Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Per A.J. Andersson, 18/06/2013 18:05:

Many thanks for the resumé. I thought it would be like this, as I've
followed the development of the different wikipedias (content and key
factors) since 2008. BTW, is there a (searchable) list archive?


http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/
More info at 
There is a summary at 
, 
where I added some links a few days ago including 



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Per A.J. Andersson]

Many thanks for the resumé. I thought it would be like this, as 
I've followed the development of the different wikipedias 
(content and key factors) since 2008. BTW, is there a 
(searchable) list archive?


Best of wishes,
/Per

2013-06-18, 17:29, skrev Nathan:


Hi Per,

The discussions on this list can be heated, and not everyone is always
on their best behavior. All the caveats of debate on the Internet
apply, and any personality problems you might encounter on Wikimedia
projects occur on the lists as well. This is particularly so when, as
in this case, the topic has been debated for many years without real
resolution.

~Nathan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[David Gerard]

On 18 June 2013 16:53, David Cuenca  wrote:

> great to take advantage of the opportunity to monitor changes in the sv-wp
> community as a result of this massive automated article creation.
> For me it would be interesting to know:

[suggestions for metrics]

> Otherwise the same arguments are going to be repeated over and over again,
> year after year, without ever reaching a conclusion, or without ever
> learning which impact those articles might have.


+1


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Per A.J. Andersson]

2013-06-18, 06:34, skrev Hubertl:

Loosing our original idea for which this project is donated by 
thousands of donaters! From which you are paid for. As an 
unpaid, long term Wikipedian in Residence I do know what I´m 
talking about.


Hello!

I'm interested in knowing more of your experience (as a WiR) in 
relation to our current topics. Do you have a link to relevant 
data och texts/reports?


Many thanks in advance,
/Per
Wikipedia user Paracel63


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[David Cuenca]

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Anders Wennersten  wrote:

> The base fact figures for sv:wp is
> Increase of views +23% on yearly basis, WM:DE +3, WMF:Fr +8 (all mature
> wikipediauser communities), nl with +14 and wm:it with +16 also very good
> figures (Spain Russia, and Portugal still in a built up phase have higher
> numbers) http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/**TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined**
> .htm 
>
> Editor >1 and >5 somewhat up or stable, new editor up in Jan, Feb, March,
> but down in April (eastertime)
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaSV.htm


Instead of just discussing this topic as always has been done, it would be
great to take advantage of the opportunity to monitor changes in the sv-wp
community as a result of this massive automated article creation.

For me it would be interesting to know:
1) current perception in the community about automated articles correlated
with the number of contributions by the person answering.
2) impact of the newly created articles: views, human edits done to those
articles (specially nr of bytes added), correlation with nr of previous
edits
3) changes in the community after 1 year, survey of new members, of those,
how many registered after seeing a bot article vs how many after seeing a
human-created article?
4) some metrics about the article quality (maybe with AFT)

Otherwise the same arguments are going to be repeated over and over again,
year after year, without ever reaching a conclusion, or without ever
learning which impact those articles might have.

Cheers,
Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Nathan]

Hi Per,

The discussions on this list can be heated, and not everyone is always
on their best behavior. All the caveats of debate on the Internet
apply, and any personality problems you might encounter on Wikimedia
projects occur on the lists as well. This is particularly so when, as
in this case, the topic has been debated for many years without real
resolution.

~Nathan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Per A.J. Andersson]

I am a bit suprised about the lack of trying to understand and 
develop mindsets here. I joined this mailing list the other day 
in the belief that it was directed at discussing current topics 
in the Wikimedia community in a constructive manner. So far I 
have not found overwhelming proof of this.


Hopefully I can be proved wrong.

Best of wishes,
Per
Wikipedia user Paracel63

2013-06-18, 09:32, skrev Federico Leva (Nemo):


Anders Wennersten, 18/06/2013 09:00:

I am happy to see that you, as well as Hubertl, is happy to go on as you
always have done. I do not have the ambition to change your view on
life, [...]


To clarify, my view on life didn't include any item about bot 
article creation last time I checked.
There's also nothing I "always have done" on this topic, as far 
as I remember: I'm just observing global patterns in our wikis. 
I really don't care about single instances of the patterns, 
especially when I can't do anything about them.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Anders Wennersten, 18/06/2013 09:00:

I am happy to see that you, as well as Hubertl, is happy to go on as you
always have done. I do not have the ambition to change your view on
life, [...]


To clarify, my view on life didn't include any item about bot article 
creation last time I checked.
There's also nothing I "always have done" on this topic, as far as I 
remember: I'm just observing global patterns in our wikis. I really 
don't care about single instances of the patterns, especially when I 
can't do anything about them.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Anders Wennersten]

I am happy to see that you, as well as Hubertl, is happy to go on as you 
always have done. I do not have the ambition to change your view on 
life, but to reach out to others open to the new opportunities that 
automation gives us in better reahing our aim free knowledge for all


The base fact figures for sv:wp is
Increase of views +23% on yearly basis, WM:DE +3, WMF:Fr +8 (all mature 
wikipediauser communities), nl with +14 and wm:it with +16 also very 
good figures (Spain Russia, and Portugal still in a built up phase have 
higher numbers) 
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm


Editor >1 and >5 somewhat up or stable, new editor up in Jan, Feb, 
March, but down in April (eastertime) 
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaSV.htm


For my statement though I base it on that I 24/7 monitor ALL edits 
(there is around 50 in 15 min, 500 on 2,5 h, longer during night). And I 
have observed the effect of introducing our lakearticles (these are  
made up from three sources containing more then 100 different items of 
data, see for example 
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_%C3%B6ver_insj%C3%B6ar_i_Ljungby_kommun 
where you can pick any or from the googlemap can find any from its 
place). And here I find after these are created a flur of new edits in 
old articles (as well as these) many from earlier more passive 
contributers users, and even some new. And there are photo safaris now 
being discussed to take photos of some of all these lakes (we find that 
to work with articles close to your home seems to be very simulating)


Anders

Federico Leva (Nemo) skrev 2013-06-18 08:05:

Hubertl, 18/06/2013 07:00:

Hi Johan, Anders Wennersten says:

And as shown earlier we have learned that this actually helps recruting
and keeping editors

???

It is difficult to draw conclusions about user behavior. The more
difficult it is to say something about the behavior of persons, which
are not yet detectable part of the community.

Because it's probably the most difficulty to make predictions about
facts that take place in the future.


Well, sv.wiki has just volunteered to be your guinea pig as the first 
botpedia after Volapuk. :) I think it will be possible to make at 
least some simple stats like how many new editors we got with first 
edit on one of these articles, what's their retention etc.
If the experiment fails, we may see mass-deletion of a million bot 
articles in a few years: it wouldn't be the first time, deleting is 
very easy.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Hubertl, 18/06/2013 07:00:

Hi Johan, Anders Wennersten says:

And as shown earlier we have learned that this actually helps recruting
and keeping editors

???

It is difficult to draw conclusions about user behavior. The more
difficult it is to say something about the behavior of persons, which
are not yet detectable part of the community.

Because it's probably the most difficulty to make predictions about
facts that take place in the future.


Well, sv.wiki has just volunteered to be your guinea pig as the first 
botpedia after Volapuk. :) I think it will be possible to make at least 
some simple stats like how many new editors we got with first edit on 
one of these articles, what's their retention etc.
If the experiment fails, we may see mass-deletion of a million bot 
articles in a few years: it wouldn't be the first time, deleting is very 
easy.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Hubertl]

Am 16.06.2013 15:24, schrieb Johan Jönsson:


I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of human
editors at all in any way.


Hi Johan, Anders Wennersten says:

And as shown earlier we have learned that this actually helps recruting 
and keeping editors


???

It is difficult to draw conclusions about user behavior. The more 
difficult it is to say something about the behavior of persons, which 
are not yet detectable part of the community.


Because it's probably the most difficulty to make predictions about 
facts that take place in the future.


h



A couple of people run bots that create very

short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest, probably
wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few readers.
Why on Earth would this discourage us?

Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the "random
article" button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably fixable.

//Johan Jönsson
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Hubertl]

Hi Anders, you wrote:

> And as shown earlier we have learned that this actually
> helps recruting and keeping editors

Do you have any prove for that or is this just a speculation or your 
personal wishes? Does this mean that the Swedish community precisely 
because this botwork has - against the general trend - no loss of authors?


I know very well what it means to attract new authors and to retain 
them. But I also know that it is not because of automated welcome bots, 
but mostly with personal contact.


By this logic, any other Wikipedias, which even have a higher proportion 
of automated generated articles will get even more new authors.


If this is all true, I would change my mind immediately!

hu

Am 17.06.2013 12:43, schrieb Anders Wennersten:

In the beginning there were a mass of article created manually that was
substandard and which today would not be accepted as proper articles

A little later (several year ago now) a mass of articles were
botgenerated that were substandard and could not be seen as proper
wp:articles

We have since long learned how to write good articles created by our
editors.

We are just now, on a few wikiepdiaverisons, learning how to create good
articles by bots, that give both facts, content, context and knowledge
(also using the new new valuable tool Wikidata  which is a good
component but not all that is needed)

I am proud to be active in one of these versions mastering this new
intellectual challenge, of huge value in providing free knowledge for all.

And as shown earlier we have learned that this actually helps recruting
and keeping editors

Anders


Hubertl skrev 2013-06-17 12:09:

Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys

Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots.

An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to
breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge.

If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best
way to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of
authors.

Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are
stored in a most possible stupid form.

I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts
without understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something
about knowledge, understanding and correlations.

Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now?

Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers?

Hubertl!

The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated
by a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many
people will leave this project. With certainty.

Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys!

Am 16.06.2013 14:51, schrieb Nurunnaby Chowdhury:

Congratulations swedish wikipedians

*Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive*
Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Network Foundation
(OKFN)
Auto-confirmed, Reviewer & Roll backer Editor | Bangla
Wikipedia
Treasurer & Coordinator (PR) | Bangladesh Open Source Network
(BdOSN)
Coordinator (PR) | Society for the Popularization of Science, Bangladesh
(SPSB) *
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(BdMO)
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On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:


grattis mina kompisar!
*Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...*

It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles

wittylama.com
Peace, love & metadata


On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan  wrote:


Congratulations!!!

Tonmoy
On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, "Patricio Lorente"

wrote:


Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians!

2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten :

Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing

was a

bot

generated article of a butterfly
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata.

The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the

database

Catalogue of Life
http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which
(complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5

million

species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has

generated

just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...

The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board
http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and

is

in his

civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest
lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the

last

couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in
Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and

supporting

their local community, and he is now running his bot on their

wikipedia

as

well as on th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Hubertl]

Hi Asaf, did you read my mail or is this an automated answer because of 
using the word monkey? Or is this a just a try like an official muzzle?


Really rude for me is, when some Wikipedians think, they have to start 
a professional service company for transporting simple facts without 
efforts to transport and support knowlede to and from people. Especially 
if it turns out that these facts in not so few cases are wrong, as Kurt 
Kulac has already been demonstrated.


Loosing our original idea for which this project is donated by thousands 
of donaters! From which you are paid for. As an unpaid, long term 
Wikipedian in Residence I do know what I´m talking about.


With actions like this, we destroy our sources! All these facts are 
available right now openly. Why do we need these facts as a simple copy 
in Wikipedia? With no additional benefit? Except a dubious rise of so 
named articles.


Wikipedia also has the charm of imperfection, which I certainly 
appreciate. The same imperfection, which is inherent to the people who 
will accomplish this tasks together with us.


Unfortunately there are some people who think that everything imperfect 
must be destroyed. But we will never ever reach this perfection. Just as 
we can never be perfect by ourselves. In a world that is constantly 
changing.


On your personal page on the foundation site, you cite Epictetus:

I will reply with Epictetus too:

No thing great is created suddenly, any more than a bunch of grapes or a 
fig. If you tell me that you desire a fig, I answer you that there must 
be time. Let it first blossom, then bear fruit, then ripen.



h.

Am 17.06.2013 22:27, schrieb Asaf Bartov:

Hubertl, your e-mail was rude, even if you did not mean it to be.  Please
remember hundreds of people read every e-mail sent to this list, and
civility is expected.

Thanks,

Asaf


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Per A.J. Andersson  wrote:


Hi!

Nice to know German language Wikipedia is full of sane people. Good for
you.

But maybe you don't need bots, so that's your decision. (You do not need
infoboxes either, as I see it, and that's also your decision. Lsjbot makes
infoboxes, among other things.)

Yes, a larger database is more of a burden to support than a smaller one.
Our experience at svwp is that automated help does not take away from the
human part of the user community. Personally I think a larger database of
comparable quality (built by any method) makes for a larger footprint = a
greater chance of catching new editors. Wikipedia did that for me.

My view on it is that larger communities can sustain and maintain a
certain database easier than smaller communities. Wikipedia communities to
a large extent depend on the language size surrounding it. We already have
automation around us at several levels, and there are editing tools that
make for faster editing – by humans. The use of these are seldom questioned.


Best of wishes,
/Per A.J. Andersson
user Paracel63 at svwp
(carbon-based lifeform from Sweden)

2013-06-17, 12:09, skrev Hubertl:


  Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys


Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots.

An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to
breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge.

If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best
way to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of
authors.

Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are
stored in a most possible stupid form.

I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts without
understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something about
knowledge, understanding and correlations.

Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now?

Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers?

Hubertl!

The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated by
a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many people will
leave this project. With certainty.

Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys!





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Asaf Bartov]

Hubertl, your e-mail was rude, even if you did not mean it to be.  Please
remember hundreds of people read every e-mail sent to this list, and
civility is expected.

Thanks,

   Asaf


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Per A.J. Andersson  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Nice to know German language Wikipedia is full of sane people. Good for
> you.
>
> But maybe you don't need bots, so that's your decision. (You do not need
> infoboxes either, as I see it, and that's also your decision. Lsjbot makes
> infoboxes, among other things.)
>
> Yes, a larger database is more of a burden to support than a smaller one.
> Our experience at svwp is that automated help does not take away from the
> human part of the user community. Personally I think a larger database of
> comparable quality (built by any method) makes for a larger footprint = a
> greater chance of catching new editors. Wikipedia did that for me.
>
> My view on it is that larger communities can sustain and maintain a
> certain database easier than smaller communities. Wikipedia communities to
> a large extent depend on the language size surrounding it. We already have
> automation around us at several levels, and there are editing tools that
> make for faster editing – by humans. The use of these are seldom questioned.
>
>
> Best of wishes,
> /Per A.J. Andersson
> user Paracel63 at svwp
> (carbon-based lifeform from Sweden)
>
> 2013-06-17, 12:09, skrev Hubertl:
>
>
>  Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys
>>
>> Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots.
>>
>> An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to
>> breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge.
>>
>> If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best
>> way to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of
>> authors.
>>
>> Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are
>> stored in a most possible stupid form.
>>
>> I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts without
>> understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something about
>> knowledge, understanding and correlations.
>>
>> Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now?
>>
>> Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers?
>>
>> Hubertl!
>>
>> The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated by
>> a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many people will
>> leave this project. With certainty.
>>
>> Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys!
>>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Per A.J. Andersson]

Hi!

Nice to know German language Wikipedia is full of sane people. 
Good for you.


But maybe you don't need bots, so that's your decision. (You do 
not need infoboxes either, as I see it, and that's also your 
decision. Lsjbot makes infoboxes, among other things.)


Yes, a larger database is more of a burden to support than a 
smaller one. Our experience at svwp is that automated help does 
not take away from the human part of the user community. 
Personally I think a larger database of comparable quality 
(built by any method) makes for a larger footprint = a greater 
chance of catching new editors. Wikipedia did that for me.


My view on it is that larger communities can sustain and 
maintain a certain database easier than smaller communities. 
Wikipedia communities to a large extent depend on the language 
size surrounding it. We already have automation around us at 
several levels, and there are editing tools that make for faster 
editing – by humans. The use of these are seldom questioned.


Best of wishes,
/Per A.J. Andersson
user Paracel63 at svwp
(carbon-based lifeform from Sweden)

2013-06-17, 12:09, skrev Hubertl:


Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys

Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots.

An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best 
way to breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge.


If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar 
the best way to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the 
permanent loss of authors.


Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere 
facts are stored in a most possible stupid form.


I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts 
without understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn 
something about knowledge, understanding and correlations.


Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now?

Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers?

Hubertl!

The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was 
generated by a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place 
in de:WP, many people will leave this project. With certainty.


Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys!




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Matthew Roth]

We just published a blog post from Lennart Guldbransson on the Wikimedia
blog about this milestone:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/17/swedish-wikipedia-1-million-articles/


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:

> The use of wikidata instead of a bot is a good practice to provude good
> contant to all wikipedias because larger communities can control and fix
> errors instead of providing content by a bot and keep it outdated.
> Il giorno 17/giu/2013 15:53, "Gerard Meijssen" 
> ha scritto:
>
> > Hoi,
> >
> > Please consider  there are over 280 Wikipedias in as many languages.
> In
> > many languages we have few articles. Providing information is our
> mission.
> > We aim to provide well written articles. The argument is that we do not
> > succeed at that. Actually it is not an argument, it is a fact. When the
> > Germans feel they do not need bot generated articles, more power to them,
> > when they assume that their example is to be copied I truly wonder if
> they
> > understand the lack of resources in so many languages.
> >
> > It is fairly easy to find articles that are considered relevant to a
> > sizable group of the German populace that are missing.. I am working
> > towards providing this information by using Wikidata. The best part (for
> > the Germans) is that I urge them to make sure that these articles exist
> and
> > are well written .. in German.
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> > PS I blogged about how this can be done several times in the past
> >
> >
> > On 17 June 2013 15:43, Dimce Grozdanoski  > >wrote:
> >
> > > On 17.06.2013 12:36, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 16/06/13 15:24, Johan Jönsson wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> 2013/6/16 Ilario Valdelli 
> > >>>
> >  I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish
> is
> >  due
> >  to a work of bots and to a work of people.
> > 
> >  It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which
> would
> >  have
> >  more people and more contributors.
> > 
> >  The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia
> but
> >  also
> >  by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia.
> > 
> >  May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope
> >  that
> >  in future the number of articles will be counted considering at
> least
> > a
> >  small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like
> >  this
> >  will discourage the communities of editors.
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of
> > human
> > >>> editors at all in any way. A couple of people run bots that create
> very
> > >>> short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest,
> probably
> > >>> wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few
> > >>> readers.
> > >>> Why on Earth would this discourage us?
> > >>>
> > >>> Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the "random
> > >>> article" button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably
> fixable.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I am again using the opportunity to remind that all of this will soon
> be
> > >> completely unnecessary since it should be possible to generate the
> > articles
> > >> on the fly from Wikidata data.
> > >>
> > >>  you mean to generate on the fly only articles of this kind, not any
> > > article.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Ilario Valdelli]

The use of wikidata instead of a bot is a good practice to provude good
contant to all wikipedias because larger communities can control and fix
errors instead of providing content by a bot and keep it outdated.
Il giorno 17/giu/2013 15:53, "Gerard Meijssen" 
ha scritto:

> Hoi,
>
> Please consider  there are over 280 Wikipedias in as many languages. In
> many languages we have few articles. Providing information is our mission.
> We aim to provide well written articles. The argument is that we do not
> succeed at that. Actually it is not an argument, it is a fact. When the
> Germans feel they do not need bot generated articles, more power to them,
> when they assume that their example is to be copied I truly wonder if they
> understand the lack of resources in so many languages.
>
> It is fairly easy to find articles that are considered relevant to a
> sizable group of the German populace that are missing.. I am working
> towards providing this information by using Wikidata. The best part (for
> the Germans) is that I urge them to make sure that these articles exist and
> are well written .. in German.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> PS I blogged about how this can be done several times in the past
>
>
> On 17 June 2013 15:43, Dimce Grozdanoski  >wrote:
>
> > On 17.06.2013 12:36, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> >
> >> On 16/06/13 15:24, Johan Jönsson wrote:
> >>
> >>> 2013/6/16 Ilario Valdelli 
> >>>
>  I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is
>  due
>  to a work of bots and to a work of people.
> 
>  It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would
>  have
>  more people and more contributors.
> 
>  The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but
>  also
>  by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia.
> 
>  May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope
>  that
>  in future the number of articles will be counted considering at least
> a
>  small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like
>  this
>  will discourage the communities of editors.
> 
> >>>
> >>> I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of
> human
> >>> editors at all in any way. A couple of people run bots that create very
> >>> short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest, probably
> >>> wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few
> >>> readers.
> >>> Why on Earth would this discourage us?
> >>>
> >>> Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the "random
> >>> article" button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably fixable.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I am again using the opportunity to remind that all of this will soon be
> >> completely unnecessary since it should be possible to generate the
> articles
> >> on the fly from Wikidata data.
> >>
> >>  you mean to generate on the fly only articles of this kind, not any
> > article.
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,

Please consider  there are over 280 Wikipedias in as many languages. In
many languages we have few articles. Providing information is our mission.
We aim to provide well written articles. The argument is that we do not
succeed at that. Actually it is not an argument, it is a fact. When the
Germans feel they do not need bot generated articles, more power to them,
when they assume that their example is to be copied I truly wonder if they
understand the lack of resources in so many languages.

It is fairly easy to find articles that are considered relevant to a
sizable group of the German populace that are missing.. I am working
towards providing this information by using Wikidata. The best part (for
the Germans) is that I urge them to make sure that these articles exist and
are well written .. in German.
Thanks,
 GerardM

PS I blogged about how this can be done several times in the past


On 17 June 2013 15:43, Dimce Grozdanoski wrote:

> On 17.06.2013 12:36, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
>
>> On 16/06/13 15:24, Johan Jönsson wrote:
>>
>>> 2013/6/16 Ilario Valdelli 
>>>
 I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is
 due
 to a work of bots and to a work of people.

 It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would
 have
 more people and more contributors.

 The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but
 also
 by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia.

 May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope
 that
 in future the number of articles will be counted considering at least a
 small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like
 this
 will discourage the communities of editors.

>>>
>>> I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of human
>>> editors at all in any way. A couple of people run bots that create very
>>> short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest, probably
>>> wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few
>>> readers.
>>> Why on Earth would this discourage us?
>>>
>>> Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the "random
>>> article" button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably fixable.
>>>
>>
>> I am again using the opportunity to remind that all of this will soon be
>> completely unnecessary since it should be possible to generate the articles
>> on the fly from Wikidata data.
>>
>>  you mean to generate on the fly only articles of this kind, not any
> article.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Dimce Grozdanoski]

On 17.06.2013 12:36, Nikola Smolenski wrote:

On 16/06/13 15:24, Johan Jönsson wrote:

2013/6/16 Ilario Valdelli 
I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish 
is due

to a work of bots and to a work of people.

It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which 
would have

more people and more contributors.

The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia 
but also

by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia.

May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope 
that

in future the number of articles will be counted considering at least a
small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like 
this

will discourage the communities of editors.


I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of human
editors at all in any way. A couple of people run bots that create very
short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest, probably
wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few 
readers.

Why on Earth would this discourage us?

Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the "random
article" button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably fixable.


I am again using the opportunity to remind that all of this will soon 
be completely unnecessary since it should be possible to generate the 
articles on the fly from Wikidata data.



you mean to generate on the fly only articles of this kind, not any article.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Balázs Viczián]

I am totally supportive of the idea to create articles in this way if they
are more than a simple infobox with 5-6 stats in it. The bot generated form
[1] of the millionth Swedish article is where these bot generated articles
can start from; a useful stub. If we take seriously this "collect the sum
of all knowledge" bla bla, then absolutely ok to generate such articles,
moreover it should be done wherever, whenever possible (like with the
Swedish lakes).

Having zillions of articles will generate a lot of new editors from the
simple fact that more people will have chance (and larger chance) to bump
into wiki articles while browsing the internet. Or in an easier form:
Wikipedia will reach more people by cover more and more topics in a more an
more detailed form.

The first problem, you mention is who will maintain them. Well, probably
those who join through this massive expansion; who are already interested
in butterflies and actively learning about them on the net. Or those who
find their favourite fishing lake on Wiki and add some pictures and a bit
more detailed info about them.

The other problem what you're describing is that all of these future new
editors will be "unqualified" (ni your wording "idiots") while all the
chapters are heavily working on "creating" qualified editors through their
various education programs.

My question is: is this really a problem? How many of you joined Wikipedia
after being "educated" how to edit and stuff and how many of you joined by
"bumping" into articles so many times that you've eventually started
editing them? How many of you started as "idiots"?

I did.

Balázs

[1]
http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erysichton_elaborata&oldid=21735451



2013/6/17 Hubertl 

> Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys
>
> Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots.
>
> An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to
> breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge.
>
> If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best way
> to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of authors.
>
> Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are
> stored in a most possible stupid form.
>
> I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts without
> understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something about
> knowledge, understanding and correlations.
>
> Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now?
>
> Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers?
>
> Hubertl!
>
> The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated by
> a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many people will
> leave this project. With certainty.
>
> Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys!
>
> Am 16.06.2013 14:51, schrieb Nurunnaby Chowdhury:
>
>  Congratulations swedish wikipedians
>>
>> *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive*
>> Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Network Foundation
>> (OKFN)
>> Auto-confirmed, Reviewer & Roll backer Editor | Bangla
>> Wikipedia
>> >
>> Treasurer & Coordinator (PR) | Bangladesh Open Source Network
>> (BdOSN)
>> Coordinator (PR) | Society for the Popularization of Science, Bangladesh
>> (SPSB) *
>> *Central Team MOVers | Bangladesh Mathematical Olympiad Committee
>> (BdMO)>
>> Facebook: fb.com/nhasive | Twitter:
>> @nhasive>|
>> Skype: nhasive |
>> www.nhasive.com
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:
>>
>>  grattis mina kompisar!
>>> *Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...*
>>>
>>> It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number:
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_**
>>> 000.2B_articles
>>>
>>> wittylama.com
>>> Peace, love & metadata
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Congratulations!!!

 Tonmoy
 On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, "Patricio Lorente" >>> >
 wrote:

  Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians!
>
> 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten :
>
>> Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing
>>
> was a
>>>
 bot
>
>> generated article of a butterfly
>> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Erysichton_elaborata
>> .
>>
>> The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the
>>
> database
>
>> Catalogue of Life
>> http://www.catalogueoflife.**org/services/res/2011AC_**26July.zipwhich
>> (complemented by other da

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Anders Wennersten]

In the beginning there were a mass of article created manually that was 
substandard and which today would not be accepted as proper articles


A little later (several year ago now) a mass of articles were 
botgenerated that were substandard and could not be seen as proper 
wp:articles


We have since long learned how to write good articles created by our 
editors.


We are just now, on a few wikiepdiaverisons, learning how to create good 
articles by bots, that give both facts, content, context and knowledge 
(also using the new new valuable tool Wikidata  which is a good 
component but not all that is needed)


I am proud to be active in one of these versions mastering this new 
intellectual challenge, of huge value in providing free knowledge for all.


And as shown earlier we have learned that this actually helps recruting 
and keeping editors


Anders


Hubertl skrev 2013-06-17 12:09:

Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys

Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots.

An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to 
breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge.


If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best 
way to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of 
authors.


Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are 
stored in a most possible stupid form.


I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts 
without understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something 
about knowledge, understanding and correlations.


Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now?

Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers?

Hubertl!

The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated 
by a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many 
people will leave this project. With certainty.


Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys!

Am 16.06.2013 14:51, schrieb Nurunnaby Chowdhury:

Congratulations swedish wikipedians

*Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive*
Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Network Foundation
(OKFN)
Auto-confirmed, Reviewer & Roll backer Editor | Bangla
Wikipedia
Treasurer & Coordinator (PR) | Bangladesh Open Source Network
(BdOSN)
Coordinator (PR) | Society for the Popularization of Science, Bangladesh
(SPSB) *
*Central Team MOVers | Bangladesh Mathematical Olympiad Committee
(BdMO)
Facebook: fb.com/nhasive | Twitter:
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www.nhasive.com


On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:


grattis mina kompisar!
*Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...*

It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles

wittylama.com
Peace, love & metadata


On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan  wrote:


Congratulations!!!

Tonmoy
On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, "Patricio Lorente" 


wrote:


Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians!

2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten :

Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing

was a

bot

generated article of a butterfly
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata.

The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the

database

Catalogue of Life
http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which
(complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5

million

species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has

generated

just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...

The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board
http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and

is

in his

civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest
lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the

last

couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in
Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and

supporting

their local community, and he is now running his bot on their

wikipedia

as

well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia
http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the

end

of the

year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark!

Anders
PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is

also

making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Nikola Smolenski]

On 16/06/13 15:24, Johan Jönsson wrote:

2013/6/16 Ilario Valdelli 

I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is due
to a work of bots and to a work of people.

It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would have
more people and more contributors.

The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but also
by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia.

May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope that
in future the number of articles will be counted considering at least a
small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like this
will discourage the communities of editors.


I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of human
editors at all in any way. A couple of people run bots that create very
short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest, probably
wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few readers.
Why on Earth would this discourage us?

Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the "random
article" button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably fixable.


I am again using the opportunity to remind that all of this will soon be 
completely unnecessary since it should be possible to generate the 
articles on the fly from Wikidata data.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Hubertl]

Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys

Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots.

An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to 
breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge.


If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best 
way to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of 
authors.


Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are 
stored in a most possible stupid form.


I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts without 
understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something about 
knowledge, understanding and correlations.


Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now?

Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers?

Hubertl!

The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated 
by a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many 
people will leave this project. With certainty.


Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys!

Am 16.06.2013 14:51, schrieb Nurunnaby Chowdhury:

Congratulations swedish wikipedians

*Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive*
Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Network Foundation
(OKFN)
Auto-confirmed, Reviewer & Roll backer Editor | Bangla
Wikipedia
Treasurer & Coordinator (PR) | Bangladesh Open Source Network
(BdOSN)
Coordinator (PR) | Society for the Popularization of Science, Bangladesh
(SPSB) *
*Central Team MOVers | Bangladesh Mathematical Olympiad Committee
(BdMO)
Facebook: fb.com/nhasive | Twitter:
@nhasive| Skype: nhasive |
www.nhasive.com


On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:


grattis mina kompisar!
*Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...*

It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles

wittylama.com
Peace, love & metadata


On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan  wrote:


Congratulations!!!

Tonmoy
On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, "Patricio Lorente" 
wrote:


Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians!

2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten :

Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing

was a

bot

generated article of a butterfly
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata.

The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the

database

Catalogue of Life
http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which
(complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5

million

species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has

generated

just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...

The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board
http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and

is

in his

civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest
lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the

last

couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in
Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and

supporting

their local community, and he is now running his bot on their

wikipedia

as

well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia
http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the

end

of the

year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark!

Anders
PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is

also

making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Per A.J. Andersson]

Milestones are nice. They're one big reason for celebrating, 
once in a while. There are lots of others, but not all are this 
definable and publicly palatable. Quality projects of various 
kinds are ongoing all the time, and we need different kinds of 
"carrots" to keep up the community interest at svwp. We need to 
communicate our efforts in different dimensions, and this was 
also the idea in our press release statement some hours ago. 
Quantity and quality are no born enemies to each other, IMHO.


Personally I enjoy making small articles (in various subjects) 
larger and better. I think this is a common motivator to many of 
us, where the article creation can be a hassle with all the 
multidimensional stuff involved. Lsjbot makes my enlarging a bit 
easier. And the fact that Lsjbot now creates a fully sourced and 
categorised Swedish-language "wikispecies" inside of Wikipedia 
is a bonus.


Best of wishes,
/Per A.J. Andersson
(user: Paracel63)

2013-06-16, 16:03, skrev Federico Leva (Nemo):


Article count milestones are nice!
However, I remind those who were distracted in 2008 that 
article count is a largely irrelevant piece of our statistics 
since 2008; both stats.wikimedia.org and www.wikipedia.org 
(plus the other project portals) don't use it at all to "rank" 
projects, etc.




Anders Wennersten, 16/06/2013 15:32:

Is it a coincidence that we now see the growth of these competent
botgenerated article in nl:wp, sv.wp and it:wp?


{{citation needed}}
To me it seems the other wikis are rather stable. There is no 
wiki in top ten with 50 % bot created articles and after 
sv.wiki (13th) you have to reach positions 20th (vi) and 24th 
(vi) to find similar amounts.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Article count milestones are nice!
However, I remind those who were distracted in 2008 that article count 
is a largely irrelevant piece of our statistics since 2008; both 
stats.wikimedia.org and www.wikipedia.org (plus the other project 
portals) don't use it at all to "rank" projects, etc.




Anders Wennersten, 16/06/2013 15:32:

Is it a coincidence that we now see the growth of these competent
botgenerated article in nl:wp, sv.wp and it:wp?


{{citation needed}}
To me it seems the other wikis are rather stable. There is no wiki in 
top ten with 50 % bot created articles and after sv.wiki (13th) you have 
to reach positions 20th (vi) and 24th (vi) to find similar amounts.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Anders Wennersten]

I meant we should give credit to the extremely clever PEOPLE behind the 
bots. And stop handling proper bot generated article as second class. 
Their data is actually better verified then most of the others


And what we find is that the bots cannot  build knowledge (which is our 
aim) without the existence of very sound "ground" articles. What is the 
value of a botgenereted lake article if the adm area it lies in is missing?


And in Swedish Wikipedia the botgenerated articles has meant a boom to 
the community morale. To work with an article of  a place or  adm area 
feels much better when it is used by and using the botgerneted lake article


Is it a coincidence that we now see the growth of these competent 
botgenerated article in nl:wp, sv.wp and it:wp? Not the top five but 
very alert and half big communities.  (next one seems to be Catalan and 
norweigian)


There exist a world outside the big ones, where we are eager to learn 
from each other and make good progress in our common goal, free 
knowledge to all!


Anders

Ilario Valdelli skrev 2013-06-16 15:12:
I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is 
due to a work of bots and to a work of people.


It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would 
have more people and more contributors.


The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but 
also by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia.


May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope 
that in future the number of articles will be counted considering at 
least a small content ad not only a template in a page, because the 
use like this will discourage the communities of editors.


Regards

On 16.06.2013 13:30, Anders Wennersten wrote:
Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was 
a bot generated article of a butterfly 
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata.


The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the 
database  Catalogue of Life 
http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which  
(complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 
million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and 
has generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...


The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board 
http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is 
in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a 
guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed 
the last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there 
active in Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid 
and supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot 
on their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia 
http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end 
of the year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million 
mark!


Anders
PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is 
also making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Johan Jönsson]

2013/6/16 Ilario Valdelli 

> I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is due
> to a work of bots and to a work of people.
>
> It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would have
> more people and more contributors.
>
> The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but also
> by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia.
>
> May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope that
> in future the number of articles will be counted considering at least a
> small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use like this
> will discourage the communities of editors.
>

I would say our experience is that it doesn't affect the number of human
editors at all in any way. A couple of people run bots that create very
short articles about taxons or other stuff that, to be honest, probably
wouldn't have been created otherwise. These articles have very few readers.
Why on Earth would this discourage us?

Our main problem is that browsing Swedish Wikipedia using the "random
article" button isn't as fun as it used to be. That's probably fixable.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Impressive numbers. Congrats.

Can we have those species stubs and lakes in English Wikipedia?


2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten 

> Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a
> bot generated article of a butterfly http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**
> Erysichton_elaborata .
>
> The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the
> database  Catalogue of Life http://www.catalogueoflife.**
> org/services/res/2011AC_**26July.zipwhich
>   (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5
> million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has
> generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...
>
> The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board
> http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/**Kandidater_2013/Sverker_**Johanssonand
>  is in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also
> a guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the
> last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in
> Cebuano-Wikipedia 
> http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Unang_Panidand
>  supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on
> their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia
> http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Syahan_nga_Pakli.
> So perhaps at the end of the year these two language versions will also
> pass the 1 million mark!
>
> Anders
> PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also
> making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Ilario Valdelli]

I think that Anders is saying that the result of Wikimedia Swedish is 
due to a work of bots and to a work of people.


It means that this result is contrary to the WMF strategy which would 
have more people and more contributors.


The next millions of articles will be reached by Polish Wikipedia but 
also by cebuan Wikipedia and by Warai-Warai Wikipedia.


May be it's the time to have only bots to write in Wikipedia? I hope 
that in future the number of articles will be counted considering at 
least a small content ad not only a template in a page, because the use 
like this will discourage the communities of editors.


Regards

On 16.06.2013 13:30, Anders Wennersten wrote:
Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was 
a bot generated article of a butterfly 
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata.


The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the 
database  Catalogue of Life 
http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which  
(complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 
million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and 
has generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...


The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board 
http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is 
in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a 
guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed 
the last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there 
active in Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid 
and supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on 
their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia 
http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end 
of the year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million 
mark!


Anders
PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also 
making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

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On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:

> grattis mina kompisar!
> *Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...*
>
> It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles
>
> wittylama.com
> Peace, love & metadata
>
>
> On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan  wrote:
>
> > Congratulations!!!
> >
> > Tonmoy
> > On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, "Patricio Lorente" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians!
> > >
> > > 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten :
> > > > Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing
> was a
> > > bot
> > > > generated article of a butterfly
> > > > http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata.
> > > >
> > > > The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the
> > > database
> > > > Catalogue of Life
> > > > http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which
> > > > (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5
> > million
> > > > species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has
> > > generated
> > > > just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...
> > > >
> > > > The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board
> > > > http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and
> is
> > > in his
> > > > civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest
> > > > lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the
> last
> > > > couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in
> > > > Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and
> > > supporting
> > > > their local community, and he is now running his bot on their
> wikipedia
> > > as
> > > > well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia
> > > > http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the
> end
> > > of the
> > > > year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark!
> > > >
> > > > Anders
> > > > PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is
> also
> > > > making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Liam Wyatt]

grattis mina kompisar!
*Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...*

It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles

wittylama.com
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On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan  wrote:

> Congratulations!!!
>
> Tonmoy
> On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, "Patricio Lorente" 
> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians!
> >
> > 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten :
> > > Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a
> > bot
> > > generated article of a butterfly
> > > http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata.
> > >
> > > The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the
> > database
> > > Catalogue of Life
> > > http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which
> > > (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5
> million
> > > species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has
> > generated
> > > just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...
> > >
> > > The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board
> > > http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is
> > in his
> > > civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest
> > > lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last
> > > couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in
> > > Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and
> > supporting
> > > their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia
> > as
> > > well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia
> > > http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end
> > of the
> > > year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark!
> > >
> > > Anders
> > > PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also
> > > making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Martin Rulsch]

Well, precisely to the bots. But we can congratulate the Swedish
Wikipedians on more than 500k manually created articles:
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/BotActivityMatrixCreates.htm

Best regards
Martin


2013/6/16 Patricio Lorente 

> Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians!
>
> 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten :
> > Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a
> bot
> > generated article of a butterfly
> > http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata.
> >
> > The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the
> database
> > Catalogue of Life
> > http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which
> > (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million
> > species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has
> generated
> > just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...
> >
> > The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board
> > http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is
> in his
> > civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest
> > lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last
> > couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in
> > Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and
> supporting
> > their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia
> as
> > well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia
> > http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end
> of the
> > year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark!
> >
> > Anders
> > PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also
> > making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Tonmoy Khan]

Congratulations!!!

Tonmoy
On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, "Patricio Lorente" 
wrote:

> Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians!
>
> 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten :
> > Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a
> bot
> > generated article of a butterfly
> > http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata.
> >
> > The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the
> database
> > Catalogue of Life
> > http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which
> > (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million
> > species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has
> generated
> > just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...
> >
> > The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board
> > http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is
> in his
> > civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest
> > lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last
> > couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in
> > Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and
> supporting
> > their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia
> as
> > well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia
> > http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end
> of the
> > year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark!
> >
> > Anders
> > PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also
> > making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Patricio Lorente]

Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians!

2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten :
> Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a bot
> generated article of a butterfly
> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata.
>
> The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the database
> Catalogue of Life
> http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which
> (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million
> species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has generated
> just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...
>
> The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board
> http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is in his
> civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest
> lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last
> couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in
> Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and supporting
> their local community, and he is now running his bot on their wikipedia as
> well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia
> http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end of the
> year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark!
>
> Anders
> PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also
> making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS
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[Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Anders Wennersten]

Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a 
bot generated article of a butterfly 
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata.


The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the 
database  Catalogue of Life 
http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip which  
(complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 million 
species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has 
generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...


The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board 
http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson and is in 
his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest 
lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the last 
couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in 
Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid and 
supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on their 
wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia 
http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli. So perhaps at the end of 
the year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark!


Anders
PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also 
making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS


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