Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA 2015

[Rob]

Andrew Lih recorded our panel "Journalism and the Online Information
Community", but I'm not sure when/if that video will make it to the web.

I can't speak for the organizers, but it is my understanding that Gregory
Kohs was banned under the Safe Space policy, not because he was a critic.
Critics and even Wikipediocracy members were welcome to WikiConference.
Andreas Kolbe, for example, participated in our panel discussion and nobody
even hinted to either of us that he was not welcome.

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 4:41 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:

> Anthony Cole wrote:
> >I've been following the conference online and I congratulate the
> >organisers - some fascinating presentations and the videos are excellent.
> >A link to the videos:
> >
> >http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule
>
> A big thank you to all of the people involved in organizing and running
> this year's conference! I really enjoyed being able to have the National
> Archives as the venue and the conference itself was well-run and engaging.
>
> MZMcBride
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA 2015

[MZMcBride]

Anthony Cole wrote:
>I've been following the conference online and I congratulate the
>organisers - some fascinating presentations and the videos are excellent.
>A link to the videos:
>
>http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule

A big thank you to all of the people involved in organizing and running
this year's conference! I really enjoyed being able to have the National
Archives as the venue and the conference itself was well-run and engaging.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA 2015

[Nathan]

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Anthony Cole  wrote:

>
>
> 2) Greg Kohs was banned from attending. I think that was a mistake. He is a
> fierce critic of Jimmy Wales and Wikipedia. I am aware of the lines he has
> crossed in the past (and the seemingly sincere apologies). Notwithstanding
> those past crossed lines, and his propensity to walk very close to the edge
> of propriety today, he has a valid critique and, along with those of more
> temperate critics, his voice has a place in a truly comprehensive
> conversation about this project.
>
>
No one has replied to this, so I'll just say that I support the conference
organizers efforts to make conference events safe and comfortable for all
attendees. To me, safe is not a euphemism for censoring criticism; face to
face encounters inevitably involve the exchange of personal information,
and I can certainly understand why many people may hesitate to meet Greg in
person for that reason.

I don't know if this arrangement was contemplated for this year, but if
Greg or other critics with a difficult project history want to address
future conferences then perhaps the conference committee can consider
broadcasting taped remarks or videoconferencing sessions.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA 2015

[Pine W]

Hi Anthony,

The WCUSA2016 is likely to be somewhere between the start of June and the
end of September. We are trying to work around the dates for WMCON and
Wikimania. Also, because we may have a joint or parallel conference with
our friends at OpenStreetMap USA, we are trying to collaborate with them as
well. An option that we could all consider is having the possible English
WikiProject Medicine conference also run in parallel to WCONUSA; one of our
possible venues is the University of Washington which takes pride in its
medical school (and we are in the vicinity of the Gates Foundation), so we
may have a venue that would work for you as well if we get enough notice.

A community-wide calendar for events sounds like a great idea. There are
some ancient calendars on Meta. I'm pinging Luis to ask if the upcoming
development of the community portal can include an event calendar!

Pine
On Oct 12, 2015 12:28 PM, "Anthony Cole"  wrote:

> Thanks Pine. Would the 2016 conference be held at roughly the same time of
> year as the 2015? (We're discussing a possible "Wikimedia and Medicine"
> conference at the English Wikiproject Medicine, and wouldn't want to
> clash.)
>
> On that point, is there a central events calendar on Meta for planning and
> publicising these kinds of events?
>
> On Sunday, October 11, 2015, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Andrew and I are trying some ad hoc solutions for video. Last night I
> > watched the videos that I took with my camera that's designed more for
> > stills than video, and the video quality is disappointing IMO. Andrew's
> > videos are probably better because he has equipment that is purpose-built
> > for the job. I've sent some suggestions about video internally, and hope
> > that they'll be published on a "lessons learned" list.
> >
> > Next year it seems likely that Cascadia Wikimedians will host the
> > conference. As someone who is heavily invested in that group, I am
> hopeful
> > that we'll get good quality recordings of at least a majority of the
> > sessions in 2016.
> >
> > Pine
> > On Oct 11, 2015 2:35 AM, "Anthony Cole"  > > wrote:
> >
> > > :o) Thanks Keegan.
> > >
> > > This may be far too much to ask - I don't know anything about costs and
> > > technicalities - but will it be possible in the near future to set up a
> > > camera and some microphones at every session in these kinds of
> > conferences
> > > for people whose health, finances or other commitments prevent them
> from
> > > attending in person?
> > >
> > > On Sunday, October 11, 2015, Keegan Peterzell  > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Anthony Cole  > 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've been following the conference online and I congratulate the
> > > > organisers
> > > > > - some fascinating presentations and the videos are excellent. A
> link
> > > to
> > > > > the videos:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule
> > > > >
> > > > > I recommend Stuart Ray's insightful presentation at 4 hours 36
> > minutes
> > > on
> > > > > day two (Saturday 10th), addressing Wikipedia's problematical
> > > > relationship
> > > > > with experts.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ​Indeed!
> > > > ​
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A couple of points.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) I'd love to view or listen to a recording of the 45 minute
> > > > > panel discussion held in the Jefferson Room at 12:15 on Saturday,
> > > > > "Journalism and the Online Information Community: How Wikimedians
> > Cover
> > > > > Wikimedia." Was it recorded and will it eventually be put online?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ​The only official recordings are for the main hall. I attended the
> > > > session, I'll be more than happy to relate how it went for you
> > (Anthony,
> > > or
> > > > others as needed) off-list​
> > > >
> > > > ​this coming week if you like/time zones line-up.
> > > >
> > > > {{Nutshell|Wikipedia/Wikimedia is really complicated, and journalists
> > > often
> > > > take the "easy way out" for publication because of the complexity.
> > > > Wikimedians can do better in distributing news for external
> > publication,
> > > > and same publications should take care to understand what is being
> > > > reported. The Signpost needs help.}}
> > > > ​
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ~Keegan
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
> > > >
> > > > This is my personal email address. Everything sent from this email
> > > address
> > > > is in a personal capacity.
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> > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA 2015

[Anthony Cole]

Thanks Pine. Would the 2016 conference be held at roughly the same time of
year as the 2015? (We're discussing a possible "Wikimedia and Medicine"
conference at the English Wikiproject Medicine, and wouldn't want to clash.)

On that point, is there a central events calendar on Meta for planning and
publicising these kinds of events?

On Sunday, October 11, 2015, Pine W  wrote:

> Andrew and I are trying some ad hoc solutions for video. Last night I
> watched the videos that I took with my camera that's designed more for
> stills than video, and the video quality is disappointing IMO. Andrew's
> videos are probably better because he has equipment that is purpose-built
> for the job. I've sent some suggestions about video internally, and hope
> that they'll be published on a "lessons learned" list.
>
> Next year it seems likely that Cascadia Wikimedians will host the
> conference. As someone who is heavily invested in that group, I am hopeful
> that we'll get good quality recordings of at least a majority of the
> sessions in 2016.
>
> Pine
> On Oct 11, 2015 2:35 AM, "Anthony Cole"  > wrote:
>
> > :o) Thanks Keegan.
> >
> > This may be far too much to ask - I don't know anything about costs and
> > technicalities - but will it be possible in the near future to set up a
> > camera and some microphones at every session in these kinds of
> conferences
> > for people whose health, finances or other commitments prevent them from
> > attending in person?
> >
> > On Sunday, October 11, 2015, Keegan Peterzell  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Anthony Cole  
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've been following the conference online and I congratulate the
> > > organisers
> > > > - some fascinating presentations and the videos are excellent. A link
> > to
> > > > the videos:
> > > >
> > > > http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule
> > > >
> > > > I recommend Stuart Ray's insightful presentation at 4 hours 36
> minutes
> > on
> > > > day two (Saturday 10th), addressing Wikipedia's problematical
> > > relationship
> > > > with experts.
> > > >
> > >
> > > ​Indeed!
> > > ​
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > A couple of points.
> > > >
> > > > 1) I'd love to view or listen to a recording of the 45 minute
> > > > panel discussion held in the Jefferson Room at 12:15 on Saturday,
> > > > "Journalism and the Online Information Community: How Wikimedians
> Cover
> > > > Wikimedia." Was it recorded and will it eventually be put online?
> > > >
> > >
> > > ​The only official recordings are for the main hall. I attended the
> > > session, I'll be more than happy to relate how it went for you
> (Anthony,
> > or
> > > others as needed) off-list​
> > >
> > > ​this coming week if you like/time zones line-up.
> > >
> > > {{Nutshell|Wikipedia/Wikimedia is really complicated, and journalists
> > often
> > > take the "easy way out" for publication because of the complexity.
> > > Wikimedians can do better in distributing news for external
> publication,
> > > and same publications should take care to understand what is being
> > > reported. The Signpost needs help.}}
> > > ​
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~Keegan
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
> > >
> > > This is my personal email address. Everything sent from this email
> > address
> > > is in a personal capacity.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA 2015

[Pine W]

Andrew and I are trying some ad hoc solutions for video. Last night I
watched the videos that I took with my camera that's designed more for
stills than video, and the video quality is disappointing IMO. Andrew's
videos are probably better because he has equipment that is purpose-built
for the job. I've sent some suggestions about video internally, and hope
that they'll be published on a "lessons learned" list.

Next year it seems likely that Cascadia Wikimedians will host the
conference. As someone who is heavily invested in that group, I am hopeful
that we'll get good quality recordings of at least a majority of the
sessions in 2016.

Pine
On Oct 11, 2015 2:35 AM, "Anthony Cole"  wrote:

> :o) Thanks Keegan.
>
> This may be far too much to ask - I don't know anything about costs and
> technicalities - but will it be possible in the near future to set up a
> camera and some microphones at every session in these kinds of conferences
> for people whose health, finances or other commitments prevent them from
> attending in person?
>
> On Sunday, October 11, 2015, Keegan Peterzell 
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Anthony Cole  > > wrote:
> >
> > > I've been following the conference online and I congratulate the
> > organisers
> > > - some fascinating presentations and the videos are excellent. A link
> to
> > > the videos:
> > >
> > > http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule
> > >
> > > I recommend Stuart Ray's insightful presentation at 4 hours 36 minutes
> on
> > > day two (Saturday 10th), addressing Wikipedia's problematical
> > relationship
> > > with experts.
> > >
> >
> > ​Indeed!
> > ​
> >
> >
> > >
> > > A couple of points.
> > >
> > > 1) I'd love to view or listen to a recording of the 45 minute
> > > panel discussion held in the Jefferson Room at 12:15 on Saturday,
> > > "Journalism and the Online Information Community: How Wikimedians Cover
> > > Wikimedia." Was it recorded and will it eventually be put online?
> > >
> >
> > ​The only official recordings are for the main hall. I attended the
> > session, I'll be more than happy to relate how it went for you (Anthony,
> or
> > others as needed) off-list​
> >
> > ​this coming week if you like/time zones line-up.
> >
> > {{Nutshell|Wikipedia/Wikimedia is really complicated, and journalists
> often
> > take the "easy way out" for publication because of the complexity.
> > Wikimedians can do better in distributing news for external publication,
> > and same publications should take care to understand what is being
> > reported. The Signpost needs help.}}
> > ​
> >
> > --
> > ~Keegan
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
> >
> > This is my personal email address. Everything sent from this email
> address
> > is in a personal capacity.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA 2015

[Jane Darnell]

Thanks for that link Anthony - can't wait for the transcript to be added (I
tried grabbing it off streamtext but couldn't).  Stuart Ray lists several
things we know we should work on but don't: article ownership, deletions of
primary sources, only zero or negative feedback for valuable contributions,
COI policies for experts. I also liked his suggestions, and if you are
interested in the one about a controlled interface for adding good
information, see Sydney Poore's presentation the day before.

Sydney did a great job presenting her work for the Cochrane initiative and
I loved hearing about the link updates for existing medical articles on
English Wikipedia. Article creations in low-traffic areas are problematic,
but article updates may be even a bigger problem. What would be great is if
we could get this link-vetting solution working for other languages as
well.

Her presentation at WIkiCon USA in D.C. yesterday is here (fast forward to
about 5 hours in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj6U22uJzGM

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Anthony Cole  wrote:

> I've been following the conference online and I congratulate the organisers
> - some fascinating presentations and the videos are excellent. A link to
> the videos:
>
> http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule
>
> I recommend Stuart Ray's insightful presentation at 4 hours 36 minutes on
> day two (Saturday 10th), addressing Wikipedia's problematical relationship
> with experts.
>
> A couple of points.
>
> 1) I'd love to view or listen to a recording of the 45 minute
> panel discussion held in the Jefferson Room at 12:15 on Saturday,
> "Journalism and the Online Information Community: How Wikimedians Cover
> Wikimedia." Was it recorded and will it eventually be put online?
>
> 2) Greg Kohs was banned from attending. I think that was a mistake. He is a
> fierce critic of Jimmy Wales and Wikipedia. I am aware of the lines he has
> crossed in the past (and the seemingly sincere apologies). Notwithstanding
> those past crossed lines, and his propensity to walk very close to the edge
> of propriety today, he has a valid critique and, along with those of more
> temperate critics, his voice has a place in a truly comprehensive
> conversation about this project.
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA 2015

[Anthony Cole]

:o) Thanks Keegan.

This may be far too much to ask - I don't know anything about costs and
technicalities - but will it be possible in the near future to set up a
camera and some microphones at every session in these kinds of conferences
for people whose health, finances or other commitments prevent them from
attending in person?

On Sunday, October 11, 2015, Keegan Peterzell  wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Anthony Cole  > wrote:
>
> > I've been following the conference online and I congratulate the
> organisers
> > - some fascinating presentations and the videos are excellent. A link to
> > the videos:
> >
> > http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule
> >
> > I recommend Stuart Ray's insightful presentation at 4 hours 36 minutes on
> > day two (Saturday 10th), addressing Wikipedia's problematical
> relationship
> > with experts.
> >
>
> ​Indeed!
> ​
>
>
> >
> > A couple of points.
> >
> > 1) I'd love to view or listen to a recording of the 45 minute
> > panel discussion held in the Jefferson Room at 12:15 on Saturday,
> > "Journalism and the Online Information Community: How Wikimedians Cover
> > Wikimedia." Was it recorded and will it eventually be put online?
> >
>
> ​The only official recordings are for the main hall. I attended the
> session, I'll be more than happy to relate how it went for you (Anthony, or
> others as needed) off-list​
>
> ​this coming week if you like/time zones line-up.
>
> {{Nutshell|Wikipedia/Wikimedia is really complicated, and journalists often
> take the "easy way out" for publication because of the complexity.
> Wikimedians can do better in distributing news for external publication,
> and same publications should take care to understand what is being
> reported. The Signpost needs help.}}
> ​
>
> --
> ~Keegan
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
>
> This is my personal email address. Everything sent from this email address
> is in a personal capacity.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA 2015

[Keegan Peterzell]

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Anthony Cole  wrote:

> I've been following the conference online and I congratulate the organisers
> - some fascinating presentations and the videos are excellent. A link to
> the videos:
>
> http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule
>
> I recommend Stuart Ray's insightful presentation at 4 hours 36 minutes on
> day two (Saturday 10th), addressing Wikipedia's problematical relationship
> with experts.
>

​Indeed!
​


>
> A couple of points.
>
> 1) I'd love to view or listen to a recording of the 45 minute
> panel discussion held in the Jefferson Room at 12:15 on Saturday,
> "Journalism and the Online Information Community: How Wikimedians Cover
> Wikimedia." Was it recorded and will it eventually be put online?
>

​The only official recordings are for the main hall. I attended the
session, I'll be more than happy to relate how it went for you (Anthony, or
others as needed) off-list​

​this coming week if you like/time zones line-up.

{{Nutshell|Wikipedia/Wikimedia is really complicated, and journalists often
take the "easy way out" for publication because of the complexity.
Wikimedians can do better in distributing news for external publication,
and same publications should take care to understand what is being
reported. The Signpost needs help.}}
​

-- 
~Keegan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan

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is in a personal capacity.
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA 2015

[Anthony Cole]

I've been following the conference online and I congratulate the organisers
- some fascinating presentations and the videos are excellent. A link to
the videos:

http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule

I recommend Stuart Ray's insightful presentation at 4 hours 36 minutes on
day two (Saturday 10th), addressing Wikipedia's problematical relationship
with experts.

A couple of points.

1) I'd love to view or listen to a recording of the 45 minute
panel discussion held in the Jefferson Room at 12:15 on Saturday,
"Journalism and the Online Information Community: How Wikimedians Cover
Wikimedia." Was it recorded and will it eventually be put online?

2) Greg Kohs was banned from attending. I think that was a mistake. He is a
fierce critic of Jimmy Wales and Wikipedia. I am aware of the lines he has
crossed in the past (and the seemingly sincere apologies). Notwithstanding
those past crossed lines, and his propensity to walk very close to the edge
of propriety today, he has a valid critique and, along with those of more
temperate critics, his voice has a place in a truly comprehensive
conversation about this project.



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