Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Delphine Ménard
Hello Rover, I want to thank you and your team for so much work, and so much great work. This decision was difficult for everyone, and I am glad to see that it has come to a conclusion. I think it's important to know how to pause and breathe deeply sometimes. I am looking forward to seeing more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Chris Keating
Thanks to everyone who's participated in WMHK and in particular everyone involved in Wikimania 2013! Thank you for your efforts and best wishes to those aiming to move things forwards again. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Wong Rover wrote: > Hi all, > > On behalf of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Katie Chan
This particular decision has arguably been a long time coming, but I am sad that it has indeed happened. My best wishes to all Wikimedians in Hong Kong with whatever their plans are for the future. KTC On 08/02/2017 02:19, Kirill Lokshin wrote: Hi everyone, Recognition as a Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I am glad to see that the WMF is being rigorous in ensuring that the donors' money is being spent effectively and accountably by the affiliated organisations. Of course one does not expect a detailed narrative when the WMF deems it necessary to take action in this way since named individuals are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Wong Rover
Hi all, On behalf of WMHK, I would like to say something. Some may think it is pity that WMHK has been de-recognized. But the board of WMHK has actually already decided to disband the chapter. Although WMHK will cease to exist, I still hope the other chapters will continue to try their best in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread
Could we have a confirmation from AffCom that the list of formerly active affiliates on meta is "official", i.e. the definitive public reference list, and is maintained? * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Formerly_Active_Affiliates If it is officially maintained,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread James Heilman
Thanks Kirill In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than removing official affiliation until it is is simply common practice. James On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Gnangarra
​Agree the WMF staff dont always but the community/committee level does I have experienced it first hand, both personally and as a chapter there are policies written about not biting people so it happens all to regularly. Maybe there is also the influence of being isolated in Australia that we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi Gnangarra, Unlike user groups, which can meet reporting requirements simply by providing an annual report of activities, chapters are additionally required to publish a complete set of financial statements annually. Further, chapters that receive funds from any Wikimedia Foundation grant

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > Observation: When we place trust within the projects and the community it > appears that we like to grab the biggest stick possible to whack people > with it with at the first opportunity. I am not going to comment on this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Gnangarra
was writing my comment at the same time as Manuel, there is a local legal dimension in his comment that hasnt been brought up here that is there may be no ability to scale back to a Usergroup model, those dimensions will be different for every country but we need to also recognise that they exist

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Gnangarra
trying to understand the process as well as the why here, what I see at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports is that they havent supplied the 2015-16 report they report on the period 1 Jul to 30 Jun (same as WMAU). On September 9 2016 they were asked to furnish this report and given until 1

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Manuel Schneider
Salut Gilbert, a brief summary of the benefits, limits and expectations of chapters can be found here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Chapter_Summary_Matrix Apart from that has every chapter a Chapter Agreement which has more details. On top of that additional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-07 Thread Gilbert Conus
Hi, where is it possible to read this specific list of tasks in order to understand this email ? Regards, Gilbert Le 08.02.2017 à 03:19, Kirill Lokshin a écrit : Hi everyone, Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic organization, or user group — is a privilege

[Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-07 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi everyone, Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance