The page is already overly long and in places impenetrable, and I speak as
a systems analyst with Agile development experience. A shift to plain
English might be useful and more care to avoid dropping in fringe jargon
like "Wiki markup is not Turing complete".
On 22 Aug 2014 01:39, "svetlana" wrot
BTW you should all love this idea:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_%28Product%29/Process_ideas#Get_local_consencus_for_your_changes
svetlana
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, at 12:12, MZMcBride wrote:
> Hi.
>
> The German Wikipedia has evaluated and decided against the default use of
> MediaViewer on its project (preferring opt-in, rather than opt-out). Erik
> has made it his mission to impose MediaViewer on the German Wikipedia
> using Wikimedia
It seems that poor (and insufficient) communication is a pretty widespread
problem at WMF.
Balazs
2014-08-12 13:25 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating :
> > Does either of you or anyone else see a valid reason to deny this
> > seemingly reasonable and considered request? It's quite obvious that
> hacks
> >
> Does either of you or anyone else see a valid reason to deny this
> seemingly reasonable and considered request? It's quite obvious that hacks
> to achieve the same ends are far from ideal. Why not simply disable
> MediaViewer by default on the German Wikipedia, as requested?
>
In my view, the t
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Dan Garry wrote:
> On 12 August 2014 02:39, svetlana wrote:
>>
>> There needs to be a central place, like the Wikimedia blog, but dedicated
>> to tech things - actively announcing everything WM ENGINEERING are doing,
>> both in products and in core.
>
>
> The
On 12 August 2014 02:39, svetlana wrote:
>
> There needs to be a central place, like the Wikimedia blog, but dedicated
> to tech things - actively announcing everything WM ENGINEERING are doing,
> both in products and in core.
There is. It's called the monthly report. See here for July's for
exa
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, at 22:40, MZMcBride wrote:
> phoebe ayers wrote:
> >I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start wars, and
> >particularly not on behalf of anyone or against individuals. We are all on
> >the same side here: trying to make the projects (and the project
> >int
Chris Keating wrote:
>In particular, I find it difficult to take people seriously when they're
>suggesting "solutions" like "disabling the German Wikipedia". I am more
>than a little surprised this even needs to be said.
Magnus Manske wrote:
>Strange. I seem to distinctly remember that, yesterday
brandon, erik is an intelligent person. and of course at the end persons
are acting, not organizations. if german elected community members,
trusted ones, think it is not good enough, why not just let it be? its easy
to get the reasons and act on it. wikipedia was and is community driven.
your sal
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Chris Keating
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A decision about how the public consumes Wikipedia content (e.g., Media
> > Viewer) is an editorial decision,
>
> and it's one that the WMF has chosen to
> > make unilaterally. WMF has furthermore moved to give its staff right
>
>
>
> A decision about how the public consumes Wikipedia content (e.g., Media
> Viewer) is an editorial decision,
and it's one that the WMF has chosen to
> make unilaterally. WMF has furthermore moved to give its staff rights that
> facilitate unilateral behavior in the future. But to the degree
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Brandon Harris
wrote:
>
> Erik is acting as an officer, not as an individual.
Brandon, it is not as clear-cut as you suggest, and the lack of clarity
originates at the Wikimedia Foundation.
The most explicit statement I've seen on this topic is then-Executive
D
I'm stating that the tone here implies that Erik is some weird overlord
who orders everyone around and we cower in fear and do His Bidding.
It's not true. If you want to be angry, be angry at the Foundation.
Targeting Erik (or Jan) specifically is a mistake.
On Aug 11, 2014,
Brandon,
Are you stating that Erik is not calling the shots here? If that's the
case, could someone please clarify who is in charge and asked for the new
right to be enabled?
On Aug 11, 2014 10:13 AM, "Brandon Harris" wrote:
>
> Your responses here are coming across as very personally ta
Your responses here are coming across as very personally targeted and
focused.
Attempting to demonize Erik is a mistake and clouds the issue. Erik is
acting as an officer, not as an individual.
On Aug 11, 2014, at 1:40 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Erik has decided to take a "migh
Guys,
This isn't a war, it's an argument on the internet. No-one is dying and
no-one is being shot at. No-one is even being arrested and I doubt anyone
has even been shouted at in person.
Can we please view this as what it is - a technical issue which can be
resolved - rather than throwing aroun
On Aug 11, 2014 1:57 AM, "phoebe ayers" wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:12 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> >
>
>
> > I'm interested to read others' views about options and ways forward
here.
>
>
>
> I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start wars, and
> particularl
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:12 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Using the title blacklist, the AbuseFilter
> extension, site-wide JavaScript and CSS, and other techniques, it's
> possible to fully disable reading and/or editing of the German Wikipedia
> until an amicable solution can be found.
>
>
> Strange.
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 10:12 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
>
>
> * Disabling editing and/or reading of the German Wikipedia, using a
> variety of tools. Erik's declaration of war makes this option viable, but
> it should likely be used only as a measure of last resort. If Erik is
> truly hell-bent on dam
If it is true that the software deployment of the visual editor is again
going hastily and with negative repercussions as a result, it is
disappointing that apparently nothing has been learned from the largest
failure of any software implementation in the Wikimedia movement ever: the
implementation
Hoi,
Please consider what the role of Erik is. He is responsible for the
technical infrastructure of the Wikimedia Foundation. The community has
wants and needs but does not have responsibility in the same manner.
When some people in the community want things that is not compatible with
implied re
phoebe ayers wrote:
>I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start wars, and
>particularly not on behalf of anyone or against individuals. We are all on
>the same side here: trying to make the projects (and the project
>interfaces, as a part of that) better. That includes, for ins
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, at 21:42, Chris Keating wrote:
> >
> > I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start wars, and
> > particularly not on behalf of anyone or against individuals. We are all on
> > the same side here: trying to make the projects (and the project
> > interfaces, a
>
> I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start wars, and
> particularly not on behalf of anyone or against individuals. We are all on
> the same side here: trying to make the projects (and the project
> interfaces, as a part of that) better. That includes, for instance, trying
One more option: wait for WMF to make wiki unbreakable and scriptable
*properly*, using something like Firefox's jetpack (which is fool proof)
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Anomie, if you have problems with how MediaWiki works and consider it
demagoguery,
the relevant venue is: <
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Establishing_a_hierarchy_of_bureaucrats
>
Phoebe, it's a pity you don't see it, when it's as big as the Tarpeian
Rock. MZ, can you help documenting thin
phoebe ayers skrev 2014-08-11 09:56:
We are all on the same side here: trying to make the projects (and the
project interfaces, as a part of that) better. .
I agree, we all want to to improve things. But with no criticism to any
individual , I do feel this again highlights my often stated stand
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:12 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I'm interested to read others' views about options and ways forward here.
I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start wars, and
particularly not on behalf of anyone or against individuals. We are all on
the s
Brad
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote:
> *Note these are entirely my own personal opinions as a community member and
> in no way at all represent anything official.*
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:12 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm interested to read others' views a
*Note these are entirely my own personal opinions as a community member and
in no way at all represent anything official.*
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:12 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
>
> I'm interested to read others' views about options and ways forward here.
>
People could realize that demagoguery and
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