Membre du Comité exécutif
> The Document Foundation.
>
> L
Hi David, Ivan & co.
So, first - I think it is worth saying that conflict is normal; -and-
it is particularly normal in teams that are just changed / formed. A
so-called "Forming / Storming / Norming / Performing" phase change :-)
it would be nice to skip stage two, and three - and jump to
Hi guys,
So - this thread turned amusing, before I could even get to it. Perhaps
one of our problems is a workload, and hence response time mismatch
between people.
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 22:55 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote:
> great suggestion. It seems it pays off to bore you with all this
On 1/18/11 12:26 PM, Narayan Aras wrote:
Then I volunteered to collect the stakeholders requirements.
The 23 roles were identified on this very mail list.
I have seen mentions of these "23 roles" many times, but I have not seen
a list where they are described in detail. It looks like they hav
Hi Charles,
> > Else we would have left OOo because of a "dictatorial" behavior of
> > Oracle, to get that behavior from the SC.
> > (Out of the frying pan into the fire?)
> I don't see it that way. It's perhaps misleading to call a dictatorial
> behavior anything that does not suit your vis
Hi, :-)
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 18:40, Florian Effenberger
wrote:
> +1 from my side
>
> Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2011-01-18 04.11:
>>
>> So I have to say: sorry for the inconvenience, but I won't roll it out
>> on the live site without some nimimal testing.
OK, sure. In fact, I was not aware
Charles,
> > Logically, I haven't seen any discussion at the mail list that can lead to
> > this conclusion.
>
> Oh there were discussions on several mailing lists about that.
>
And so were the discussions about the official status of the "Drupal" site as a
long-term solution.
Also, we id
Le Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:16:08 +0100,
Karl-Heinz Gödderz a écrit :
> Narayan Aras schrieb:
> > Dear Charles,
> >
> >
> >> Dear Narayan,
> >>
> >> I would advise you read the minutes of the latest steerinh
> >> committee.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Charles.
> >>
> >
> >
>
> > The "state
Narayan Aras schrieb:
> Dear Charles,
>
>
>> Dear Narayan,
>>
>> I would advise you read the minutes of the latest steerinh committee.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charles.
>>
>
>
> The "statement" from SC reads like a commandment; to be followed by the
> faithful.
>
> Are we reduced (already)
Daniel,
there is this website: http://es.libreoffice.org
and these mailing lists:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists#Spanish
Welcome,
--
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Membre du Comité exécutif
The Document Foundation.
Le Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:06:23 -0300,
"Daniel A. Rodriguez" a écrit :
Narayan,
Le Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:49:45 +0530,
Narayan Aras a écrit :
>
> Dear Charles,
>
> > Subject: RE : RE: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and
> > missed opportunities From:
> > charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: website@libreoffice.org
> >
> > Dear Narayan,
> >
+1 from my side
Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2011-01-18 04.11:
So I have to say: sorry for the inconvenience, but I won't roll it out
on the live site without some nimimal testing.
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Dear Charles,
> Subject: RE : RE: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed
> opportunities
> From: charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org
> To: website@libreoffice.org
>
> Dear Narayan,
>
> I would advise you read the minutes of the latest steerinh committee.
>
> Thanks,
>
Hi, I'd like to participate into the Spanish community, some time ago
someone gave me an address where to register but registration on website is
no longer available. So, which is the procedure?
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Dear Narayan,
I would advise you read the minutes of the latest steerinh committee.
Thanks,
Charles.
Le 18 janv. 2011, 10:26 AM, "Narayan Aras" a
écrit :
Hi Michael,
> The development site will remain online at >
> www.libreofficeaustralia.comhowever it is likely th...
I think the main pro
Hi Michael,
> The development site will remain online at
> www.libreofficeaustralia.com however it is likely that I will make the
> site read only until we determine the path forward for this
> development.
> So... The question is, where to now for the Drupal development?
I think the main prob
Hi Michael and Christoph,
> Charles,
> The work on the Drupal development has halted as per the Steering Committee
> statement.
> There seems to be a disconnect between what the community/mailing list
> groups want and what the Steering Committee is willing to support.
>
> From my discussions w
Hi, :-)
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 15:42, Michael Wheatland
wrote:
> Personally I would like to see 'website team lead(s)' elected within
> the website team, by the website team
Problem: who are the members of the website team then? That's not
something one can even actually properly establish at t
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