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they might well want to terminate his service. But he'll probably just
get another ISP; but depending on where he lives there might not be
many ISPs in his area.
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2008/12/15 Carl Beckhorn cbeckh...@fastmail.fm:
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:16:47AM +, Ian Woollard wrote:
Now straight away we are in trouble. The English wikipedia's Rocket
article is about the general case of rockets- any vehicle that is
propelled by a rocket engine, including a rather
of times that any
particular IP is able to engage in Grawp-like or other stereotypic
behaviour. While he/she/they would be able to soon find another IP, it
significantly mitigates the damage that can be done, and minimises the
cleanup.
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or easier to undo or
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blocking of just the active vandals.
On 25/12/2008, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
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On 25/12/2008, Soxred93 soxre...@gmail.com wrote:
If we rangeblock all
on
in most jurisdictions.
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number of edits to complete a move might be desirable.
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consider it either-or. We should fight spammers of all
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2008/12/31 Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com:
That is A definition of right and wrong, you're saying that the
wikipedia is more important than individuals. You're valuing the
wikipedia more than them. That's your right. But it's also his
2009/1/2 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
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If I understand you correctly, you would be (theoretically) fine with
me creating a wikipedia page of you and filling it with true
information about you, including your social security number, bank
account
be able to find one though. Perhaps some sort of
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That would mess up linking between articles.
No, it would create red links, which would help people find the
sub-par article and encourage them to improve it.
Red links are usually considered to be broadly positive.
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That would mess up linking between articles.
No, it would create red links, which would help people find the
sub-par
.
Possibly not. The experience with these kinds of systems at Amazon for
example shows that interpreting votes is not simple. A lot of people
give consistently high, middle or low votes and there are many
pathologies, averaging them out gives much worse results than you
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as well.
The javascript idea where the page dynamically calculates it in the
browser may have more legs though, at least for dates, and possibly
other viewing preferences also.
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I've frequently found that even what are initially minority opinions
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There used to be a noticeboard pretty much for that, but it was
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are rigidly enforced, then you have no chance.
The only way to get some articles (particularly general ones) past FA
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And the full interview lasts half an hour and starts about 1:07:30:
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might do it, but I suspect even the machines will be
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So I would say at least some of the credit goes to folks who recognized a
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Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/4/21 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
2009/4/21 Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com:
So far as I can tell from percentage breakdowns by country in Alexa,
the Chinese go to hudong and zh.wikipedia.org equally often- virtually
the same number of page hits
]]. It
actually started gradually last September...
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It could be wise to lock the page, it might be being used for
communication of some kind; somebody may make an edit and trigger
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On 28/04/2009, doc doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com wrote:
But, as long as a consensus, with good reason, wish to retain, any
burden is discharged.
No.
I'm pretty
the most
important bit for the wikipedia. Anything that gets in the way of that
for new users is probably very bad.
d) The view button is probably more important than the save button,
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b) Need more cheat sheet type stuff, in-your-face, practically
everywhere. When you create an article and when you edit- you need a
cheat sheet showing you how to do stuff, it *seems* to be how
the template and
check that it actually happened; that would at least be an
improvement.
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only a tiny amount of harm, should it be removed
then? And if not, how much harm does it take, and who gets to judge?
In other words who died and made you head censor?
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have to follow it
anyway. You're espousing censorship, but it's a *core value* that the
wikipedia is *not* censored. But it's only a *guideline* that we don't
include typical dosages. ergo: we don't have to follow it.
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On 28/05/2009, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009, Ian Woollard wrote:
Please explain how removing publicly available, legal, verifiable,
information from the wikipedia is common sense again?
Because whether it's common sense to remove the material doesn't depend
censored
of course.
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could (at best) conceivably improve things, it
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a very reasonable case that it shouldn't be published in the
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killing asteroid to hit the Earth either; you shouldn't take
the contrary position just because of that ;-)
Not everything is a zero sum game. Just because somebody loses,
doesn't mean somebody gains, in lots of situations, everybody loses or
everybody wins.
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When you extract from a server an entire set of information that they
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In other words, this isn't necessarily simply about copyright.
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on the laziness of the user calling for AFD for not
figuring out a way to save the article
After all that tiresome AFD business was completed it was of course
renamed straight back to -graphy again...
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There's probably other, better memes you can use.
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We're already down to 1000/day growth on the unsmoothed graph as we
fall off one of the two biannual growth peaks.
Looks like the Wikipedia is still bang-on for 3.5 million articles.
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article quality is still marching ever upwards.
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that things were going to continue to change, and more and more things
were likely to pile online. His essay was essentially a static view of
the *internet*. Even then... not going to happen.
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they truly believed (even if everyone else considers the references to
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I think a lot of people get involved to write new articles. It looks
like 2007 was 'peak oil' for new articles; after that it was getting
harder to find new
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
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to be.
I think we're writing for everyone, although ironically the 'pedia'
bit of Wikipedia and encyclopedia refers to children (as in PEDIAtric
doctors- children's doctors)!
Encyclopedias were actually mostly intended to educate children.
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Under firefox, the new search box is quite buggy actually. I just
tried typing really quickly into it on a slow machine, and ended up
with only half
On 14/05/2010, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 May 2010 21:21, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote:
No, it's a horrible, horrible bug in the search box.
To be honest, I think this bug should have gated the release; about
50% of the page hits go through this one box, and it's
disappearing off
watchlists.
Right now there's no guarantee that the edits have been reviewed at
all, and flagged protection should at least give that level of
guarantee.
WereSpielChequers
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That's not quite true, you are allowed to add references to material written
in foreign languages, and I've seen it done a few times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VER#Non-English_sources
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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ended up getting
perma-banned.
-Phil
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puppet abuse is covered by policy also, using a sock to
repeatedly remove references will certainly get you blocked, as this
individual involved found out.
I would argue the other way- sticking to English-only references is
unequivocally harmful for the project.
-Phil
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That's why it's supposed to be about who has identified the valid
policy for deletion or keeping it. You can't stuff the vote by
identifying valid policy.
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