RE: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Narayan Aras
Hi Michael, The development site will remain online at www.libreofficeaustralia.com however it is likely that I will make the site read only until we determine the path forward for this development. So... The question is, where to now for the Drupal development? I think the main problem

[libreoffice-website] spanish website

2011-01-18 Thread Daniel A. Rodriguez
Hi, I'd like to participate into the Spanish community, some time ago someone gave me an address where to register but registration on website is no longer available. So, which is the procedure? regards --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Escuelas Libres :: Porque la educación

RE: RE : RE: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Narayan Aras
Dear Charles, Subject: RE : RE: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities From: charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: website@libreoffice.org Dear Narayan, I would advise you read the minutes of the latest steerinh committee. Thanks, Charles.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:16:08 +0100, Karl-Heinz Gödderz libreoff...@gukk-online.de a écrit : Narayan Aras schrieb: Dear Charles, Dear Narayan, I would advise you read the minutes of the latest steerinh committee. Thanks, Charles. snip The statement from

RE: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Narayan Aras
Charles, Logically, I haven't seen any discussion at the mail list that can lead to this conclusion. Oh there were discussions on several mailing lists about that. And so were the discussions about the official status of the Drupal site as a long-term solution. Also, we identified

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: URGENT REQUEST: Install the News/Blogging module

2011-01-18 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 18:40, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: +1 from my side Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2011-01-18 04.11: So I have to say: sorry for the inconvenience, but I won't roll it out on the live site without some nimimal testing. OK, sure. In

RE: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Narayan Aras
Hi Charles, Else we would have left OOo because of a dictatorial behavior of Oracle, to get that behavior from the SC. (Out of the frying pan into the fire?) I don't see it that way. It's perhaps misleading to call a dictatorial behavior anything that does not suit your vision.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 1/18/11 12:26 PM, Narayan Aras wrote: Then I volunteered to collect the stakeholders requirements. The 23 roles were identified on this very mail list. I have seen mentions of these 23 roles many times, but I have not seen a list where they are described in detail. It looks like they have

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...

2011-01-18 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi guys, So - this thread turned amusing, before I could even get to it. Perhaps one of our problems is a workload, and hence response time mismatch between people. On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 22:55 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: great suggestion. It seems it pays off to bore you with all this

[libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...

2011-01-18 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi David, Ivan co. So, first - I think it is worth saying that conflict is normal; -and- it is particularly normal in teams that are just changed / formed. A so-called Forming / Storming / Norming / Performing phase change :-) it would be nice to skip stage two, and three - and jump to

Re: [libreoffice-website] spanish website

2011-01-18 Thread Daniel A. Rodriguez
Thanks Charles 2011/1/18 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Daniel, there is this website: http://es.libreoffice.org and these mailing lists: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists#Spanish Welcome, -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...

2011-01-18 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-17 7:24 PM, David Nelson wrote: Michael is very interested in doing stuff with Drupal. Like Michael, I personally prefer forums as a support channel for the English NL community. Drupal originally evolved from forum software, so it is naturally very strong in that area. Perhaps

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Narayan, Le Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:34:53 +0530, Narayan Aras narayana...@hotmail.com a écrit : Hi Charles, Else we would have left OOo because of a dictatorial behavior of Oracle, to get that behavior from the SC. (Out of the frying pan into the fire?) I don't see it that

Re: [libreoffice-website] spanish website

2011-01-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Daniel A. Rodriguez daniel.armando.rodrig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd like to participate into the Spanish community, some time ago someone gave me an address where to register but registration on website is no longer available. So, which is the

Re: [libreoffice-website] spanish website

2011-01-18 Thread Daniel A. Rodriguez
2011/1/18 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.comlohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.com Hi *, On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Daniel A. Rodriguez daniel.armando.rodrig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd like to participate into the Spanish community, some time ago someone gave me an

Re: [libreoffice-website] spanish website

2011-01-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Daniel, *, On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Daniel A. Rodriguez daniel.armando.rodrig...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/ForumMemberProfile/register That link is for forum registration, I meant cms access registration Yes - the forum is used for cms access registration. (only

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread David Nelson
Hi Narayan, Michael :-) If you read the various SC meeting minutes objectively, there was never any firm commitment to going over to Drupal. It was, in fact, an openness to re-consider the issue at a later date, and to evaluate a working site alongside specific statements and proof of the

Re: [tdf-discuss] [libreoffice-website] [Forum] How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-18 Thread David Nelson
Hi Narayan, Michael :-) If you read the various SC meeting minutes objectively, there was never any firm commitment to going over to Drupal. It was, in fact, an openness to re-consider the issue at a later date, and to evaluate a working site alongside specific statements and proof of the

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-18 7:13 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: I think that the main fault of everyone in this specific domain of the web site (including SC members) was to overlook the web site problem and leave it unmanaged. I agree, although I would say *especially* the SC members... this is a *management*

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 1/18/11 5:20 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance, Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time. Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon as they saw what was happening. I am a SC member, and I have

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread drew
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 11:20 -0500, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-18 7:13 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: I think that the main fault of everyone in this specific domain of the web site (including SC members) was to overlook the web site problem and leave it unmanaged. I agree, although I

Re: [libreoffice-website] spanish website

2011-01-18 Thread Daniel A. Rodriguez
2011/1/18 Erich Christian erich_...@irq.at Hi Daniel, Am 18.01.2011 14:52, schrieb Daniel A. Rodriguez: 2011/1/18 Christian Lohmaier Yes - the forum is used for cms access registration. (only this part of the forum is used) Ok, I've registered but cannot acces to /admin interface.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-18 12:01 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 1/18/11 5:20 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance, Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time. Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon as they saw

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread drew
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 18:01 +0100, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 1/18/11 5:20 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance, Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time. Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Am 18.01.2011 17:20, schrieb Charles Marcus: And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance, Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time. Maybe not members of the SC, but there are people that have been answering on the mailing lists from the very

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread ol klaus-jürgen weghorn
Am 18.01.2011 19:40, schrieb Stefan Weigel: Hi, Am 18.01.2011 17:20, schrieb Charles Marcus: And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance, Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time. Maybe not members of the SC, but there are people that have

[libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: Reporte para el grupo LibreOffice de Shapado

2011-01-18 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-17 02:32 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: 2011/1/17 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org Greetings, This is last week's report on activity for the Ask LibreOffice QA site at Shapado. I'll get future reports in English. Here's the translation: 4 questions were created 8 answers

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-18 1:40 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Am 18.01.2011 17:20, schrieb Charles Marcus: And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance, Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time. Maybe not members of the SC, but there are people that have been

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Drew! Am Dienstag, den 18.01.2011, 12:16 -0500 schrieb drew: And no, they - meaning the SC - absolutely cannot claim ignorance, Michael was discussing their progress on the lists for a long time. Someone from the SC should have taken him aside as soon as they saw what was happening.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Italo Vignoli wrote: I have seen mentions of these 23 roles many times, but I have not seen a list where they are described in detail. It looks like they have been developed without even asking the SC members - or the group of the founders - if this was the right approach. Since nobody

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Charles, Charles Marcus wrote (18-01-11 17:20) [...] The first thing I would like to see is an *apology* to Michael and the others for allowing them to *waste so much of their time* on a project the SC was never going to endorse in the first place. Since truth is always A

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol
Hi Andrea, Am 18.01.2011 20:20, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Italo Vignoli wrote: I have seen mentions of these 23 roles many times, but I have not seen a list where they are described in detail. It looks like they have been developed without even asking the SC members - or the group of the

[libreoffice-website] Lost images on new-features-and fixes

2011-01-18 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol
Hi David, Ivan, Christian, on the website new-features-and fixes [1] there are missing images. There are only some notes about screenshots. If you know this yet just let the email drop away. Grüße k-j [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/ -- Unsubscribe

Re: [libreoffice-website] Lost images on new-features-and fixes

2011-01-18 Thread David Nelson
Hi Klaus, :-) On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 05:22, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: Hi David, Ivan, Christian, on the website new-features-and fixes [1] there are missing images. There are only some notes about screenshots. If you know this yet just let the email drop away.

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...

2011-01-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 14/01/2011 Sophie Gautier wrote: a small amount of Go-oo features have been incorporated for now. More will come later, once our users base is consolidated. Really? I expected most of the Go-OO features had made their way into LibreOffice, or at least http://planet.go-oo.org/ made me think

[libreoffice-website] Re: The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread charles.h.schulz
Hello everyone, I've read several comments about the SC shunning away from its responsibilities. I think it would be fair to remember that the SC is a group of people (who are not perfect) who had the guts to break away from Oracle. They had the guts to leave a project they had been

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Charles, *, On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: On 2011-01-15 4:41 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: I would sincerely hope that this would not disappear in the near future, it would in my humble opinion, be a great shame to lose all that work.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Andrea, *, On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org wrote: Italo Vignoli wrote: [...] Since nobody provides the link (the one Klaus-Jürgen sent was not working for me... a problem at mail-archive.com, perhaps?), Could be a bug - I'll investigate and forward

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-18 5:57 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: And this attitude/point of view towards it surely was one of the reasons for the SC to be so drastic about its statement. You must not force people into a single infrastructure. There is no need to force everything into drupal. I hardly see

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 01/18/2011 11:57 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: But then again: Drupal is not dead at all - it should just be clear that the primary focus must be the site that is public for the user. I have read many threads in the website mailing list, and I must say that I have found many areas where

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 01/19/2011 12:11 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: Seriously? You don't see the benefit of having fully integrated support backend, such that someone can choose to use the forums, or email lists, or newsgroups, and everyone sees the same 'content'? Yes, seriously. In Italy, there are mailing

Re: [libreoffice-website] relocating mailing lists at libreoffice.org?

2011-01-18 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Florian, all, Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hello, on the steering-discuss list, we currently discuss about @libreoffice.org e-mail addresses for community members. Just focusing on the technical issues for this mail: I would like to have those e-mail forwarders handled by a separate mail

Re: [libreoffice-website] relocating mailing lists at libreoffice.org?

2011-01-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: I would like to have those e-mail forwarders handled by a separate mail server, independent from the mailing list server. However, we have a few listes directly @libreoffice.org, which makes things

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [UX] LibreOffice menu navigation issue

2011-01-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Christoph, On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote: It's not very common; most sites have drop-down menus that don't show sub-menus when sub-pages are loaded Correct, but I bet the mature ones do have a breadcrumb navigation or something similar. So

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...

2011-01-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, It's too much detail to answer everything, thus I focus on the techy stuff only :-) On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 22:55 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: [...]        Ultimately I think you're going to have jumpy tabs if

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: URGENT REQUEST: Install the News/Blogging module

2011-01-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi David, On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:25 PM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 18:40, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2011-01-18 04.11: So I have to say: sorry for the inconvenience, but I won't roll it out

[libreoffice-website] Re: [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Italo: Le 2011-01-18 18:25, Italo Vignoli a écrit : On 01/19/2011 12:11 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: Seriously? You don't see the benefit of having fully integrated support backend, such that someone can choose to use the forums, or email lists, or newsgroups, and everyone sees the same

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: The road ahead and missed opportunities

2011-01-18 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:32 AM, charles.h.schulz charles.h.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I've read several comments about the SC shunning away from its responsibilities. I think it would be fair to remember that the SC is a group of people (who are not perfect) who had the guts to break away

[libreoffice-website] Taking a break from LibreOffice and stepping back

2011-01-18 Thread Marc Paré
Hi everyone: Unfortunately, I am also going to add my name as one who is also going to take a break from the LibreOffice project. As I had made my position clear about my participation on the Drupal team and the conflicting messages that were passed on from the SC, I am quite disheartened at

Re: [libreoffice-website] relocating mailing lists at libreoffice.org?

2011-01-18 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-18 06:48 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: [...] so why not be consistent with the archives and use l...@www.libreoffice.org (with archives already at http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/l10n/ ciao Christian I thought the convention was to use lists.domain.org ?? Just sayin' --