Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:10 PM Michael Peel wrote: > I remember reading Erik’s blog post a decade or so ago, which convinced me > that -NC was useless due to its ambiguity - where exactly is the line drawn > between what is commercial and what is not? I can’t find it now

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-07-11 Thread James Heilman
We all agree that NC licenses are exceedingly poor due to the reasons listed, yet we leave a lot of useful content (such as Khan academy videos) less accessible to our readers because we disallow any such use. Fair use has the same issues, in that fair use is decided on a cases by case basis. And

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-07-11 Thread Kat Walsh
This was brought up during the 4.0 drafting process, but it was ultimately rejected: https://creativecommons.org/2012/08/29/ongoing-discussions-noncommercial-and-noderivatives/ We also proposed renaming NC to "Commercial Rights Reserved" to make it clearer what NC does, but that too had

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi James :) (This is my last reply for today, given the recommended posting limit on this list.) > We all agree that NC licenses are exceedingly poor due to the reasons > listed, yet we leave a lot of useful content (such as Khan academy videos) > less accessible to our readers because we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-11 Thread effe iets anders
Jonatan: Implying that there's more secrecy than necessary, is unhelpful. I would dare say that if the policies that Andy is looking for exist (given his inquiry he's looking for a specific set), they should and would be available on meta. If that is not the case, that is more likely due to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-07-11 Thread James Heilman
Yes one of the stronger reasons to reject all use of the NC license is that it increases incentives for other organizations to actually adopt open licenses. I simply wish that such a position would convince more organizations. WHO has repeatedly told me that we, as a non-profit, are already free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-07-11 Thread Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
I always supported a more effective centralized policy for NC. I don't think that will discourage organizations from adopting more free license per se, the same way that adopting certain NC material on local Wikis did not so far. it's not an absolute consequence, it's how you do it. At least,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-11 Thread Aron Manning
On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 19:52, Jonatan Svensson Glad wrote: > 8. if an individual has been acting contrary to policy, what is the > process for reviewing and if necessary overturning their past actions > (including contacting and apologising to their correspondents)? > I’m unable to answer this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: [Wikitech-l] CI and Code Review

2020-07-11 Thread Aron Manning
*Cross-posting to wikitech-l as it's a topic related to development.* On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 23:01, Maarten Dammers wrote: > Of interest to the wider community. I really hope this is not part of a > larger pattern of the WMF ignoring community. > > Maarten I've had a great experience in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-11 Thread Aron Manning
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 10:48, Peter Southwood wrote: > Context is necessary to understand this. > If OTRS part of Wikipedia? I don't understand that question. The cited answer was received from . If not, Which ANI? > The OTRS volunteer referred to [[en:wp:ANI]]. Cheers, Aron On Sat, 11 Jul

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-11 Thread Peter Southwood
Context is necessary to understand this. If OTRS part of Wikipedia? If not, Which ANI? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Aron Manning Sent: 11 July 2020 09:23 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-11 Thread Peter Southwood
Quite possible I am mistaken, but I thought OTRS was separate from WP, which would make en:wp:ANI irrelevant. Chreers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Aron Manning Sent: 11 July 2020 10:55 To: Wikimedia Mailing

[Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi folks, Pete Forsyth wrote a new essay on the ambiguities of the NonCommercial ("non-commercial use only") provision in Creative Commons licenses, which I wanted to share in case it's helpful for folks making the case against using NC to cultural institutions or others (or in the occasionally

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-07-11 Thread Michael Peel
I remember reading Erik’s blog post a decade or so ago, which convinced me that -NC was useless due to its ambiguity - where exactly is the line drawn between what is commercial and what is not? I can’t find it now, but perhaps