Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update

[Lisa Gruwell]

Sure, Pine.  I am happy offer some thoughts:

The two main challenges for the online fundraising team are the decrease in
page views in the countries where we raise the most funds and the shift
from desktop to mobile, where the donation rate and the donation size are
much smaller.  In response to this, we estimate that we will need a
campaign that performs approximately 20 percent better than last year –
just to keep revenue constant – not to grow.


Leila is right that page views are not a perfect indicator.  Page views do
not donate, people do.  We know page views are going down but we do not
know who is leaving us. Still, we *are* seeing an impact on donations from
a decrease in page views.  This is the second big fundraising season where
we have been up against a page view decline.  Last year, we responded with
a dramatic shift in tactics.  This year, we are focusing on finding smaller
refinements that will get us there.  The good news is that we are getting
close!  And, I think the online fundraising team is working in earnest to
engage with community members and other staff who have ideas around the
message.  Some ideas have been incorporated into the campaign, others not.
The process has been helpful to us and I hopefully not too disappointing
for you.  For what it is worth, the team does not use the vast majority of
my ideas – and I respect them for that. :)


There are some concerns around the urgency of the message that we are still
trying to work through.  To be honest, we haven’t seen this surface in past
research or when we talk to our donors.  Still, we recognize that we may
not have been asking the right questions or framing it right. We care a lot
that that we are giving an accurate impression about our need for
donations.  So, we have drilled down on this more in our research to better
understand what our readers think on this topic.  We should have more to
share on that in a week or two.


The concerns raised about the size of the budget and the rate of growth of
the organization need to involve more people than just fundraising.  We
will give our perspectives on what is happening with the “topline” as a
part of a larger planning conversation.


Best,


Lisa Gruwell

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Fundraising folks, can we get an update in response to the concerns raised
> in this thread?
>
> Thanks,
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update

[Pine W]

Thanks for following up.

Regarding the topline number: given the issues that happened with the
2015-2016 WMF annual plan, I am wondering if WMF Finance can start planning
early for 2016-2017 around with the following goals. These are some
brainstorms, other people may want to add their own suggestions.

* Zero topline budget growth
* 3 percent reduction in recurring non-labor costs such as energy and
supplies
* 10 percent increase in the value of major gifts and in kind donations
(thus reducing pressure on the online fundraising)
* 5 percent increase in the combined budgets for grants to be disbursed to
individuals and affiliates
* 5 percent reduction in travel costs
* 10 percent average monthly increase in global readership
* 10 percent increase in total active editors
* 5 percent increase in the quantity of content (measured in bytes)
* 10 percent increase in the number of educational organizations in WEP
* 10 percent increase in the number of people who are registered members of
affiliates.

Further thoughts and comments welcome. We can move this discussion to Meta
if more than a handful of budget and governance geeks are interested. (:

Pine
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[Wikimedia-l] Board Recruiting Update

[Boryana Dineva]

Hello everyone,

I wanted to share an update on the new board members search.

The search is progressing well. We asked for and received nominations
from the board of trustees, the advisory board, WMF staff, the WMF
executive team, and the community, with a total poll exceeding 70
candidates. The pipeline of nominees was extremely diverse. Our
recruiting team also did an extensive search based on the role
description criteria and sent in a list of candidates that had all the
characteristics, skills and experience we are looking for.

Having narrowed down the number in several rounds of review (basing on
criteria prepared by the staff, as well as the criteria proposed by
the Board Governance Committee), we are meeting with finalists to
collect more information and get acquainted over this week and next.
After that, all finalists will interview with Lila, and finally with
our panel comprised by the BGC (and likely also the Board Chair). The
BGC will decide and present recommendations of chosen candidates to
the whole Board.

We have weeks of work yet ahead of us, but I am happy to report that
we have made great progress to date. I am copying Dariusz, our BGC
chair, in case he would like to add anything also.

Warm regards,
Boryana

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Recruiting Update

[Gregory Varnum]

Thank you for your work on this important process and the update.

-greg (User:Varnent)


> On Oct 29, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Anna Stillwell  wrote:
> 
> Well done. A solid process and great communication.
> Thank you.
> /a
> 
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Boryana Dineva 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I wanted to share an update on the new board members search.
>> 
>> The search is progressing well. We asked for and received nominations
>> from the board of trustees, the advisory board, WMF staff, the WMF
>> executive team, and the community, with a total poll exceeding 70
>> candidates. The pipeline of nominees was extremely diverse. Our
>> recruiting team also did an extensive search based on the role
>> description criteria and sent in a list of candidates that had all the
>> characteristics, skills and experience we are looking for.
>> 
>> Having narrowed down the number in several rounds of review (basing on
>> criteria prepared by the staff, as well as the criteria proposed by
>> the Board Governance Committee), we are meeting with finalists to
>> collect more information and get acquainted over this week and next.
>> After that, all finalists will interview with Lila, and finally with
>> our panel comprised by the BGC (and likely also the Board Chair). The
>> BGC will decide and present recommendations of chosen candidates to
>> the whole Board.
>> 
>> We have weeks of work yet ahead of us, but I am happy to report that
>> we have made great progress to date. I am copying Dariusz, our BGC
>> chair, in case he would like to add anything also.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Boryana
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Recruiting Update

[Anna Stillwell]

Well done. A solid process and great communication.
Thank you.
/a

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Boryana Dineva 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I wanted to share an update on the new board members search.
>
> The search is progressing well. We asked for and received nominations
> from the board of trustees, the advisory board, WMF staff, the WMF
> executive team, and the community, with a total poll exceeding 70
> candidates. The pipeline of nominees was extremely diverse. Our
> recruiting team also did an extensive search based on the role
> description criteria and sent in a list of candidates that had all the
> characteristics, skills and experience we are looking for.
>
> Having narrowed down the number in several rounds of review (basing on
> criteria prepared by the staff, as well as the criteria proposed by
> the Board Governance Committee), we are meeting with finalists to
> collect more information and get acquainted over this week and next.
> After that, all finalists will interview with Lila, and finally with
> our panel comprised by the BGC (and likely also the Board Chair). The
> BGC will decide and present recommendations of chosen candidates to
> the whole Board.
>
> We have weeks of work yet ahead of us, but I am happy to report that
> we have made great progress to date. I am copying Dariusz, our BGC
> chair, in case he would like to add anything also.
>
> Warm regards,
> Boryana
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Raymond Leonard]

Often I see or make additions to articles & then see hidden categories like
Official Website not in Wikidata or Coordinates not in Wikidata, or the
Authority Control data is in Wikidata but it has an LCCN parameter added in
the template in Wikipedia. Are there any semi-automated tools that would
facilitate moving such data into Wikidata when we encounter these things?
How can we improve the workflow to aid the transfer of this data?

Yours,
Peaceray


On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Romaine Wiki 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a better
> integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
>
> Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are not
> added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject exists.
> Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is no
> stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after the
> creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc) in
> what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the first
> stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be better if
> this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay in
> Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
>
> A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of properties
> (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further properties.
>
> This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia and her
> sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.
>
> For this I created a Phabricator task at:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
>
> Thanks!
> Romaine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Romaine Wiki]

That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here.
On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should be
added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual
interwikis existed.

And we have already received complaints why users do not get a message
after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.

Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps further
settings are possible.

At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are not
added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not added to
Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100 new
articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one wiki, and
a huge workload to get them added properly.

Romaine


2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker :

> Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
>
> This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't really
> feel comfortable with.  We don't expect people to add images to Commons
> when they write an article.  We don't expect people to include definitions
> in Wiktionary when they are using a word.  We don't expect people to be
> adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote.  For that matter,
> we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they review
> on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they add to
> Wikiquote.  So why would we set up any kind of expectation that people
> would add "data" to Wikidata?
>
> I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, bluntly put,
> isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add junk
> data to Wikidata.  Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing and
> improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we shouldn't be
> adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki  wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a
> better
> > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
> >
> > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are not
> > added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject exists.
> > Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is no
> > stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after the
> > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc) in
> > what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the first
> > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be better if
> > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay in
> > Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
> >
> > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
> properties
> > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further
> properties.
> >
> > This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia and
> her
> > sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.
> >
> > For this I created a Phabricator task at:
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Romaine
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[Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Romaine Wiki]

Hi all,

I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a better
integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.

Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are not
added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject exists.
Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is no
stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after the
creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc) in
what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the first
stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be better if
this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay in
Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.

A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of properties
(if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further properties.

This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia and her
sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.

For this I created a Phabricator task at:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070

Thanks!
Romaine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Happy 3rd Birthday, Wikidata!

[Redon Skikuli]

Happy Birthday Wikidata, from the growing Albanian community!

*---*

*Redon Skikuli*
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:29 AM, Lydia Pintscher <
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> Hey everyone :)
>
> Today we are celebrating Wikidata's 3rd birthday. I've been with the
> project since we started development 3.5 years ago and I can't believe
> what a ride it has been and how far we've come.
>
> As for every birthday celebrations are in order. We've created a page
> at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Third_Birthday. There you
> can find editorials (by Harmonia Amanda, Ash Crow and me) about the
> past year and what is coming. Please take a moment to read it. There
> you will also find a section for congratulations and wishes, presents
> and more.
>
> Here's to many more years of Wikidata. Stay as awesome as you are!
>
>
> Cheers
> Lydia
>
>
> PS: The development team has presents as well. I'll send an email
> about them in a few hours. Ohhh the suspense :D
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Risker]

Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?

This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't really
feel comfortable with.  We don't expect people to add images to Commons
when they write an article.  We don't expect people to include definitions
in Wiktionary when they are using a word.  We don't expect people to be
adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote.  For that matter,
we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they review
on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they add to
Wikiquote.  So why would we set up any kind of expectation that people
would add "data" to Wikidata?

I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, bluntly put,
isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add junk
data to Wikidata.  Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing and
improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we shouldn't be
adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.

Risker/Anne

On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a better
> integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
>
> Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are not
> added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject exists.
> Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is no
> stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after the
> creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc) in
> what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the first
> stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be better if
> this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay in
> Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
>
> A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of properties
> (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further properties.
>
> This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia and her
> sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.
>
> For this I created a Phabricator task at:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
>
> Thanks!
> Romaine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Risker]

This is where I disagree with you, Romaine.  I do believe my examples are
exactly right. We do not expect anyone to add information to any other
project when they create content on the project of their choice.  We have a
hard enough time recruiting contributors to any of our projects now, and
pressuring them to work on other projects at the same time is not the path
to volunteer satisfaction.

Consider that the hypothetical editor you mention, who writes five articles
a day, may really not have any interest in adding to Wikidata, Wikisource,
Wikiquote, etc.  Is there benefit in pressuring him to do so?  Or is it
more likely that he'll stop contributing to the Wikidata backlog by not
creating the articles in the first place?

On many of the larger projects, and in fact on many of the smaller ones
too, only registered, logged-in users can create articles. "Logged in" is
not a reasonable filter.  A preference to receive a reminder that Wikidata
is missing would work. But it should not automatically pop up whenever
someone creates an article, which is just as likely to annoy editors.

Risker/Anne

On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki  wrote:

> That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here.
> On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should be
> added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual
> interwikis existed.
>
> And we have already received complaints why users do not get a message
> after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.
>
> Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps further
> settings are possible.
>
> At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are not
> added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not added to
> Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100 new
> articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one wiki, and
> a huge workload to get them added properly.
>
> Romaine
>
>
> 2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker :
>
> > Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
> >
> > This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't really
> > feel comfortable with.  We don't expect people to add images to Commons
> > when they write an article.  We don't expect people to include
> definitions
> > in Wiktionary when they are using a word.  We don't expect people to be
> > adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote.  For that
> matter,
> > we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they review
> > on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they add to
> > Wikiquote.  So why would we set up any kind of expectation that people
> > would add "data" to Wikidata?
> >
> > I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, bluntly put,
> > isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add junk
> > data to Wikidata.  Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing and
> > improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we shouldn't be
> > adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
> >
> > Risker/Anne
> >
> > On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a
> > better
> > > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
> > >
> > > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are not
> > > added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject exists.
> > > Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is no
> > > stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after
> the
> > > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc) in
> > > what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the
> first
> > > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be better
> if
> > > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay in
> > > Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
> > >
> > > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
> > properties
> > > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further
> > properties.
> > >
> > > This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia and
> > her
> > > sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.
> > >
> > > For this I created a Phabricator task at:
> > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
> > >
> > > Thanks!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Leila Zia]

Hi Risker,

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Risker  wrote:

> We do not expect anyone to add information to any other
> project when they create content on the project of their choice.


I'm thinking the Insert Media option in VE: there, we are giving the editor
the option to upload Media to the article which in reality means uploading
Media to Commons if I'm not missing something. The workflow is very smooth,
and the Wikipedia editor does not need to know about Commons to follow the
flow.

Leila


> On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki  wrote:
>
> > That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here.
> > On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should be
> > added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual
> > interwikis existed.
> >
> > And we have already received complaints why users do not get a message
> > after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.
> >
> > Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps further
> > settings are possible.
> >
> > At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are not
> > added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not added
> to
> > Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100 new
> > articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one wiki,
> and
> > a huge workload to get them added properly.
> >
> > Romaine
> >
> >
> > 2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker :
> >
> > > Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
> > >
> > > This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't
> really
> > > feel comfortable with.  We don't expect people to add images to Commons
> > > when they write an article.  We don't expect people to include
> > definitions
> > > in Wiktionary when they are using a word.  We don't expect people to be
> > > adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote.  For that
> > matter,
> > > we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they
> review
> > > on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they add
> to
> > > Wikiquote.  So why would we set up any kind of expectation that people
> > > would add "data" to Wikidata?
> > >
> > > I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, bluntly
> put,
> > > isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add
> junk
> > > data to Wikidata.  Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing and
> > > improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we shouldn't
> be
> > > adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
> > >
> > > Risker/Anne
> > >
> > > On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a
> > > better
> > > > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
> > > >
> > > > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are
> not
> > > > added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject
> exists.
> > > > Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is
> no
> > > > stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after
> > the
> > > > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc)
> in
> > > > what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the
> > first
> > > > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be
> better
> > if
> > > > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay
> in
> > > > Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
> > > >
> > > > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
> > > properties
> > > > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further
> > > properties.
> > > >
> > > > This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia
> and
> > > her
> > > > sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.
> > > >
> > > > For this I created a Phabricator task at:
> > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Romaine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia - 3D Logo for printing

[Guillaume Paumier]

Hello Rodrigo,

On 29 October 2015 at 13:12, Rodrigo Padula
 wrote:
>
> Where can I find the source files of the 3d logo printed for the WMF offices?
>
> I'm planning a photo exhibition here in Brasil for WLE and WLM and I would 
> like to have that logo printed for our exhibition room.

There is more information about the 3D logo at
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Visual_identity_guidelines#toc-3dmodel
, and what is and isn't allowed.

The file itself is at
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_puzzle_globe_3D_render.zip
, in "Autodesk Maya" format.

HTH,

-- 
Guillaume Paumier

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Todd Allen]

If you've had some users requesting such a feature, could it perhaps be
added as an opt-in preference setting? I'd be very annoyed by such a
feature if it couldn't be disabled, and many might just be confused by it.
On Oct 29, 2015 2:08 PM, "Romaine Wiki"  wrote:

> That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here.
> On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should be
> added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual
> interwikis existed.
>
> And we have already received complaints why users do not get a message
> after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.
>
> Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps further
> settings are possible.
>
> At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are not
> added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not added to
> Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100 new
> articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one wiki, and
> a huge workload to get them added properly.
>
> Romaine
>
>
> 2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker :
>
> > Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
> >
> > This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't really
> > feel comfortable with.  We don't expect people to add images to Commons
> > when they write an article.  We don't expect people to include
> definitions
> > in Wiktionary when they are using a word.  We don't expect people to be
> > adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote.  For that
> matter,
> > we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they review
> > on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they add to
> > Wikiquote.  So why would we set up any kind of expectation that people
> > would add "data" to Wikidata?
> >
> > I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, bluntly put,
> > isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add junk
> > data to Wikidata.  Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing and
> > improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we shouldn't be
> > adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
> >
> > Risker/Anne
> >
> > On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a
> > better
> > > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
> > >
> > > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are not
> > > added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject exists.
> > > Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is no
> > > stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after
> the
> > > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc) in
> > > what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the
> first
> > > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be better
> if
> > > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay in
> > > Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
> > >
> > > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
> > properties
> > > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further
> > properties.
> > >
> > > This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia and
> > her
> > > sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.
> > >
> > > For this I created a Phabricator task at:
> > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Romaine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Raymond Leonard]

I am going to suggest something, but I have no idea of the development that
it will take.

Currently Visual Editor has Template forms. If Template data that has been
inputted into a form can be directed to be stored automatically in Wikidata
instead of Wikipedia, & that data is then pulled back into the page, I
believe this would be transparent to the editor.

Yours,
Peaceray

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Risker  wrote:

> This is where I disagree with you, Romaine.  I do believe my examples are
> exactly right. We do not expect anyone to add information to any other
> project when they create content on the project of their choice.  We have a
> hard enough time recruiting contributors to any of our projects now, and
> pressuring them to work on other projects at the same time is not the path
> to volunteer satisfaction.
>
> Consider that the hypothetical editor you mention, who writes five articles
> a day, may really not have any interest in adding to Wikidata, Wikisource,
> Wikiquote, etc.  Is there benefit in pressuring him to do so?  Or is it
> more likely that he'll stop contributing to the Wikidata backlog by not
> creating the articles in the first place?
>
> On many of the larger projects, and in fact on many of the smaller ones
> too, only registered, logged-in users can create articles. "Logged in" is
> not a reasonable filter.  A preference to receive a reminder that Wikidata
> is missing would work. But it should not automatically pop up whenever
> someone creates an article, which is just as likely to annoy editors.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki  wrote:
>
> > That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here.
> > On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should be
> > added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual
> > interwikis existed.
> >
> > And we have already received complaints why users do not get a message
> > after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.
> >
> > Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps further
> > settings are possible.
> >
> > At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are not
> > added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not added
> to
> > Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100 new
> > articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one wiki,
> and
> > a huge workload to get them added properly.
> >
> > Romaine
> >
> >
> > 2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker :
> >
> > > Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
> > >
> > > This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't
> really
> > > feel comfortable with.  We don't expect people to add images to Commons
> > > when they write an article.  We don't expect people to include
> > definitions
> > > in Wiktionary when they are using a word.  We don't expect people to be
> > > adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote.  For that
> > matter,
> > > we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they
> review
> > > on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they add
> to
> > > Wikiquote.  So why would we set up any kind of expectation that people
> > > would add "data" to Wikidata?
> > >
> > > I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, bluntly
> put,
> > > isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add
> junk
> > > data to Wikidata.  Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing and
> > > improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we shouldn't
> be
> > > adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
> > >
> > > Risker/Anne
> > >
> > > On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a
> > > better
> > > > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
> > > >
> > > > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are
> not
> > > > added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject
> exists.
> > > > Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is
> no
> > > > stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after
> > the
> > > > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc)
> in
> > > > what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the
> > first
> > > > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be
> better
> > if
> > > > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay
> in
> > > > Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
> > > >
> > > > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
> > > properties
> > > > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further
> > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia - 3D Logo for printing

[Pine W]

Hi Rodrigo,

If you're referring to the large puzzle ball, you'll probably want to talk
to Trademarks (cc'd here). You'll probably need a license from them, and
they may know how to connect you with the specific source files that you
want.

Pine

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Rodrigo Padula <
rodrigopad...@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:

> Hello guys,
>
>
> Where can I find the source files of the 3d logo printed for the WMF
> offices?
>
>
> I'm planning a photo exhibition here in Brasil for WLE and WLM and I would
> like to have that logo printed for our exhibition room.
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Rodrigo Padula
> Coordenador de Projetos
> Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa
> http://www,wikimedia.org.br
> 21 99326-0558
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[WereSpielChequers]

Hi Romaine,

Having bots that list tasks that need  doing is a great way to get things
done. But you need to think carefully who you target this work at. We do
have bots that tell editors when they've linked an article to a
disambiguation page, there is some logic in that as the person who added
the information is more likely to understand it and know which other
article it really should be added to. But for general gnomish work like
categorisation adding wikilinks and now migrating to wikidata, better I
suggest to create some category and try to recruit gnomes to do that work
en masse. Someone who creates a few dozen articles might not fancy learning
about wikidata, but a gnome who specialises in it might do many times that
amount of migration.

Remember the essence of crowd sourcing is to get lots of people to take on
the parts of the task that they want to do.

WSC


> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:04:58 -0700
> From: Raymond Leonard 
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Cc: Wikidata mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Magnus Manske]

I think it might just be a question of phrasing, actually.

"Check if your new topic already exists in other languages, and connect it
to those!
Or [click here] to start a new Wikidata item for your article, so other
language editions of Wikipedia can find it more easily!"

For Wikipedians, the purpose of Wikidata is not "because Wikidata". It is
added value to their own work; language links are an important part of this.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:33 PM Leila Zia  wrote:

> Hi Risker,
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Risker  wrote:
>
> > We do not expect anyone to add information to any other
> > project when they create content on the project of their choice.
>
>
> I'm thinking the Insert Media option in VE: there, we are giving the editor
> the option to upload Media to the article which in reality means uploading
> Media to Commons if I'm not missing something. The workflow is very smooth,
> and the Wikipedia editor does not need to know about Commons to follow the
> flow.
>
> Leila
>
>
> > On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki 
> wrote:
> >
> > > That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here.
> > > On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should
> be
> > > added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual
> > > interwikis existed.
> > >
> > > And we have already received complaints why users do not get a message
> > > after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.
> > >
> > > Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps further
> > > settings are possible.
> > >
> > > At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are not
> > > added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not
> added
> > to
> > > Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100
> new
> > > articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one wiki,
> > and
> > > a huge workload to get them added properly.
> > >
> > > Romaine
> > >
> > >
> > > 2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker :
> > >
> > > > Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
> > > >
> > > > This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't
> > really
> > > > feel comfortable with.  We don't expect people to add images to
> Commons
> > > > when they write an article.  We don't expect people to include
> > > definitions
> > > > in Wiktionary when they are using a word.  We don't expect people to
> be
> > > > adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote.  For that
> > > matter,
> > > > we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they
> > review
> > > > on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they
> add
> > to
> > > > Wikiquote.  So why would we set up any kind of expectation that
> people
> > > > would add "data" to Wikidata?
> > > >
> > > > I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, bluntly
> > put,
> > > > isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add
> > junk
> > > > data to Wikidata.  Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing
> and
> > > > improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we
> shouldn't
> > be
> > > > adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
> > > >
> > > > Risker/Anne
> > > >
> > > > On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a
> > > > better
> > > > > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
> > > > >
> > > > > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are
> > not
> > > > > added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject
> > exists.
> > > > > Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is
> > no
> > > > > stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that
> after
> > > the
> > > > > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen,
> etc)
> > in
> > > > > what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the
> > > first
> > > > > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be
> > better
> > > if
> > > > > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can
> stay
> > in
> > > > > Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
> > > > >
> > > > > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
> > > > properties
> > > > > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further
> > > > properties.
> > > > >
> > > > > This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia
> > and
> > > > her
> > > > > sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.
> > > > >
> > > > > For this I created a Phabricator task at:
> > > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > Romaine
> > > > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia - 3D Logo for printing

[Jan Ainali]

2015-10-29 22:15 GMT+01:00 Guillaume Paumier :

> Hello Rodrigo,
>
> On 29 October 2015 at 13:12, Rodrigo Padula
>  wrote:
> >
> > Where can I find the source files of the 3d logo printed for the WMF
> offices?
> >
> > I'm planning a photo exhibition here in Brasil for WLE and WLM and I
> would like to have that logo printed for our exhibition room.
>
> There is more information about the 3D logo at
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Visual_identity_guidelines#toc-3dmodel
> , and what is and isn't allowed.
>

That page is suggesting some sort of non-derivative variant (saying that
you should not  3d-print it in colour (also strangely specifying the metal
to silver, excluding more common 3d-printing metals such as aluminium or
stee, all the while there are pins in the Wikimedia Store that, judged by
the price, probably not are silver)). I thought the logo was under a CC
BY-SA license.

It is also strange that it does not allow printing it in, for instance a
blue plastic, to later paint white with black letters. Is there any special
meaning behind that or is it just vague wording? I.e. is it supposed to
target steps in the manufacturing process rather than the end result?


> The file itself is at
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_puzzle_globe_3D_render.zip
> , in "Autodesk Maya" format.
>

That file description page is unclear on the license. Could someone fix
that?

/Jan
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[Wikimedia-l] Enc: Re: Wikipedia - 3D Logo for printing

[Rodrigo Padula]

Thanks Pine,

I will talk to the trademarks team about what I have in mind.

I was wondering to print the logo in the same way of the logo fixed on the WMF 
Office walls.

Best regards

Rodrigo Padula
Coordenador de Projetos
Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa
http://www.wikimedia.org.br
21 99326-0558




 Em Qui, 29 Out 2015 18:52:25 -0200 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com 
escreveu  

Hi Rodrigo,

If you're referring to the large puzzle ball, you'll probably want to talk
to Trademarks (cc'd here). You'll probably need a license from them, and
they may know how to connect you with the specific source files that you
want.

Pine

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Rodrigo Padula 
rodrigopad...@wikimedia.org.br wrote:

 Hello guys,


 Where can I find the source files of the 3d logo printed for the WMF
 offices?


 I'm planning a photo exhibition here in Brasil for WLE and WLM and I would
 like to have that logo printed for our exhibition room.


 Best regards


 Rodrigo Padula
 Coordenador de Projetos
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[Wikimedia-l] Enc: Re: Wikipedia - 3D Logo for printing

[Rodrigo Padula]

Hello Guillaume,

I will download the file to evaluate what we can do here!

Thanks for your help.

Regards from Brasil!

Rodrigo Padula
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 Em Qui, 29 Out 2015 19:15:49 -0200 Guillaume 
Paumierguillaume.paum...@gmail.com escreveu  

Hello Rodrigo,

On 29 October 2015 at 13:12, Rodrigo Padula
rodrigopad...@wikimedia.org.br wrote:

 Where can I find the source files of the 3d logo printed for the WMF 
offices?

 I'm planning a photo exhibition here in Brasil for WLE and WLM and I would 
like to have that logo printed for our exhibition room.

There is more information about the 3D logo at
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Visual_identity_guidelines#toc-3dmodel
, and what is and isn't allowed.

The file itself is at
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_puzzle_globe_3D_render.zip
, in "Autodesk Maya" format.

HTH,

-- 
Guillaume Paumier

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[Wikimedia-l] Enc: Re: Wikipedia - 3D Logo for printing

[Rodrigo Padula]

Jan, that is not clear for me as well, probably the trademarks team can clarify 
it for us.

Rodrigo Padula
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 Em Qui, 29 Out 2015 20:21:21 -0200 Jan 
Ainalijan.ain...@wikimedia.se escreveu  

2015-10-29 22:15 GMT+01:00 Guillaume Paumier 
guillaume.paum...@gmail.com:

 Hello Rodrigo,

 On 29 October 2015 at 13:12, Rodrigo Padula
 rodrigopad...@wikimedia.org.br wrote:
 
  Where can I find the source files of the 3d logo printed for the WMF
 offices?
 
  I'm planning a photo exhibition here in Brasil for WLE and WLM and I
 would like to have that logo printed for our exhibition room.

 There is more information about the 3D logo at
 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Visual_identity_guidelines#toc-3dmodel
 , and what is and isn't allowed.


That page is suggesting some sort of non-derivative variant (saying that
you should not 3d-print it in colour (also strangely specifying the metal
to silver, excluding more common 3d-printing metals such as aluminium or
stee, all the while there are pins in the Wikimedia Store that, judged by
the price, probably not are silver)). I thought the logo was under a CC
BY-SA license.

It is also strange that it does not allow printing it in, for instance a
blue plastic, to later paint white with black letters. Is there any special
meaning behind that or is it just vague wording? I.e. is it supposed to
target steps in the manufacturing process rather than the end result?


 The file itself is at

 
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_puzzle_globe_3D_render.zip
 , in "Autodesk Maya" format.


That file description page is unclear on the license. Could someone fix
that?

/Jan
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Gnangarra]

While I agree that there is a necessity to link pages through Wikidata I'm
with Risker such a message would itself become a barrier to the creation of
content, we have enough of those already.  We are forgetting that the
people doing the edits do so as volunteers not paid employees, they do so
for various intrinsic reasons the majority of our developments over time
have been eroding those intrinsic reasons with greater complexities, rigid
demands and wikilawyering of policies you cant force volunteers to do what
you want the way you want when you want because ultimately they wont do
anything and that is what we have been seeing over the last 5 years with
editor decline.

It would be better to see skilled Wikidata people out in the communities
training and talking personally to contributors building the skill sets but
if such activity isnt your cup of tea then no matter how heavy handed you
get its just not going to get done or people will just walk away form the
whole .


On 30 October 2015 at 06:22, Magnus Manske 
wrote:

> I think it might just be a question of phrasing, actually.
>
> "Check if your new topic already exists in other languages, and connect it
> to those!
> Or [click here] to start a new Wikidata item for your article, so other
> language editions of Wikipedia can find it more easily!"
>
> For Wikipedians, the purpose of Wikidata is not "because Wikidata". It is
> added value to their own work; language links are an important part of
> this.
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:33 PM Leila Zia  wrote:
>
> > Hi Risker,
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Risker  wrote:
> >
> > > We do not expect anyone to add information to any other
> > > project when they create content on the project of their choice.
> >
> >
> > I'm thinking the Insert Media option in VE: there, we are giving the
> editor
> > the option to upload Media to the article which in reality means
> uploading
> > Media to Commons if I'm not missing something. The workflow is very
> smooth,
> > and the Wikipedia editor does not need to know about Commons to follow
> the
> > flow.
> >
> > Leila
> >
> >
> > > On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here.
> > > > On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should
> > be
> > > > added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual
> > > > interwikis existed.
> > > >
> > > > And we have already received complaints why users do not get a
> message
> > > > after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.
> > > >
> > > > Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps
> further
> > > > settings are possible.
> > > >
> > > > At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are
> not
> > > > added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not
> > added
> > > to
> > > > Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100
> > new
> > > > articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one
> wiki,
> > > and
> > > > a huge workload to get them added properly.
> > > >
> > > > Romaine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker :
> > > >
> > > > > Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't
> > > really
> > > > > feel comfortable with.  We don't expect people to add images to
> > Commons
> > > > > when they write an article.  We don't expect people to include
> > > > definitions
> > > > > in Wiktionary when they are using a word.  We don't expect people
> to
> > be
> > > > > adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote.  For that
> > > > matter,
> > > > > we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they
> > > review
> > > > > on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they
> > add
> > > to
> > > > > Wikiquote.  So why would we set up any kind of expectation that
> > people
> > > > > would add "data" to Wikidata?
> > > > >
> > > > > I also am concerned that people will add a new article that,
> bluntly
> > > put,
> > > > > isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add
> > > junk
> > > > > data to Wikidata.  Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing
> > and
> > > > > improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we
> > shouldn't
> > > be
> > > > > adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
> > > > >
> > > > > Risker/Anne
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata
> development: a
> > > > > better
> > > > > > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Every day 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update

[Pine W]

Fundraising folks, can we get an update in response to the concerns raised
in this thread?

Thanks,
Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Harvard Law Library Readies Trove of Decisions for Digital Age"

[FRED BAUDER]

The Harvard data base will be available to anyone after 8 years, and 
"Under the agreement with Harvard, the entire underlying database, not 
just limited search results, will be shared with nonprofit 
organizations and scholars that wish to develop specialized 
applications." That's us, if we can use it.


Fred Bauder

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 06:24:01 -0400
 "FRED BAUDER"  wrote:
I have started the article Ravel Law on en. Basic access is free to 
the public; however, we could ask for "professional" access which is 
offered free to "law students and legal academics"


Fred Bauder

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 00:48:51 -0700
 Pine W  wrote:

Good news for open access:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/us/harvard-law-library-sacrifices-a-trove-for-the-sake-of-a-free-database.html?_r=0

I hope that Wikimedians will get access to the collection via TWL. 
(:


Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Romaine Wiki]

Yes, exactly. :-)

2015-10-29 23:22 GMT+01:00 Magnus Manske :

> I think it might just be a question of phrasing, actually.
>
> "Check if your new topic already exists in other languages, and connect it
> to those!
> Or [click here] to start a new Wikidata item for your article, so other
> language editions of Wikipedia can find it more easily!"
>
> For Wikipedians, the purpose of Wikidata is not "because Wikidata". It is
> added value to their own work; language links are an important part of
> this.
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:33 PM Leila Zia  wrote:
>
> > Hi Risker,
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Risker  wrote:
> >
> > > We do not expect anyone to add information to any other
> > > project when they create content on the project of their choice.
> >
> >
> > I'm thinking the Insert Media option in VE: there, we are giving the
> editor
> > the option to upload Media to the article which in reality means
> uploading
> > Media to Commons if I'm not missing something. The workflow is very
> smooth,
> > and the Wikipedia editor does not need to know about Commons to follow
> the
> > flow.
> >
> > Leila
> >
> >
> > > On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here.
> > > > On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should
> > be
> > > > added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual
> > > > interwikis existed.
> > > >
> > > > And we have already received complaints why users do not get a
> message
> > > > after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.
> > > >
> > > > Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps
> further
> > > > settings are possible.
> > > >
> > > > At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are
> not
> > > > added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not
> > added
> > > to
> > > > Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100
> > new
> > > > articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one
> wiki,
> > > and
> > > > a huge workload to get them added properly.
> > > >
> > > > Romaine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker :
> > > >
> > > > > Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't
> > > really
> > > > > feel comfortable with.  We don't expect people to add images to
> > Commons
> > > > > when they write an article.  We don't expect people to include
> > > > definitions
> > > > > in Wiktionary when they are using a word.  We don't expect people
> to
> > be
> > > > > adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote.  For that
> > > > matter,
> > > > > we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they
> > > review
> > > > > on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they
> > add
> > > to
> > > > > Wikiquote.  So why would we set up any kind of expectation that
> > people
> > > > > would add "data" to Wikidata?
> > > > >
> > > > > I also am concerned that people will add a new article that,
> bluntly
> > > put,
> > > > > isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add
> > > junk
> > > > > data to Wikidata.  Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing
> > and
> > > > > improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we
> > shouldn't
> > > be
> > > > > adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
> > > > >
> > > > > Risker/Anne
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata
> development: a
> > > > > better
> > > > > > integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those
> are
> > > not
> > > > > > added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject
> > > exists.
> > > > > > Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there
> is
> > > no
> > > > > > stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that
> > after
> > > > the
> > > > > > creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen,
> > etc)
> > > in
> > > > > > what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In
> the
> > > > first
> > > > > > stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be
> > > better
> > > > if
> > > > > > this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can
> > stay
> > > in
> > > > > > Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
> > > > > properties
> > > > > > (if missing), like instance of, and based on this 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

[Romaine Wiki]

Hi,

We have tried it, but didn't work as in a small community this isn't
doable.

Romaine

2015-10-29 21:59 GMT+01:00 WereSpielChequers :

> Hi Romaine,
>
> Having bots that list tasks that need  doing is a great way to get things
> done. But you need to think carefully who you target this work at. We do
> have bots that tell editors when they've linked an article to a
> disambiguation page, there is some logic in that as the person who added
> the information is more likely to understand it and know which other
> article it really should be added to. But for general gnomish work like
> categorisation adding wikilinks and now migrating to wikidata, better I
> suggest to create some category and try to recruit gnomes to do that work
> en masse. Someone who creates a few dozen articles might not fancy learning
> about wikidata, but a gnome who specialises in it might do many times that
> amount of migration.
>
> Remember the essence of crowd sourcing is to get lots of people to take on
> the parts of the task that they want to do.
>
> WSC
>
>
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:04:58 -0700
> > From: Raymond Leonard 
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > Cc: Wikidata mailing list 
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development
> > Message-ID:
> > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update

[Andreas Kolbe]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Lisa Gruwell 
wrote:

> So, we have drilled down on this more in our research to better
> understand what our readers think on this topic.  We should have more to
> share on that in a week or two.
>


What readers think about this topic will very much depend on what
information they have been given.

You need to find out what readers think who know

1. the cost of Internet hosting relative to the total budget (about 3
percent);
2. that you took five times as much money last year as you took five years
ago;
3. how much money the Foundation has in cash and investments;
4. that the number of paid staff has increased more than twentyfold since
2007;
5. how the vastly increased spending is affecting reader experience.

Do you know what readers who know all of this think about the banners? Have
there been focus groups with donors who were given all of this information?

This is necessary to make sure that when (not if) readers do find all of
this information out, there won't be a storm of protest from people who
feel they were misled as to the Foundation's financial situation.
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