Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

GerardM writes: > With Wikipedia Zero people have access to knowledge that they would not > have otherwise. It is well established that having information readily > available is an important indicator for further development. Not having > Wikipedia available is absolutely a worse situation than ha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

If only my emails were wiki-editable. Thanks for the correction regarding my affiliation. "Seems to me that in its current form it's just going to drag along---Zero either needs a clear procedural rethink or it needs to be would down." The only two possible choices, eh? --Mike On Wed, Apr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Er, Mike, this is a minor point but your signature seems to indicate that you were general counsel for over a millennium---very impressive! Personally I think that Zero should be evaluated from an impact perspective. While it's indisputable that it's strategically aligned with the WMF mission, if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Dear Gerard, your arguments are just emotional rhetorics. Saying that "white, privileged and well educated" people aren't allowed to critize ways how first-world-led telecoms (like Orange, Telenor) are spreading a wrong, non-open "internet" in developing countries is just plain emotional rhetoric

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Hi Jens, In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then? Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the dark? We talk of a "more sustainable way to bring free knowledge (which is far more than Wikipedia)”, yet we’re not seeing anything coming out

[Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

Jens, Why do you say net neutrality has anything to do with price? It's about best-effort delivery of packets without censorship or, for example, treating packets that say "do you want to join our radical fundamentalist agnostic cell," the same way as we treat packets that say, "do you want to sub

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

Dear James, your praising of WP0 surely deserves or even needs an appropiated answer, but as I can't see my answering mail to Gerard's input from yesterday published in this mailinglist so I will wait until this "moderated". When I see that my email with the answer to Gerard is published in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

Jens - your reply to Gerard on the other thread (where it is surely off topic) was published a couple of hours ago. On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Jens Best wrote: > Dear James, > > your praising of WP0 surely deserves or even needs an appropiated answer, > but as I can't see my answering mail

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

On 15-04-01 01:06 PM, Jens Best wrote: > I will take the time to explain you why [I believe] net neutrality > is more than you suggest and why [I think] we need to be a > little bit less starry-eyed [than I believe we are] when > it comes to the reasons why telecoms are behaving sooo nice > to Wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

On Apr 1, 2015 6:03 PM, "Josh Lim" wrote: > > Hi Jens, > > In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then? Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the dark? We talk of a "more sustainable way to bring free knowledge (which is far more than Wikipedi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

Hi Nathan and everybody, Last time I checked my mail (containing my repsonse to Gerard) wasn't published and as I sent it yesterday morning I'm suprised that it took that long to "arrive". Also, I would like you to stop your wrong assumptions about "off-topic" - As Gerard made a statement to Wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

To me Josh's point in the other thread settles this argument. I can't presume to know better than the people this service is made for what is good for them. People in other cultures have values as well. They might be different than ours, but more importantly, they have to be pitted against constrai

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Signpost, 1 April 2015

(reminder: This is a prank, for "April Fools Day". Please feel free to ignore this issue entirely, or at any rate don't waste your time responding to this or getting upset/excited by it.) A. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Wikipedia Signpost < wikipediasignp...@gmail.com> wrote: > News and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Gilles Dubuc wrote: > To me Josh's point in the other thread settles this argument. I can't > presume to know better than the people this service is made for what is > good for them. People in other cultures have values as well. They might be > different than ours,

[Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

Dear movement fellows, Impact is crucial for our movement, and although metrics will always be imperfect, we must strive to reinvent ourselves and always come up with new innovative ways of measuring what we bring to the Wikimedia projects, to free knowledge, and to human society. Measuring impa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote: > This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels, > encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels. That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are equally valuable. Surely, you should be also assigning weights to pixels

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Hi Josh et al., as you seemed a bit upset, I want to take the chance to answer you to better understand my position. Taking your "brutal honesty" into account I will try to be the same. I wasn't sure especially about that point in the discussion, because my knowledge about the access situations a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

Dear Nathan et al. I answered Josh in the other threat but will copy my answer to him again here below so that anybody interested to continue can do this in the "right" threat. Nathan, I am disgusted by your comparisons. "colonialist aspect"? "little reminiscent of European Christian missionaries

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

2015-04-01 22:09 GMT+02:00 Marc A. Pelletier : > On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote: > > This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels, > > encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels. > > That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are > equally valuab

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

what Josh Lim wrote in the other threat: Hi Jens, In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then? Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the dark? We talk of a "more sustainable way to bring free knowledge (which is far more than Wikipedia)”, yet

[Wikimedia-l] CIS-A2K draft work plan for July 2015 to June 2016

Dear Wikimedians, We are happy to share with you the draft work plans for the period July 2015 to June 2016 [1]. We have more or less followed the same work plan templates from last year. Some of these plans have been done in consultation with the community members. We look forward to receivin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

On 15-04-01 03:57 PM, Jens Best wrote: > For me (and other students) "going online" wasn't cheap back in the 90s Perhaps the date is the issue here, but is this some attempt at humour? "Wasn't cheap"? Are you seriously comparing your student lifestyle with the socioeconomic reality of the people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Signpost, 1 April 2015

Well, I was really excited about the Sister project news... :-( (but I think it's a pretty neat joke) Aubrey On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:10 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > (reminder: This is a prank, for "April Fools Day". Please feel free to > ignore this issue entirely, or at any rate don't waste you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

As always, every tool is developed thinking about Wikipedia and Commons, never all the other sister projects! What about those poor pixels? Are they different from Commons pixels??!?!!1! Luckily, today the WMF said otherwise: see the "Sister projects" news here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

They are not free pixels. Only real free pixels deserve to be counted. Le 1 avr. 2015 23:00, "Andrea Zanni" a écrit : > As always, every tool is developed thinking about Wikipedia and Commons, > never all the other sister projects! > What about those poor pixels? > Are they different from Common

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Signpost, 1 April 2015

It's nice that someone in the movement still has a sense of humour. Did you see the English Wikipedia's TFA box? "Support running as a straight ornithology article, with no attempt t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

I give this project FF out of a possible FF. On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Christophe Henner < christophe.hen...@gmail.com> wrote: > They are not free pixels. > > Only real free pixels deserve to be counted. > Le 1 avr. 2015 23:00, "Andrea Zanni" a écrit : > > > As always, every tool

[Wikimedia-l] This Month in Education: March 2015

Hello everyone, Sorry for cross posting. I'm sending the new issue of This Month in Education. This month witnessed holding a lot of WikiWomen related events which has received a lot of media coverage. You will find some of the event coverage here as well as the updates of successful programs arou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote: >> This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels, >> encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels. > > That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are > equall

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

I love today. On Apr 1, 2015 5:28 PM, "quiddity" wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Marc A. Pelletier > wrote: > > On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote: > >> This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels, > >> encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels. > > > > Th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

OK, you say 'There must be another way to work for the value of "free knowledge for the people"', so what is it? Peter (also in the global south) -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jens Best Sent:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

Everybody always tries to get rid of the content pixels because they beat up the other pixels, but I tell you what, if you don't give those content creator pixels what they want they're going to take their RGB and go home and THEN where will your silly little projects be without any content pixels,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

Lol j aime pierre selim!! On Apr 1, 2015 11:52 PM, "Katherine Casey" wrote: > Everybody always tries to get rid of the content pixels because they beat > up the other pixels, but I tell you what, if you don't give those content > creator pixels what they want they're going to take their RGB and g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

Dear Pierre-Selim, I look forward to discussing this new metric at the Wikimedia Conference. I might even take photographs of the deliberations and upload them to Commons in order to improve my personal pixel metric. Have you figured out a way to translate pixels into multiple languages? I hope

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > It should be noted that the Federal Communications Commission, in its > recent Report and Order requiring network neutrality for American > telcos and service providers, expressly refused to draw a categorical > conclusion whether zero-rated s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Tanweer Morshed wrote: > Welcome to Kourosh! Wikimedians around the world have already been creating > partnerships under various programs including GLAMs and with universities, > institutions etc. This is rational from the sense that this new department > (Strat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Anders Wennersten wrote: > I can agree on the dilemma you present. > > But would not a better solution then the close down on Wikipedia Zero, be > to close down the projects that is not run "compatible with the values > underlying the idea of a free and open web"?

[Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

Andreas writes: "Prominent organisations campaigning for a free and open web very strongly disagree with your view." I said there are no facts, and you responded by citing opinion pieces. That's cool, but opinions are not themselves facts. Furthermore, in some circles, I've been considered from

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

[Resubmitted with some HTML stuff removed, I hope.] Andreas writes: "Prominent organisations campaigning for a free and open web very strongly disagree with your view." I said there are no facts, and you responded by citing opinion pieces. That's cool, but opinions are not themselves facts. Fur