Hi Gerard, (and everyone else)
I’m a newbie here and this is my first email - so Wikihello!
Adding to your point, and SJ’s great list of positive things to do:
Yes, it seems that in-person events are necessary. But has anyone questioned
constructively this assumption and tried to design a
Hoi,
For me this is a negative approach, it is all about costs and there is no
consideration of benefits. When you consider a conference with over 100
people, you CANNOT replace it by digital means. You will not have the
conversations made possible by being there in person and getting to meet
Hi,
I'm glad that this conversation is going in a positive direction.
I have spent the last several days contemplating that after the events of
this summer, if I see WMF in any way associated with a surprise, I get a
stress headache and wonder what new problem has started. If I had a more
On 23/09/2019 18:41, Bence Damokos wrote:
In fact, there are countless offset projects in the $1-$15/tonne range, as
well:https://offset.climateneutralnow.org/allprojects
The total offsetting budget would not need to be too enourmous, yet it
could be impactful.
Best regards,
Bence
Hello
I would love to try doing this for the upcoming North American
Wikiconference.
What are examples of events you've participated in that did this well?
SJ
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:15 AM Gabriel Thullen
wrote:
> Maybe we can (as a movement) can invest more of our resources in the
> development
In fact, there are countless offset projects in the $1-$15/tonne range, as
well: https://offset.climateneutralnow.org/allprojects
The total offsetting budget would not need to be too enourmous, yet it
could be impactful.
Best regards,
Bence
On Mon, 23 Sep 2019, 18:28 Henry Wood, wrote:
>
Surely it doesn't really matter who within the organisation is racking
up the CO2? More important is the fact that the Foundation
acknowleges itself responsible for about 2,000 tonnes of CO2 emission.
At an offset price around $100/tonne, presumably we may expect that as
an interim measure, WMF
Maybe we can (as a movement) can invest more of our resources in the
development of video conferencing and filming the presentations. Most
volunteers are simple users, the are not necessarily computer techs, which
means that we need to develop a "plug-and-play" method of participating.
That been
Hello,
I totally support Illario words: "if the option is to pay 500 long travels
for scholarships by flight to attend a single event or to pay 500 travels
for the staff of WMF to attend several regional conferences, the answer
will be in favor of the second option which is more sustainable and
For work groups experience tells a first meting IRL to get to know each
other is necessary, but after that video conference works well.
For big events, why not have groups (40-50 persons) get together on
local level with excellent on-line facilities (wide screens etc) that
connects to all
Imagine a world where instead of going through security for 2 or 3
hours, flying for 4 hours and travelling by train and bus to get to
and from airports in order to enjoy a physical meeting with fellow
Wikimedians, you simply got a bus or train and travelled for an hour
to a fun meeting place
I don't know but if the option is to pay 500 long travels for scholarships
by flight to attend a single event or to pay 500 travels for the staff of
WMF to attend several regional conferences, the answer will be in favor of
the second option which is more sustainable and more efficient.
I have
This probably goes too far of this thread, but judging from another thread
where attendance complain that no C-level WMF executive attended the French
language conference, people expect from Wikimania not so much the talks
(which I guess by now are available online anyway), but a chance of meeting
Is it, perhaps, that the value a lot of people derive from these events is
not just the conference itself, but the ability to meet fellow Wikimedians
face-to-face and make meaningful contacts and even friendships that may
never otherwise have come about? I'm all about virtual, but there is value
Yes
We dont give all scholarships for that reason while for regional Wikicon we
receive more requests and we fill the amount immediately.
It's not an opinion that in our events people prefer to arrive by train and
not by flight. We see it as soon we receive the expenses report and when we
ask
We used to regularly raise the issue of a lack of active
videoconferencing at Wikimania. Though we (Wikimedians) are highly
technically literate, we still do not host virtual attendees, such as
3D virtual conferencing and claim it a win if we release video streams
of some of the presentations.
I am a Swiss member, and I did go to Wikimania (and did a small
presentation).
I think that you need to clarify you statement:
"In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania because people
would not do long trips."
When looking up what was sais for Wikimania 2019 I read:
"Wikimedia
Anyways this is perceived by the community.
In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania because people
would not do long trips.
IMHO the problem is these big events.
For this reason we prefer to give more scholarships for regional wikicon
than to Wikimania.
This is the reason why
When I visited it, yes, the message could be dismissed.
Todd
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:53 PM Dennis During wrote:
> Does anyone know whether the screen allowed a user to click through?
>
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 1:25 PM Fæ wrote:
>
> > A screenshot has been uploaded to
> >
> >
>
Does anyone know whether the screen allowed a user to click through?
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 1:25 PM Fæ wrote:
> A screenshot has been uploaded to
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF_global_climate_strike_banner_2019.png
> .
>
> Unfortunately, though web.archive.org has snapshots of
A screenshot has been uploaded to
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF_global_climate_strike_banner_2019.png.
Unfortunately, though web.archive.org has snapshots of the website,
these do not appear to render the banner as it displayed in a browser
on the day.
Fae
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Hi,
Does anyone have a screenshot of the page with this banner? Or a
link to an online archive? Or at least the banner itself?
sasha.
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 9:54 PM Dennis During wrote:
>
> I couldn't get onto WP or en.wikt shortly after I had heard about the MW
> participation in the
I couldn't get onto WP or en.wikt shortly after I had heard about the MW
participation in the strike. I jumped to an apparently wrong conclusion.
Sorry.
I am glad that the availability of free knowledge for all was not disrupted.
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 3:19 AM Todd Allen wrote:
> As far as I
As far as I can tell, only the Foundation wiki is showing the strike
message. That particular one is pretty much theirs to do as they like with.
If they started doing that to any other wikis without their agreement,
well, then we'd have a problem. But so long as it's only the WMF wiki
itself, I
Have thousands of volunteers really been involved assembling
https://wikimediafoundation.org?
/Jan Ainali
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 02:45 Dennis During wrote:
> I am profoundly disappointed that WMF employees don't value the mission.
> Instead they seem to simply follow fashion and force users
I am profoundly disappointed that WMF employees don't value the mission.
Instead they seem to simply follow fashion and force users and volunteers
to follow their fashionable methods of advocacy. They use their monopoly
power to deny free access to the world's knowledge that many thousands of
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 4:00 PM Robert Fernandez
wrote:
> I think we could drastically lower our carbon footprint by not using
> community digital resources to beat the same dead horse for a billionth
> time.
>
I laughed out loud.
AND. I love that the WMF joined the strike, and have some
I think we could drastically lower our carbon footprint by not using
community digital resources to beat the same dead horse for a billionth
time.
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I have a few comments.
While I appreciate the sentiment, I wouldn't have put the
wikimediafoundation.org domain "on strike", just as I wouldn't have put a
government agency's website "on strike". I think that some discussion of
climate change would be fine, but I think that WMF's action here is
If we are discussing such things, why do not we are discussing whether WMF
employees are driving to the work or taking public transportation? Or
chapter employees? Or volunteers? Or whether volunteers switch off the
light when they leave a room (I actually do)?
I really do not think this is a
Sure, but it seems more realistic than calculating the CO2
contributions from the management team compared to all the other
employees.
At the end of the day, how many flights the executive team take as
part of their jobs, and working out whether they are flying less or
more in 2019 compared to
Because # of flights is not a useful metric for assessing environmental
impact.
Seddon
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 3:23 PM Fæ wrote:
> Those publications are where my numbers came from. There is no useful
> transparency to explain how many actual flights are taken, why or by whom.
>
> Fae
>
> On
Those publications are where my numbers came from. There is no useful
transparency to explain how many actual flights are taken, why or by whom.
Fae
On Fri, 20 Sep 2019, 15:17 Lucas Werkmeister,
wrote:
> Did you see the sustainability report that was published yesterday [1]
> [2]? Page 30 of
Did you see the sustainability report that was published yesterday [1]
[2]? Page 30 of the PDF has some numbers on business travel by air –
some 5.6 million km in total, by the looks of it. Page 32 also shows
that the carbon footprint of air travel is about half that of the
electricity used by the
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Except, that's probably not statistically true.
If the management team is responsible for 50
Except, that's probably not statistically true.
If the management team is responsible for 50% of air travel, then the
figures from the environmental impact survey indicate that amounts to
15% of the entire contribution to CO2 emissions for the WMF. However
you reframe or spin the WSJ article, the
I'm more interested in the numbers for the WMF as a whole. One CEO does not
make an emissions problem, and in a global-reaching organization I'd hope
that the CEO would be flying around a bit. Focusing on the ten or so
executives at the Foundation seems like a sensational approach rather than
a
Nice to see that https://wikimediafoundation.org has a banner linking
to the global climate strike today.
Can anyone produce some verifiable metrics that the WMF has taken
significant action to reduce the total number of aircraft flights the
WMF uses?
I am asking as though there are no
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