Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request for a volunteer to upload Councillor photos to Commons

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

The files are now at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Politics_of_the_London_Borough_of_Lambeth
 

Anyone interested in improving their categorisation and adding them to 
articles/Wikidata items?

Thanks,
Mike

> On 15 Sep 2020, at 14:02, Deryck Chan  wrote:
> 
> Fair point about not needing batch, I thought the linked page was just a 
> sample (current councillors) and we're talking about hundreds rather than 
> dozens of images in total.
> 
> And thanks Mike for stepping in!
> 
> On Mon, 14 Sep 2020, 13:39 Sara Thomas,  > wrote:
> 45 could be easily done on the standard upload; it could also be done using 
> Pattypan, if there's a good deal of metadata to input.  
> 
> Sara
> 
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 at 05:16, Richard Symonds  > wrote:
> Would we even need batch upload? It's only 45 files I think! Could it be done 
> by a regular uploader? 
> 
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2020, 15:55 Deryck Chan,  > wrote:
> Hello Lucy and all,
> 
> Ideally we want a Commons volunteer with both OTRS and batch upload 
> privileges (which I'm neither). But if none of those boffins are available, 
> I'm happy to volunteer to do the uploading and liaise with OTRS on the 
> councillors' behalf.
> 
> --Deryck
> 
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020, 14:15 Lucy Crompton-Reid, 
>  > wrote:
> Dear all
> 
> Many of you will know Jon Davies from his time as the CEO of Wikimedia UK. 
> Well he still carries the open knowledge torch wherever he goes, and has 
> managed to persuade Lambeth Council to release high resolution photos of its 
> Councillors (including Jon himself!) under a Creative Commons license. They 
> are currently online here 
>  - and Jon also has 
> access to a folder with all the high res files - but he is hoping that a 
> volunteer will be able to upload these to Wikimedia Commons. Would anyone be 
> able to help with this? Please let me know if so and I can put you in direct 
> touch with Jon. 
> 
> Very best wishes
> Lucy
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] British Museum, copyright and public domain images

[Michael Peel]

Hi Fae,

The reuse seems to be by the British Library, not the British Museum, here. 
Asking them for £400 seems a bit odd/steep 
(https://twitter.com/Faewik/status/1293503130987122688).

Thanks,
Mike

> On 12 Aug 2020, at 13:05, Fæ  wrote:
> 
> Dear Lucy,
> 
> It's just over 3 months ago that your offer to talk with the British
> Museum about claiming copyright over public domain images, and
> consequently charging academics and other reusers large fees to use
> images which should be free to the public. Has there been any progress
> and what came of the plan to discuss this topic at the recent AGM?
> 
> As a further reference case study of the British Museum continuing
> using what Wikimedians call "license laundering"[0], this week they
> have claimed all rights reserved for my own photograph released on
> Wikimedia Commons a decade ago to support Wikipedia editathons working
> with the Museum, as CC-BY-SA.[1][2] The BM has removed EXIF data, and
> not attempted to apply a simple attribution, or perhaps fail to
> understand what is required to respect moral rights. A remarkable
> failure considering the museum and their online presence sets the
> standard for many other UK GLAM institutions.
> 
> Thanks,
> Fae
> 
> Links
> 0. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:License_laundering
> 1. 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20200812105445/https://blogs.bl.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2020/08/jewels-make-the-virgin-queen.html
> 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Gold_Cup_lid.jpg
> 
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> 
> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 16:20, Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all
>> 
>> 
>> As a number of people have noted already, it is indeed disappointing that 
>> the British Museum has released these images under a non commercial licence, 
>> given the obvious restrictions to people actually accessing and using them. 
>> Whilst staff at Wikimedia UK have many partnerships within the cultural 
>> sector, including larger institutions, the BM is not currently one of them. 
>> However I will get in touch with them and point out the issues with the 
>> licence they’ve chosen. If anyone has any contacts at the Museum they would 
>> be able to share with me that would be very helpful - and of course, you are 
>> also welcome to lobby them as individuals.
>> 
>> 
>> I’m not sure that I quite agree with the characterisation of Wikimedia UK as 
>> “advocating for a position at variance with that of the wider movement when 
>> it comes to claiming non commercial copyright on out of copyright material”. 
>> Indeed, in a talk I gave at a Westminster Media Forum policy event on the EU 
>> copyright directive last year, I said:
>> 
>> 
>> “Access to and re-use of centuries old paintings, part of our cultural 
>> heritage, is being increasingly restricted by an array of laws and in-house 
>> rules within cultural institutions aiming to maintain control of their 
>> digital copies. This causes many classical works, for instance, to be 
>> unavailable to the public online, despite them being part of the public 
>> domain.
>> 
>> 
>> Part of the social balance under copyright and related rights is that at 
>> some point the exclusive economic rights expire and the works become part of 
>> our shared cultural heritage. This makes up a large portion of the public 
>> domain and ensures wide access to our culture and the freedom to create and 
>> innovate. Unfortunately, in the past decades we have seen increasing 
>> attempts to restrict our cultural heritage by claiming copyright on public 
>> domain works, or by establishing new rights on exact digital copies of old 
>> works. These practices complicate and sometimes prevent the digitisation of 
>> and digital access to our culture.
>> 
>> 
>> The [EU copyright] Directive therefore provides for a safeguard of public 
>> domain works. We must make sure no new rights are applied to digital copies 
>> of artworks whose copyright has expired. This includes both no copyright 
>> term extension for such rules and no related rights. The current situation 
>> in the UK on this is quite inconclusive, with works that would be considered 
>> to be public domain under US law potentially subject to copyright under UK 
>> law. Indeed the courts in the UK traditionally applied a very low test for 
>> photographic originality, based on the "skill and labour" required to 
>> capture the image. In the IPO’s updated copyright advice notice in 2015, it 
>> acknowledges that there is a degree of uncertainty regarding whether 
>> copyright can exist in digitised copies of older images for which copyright 
>> has expired. However it also states that according to the Court of Justice 
>> of the European Union, copyright can only subsist in subject matter that is 
>> original in the sense that it is the author’s own ‘intellectual creation’. 
>> This higher standard should be unequivocally applied to UK cultural heritage 
>> 

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] British Museum makes 1.9m images available under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

[Michael Peel]

This is a difficult problem to solve. Remember that the WMUK was talking with 
the British Museum way back in 2009/2010, which led to the first Wikipedian in 
Residence. That they are now using a CC licence is a good step forward, however 
I suspect the ’NC’ difficulty is related to the existence of 
https://www.bmimages.com/ .

On the plus side, my photos of the Hoxne Hoard have seen ~400,000 views over 
the last 10 years through enwp. It’s just a shame that BM is losing out on that 
traffic for their own imagery.

Thanks,
Mike

> On 29 Apr 2020, at 21:04, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 11:43, Owen Blacker  wrote:
>> 
>> That it's a non-commercial licence is really disappointing, but that's still 
>> a little better than nothing…
> 
> With the emphasis on the "little". There are two things wrong with
> this, which we as a movement (and individually) need to challenge; at
> very reasonable opportunity.
> 
> Firstly, there's the way they're spending public money making non-free
> original content. we need to persuade GLAMs - and lobby funders - that
> such material should be freely reusable.
> 
> But far more troubling is the attempt to claim copyright in works
> whose copyright - if the work didn't pre-date copyright completely -
> expired decades or centuries ago. The latter means, in effect that
> they are trying to appropriate rights that belong to us all.
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK's 2019 AGM - agenda, board elections, voting papers & lightning talks

[Michael Peel]

Thanks Michael, that resolves my concern.

Thanks,
Mike

> On 10 Jul 2019, at 20:40, Michael Maggs  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mike
> 
> I'll be taking the chair during the election portion of the AGM, and in that 
> role I'll be responsible for the proxy votes.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> Michael Peel wrote on 10/07/2019 7:53 pm:
>> Hi Katie and all,
>> 
>> I’ve just noticed that the proxy vote is given by default to the chair of 
>> the meeting. However, the WMUK board chair, Josie Fraser, is also standing 
>> in the election. It doesn’t seem right for proxy votes to be cast by a 
>> person who is standing in the election - is there a way to change who is 
>> casting the proxy votes, or is someone else chairing the AGM?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>> 
>>> On 20 Jun 2019, at 10:59, Katie Crampton >> <mailto:katie.cramp...@wikimedia.org.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning
>>> 
>>> Yesterday evening, emails were sent to all current members of Wikimedia UK 
>>> with more information on this year's AGM in Bristol, which you can sign up 
>>> to here 
>>> <https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/wikimedia-uk-2019-agm-tickets-62303110280>.
>>> 
>>> Volunteers who aren't members are also welcome at this event, although we 
>>> would encourage you to become a member 
>>> <https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1=4> 
>>> (for only £5 a year) to enable you to participate fully in the day. If you 
>>> believe that you are a member but did not receive this message yesterday, 
>>> please let me know.
>>> 
>>> Notice of Wikimedia UK’s Annual General Meeting
>>> Saturday 13th July 2019 at Watershed, Bristol
>>> The next AGM for Wikimedia UK will be held on Saturday 13th July at the 
>>> Watershed in Bristol. As a member of the charity this is an important 
>>> opportunity for you to have your say about how we work, influence how we 
>>> are run and potentially stand for the board, so we would encourage you to 
>>> attend.
>>> 
>>> The AGM itself will start at 2.30pm, however we have planned other 
>>> activities from 11am including talks and workshops, a photography walk of 
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>>> as well as our inaugural Honorary Memberships. We are using eventbrite for 
>>> AGM registrations so please sign up here 
>>> <https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/wikimedia-uk-2019-agm-tickets-62303110280> 
>>> if you are able to attend.
>>> 
>>> Invitation for candidates for election to the Board
>>> 
>>> There are five trustee vacancies at this year’s AGM, with three existing 
>>> trustees likely to stand again. We are particularly keen to have more 
>>> people from the Wikimedia community on the board, so please do consider 
>>> standing for these elections. Any member fulfilling the criteria has a 
>>> right to stand, although we’d particularly appreciate anyone who has 
>>> experience in Legal, Fundraising, Communications or HR. If you wish to 
>>> stand please follow the procedure here 
>>> <https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Board/Becoming_a_trustee> and submit your 
>>> application to the teller no later than Friday 28th June.
>>> 
>>> Voting Papers
>>> 
>>> All current members of the charity will be sent AGM papers by post, 
>>> including voting papers and proxy forms. We would encourage you to make use 
>>> of your voting rights, whether or not you are able to come to the meeting 
>>> itself. If you are unable to attend, you can appoint another person - 
>>> including the Chair of the Board of Trustees - as your proxy to attend and 
>>> vote on your behalf.
>>> 
>>> If you have moved house in the past year, or you are not sure if we have 
>>> your correct postal address details, please do email 
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>>> Annual Report and Accounts
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>>> by the board and the Auditors, and will be published online prior to the 
>>> AGM. To save paper, we won’t be sending hard copies of the annual report to 
>>> all our members this year however copies will be available at th

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK's 2019 AGM - agenda, board elections, voting papers & lightning talks

[Michael Peel]

Hi Katie and all,

I’ve just noticed that the proxy vote is given by default to the chair of the 
meeting. However, the WMUK board chair, Josie Fraser, is also standing in the 
election. It doesn’t seem right for proxy votes to be cast by a person who is 
standing in the election - is there a way to change who is casting the proxy 
votes, or is someone else chairing the AGM?

Thanks,
Mike

> On 20 Jun 2019, at 10:59, Katie Crampton  
> wrote:
> 
> Good morning
> 
> Yesterday evening, emails were sent to all current members of Wikimedia UK 
> with more information on this year's AGM in Bristol, which you can sign up to 
> here 
> .
> 
> Volunteers who aren't members are also welcome at this event, although we 
> would encourage you to become a member 
>  
> (for only £5 a year) to enable you to participate fully in the day. If you 
> believe that you are a member but did not receive this message yesterday, 
> please let me know.
> 
> Notice of Wikimedia UK’s Annual General Meeting
> Saturday 13th July 2019 at Watershed, Bristol
> The next AGM for Wikimedia UK will be held on Saturday 13th July at the 
> Watershed in Bristol. As a member of the charity this is an important 
> opportunity for you to have your say about how we work, influence how we are 
> run and potentially stand for the board, so we would encourage you to attend.
> 
> The AGM itself will start at 2.30pm, however we have planned other activities 
> from 11am including talks and workshops, a photography walk of the local 
> area, and the presentations of our Wikimedian of the Year awards as well as 
> our inaugural Honorary Memberships. We are using eventbrite for AGM 
> registrations so please sign up here 
>  if 
> you are able to attend.
> 
> Invitation for candidates for election to the Board
> 
> There are five trustee vacancies at this year’s AGM, with three existing 
> trustees likely to stand again. We are particularly keen to have more people 
> from the Wikimedia community on the board, so please do consider standing for 
> these elections. Any member fulfilling the criteria has a right to stand, 
> although we’d particularly appreciate anyone who has experience in Legal, 
> Fundraising, Communications or HR. If you wish to stand please follow the 
> procedure here  and 
> submit your application to the teller no later than Friday 28th June.
> 
> Voting Papers
> 
> All current members of the charity will be sent AGM papers by post, including 
> voting papers and proxy forms. We would encourage you to make use of your 
> voting rights, whether or not you are able to come to the meeting itself. If 
> you are unable to attend, you can appoint another person - including the 
> Chair of the Board of Trustees - as your proxy to attend and vote on your 
> behalf.
> 
> If you have moved house in the past year, or you are not sure if we have your 
> correct postal address details, please do email members...@wikimedia.org.uk 
>  with any updates by Monday 1st July. You 
> can also use this email to contact us if you haven't received your voting 
> papers by Monday 8th July.
> 
> Annual Report and Accounts
> 
> The draft annual report and accounts are in the process of being signed off 
> by the board and the Auditors, and will be published online prior to the AGM. 
> To save paper, we won’t be sending hard copies of the annual report to all 
> our members this year however copies will be available at the AGM. The 
> Strategic Report will also be available in hard copy or in a PDF online by 
> the time of the AGM.
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> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] UK Wiki

[Michael Peel]

It’s a http vs https configuration issue:
https://qrpedia.org  works
http://qrpedia.org  does not work.

Thanks,
Mike

> On 5 Feb 2019, at 09:56, John Lubbock  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, QRpedia seems to be working for me. The only problem appears to be a 
> problem recognising codes generated for articles with apostrophes in them.
> John Lubbock
> 
> Communications Coordinator
> 
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> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and 
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Office 1, 
> Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ. 
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> The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate 
> Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit 
> charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its 
> contents.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 12:41, Lester Caine  > wrote:
> On 03/02/2019 20:32, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> > I've just been told (in a tweet also addressed to Wikimedia UK) that
> > http://qrpedia.org/   is down (i.e. timing out) again.
> 
> I'm seeing two A records for qrpedia.org  ... not even 
> sure if that 
> works? but they are both pointing to amazon ...
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Historic Prisons database

[Michael Peel]

> On 18 Jul 2018, at 22:26, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> 
> On 18 July 2018 at 16:44, Magnus Manske  wrote:
> 
>>> A heads up that there is a new database of historic (c19th)
>>> English prisons:
> 
>> I am importing the list here:
>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/#/catalog/1505
> 
> Is anyone writing a property proposal for this?

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Prison_History_ID

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] GDPR?

[Michael Peel]

Ah, I got the email from WMUK today. Copy below in case anyone’s interested. 
Thanks to whoever at WMUK has been working on this!

Thanks,
Mike


"Good afternoon

Like everyone else, we need to remind you that we are holding your contact 
details and to say that if we have similar reasons to contact you as when you 
first provided us with your contact details, we may do so.

If you’d rather we didn’t, that’s fine. All you need to do is click on the 
‘unsubscribe’ link at the bottom of this message. Unless we have lawful grounds 
to keep your data, we will delete it. You can also ask us to send you what data 
we have by emailing yourd...@wikimedia.org.uk.

For further information about how we process your personal data, please see our 
updated Data Protection Policy, or for more information on how we collect 
cookies please see our Website Privacy Policy.

Thank you for being part of the Wikimedia UK community and please let us know 
if you have any questions.

The Wikimedia UK team"

> On 22 May 2018, at 22:48, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> wrote:
> 
> I haven’t spotted any emails from WMUK about this yet, are they coming soon 
> or is everything already OK here?
> 
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[Wikimediauk-l] GDPR?

[Michael Peel]

I haven’t spotted any emails from WMUK about this yet, are they coming soon or 
is everything already OK here?

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Copyright of the the Wikimedia UK blog!

[Michael Peel]

Try wp-admin -> ‘Appearance’ -> ‘Editor’, select ‘Theme Footer' on the right, 
and edit the info there. Make a backup of the changes, though, as they will be 
lost if you later update the theme. You might want to consider adding a 
CC-BY-SA license while you’re there. ;-)

For screenshots of the process see e.g.:
https://www.inmotionhosting.com/support/edu/wordpress/change-wordpress-appearance/change-footer-text-brand
 


Thanks,
Mike

> On 24 Apr 2018, at 11:58, John Lubbock  wrote:
> 
> I'm afraid I can't figure out how to easily remove the copyright notice. I'll 
> try to figure it out but it's not high up on my priority list. If anybody 
> else who is familiar with Wordpress knows how to remove it, please let me 
> know.
> 
> John Lubbock
> 
> Communications Coordinator
> 
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> 
> +44 (0) 203 372 0767
> 
>  
> 
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and 
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Office 1, 
> Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ. 
> 
> Wikimedia UK is the national chapter of the global Wikimedia open knowledge 
> movement. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make 
> knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia UK? Donate 
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> 
> The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate 
> Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit 
> charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its 
> contents.
> 
> 
> On 24 April 2018 at 13:46, John Lubbock  > wrote:
> Hi Fabian. I've never noticed that copyright tag before. It seems to come as 
> standard in Wordpress pages and I will see if there is a way to remove it.
> 
> John Lubbock
> 
> Communications Coordinator
> 
> Wikimedia UK
> 
> +44 (0) 203 372 0767
> 
>  
> 
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and 
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Office 1, 
> Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ. 
> 
> Wikimedia UK is the national chapter of the global Wikimedia open knowledge 
> movement. We rely on donations from individuals to support our work to make 
> knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting Wikimedia UK? Donate 
> here .
> 
> The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate 
> Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit 
> charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its 
> contents.
> 
> 
> On 24 April 2018 at 13:31, > 
> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Thanks for the Wikimedia UK Spring newsletter.
> 
> Sorry if I missed any previous discussion about the assertion of copyright on 
> the Wikimedia UK blog , but I am afraid I 
> have become a bit of a copyright geek over past fifteen years - a bye-product 
> of being a Wikimedian I suppose.
> 
> I have just posted a comment with the query:
> 
> "Does the copyright tag at the bottom of this page mean that I am assigning 
> copyright of this comment to Wikimedia UK?"
> 
> Please note if the answer is yes, I am reproducing my comment here under a 
> fair-use  
> rationale.
> 
> all the best,
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 153, Issue 7

[Michael Peel]

Hi John,

I think you’re sending emails in HTML format, which come through to the list OK 
as an individual email, but HTML-formatted emails are removed from the digest 
("An HTML attachment was scrubbed”). So there are two options: change to using 
plain text format for the emails you send to the list, or change to receive 
individual messages rather than the digest.

Thanks,
Mike

> On 10 Apr 2018, at 15:05, John Byrne  wrote:
> 
> Once again my post is (to me) a header and blank text, but others can 
> evidently see it, which is something.  Katie seems to see the only possible 
> problem as the chapter getting criticised... 
> 
> John/Johnbod
> 
>> On 10 April 2018 at 18:57 wikimediauk-l-request@lists.wikimedia 
>> .org wrote:
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>> 1. Re: UK chapter membership numbers (John Byrne) (John Lubbock) 2. Re: UK 
>> chapter membership numbers (John Byrne) (Stevie Benton)
>> 
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 18:54:28 +0100
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>> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 
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>> Byrne)
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>> We welcome constructive criticism, and I am happy to listen to any members'
>> concerns and ideas for improving Chapter-Community cohesion and
>> communication. :)
>> 
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>> 
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>> On 10 April 2018 at 18:49, John Byrne wrote:
>>> 
>>> As very often in recent years, I got a notification of my post sent an
>>> hour or so ago, with completely blank text. Yet Katie has clearly seen it,
>>> as she quotes me. Have others also got blanks? Can the rather cryptic
>>> instructions for replies be clarified, or is there some bug? I get the
>>> digest version. It doesn't exactly encourage people to contribute, and may
>>> be a factor in the much lower activity on this list in recent years. It
>>> never used to happen.
>>> 
>>> No Katie, I don't think this has much to do with it, though you are right
>>> to imply that the chapter is over-sensitive to criticism...
>>> 
>>> John/Johnbod
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10 April 2018 at 18:37 wikimediauk-l-request@lists.wikimedia 
>>> .org wrote:
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>>> 
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>>> Chan) 4. Re: UK chapter membership numbers (Richard Nevell)
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
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[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru

[Michael Peel]

Forwarding from wikimedia-l, where there’s some discussion happening about 
this. Presumably WMUK’s consent was obtained first, per the chapter’s agreement?

Thanks,
Mike

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Kirill Lokshin 
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru
> Date: 11 March 2018 at 11:32:34 GMT-3
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List , Wikimedia 
> Movement Affiliates discussion list 
> Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> 
> Hi everyone!
> 
> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru (Wikimedia Community User Group
> Wales) [1] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group aims to promote the
> Wikimedia movement in Wales and support the development of Wikimedia
> projects and content in the Welsh language.
> 
> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> 
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
> 
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Wales
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Open-licensed images of UK MPs are coming!

[Michael Peel]

Here's a list of MPs with the images that are set on Wikidata, and also their 
commons categories:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/MPs

(Using Listeria - so also thanks to Magnus.)

Thanks,
Mike

> On 27 Jul 2017, at 17:01, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> 
> On 27 July 2017 at 16:10, Magnus Manske  wrote:
> 
>> Made a list of MPs on Wikidata without images, and (possible) image matches:
>> 
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/MP_image_candidates
> 
>> 
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> That's proving incredibly helpful  - thank you.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Odd? Peter Tatchell aritcle.

[Michael Peel]

> On 26 Jul 2017, at 12:06, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> 
> On 26/07/17 09:07, geni wrote:
>> Template vandalism on.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Official_URL
>> 
>> If you are still getting issues purge the page.
> 
> Thanks. Now fixed.
> 
> *
> 
> This template is for use in infoboxes. It links to property P856
> (official website) at Wikidata to retrieve the website and displays in
> the same way as {{URL}}.
> 
> *
> 
> There has been some discussion on Facebook (and elsewhere?) about the
> current trend to feed data from Wikidata directly in Wikipedia's Infoboxen.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/WikidataCommunity/
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_person/Wikidata
> 
> Usage:
> 
> {{infobox person/Wikidata | fetchwikidata=ALL}}
> 
> I have suggested on Facebook that this might be putting a Infobox
> editing beyond the reach of certain people, like me. I have yet to start
> editing Wikidata.

If you can figure out how to edit infoboxes at the moment, with all of the 
wikicode that's needed, then you'll find editing them through Wikidata a bit 
simpler. ;-) In the long run, hopefully Wikidata editing can be done directly 
from Wikipedia.

But for my canonical example of a Wikidata infobox:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole_Telescope
Have a look at how the data is stored at:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1513315
Hopefully you'll agree it's clearer than wikicode, and the way to edit the info 
is a bit clearer.

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

My thruppence:

1p: There are things that can be learnt from how WMF board elections are run, 
and also elections for other UK charities. A clear process that lets members 
cast votes online ahead of the AGM (instead of / in addition to proxy votes) 
would be very good. Being able to participate in the AGM remotely would also be 
very nice.

2p: It is quite worrying that there were only three candidates for three board 
seats - that's not a healthy situation to be in, as it encourages complacency 
(although I'm sure that the candidates this election won't be complacent!), and 
it removes the choice of direction for the charity from the members (as there 
is not a pool of candidates with different viewpoints to choose between). It's 
also a repeat situation for WMUK. I hope that this is the last time that this 
happens.

3p: In terms of encouraging people to physically attend the AGM, in early years 
the AGM was held as part of 'Wikiconference UK', which was meant to develop 
into a mini-Wikimania. That faded away at/after Wikimania 2014, and part of 
that lives on with the lightning talks, but it might be worth thinking about 
the wider concept again.

Thanks,
Mike

> On 16 Jul 2017, at 16:41, Rod Ward  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> As a long term member who didn't want to spend the time or money to travel to 
> London for the AGM (even with the associated events), I would be in favour of 
> some technologically enabled access - however unless there is something 
> controversial I happy to trust the trustees (and staff and other members).
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimediauk-l [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On 
> Behalf Of Fæ
> Sent: 16 July 2017 19:45
> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM
> 
> Hi Rex,
> 
> Hope you are having a relaxed Sunday. A few in-line responses from one of the 
> charity's most radical past trustees over a cup of herbal tea
> :-)
> 
> On 16 July 2017 at 19:01, Rex X  wrote:
>> You make many sensible points, Fae, thank you.
>> 
>> Probably the biggest issue for me is whether members are happy with 
>> resolutions being passed with little more than 5% of the membership 
>> being present in the room when the voting took place.
> ...
> 
> I agree that it is slightly pointless to set an operational target to have 
> more than 5% to 10% of members "in the room". However I think most members 
> would agree that seeing an active voting membership at yesterday's AGM of 
> just 11% is not satisfactory. With 88% of currently paid up members failing 
> to engage in any way with the AGM, something looks and feels wrong with how 
> the meeting works; or perhaps with who is being targeted for membership in 
> the first place.
> 
> I'm fully supportive of increasing membership, I would love to see a target 
> membership going over 1,000; in fact when Roger was Chair many years ago we 
> were discussing how to realistically reach a target of 2,000, as membership 
> was increasing so quickly. However I would want a larger membership to be 
> meaningful membership. If other stakeholders want to donate a few pounds, 
> let's call it a donation and give them a badge to wear, but let's not 
> encourage them to join as members. Having membership targets without an 
> understanding of the reasons people are joining, gives the false impression 
> that ramping up membership makes the charity more accountable, transparent or 
> better governed when it put us in danger of doing the opposite.
> 
> 
>> Nevertheless, to address the actual point, would you agree that giving 
>> members the easiest possible opportunity to make their opinions heard 
>> would be the next best thing to having them physically present? If so, 
>> then the point about postal votes is interesting, and perhaps 
>> preferable to appointing proxies in some ways, although proxies a 
>> least have the opportunity to respond to a debate and to reconsider a 
>> decision in the light of such debate. What would be most democratic?
> 
> As you recall, during my short time as Chair of the board, we experimented 
> with live broadcasts from board meetings and included time is the regular 
> board meetings with live questions from members via instant messaging, rather 
> than expecting them to be in the room.
> It worked, and for the members who joined in it was a lot of fun. It also 
> ticked all the boxes for demonstrating that the charity was a leading 
> information technology literate organization, and one with openness at the 
> heart of its values.
> 
> As well as changing the charity's articles to make postal votes possible, 
> thereby moving the charity into technology that UK Parliament embraced in 
> 1918, I would like to see the charity go further and have live questions at 
> the next AGM for the board, using tools like Google Hangout, or IRC. If 
> members were able to ask last minute questions remotely, and then 

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK Annual Report and Accounts

[Michael Peel]

That's an excellent turn-around to see. :-)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMUK_membership_over_time.jpg

Thanks,
Mike

> On 15 Jul 2017, at 09:44, Lucy Crompton-Reid 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, and today :)
> 
> On 15 July 2017 at 12:39, Gordon Joly  > wrote:
> On 15/07/17 10:21, Richard Nevell wrote:
> > Membership is 498.
> 
> 
> Wow! That is the number of individuals (to which date)?
> 
> Gordo
> 
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> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> 
> Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia 
> projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst 
> other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no 
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[Wikimediauk-l] uk.wikimedia.org is no more

[Michael Peel]

It looks like uk.wikimedia.org just got turned off and redirect to 
wikimedia.org.uk , as per https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170005 . This was 
long overdue as the last part of moving over to wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/ and I'm 
just mentioning it in case anyone wonders where it went.

(And I was so close to the 100k global edits mark, but now I have quite a few 
thousand more edits to make before I get there!)

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Designs for T shirts

[Michael Peel]

> On 22 May 2017, at 10:25, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> 
> On 20/05/17 01:42, John Lubbock wrote:
>> . Wikimedia Nederland does one with a the Wikimedia logo as a
>> stroopwafel, a Dutch caramel biscuit.
> 
> 
> Perhaps I should explain a little more about this sweet Dutch snack.
> 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monkey_selfie_with_a_stroopwafel.jpg
> 
> "Monkey selfie with a stroopwafel" was a mash up of two memes at
> Wikimania in London in 2014. Who can forget the monkey? Who can forget
> the stroopwafels that were available at the event? I guess some newbies
> will not be aware of these cultural icons.
> 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stroopwafel_selfie_1.jpg

Wikimedians and stroopwafel were already a thing long before the unfortunate 
monkey event:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Stroopwafel_Addicts

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CC licenses for PhD theses

[Michael Peel]

I remember looking into CC-licensing my PhD thesis back in 2009-10, and found 
that it wasn't possible as I had to include a copyright statement in it that 
included restrictions that weren't compatible with CC licenses (without the 
copyright statement, I couldn't have submitted it to the university!). So I 
ended up only sharing it on arXiv [1].

Things may have changed for the better since then, but if not then it would be 
great to encourage that change to happen (and would seem like it's in-scope for 
WMUK). It's the same problem as publisher's restrictions on the licenses of 
scientific papers (some still require that you sign copyright over to them 
before publishing a paper!).

BTW, there was a WMUK OTRS workshop back in 2012 [2] - it was mostly good, but 
there were some issues (particularly with non-OTRS users not being allowed to 
see OTRS!). If another one is organised (which I think is a good idea!) I'm 
happy to pass on learnings from the 2012 one.

Thanks,
Mike

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1006.2760  if 
anyone's interested ;-)
[2] https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/OTRS_workshop 


> On 2 May 2017, at 10:38, leu...@fabiant.eu wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Thanks to John for his prompt prompt response.
> 
> Actually my answer is no.
> 
> I am afraid John's solution does not deal with the wealth of academic 
> material, theses etc which have been produced before such universities start 
> to understand the benefits you mention. As students already have the option 
> of publishing their material on CC licenses (Students are not employees), 
> they do not need to universities to provide such an option.
> 
> My point is that Wikimedia UK is in a unique position to actually do 
> something to benefit how the community works as regards OTRS, of which the 
> benefit I have mentioned is just an example.
> 
> If Wikimedia UK does not want to do this, then perhaps we could have a policy 
> decision from the organisation to put us in the picture.
> 
> Then we could explore doing this directly through the Foundation. I doubt 
> there is much appetite for setting up some sort of Wikimedia UK 3.0 – at this 
> moment in time.
> 
> I know from one or two discussions I have had that various people feel that 
> Wikimedia Uk has been experiencing some mission drift towards more general 
> open knowledge advocacy and away from specific Wikimedia Community support. I 
> feel this is an opportunity for the organisation to clarify where it's going.
> 
> Another issue I feel the charity could address is a generic clause for people 
> to add to their wills releasing their copyrightable output under Creative 
> Commons licenses. These could be generic, i.e. everything, or partitioned 
> (for example: "all my photographs").
> 
> It would also be useful to have some phraseology so that people who own the 
> copyright of someone who has died can release their material under a Creative 
> Commons license. I feel this would make a significant impact in covering the 
> gap between photos in particular taken by people whose copyright has lapsed 
> and the contemporary period when people have started releasing their own 
> photos on a CC license.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> all the best
> 
> Fabian
> 
> aka Leutha
> 
> On 02 May 2017 at 14:05 John Lubbock  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Fabian. Do you not think that this time consuming process of asking
> authors individually could be substantially reduced by getting universities
> to understand the benefits of Open Licenses and having them give their
> students the option of publishing on CC licenses. Then the only work we
> would have to do is to upload them.
> 
> John
> 
> On 2 May 2017 at 14:02,  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As copyright for a PhD thesis rests with the person who wrote it, it would
> seem to be a secondary concern to worry over much about various
> institutional arrangements. The Wikimedia movement has already developed
> Wikisource  >, which is a
> suitable repository for PhD theses, and I would say Masters thesis as well.
> In fact all we need do is ask the people who own the copyright to upload a
> pdf (or better a Dejavu file) to commons. Once they have done this - which
> involves releasing reproduction rights as Creative Commons - then whether
> they or others take the document through to becoming a completely validated
> document.
> 
> The advantage of this is that we can then generate an annotated version
> which includes hyperlinks to wikipedia pages which means we can create an
> approach to reading which allows the reader to move fluidly between
> wikipedia pages and upload PhD theses.
> 
> One of the problems I have encountered during my period as a Wikimedian in
> Residence at MayDay Rooms, is in uploading an old MA thesis from 

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK policy updates - consultation

[Michael Peel]

Hi Lucy,

I've added a few comments to the google docs - sorry for not quite meeting your 
deadline.

I see that the new volunteers policy removes a key phrase that was often used 
in WMUK's past: "staff should only do things that volunteers either cannot do 
or do not want to do". That's OK - perhaps that phrase has now outlived its 
usefulness - but it might be useful to recall why that phrase started being 
used. Caveat that my memory has faded over the years, so if other have a 
different recollection then please share it!

Back then, we were starting to hire a number of new positions for the first 
time, working in areas that at the time were dominated by volunteer work 
(particularly GLAM, but also other outreach approaches), and we were worried 
that the staff might displace/discourage volunteers from contributing to those 
areas. That's not scalable, as there are always going to be a limited number of 
staff and a much larger base of volunteers, so it's much more effective for 
staff to support volunteers rather than trying to replace them. When we hired 
the new staff members we tried to focus them on being enablers that would scale 
up volunteer activity rather than replace it (e.g., coordination roles). Sadly, 
I think that worry was realised anyway, and staff did displace volunteer work 
in, e.g., talking to potential partners, at a time when there were still 
volunteers willing to do that work but they just weren't being invited to do 
so. I think that's part of what then led WMUK to become so London-centric, as 
that's where its staff was, even though its volunteers were distributed much 
more widely.

Things have changed quite a bit since then, but I hope that the principle (if 
not the phrase) survives in WMUK's approach to engaging volunteers, and 
leveraging its staff capacity to make the biggest possible impact.

Thanks,
Mike

> On 15 Feb 2017, at 11:26, Lucy Crompton-Reid 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear all
> 
> Many thanks to those of you who have inputted into the two policies I 
> circulated earlier this year for community consultation (about Diversity and 
> Safeguarding). I'm in the process of revising those draft policies - 
> according to the suggestions that have been made - for board review in March. 
> 
> As I mentioned at the time, I'm updating a number of board-level policies and 
> would welcome community feedback into the following working documents by 
> Wednesday 1st March:
> 
> Volunteers Policy 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hHZ-JIUhl0NAcS9kT3d-LNYH7DUW1Oz0Vyf6OrYmiJU/edit?usp=sharing
>  
> 
> Safe Space Policy 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a1vWJBFFn_dQ0nmXIINYHmp3fXSKrY3I5q4qfv7Y4CQ/edit?usp=sharing
>  
> 
> Donation and Grants Acceptance Policy 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UnqR3V9-_mOMacEQo0xzTGn6aY9-HaC3jAC1Lk6yGsw/edit?usp=sharing
>  
> 
> 
> Please feel free to add comments directly to the document or to email me with 
> your feedback. 
> 
> Many thanks
> Lucy
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> +44 (0) 207 065 0991
> 
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> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered 
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> 
> Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia 
> projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst 
> other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no 
> legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Guardian obituaries feed

[Michael Peel]

> On 26 Feb 2017, at 20:14, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> On 26 February 2017 at 21:33, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> wrote:
> 
>> How about something like this:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Guardian_obits
> 
> Wow. Yes, exactly that. Thank you.
> 
> The pre-formatted ref templates are a nice touch.
> 
> Some feature requests; adding columns for:
> 
> * Wikidata ID, if any.
> * {{Find sources multi}} (or a similar template)
> * Death date on Wikidata, if any. Maybe a red warning if item exists,
> but no date present.
> 
> if possible, please.


{{done}}

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Guardian obituaries feed

[Michael Peel]

Hi Andy,

How about something like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Guardian_obits 


There seem to be some redlinks showing up there!

Other sources might be a bit more difficult to incorporate. E.g., the 
Independent's obit RSS feed is empty, and the Telegraph don't seem to have 
one...

Thanks,
Mike

> On 21 Feb 2017, at 12:23, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> 
> At the WMUK education summit yesterday somebody - I regret that I don't 
> recall who - mentioned a tool that scrapes a US newspaper for obituaries, and 
> matches them to Wikipedia articles (or highlights missing Wikipedia articles).
> 
> It was suggested that we might have a UK equivalent.
> 
> On checking, I see that the Guardian have an RSS feed for their obituaries:
> 
>   https://www.theguardian.com/tone/obituaries/rss 
> 
> 
> Is anyone interested in working on such a tool (or adapting the US one)?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Media enquiry from the BBC re editing/vandalism

[Michael Peel]

It's not the first time this kind of thing has happened:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/03/peking-duk-fan-infiltrates-backstage-by-fooling-security-guard-with-wikipedia-edit
 

and wasn't there another incident like this last year?

(I'm in the wrong hemisphere now to help with this kind of thing in the UK, 
sorry.)

Thanks,
Mike

> On 15 Feb 2017, at 09:25, Lucy Crompton-Reid 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear all
> 
> Firstly, many thanks to those of you who have said you would consider 
> responding to Wikimedia press enquiries in future, and I will be emailing 
> more about that within the next few days - particularly off the back of the 
> Media Handling and Crisis Communications course I've been on for the past two 
> days (and no, the irony of the timing wasn't lost on me). 
> 
> In the meantime, we've had an enquiry from BBC North West online who are 
> working on a story about a music fan who apparently secured entry to the VIP 
> area of a gig by editing the band’s Wikipedia page to claim he was a relative 
> of one of the members. More fool the bouncers in my opinion but anyway...the 
> BBC has asked "we wanted to check that this change would have indeed been 
> processed this quickly and without being verified by Wiki editors? Would 
> Wikipedia be interested in adding a comment about users making edits for 
> their own means and what the organisation does to tackle this?" Clearly the 
> journalist in question doesn't understand exactly how editing works and I 
> think it would be most appropriate to have an editor respond to this, and 
> talk about processes in place to deal with vandalism.
> 
> The article is The Sherlocks  
> and the edit in question was made on 10th February at 8.28pm and reverted by 
> another editor at 4.15pm the following day. 
> 
> Would anyone be willing to talk to the BBC about this today? If so, could you 
> let me know and I'll put you in touch. 
> 
> Thanks
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia developers discussion

[Michael Peel]

Back in the day (a few years ago) there was a UK tech mailing list. Sadly it 
became disused. Things were also posted on the WMUK wiki - again, sadly, those 
pages are now disused. They were nice while they lasted.

Thanks,
Mike

> On 17 Jan 2017, at 13:34, Fæ  wrote:
> 
> I'm still trying to understand why UK-based Wikimedia developer
> discussions have to be on a closed forum.
> 
> As an example, with global discussions around issues or changes on
> Phabricator, a key benefit is that it is easy to link to these
> discussions and information on-wiki so that anyone can review them,
> not just those that have set up accounts on Phabricator. Encouraging
> wiki-project developers to join an invite-only channel to discuss
> changes to their open projects behind closed doors, appears to force a
> contradiction in values and remain an ethical barrier for potential
> contributors.
> 
> At the point where any development might change Wikimedia projects,
> whatever was done on a closed forum would have to be presented
> publicly. Even abandoned ideas benefit the community by adding to our
> store of common knowledge, if the discussions are available for future
> reference rather than held in closed archives.
> 
> Fae
> 
> On 17 January 2017 at 14:51, John Lubbock  > wrote:
>> The other thing is that we have already started using Slack in the office
>> for chat, and I have another slack channel for the Kurdish Wikipedia
>> Project, so I've already gone down this path a bit of a way and to back out
>> and start again because something else is open source would be quite
>> disruptive for other work I'm doing. I'm trying to organise developers to
>> come to one place to discuss this, and I've chosen Slack because it's easy
>> and lots of people use it. I appreciate that it might not be ideal for some
>> people, but I really can't spare the time and effort to start this all again
>> from scratch.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> On 17 January 2017 at 13:19, Katherine Bavage > >
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not planning to join because I don't code (though I'm happy to join a
>>> channel if you get to a stage where end user or design process feedback is
>>> useful) but I would note that asking people to adopt new platforms 'just
>>> because they are open source', rather than ones that are used by a lot of
>>> people/ a lot of people are already familiar with, is pretty daft when your
>>> ultimate goal is to benefit the open source community through the work the
>>> channel fosters.
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, for this type of work, Slack is the go to for most devs.
>>> The Foundation use it without issue.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 at 12:24 Gordon Joly  wrote:
 
 On 17/01/17 00:38, John Lubbock wrote:
> It costs a lot of money, as far as I can see (it says Try for Free and
> then takes you to a page where it asks you to pay $100 a month).
 
 
 We wrote Discourse, and we can host it for you, too.
 
 
 Yes, that is a hosting option. You can download and install for free. I
 am suggesting WMUK host the code on their own server...
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

[Michael Peel]

An interesting question that could do with a speedy response (and maybe a 
copyright release email from the BBC to OTRS) has been posted at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:100_Women_(BBC)#Is_it_not_a_copyright_violation_to_publish_this_list.3F

Thanks,
Mike

> On 8 Dec 2016, at 11:37, Lucy Crompton-Reid 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Jonathan, that's a great idea! 
> 
> At the training events we are of course reinforcing the need for appropriate 
> secondary sources, and lots of preparation work has been done by Roger and 
> other Women in Red editors, Stuart Prior at Wikimedia UK and BBC staff to 
> create lists of women to be added - with sources - on the resources section 
> of the meta page:
> 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK/Events/BBC_100_Women_Resources 
> 
> 
> On the 'how to' video that the BBC made - basic as it undoubtedly is - 
> finding sources is point 4. Of course, this important point may get lost in 
> the ether so any support from the community in keeping articles up and 
> improving them would be HUGELY appreciated!
> 
> All best
> Lucy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 December 2016 at 12:56, WereSpielChequers  > wrote:
> Since the BBC is encouraging people to create unsourced articles on living 
> people there is a high possibility they will turn up at either 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion 
>  
> or even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion 
> 
> 
> I've rescued at least one from each so far today, including one that was 
> definitely part of the BBC project.
> 
> I'm wondering whether it might be worth doing an article rescue editathon as 
> part of the next feminism event - there are always articles on women at 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion 
> 
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On 8 December 2016 at 12:18, Gordon Joly  > wrote:
> On 08/12/16 12:01, Sara Thomas wrote:
> >
> > As is my custom, I'll be placing the {{new user article}} template on
> > the talk pages of any articles created by new users today.
> 
> Which then expands to
> 
> **
> This is an article recently created by a new user. More editing may be
> needed to meet standards, but please be courteous and assume good faith,
> and consider leaving a constructive message on the creator's talk page
> if large changes need to be made.
> This template should be removed once the page has been reviewed by
> someone other than its creator. If you are the article's creator, you
> can seek feedback on your new article.
> **
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Could Wikimedia UK keep an eye on which museums are going to close and give us the heads up?

[Michael Peel]

It's worth noting that there have been Wikimedia events at several of these 
museums in the past:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Queen_Street_Mill_Museum/event 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Queen_Street_Mill_Museum/event_2 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Judges%27_Lodgings/event 


Clem Rutter and I have been in contact with Jo Hayward 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jhayward001 
) to see if there was anything 
that Wikimedia could do to help here (e.g., holding additional events/taking 
photos/improving the articles), but nothing concrete came out of those 
discussions. Obviously, they have quite a lot of other things to be worrying 
about at the moment!

Thanks,
Mike

> On 11 Oct 2016, at 16:12, geni  wrote:
> 
> 5 museums in Lancashire closed recently.
> 
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-37512136
> 
> Museums close fairly regularly (although not normally in that number)
> . Is it possible WMUK could keep track of this and give us a heads up
> as a sort of "last chance to see"?
> 
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[Wikimediauk-l] WMUK office move - alternative locations?

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

From recent-ish WMUK board minutes [1], it looks like WMUK has to move offices 
in the near future. I hope that this is being seen as an opportunity for WMUK, 
and the fact that the minutes indicate that other fellow-traveller 
organisations are being approached with regards options is very positive.

I'd like to ask: are options outside of London being considered?

Also, would WMUK be able to provide an update on the office move to this list, 
and perhaps ask for input on this move from list subscribers, please?

Thanks,
Mike

[1] https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Minutes_2016-03-12#Development_House_update
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] What Volunteer Equipment should we buy?

[Michael Peel]

> On 22 Jul 2016, at 10:54, geni  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 21 July 2016 at 23:53, Katie Chan  > wrote:
> 
> 
> It's not so much the need for a bigger one, but rather another one. There's 
> currently one for the 3 cameras that can use it. Personally, there's events I 
> can certainly photograph much better/at all with another telephoto lens given 
> the existing one being used in Wales currently.
> KTC
> 
> 
> Well affordable third party long zooms don't have the best of reputations so 
> your options would probably be either the Canon EF-S 55-250 mm f/4-5.6 IS STM 
>  (amazon says £163) or if you wanted a bit more reach a second hand canon EF 
> 70–300mm f/4–5.6 IS USM (London camera exchange says £250) but thats about 
> twice the weight:
> 
> https://www.lcegroup.co.uk/Used/Canon-EF-70-300MM-IS-USM_151341.html 
> 

If you want something that can cover the whole range, then Sigma do some quite 
nice superzoom lenses - I've been using an 18-200mm stabilised lens as my 
every-day lens on my 60D since 2010. There's a newer (2012-era) 18-250mm lens 
that looks better:
https://www.ephotozine.com/article/sigma-18-250mm-f-3-5-6-3-dc-macro-os-hsm-lens-review-19470
costing around £200-£280 - but I'm a bit out of date on the newest lenses...

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[Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey results

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

I'm pleased to announce the results of the wikimeet survey that ran late last 
year. The summary and full details are now on Meta at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/UK_Wikimeet_survey_2015

The key results from the survey that should affect future wikimeets are:
- Organising wikimeets in South East England should be a priority (We are 
assuming that when people selected this, they meant official South East England 
region, which does not include London, since that was a separate option)
- There should be more local wikimeets: ideally they should be no more than 
about 30 minutes away from a number of Wikimedians, who should only have to pay 
£5-£10 to get to the wikimeet by public transportation.
- The best times for a wikimeet are on Saturday or Sunday afternoons, 
preferably in a museum/cultural institute or a cafe rather than a pub.
- Better notifications should be sent around about upcoming wikimeets, ideally 
through email, user talk pages and watchlists, on a regional or UK-wide basis 
about a month in advance of the wikimeet.
- There are a number of people who would potentially be willing to organise a 
local wikimeet, but most need more information about this, and others need 
assistance. WMUK should follow up with those that are willing to organise 
wikimeets to offer them any support/assistance that they need.

Please post any comments on the talk page for the results. Hopefully we can try 
implementing some of the suggested changes to wikimeets and the way that 
wikimeet notifications are circulated in the near future!

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ? template press release for local press

[Michael Peel]

There was an old system for WMUK press releases at:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Press_releases 

but I don't think that's been used for a number of years now. There might be 
something there that could be salvaged.

Thanks,
Mike

> On 21 Feb 2016, at 04:20, Simon Knight  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rod
> I had a quick go at editing attached (apologies, I haven't put it on Wiki), 
> to do with as you wish.  
> 
> It'd be good to have a template guidance for things like this, are there 
> resources already(?) or could any volunteers/staff put something together? 
> (For me, I'm really keen to have actionable things so people can easily find 
> out more, and perhaps even on board as editors/volunteers).
> 
> Best
> Simon
> 
> On 19 February 2016 at 02:26, Rod Ward  > wrote:
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Sorry I should have said “Todays’ Featured Article” (TFA), some of which get 
> hundreds of thousands of page views in a 24 hour period. I was hoping to use 
> it to encourage others in the local area to get involved.
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve drafted the attached & I’d welcome any suggestions for improvement, 
> copyediting etc. I would be hoping to send this out to local media 7-10 days 
> before the significant date.
> 
>  
> 
> Rod
> 
>  
> 
> From: Wikimediauk-l [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Katherine 
> Bavage
> Sent: 18 February 2016 13:40
> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] ? template press release for local press
> 
>  
> 
> Ahah! Somewhat better than the DYK I scored once!
> 
>  
> 
> This is awesome. Rod I'm happy to help with drafting a press release if you 
> want? Also make sure you get WMUK to share on twitter as tbh thats where a 
> lot of journos pick things up when they're trying to put together web or 
> broadcast items of interest for the afternoon
> 
>  
> 
> :)
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 at 11:13 Richard Nevell  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>  
> 
> I'm not aware of such a press release, but I'll ask round the office.
> 
>  
> 
> TFA stands for Today's Featured Article. Each day the front page has a 
> different article which has gone through Wikipedia's review processes and has 
> been assessed as one of its best articles. You can spot Featured Articles by 
> the little bronze star in the top right hand corner of the article.
> 
>  
> 
> When articles appear on the front page they typically see a big spike in 
> reader numbers. So yesterday's TFA was seen by 37,000 people 
> 
>  compared to its usual level of 250 
> .
>  TFA is the top left section on desktop view, and the first thing you see 
> after the search option on mobile.
> 
>  
> 
> Richard
> 
>  
> 
> On 18 February 2016 at 10:51, Katherine Bavage  > wrote:
> 
> PS If NOT happy to work with people on the UK wiki to draft something :)
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 at 10:50 Katherine Bavage  > wrote:
> 
> Pardon my ignorance - what's TFA? 
> 
>  
> 
> However, I echo the question as would be handy for the Leeds Art+Feminism 
> event
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 at 10:25 Rod Ward  > wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a “template” press release they have used for the local 
> press?
> 
> Bristol will be TFA on 7 March and I wondered if it would be worth putting 
> out a press release to local papers etc to encourage more people to edit.
> 
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[Wikimediauk-l] Next meetups in the North-West: Manchester 23 Jan, Liverpool 27 Feb

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

There are two wikimeets planned in the north-west this month and next, namely:

Manchester: Saturday 23 January
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Manchester/32

Liverpool: Saturday 27 February
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Liverpool/18

Please come along if you're in the area!

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Reminder about the PARTY tomorrow!

[Michael Peel]

Hi Lucy,

I hope the party goes well. :-) Sadly, it's cost-prohibitive to attend an 
evening event in London from the north of the UK, perhaps next time it could be 
an afternoon event, or held at a more central location, instead?

Thanks,
Mike

> On 15 Jan 2016, at 11:35, Lucy Crompton-Reid 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear all
> 
> This is just a quick reminder about the 15th Birthday Party for Wikipedia 
> that WMUK are holding tomorrow evening:
> 
> Saturday 16th January
> 7.30 - 10.30pm
> Newspeak House
> 133 Bethnal Green Road
> London E2 7DG
> 
> The nearest station is Shoreditch High Street, just a few minutes away, and 
> Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green tube stations are pretty much equidistant 
> - about a 10 - 15 minute walk depending on your stride!
> 
> There will be speeches from several people involved in the movement, 
> including Jimmy Wales, who will also cut the (rather magnificent) cake. Wine, 
> beer and soft drinks are provided, along with some nibbles. 
> 
> I hope to see many of you there. There's still time to sign up here:
> 
> https://www .eventbrite.co.uk/ 
> e/wikipedias-15th-birthday-party-tickets-20509187532
> 
> Or just let us know you're coming via this mailing list. 
> 
> Best wishes
> Lucy
> 
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[Wikimediauk-l] international Libre Graphics Meeting 2016, London

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

This might be of interest to people in London, or active with graphics software:
http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2016/call-for-participation/ 


"The eleventh annual international Libre Graphics Meeting 2016 will take place 
Friday 15th until Monday 18th April 2016 in London, UK. This yearly event is an 
occasion for teams and individual contributors/artists involved in Libre 
Graphics to work together, to share experiences and to hear about new ideas. By 
Libre Graphics we mean Free, Libre and Open Source tools for design, 
illustration, photography, typography, art, graphics, page layout, publishing, 
3D modelling, digital making and manufacture, cartography, animation, video, 
interactive media, generative graphics and visual live-coding. The Libre 
Graphics Meeting is not just about software, but extends to standards, file 
formats and actual use of these in creative work. LGM has become the place in 
which they can discuss their projects, coordinate their efforts and, crucially, 
to meet in person. Participants in the LGM include developers, designers, 
academics and activists from around the world, who are all passionate about 
Free/Libre graphics software and technology."

The submission deadline for presentations is coming up soon, on the 10th 
January.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

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Hi Fabian/Leutha,

It would need some sort of working group arrangement, whether that's a 
wikiproject or otherwise. The crucial factors are identifying who is interested 
in helping with this type of project, and making sure that the relevant 
stakeholders from the other charities/groups are also included.

I can help with this, but I really don't have the time to take a lead to make 
this happen. Would anyone be interested in volunteering to lead this?

Thanks,
Mike

> On 13 Oct 2015, at 21:56, leu...@fabiant.eu wrote:
> 
> This sounds like a great idea, let's do it. I am not sure that a  WIkiproject 
>  work for this. Is there a better 
> way to approach things?
>  
> all the best
>  
> Fabian
> aka Leutha
> 
> > Rather than running our own events for new internet users, how about 
> > providing leaflets to 'Get Online' events that walk people through how to 
> > find information and multimedia on Wikipedia and its sister projects, and 
> > how to determine whether to trust it? If, of course, that's something that 
> > event attendees and organisers would find useful. This is something that 
> > could easily be done in cooperation with other charities/groups that have 
> > more experience than WMUK/Wikimedians at onlining people, to make sure they 
> > contain the most relevant information in the most accessible way possible. 
> > 
> > Thanks, 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK website certificate

[Michael Peel]

I no longer get the warning message when I try to access wikimedia.org.uk - so 
it looks like it's fixed! Well done Tom!

Thanks,
Mike

> On 16 Oct 2015, at 13:54, Thomas Morton  wrote:
> 
> Thanks John.
> 
> SO I think I might have nailed it... anyone care to independently test?
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 at 13:45 John Mark Vandenberg  wrote:
> Thomas, you might like to try using pywikibot to access the uk chapter wiki 
> ... ?
> 
> That is how I encountered the cert problem, and it fails fairly reliably on 
> Python 2.7.5 unix.
> 
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/246213/
> 
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Thomas Morton 
>  wrote:
> Okay I am at a loss now.
> 
> I have re-installed, refreshed, hacked around with the certificate chains and 
> cannot get any different result.
> 
> As it is, I cannot emulate the issue in any reliable form :( (except for 
> once, briefly)
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 at 13:16 Richard Symonds 
>  wrote:
> Gordo - sadly we don't have the budget or time to upgrade to Phabricator. 
> Given how few of us use our installation anyway, it would be a fair amount of 
> work for not a lot of gain. Perhaps in future when there's more time 
> available!
> 
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> On 16 October 2015 at 13:07, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> On 15/10/15 23:53, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
> > So I create an account, but the confirmation email doesnt arrive...
> 
> 
> I am slightly surprised that this is with Bugzilla at all.
> 
> And not with Phabricator?
> 
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator
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> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/versus_Bugzilla
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

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Hi all,

It's worth remembering that editathons weren't originally intended to recruit 
new editors - they were aimed at bringing together experienced editors with 
knowledgable people (e.g. museum creators) to improve Wikipedia articles using 
the knowledge of both groups. The change to focus on new editors came along 
later (although I'm not sure exactly when!).

Rather than running our own events for new internet users, how about providing 
leaflets to 'Get Online' events that walk people through how to find 
information and multimedia on Wikipedia and its sister projects, and how to 
determine whether to trust it? If, of course, that's something that event 
attendees and organisers would find useful. This is something that could easily 
be done in cooperation with other charities/groups that have more experience 
than WMUK/Wikimedians at onlining people, to make sure they contain the most 
relevant information in the most accessible way possible.

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[Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see:
http://getonlineweek.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week

It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think about 
offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more 'how to read' 
rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] New Chief Executive starts today

[Michael Peel]

> On 9 Oct 2015, at 15:57, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> 
> On 09/10/15 15:56, Gordon Joly wrote:
>> That's probably a job for User:A.N.Other ... (editing Apples and Pears
>> article)...
> 
> OOPS. Don't trust me to edit anything!
> 
> "Apples and Snakes"

To avoid potential future problems: Lucy, please read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest
rather than trying to edit that article!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

I'll be closing the survey shortly, so if you want to fill it in but haven't 
yet, then please do so today!

Thanks,
Mike

> On 20 Sep 2015, at 18:32, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The survey is now live at:
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JJMNVVD 
> <https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JJMNVVD>
> Please fill it in!
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

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Hi D'Arcy,

Thanks! I've now added that option at the end. People can also sign up on-wiki 
at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimeet_survey/notification_list 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimeet_survey/notification_list>
to receive a summary of the findings.

Thanks,
Mike

> On 21 Sep 2015, at 08:18, D'Arcy Myers <darcy.my...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dear Mike
> Good survey. Is it too late to add a contacts section at the end for people 
> who would like to leave their details so that they can receive a summary of 
> the survey findings?
> Kind regards
> D'Arcy
> 
> On 20 September 2015 at 17:32, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net 
> <mailto:em...@mikepeel.net>> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> The survey is now live at:
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JJMNVVD 
> <https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JJMNVVD>
> Please fill it in!
> 
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> Mike
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

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Hi all,

The survey is now live at:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JJMNVVD 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Smoking is less addictive ;)

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Hi Lester,

I've made a few formatting tweaks, and removed the warning banner, you can see 
the changes at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Weston-Sub-Edge=revision=681033688=681031791

The bullet point list / references that you've added to the name section should 
be formatted using the syntax described at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#How_to_place_an_inline_citation_using_ref_tags

Can you change the list to use this formatting method, and move the references 
to where you're using them in the text?

Thanks,
Mike

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> citations, but I know it still needs some more. I have some history to
> add to the Industrial Estate which dates form the 2nd world war when it
> was part of the airfield. And I think I've actually tracked down the
> source of the name confusion, but not sure if that is 'original research'.
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

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Hi all,

Thanks for your comments! And sorry for the delay in moving this forward. I 
think it's now pretty much finalised, so if anyone has any last comments please 
let me know. The latest version is at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimeet_survey#Survey

In response to a couple of the points raised:

 On 14 May 2015, at 07:55, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:
 
 This sounds a very worthwhile exercise and subject to comments by D'Arcy and 
 the staff team I think it's very likely that this could be done association 
 with WMUK.  No doubt the bulk of the work in preparing the survey and 
 analysing the results would be done by a group of volunteers, with you 
 leading (volunteers in front, as it should be!).  Do you have an idea of what 
 resources you'd like from the charity?  Perhaps WMUK could use its volunteer 
 and member database to broaden the reach of the survey by distributing it by 
 email?


Thanks! The resources I'm hoping WMUK can provide are:
- Access to survey software to run the survey (e.g., surveymonkey);
- Oversight to make sure that the survey data is kept confidential and deleted 
after the results have been compiled;
- Distribution through its volunteer/membership database.
I'll email D'Arcy and Richard to see if this is possible, and to start 
preparing the survey to be run.

 On 18 May 2015, at 12:12, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com 
 wrote:
 
 I had one comment, about audience(s). There are people who attend meetups, 
 and people who might. There are those who organise them, and again those who 
 might. Some division up of questions accordingly could be helpful.

There are questions about how many wikimeets people have attended, and I've 
also added one about whether they've organised one. I'm not sure that we want 
to ask each group different questions; I think this is where cross-correlations 
between the different answers might provide useful insights.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Photo contests (was visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons)

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With WLM: I was hoping that this would take place again this year, particularly 
since it's been so successful in the past. Perhaps it could focus on quality 
photos rather than quantity if we have reasonably comprehensive coverage of 
listed structures now? Or perhaps we could think of a new topic for such a 
photography competition - perhaps we could focus on statues, new buildings, 
ships, or something else? I guess it depends on what else might have a 
standardised listing available. I'd be interested in volunteering to help, 
particularly with the on-wiki infrastructure side of things, but I definitely 
wouldn't be able to take a lead.

With requested photos: thanks WSC for the offer! I'd be happy to adopt the 
Greater Manchester county, and to do my best to photograph the requested 
locations if they don't already have available photographs.

Thanks,
Mike

 On 12 Aug 2015, at 16:32, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have been going through the not particularly useful category Wikipedia 
 requested photographs in the United Kingdom 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_the_United_Kingdom
  removing some that are done, doing a few either via commons or by importing 
 them from the Geograph, and most importantly moving a lot of them down to the 
 much more useful level of nation or in England to County.
 
 So if you fancy taking a few photos and putting them  on Wikipedia  we 
 probably have some current requests near you!
 
 Anyone fancy adopting a county? First couple to call for help I will go 
 through the requests for that county next week and pick off any I can import 
 from the Geograph, which should make it a bit more practical to do the rest 
 (offer excludes London, Scotland and Wales due to them being too big).
 
 Regards
 
 Jonathan
 
 On 12 August 2015 at 10:45, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk 
 mailto:stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 Hello Edward, everyone,
 
 If there's a volunteer willing to take the lead on Monuments then we can 
 offer a little logistical support. However, the volunteers that delivered it 
 last year said it was an enormous amount of work and don't have the time. If 
 you would like to lead on it then we can help, although time is very short at 
 this point.
 
 Thanks and regards,
 
 Stevie
 
 On 12 August 2015 at 10:35, Ed Hand edwar...@gmail.com 
 mailto:edwar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are we taking part in Wiki Loves Monuments this year?
 No mention of the UK here:
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2015/Participating_countries
  
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2015/Participating_countries
 
 best wsihes
 Edward
 
 On 10 August 2015 at 16:43, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com 
 mailto:werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have now used the visual editor for more than a hundred edits since the 
 speed up. I agree that the classic editor is generally faster and I suspect 
 that will be especially true for anyone editing large articles as V/E's still 
 lacks section editing.
 
 I like the way V/E supports infobox editing, one of the things I sometimes do 
 is add images to articles and with the classic editor you usually have the 
 pain of having to check the template documentation to find out what the 
 parameters are for image and caption (sadly and for no obvious reason these 
 parameters are unlikely to be image and caption). V/E is actually quite 
 intuitive here in allowing you to run through the unused parameters of the 
 infobox.
 
 Table editing is more nuanced, on the one hand there are handy looking 
 options that come up inviting you to delete or add columns or rows and I'm 
 sure at some point I will find an opportunity to use them. But editing the 
 contents of a cell in a table is challenging, not a task I would suggest to a 
 newbie and far less intuitive than using the classic editor.
 
 Adding images from commons is really quite impressive in V/E, I haven't yet 
 been in the situation of having to work out which Newcastle V/E is prompting 
 me with and it would be good to know whether V/E is using wiki data links, 
 keywords, geocodes or some combination. But however it does it the images it 
 has prompted me with so far have been pretty good.
 
 Not sure between Joe and Andy's positions re showing diffs. I have had very 
 little to do with the education program, but I appreciate for educators 
 knowing how to look at the contributions of a student is important. I think 
 that V/E would be a better entry point for technophobes whilst clearly the 
 classic editor is better for the technoscenti. How you recruit one or other 
 group for an editathon without stereotyping is an interesting conundrum. If 
 you have access to a large mailing list of people who might be interested 
 then you could do two sorts of sessions, one emphasising that this was 
 Wikipedia editing for anyone, especially people who 

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikidata training

[Michael Peel]

 On 3 Aug 2015, at 16:31, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 
 We can host this at Wikimedia UK to keep costs down.

That's not the only way to keep costs down - please also think about looking 
for donated venues outside of London! A more central location might mean that 
more volunteers can attend more easily, and without the expense of traveling 
into central London.

(I'd be interested in this, but I can't justify the ~£80 it would cost me to 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Volunteer Strategy Day, 25th July.

[Michael Peel]

Hi Stuart  all,

The AGM has always previously been open to non-members: it's proven to be a 
good way to get new members from amongst the attendees of the surrounding 
event, and there's always been a (running) board meeting prior to the elections 
so that new members could be approved [1]. How come the change to a 
members-only AGM this year?

The AGM also used to take place in the middle of the day/event (normally 
straight after lunch), quite deliberately: it makes it easier for those that 
need to arrive late/leave early in the day to attend it (e.g., for 
long-distance travel); it meant that the AGM was time-limited by the demands of 
the AGM rather than an arbitrary time limit (e.g., the room booking ending); 
and it meant there was plenty of time to count the votes before the day 
finished. It's not clear why this has also changed this year to be at the end 
of an event instead...

Thanks,
Mike

[1] e.g., https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Minutes_8Jun13a

 On 22 Jun 2015, at 15:13, Stuart Prior stuart.pr...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 
 Gordo,
 
 Sorry, late reply. No, only the Volunteer Strategy bit is open to 
 non-members. To attend the AGM you have to be a member.
 
 Best
 
 Stuart
 
 On 15 June 2015 at 22:07, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com 
 mailto:gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
 On 15/06/15 14:56, Stuart Prior wrote:
 
  This is open to members and non-members alike.
 
 
 Both events (Volunteer Strategy Day and AGM) we assume?
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Deadline for Members' Resolutions

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 On 19 Jun 2015, at 16:12, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
 
 The deadline for members' resolutions for this year's AGM is just a week away 
 on 26 June.
 
 See https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/2015_Annual_General_Meeting/planning 
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/2015_Annual_General_Meeting/planning

So the call for member resolutions from the Board is overdue/imminent?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Deadline for Members' Resolutions

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 On 19 Jun 2015, at 21:48, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  I don't need to travel to London to have somebody read Report by XYZ to 
  me. YMMV.
 
 There is of course the volunteer strategy day prior to the AGM.

It's scheduled to take place on the same day as the AGM?

 And there will be elections to the Board.

Details to come soon?

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[Wikimediauk-l] Moderation of Fae

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(Forwarding from wikimedia-l: Fæ intended to send it to this list. His resent 
email is in the moderation queue...)

 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Fæ fae...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation of Fae
 Date: 24 May 2015 13:59:34 BST
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 It has now been over a year that my email address was put on
 moderation (perhaps someone would like to provide a date, I have not
 trawled the archives). In the absence of any appeal process, I ask
 that this is lifted.
 
 My most recent email to this list has yet to be posted, it has been
 waiting for 9 days. Waiting for several days or over a week is now the
 norm for my rare posts to list. Though not one of my emails has ever
 been rejected from publication, this effectively makes communication
 impossible and amounts to an effective ban after being black-balled.
 
 Based on timing, I was put on moderation apparently due to Russavia's
 incivil posts to Wikimedia-l, not because of any email I have ever
 posted to this list that anyone can provide a link to, nor for any
 reason of incivility on my part. If I am to remain forever on
 moderation I ask that a clear rationale be given so that I can change
 the wording I use in emails to met whatever the list moderators
 believe is needed. At the current time I am completely in the dark as
 nobody will discuss this with me or provide examples.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Restructure and CEO appointment update

[Michael Peel]

 The staff page [2] will be updated to reflect the new staffing over the next 
 two weeks.
 [2] https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Staff

The page seems to be in the process of being updated, see:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Staffdiff=65842oldid=63946

It sounds like Katherine Bavage, Toni Sant, Katie Chan, Jonathan Cardy and 
Fabian Tompsett have been let go, which is really sad news. :-(

(Also: Davina Johnson seems to have become a member of staff rather than a 
contractor? It's not clear what's happened with the tech contractors: they seem 
to have been removed from the page with no clear answer on their future role...)

Thanks,
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[Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeet survey

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

   tl;dr summary: I'm planning to run a survey about wikimeets in the near 
future. Do you have any comments/suggestions on the draft? See:
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimeet_survey

At a recent meetup, a Wikipedian who was new to wikimeets pointed out that the 
event had the air of a gentleman's club about it. Looking around at the 
high-back comfy chairs, the Victorian-era interior decorations, the pints of 
real ale, and the mostly-male (and regular) attendees, I couldn't really 
disagree with their assessment. This started me thinking: are there better 
venues and times to hold meetups, or better ways of advertising/inviting people 
to planned meetups? What would make them more open and inviting to new editors, 
or the many long-term editors that have never attended a meetup?

As an experiment to try to improve the attendance and advertising of wikimeets 
in the North of England, a few months ago I posted messages on the talk pages 
of previous wikimeet attendees about the last Leeds and Manchester wikimeets, 
and the Liverpool wikimeet coming up this weekend. There was, unexpectedly, a 
pretty good response, with a number of people signing up to attend the 
wikimeets. I'm not sure whether it was a direct consequence or not, but we had 
a long-term editor attend the last Manchester wikimeet who hadn't previously 
attended a wikimeet. I couldn't attend the last Leeds wikimeet: was anyone 
there and able to say whether it made a difference or not? I'm hoping that the 
irregular wikimeet attendees who have signed up for the Liverpool meetup will 
be there!

It also started a longer conversation with Iridescent [1], which led to the 
idea of having some sort of a UK-wide notifications list. During that 
conversation, I started drafting a survey of past and potential wikimeet 
attendees with the aim of getting some quantified and actionable answers about 
how to improve wikimeets, and also improve communication about wikimeets. The 
latest draft of the survey is at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimeet_survey

Amongst other things, the survey draft asks about how people get to wikimeets; 
when and where wikimeets should be held; what activities should take place at 
wikimeets; and how notifications about an upcoming meetup would ideally be 
circulated.

I'm hoping to run this survey soon, so if you are interested in improving the 
survey questions then please send me an email or post on the talk page before 
the end of the month! In particular, if you currently organise (or regularly 
attend) wikimeets, then I'd greatly appreciate your input/feedback about the 
survey questions before it goes live. Ideally the survey would be run in 
association with WMUK, but given the recent turmoil I'm not sure if this will 
be possible, so I'll run it myself unless WMUK expresses an interest in helping 
out with it!

Thanks,
Mike

[1] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iridescent/Archive_17#Next_meetups_in_North_England
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Restructure and CEO appointment update

[Michael Peel]

The new structure looks good, but it's missing details. Compare it with the 
current structure at:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Template:Staff_hierarchy 
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Template:Staff_hierarchy
In particular, what does 'Project Coordinator' mean in terms of the established 
types of projects? Will they be general purpose, or focused on specific areas 
(GLAM/education/Wales/...?) Why does 'admin support' come under programs rather 
than operations/finance? Also, where do contractors (tech/accountancy) fall in 
this structure?

Thanks,
Mike

 On 12 May 2015, at 13:31, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:
 
 Statement by D'Arcy Myers, interim chief executive:
 Following on from my statement on 9th March, in which I explained that the 
 board had asked me to undertake a review of the charity's structure, I am now 
 able to give you an update.
 
 The period since March has been one of active review, though out of respect 
 for individual staff and to ensure an objective and fair process we have not 
 been providing a public narrative. I can however now announce that the staff 
 discussions, review, appeal periods and subsequent restructure have just been 
 concluded.
 
 In order to ensure that the charity is best resourced to deliver impactful 
 projects we have made a number of staff role changes, and the total staff 
 headcount has been reduced from 14 to 9. Initially, 8 positions were 
 proposed, but following full discussions with the staff it has been decided 
 that we do actually require 9. The new organogram can be seen at [1]. The 
 staff page [2] will be updated to reflect the new staffing over the next two 
 weeks.
 
 It is always regrettable to have to restructure in a way that loses staff who 
 have contributed much to the charity. We thank the departing staff and wish 
 them all the best. If anyone would like to make personal contact, please note 
 that staff emails and accounts on the UK wiki will continue to be active 
 until month end.
 
 I am confident that with the new structure we can be more responsive to new 
 ideas, bringing volunteering into the heart of our projects, and I would 
 encourage you to get involved.
 
 Another change in the staffing of the charity is the quest to find our new 
 CEO. We are looking for an ambitious CEO who will provide strategic 
 leadership and supportive management to volunteers and staff alike. They will 
 be working to increase our profile and impact with our partners, engage with 
 the volunteer community and develop our programme activity. A major part of 
 this leadership will be the development of new income streams. We have 
 retained the charity recruiters Prospectus to manage the recruitment process. 
 You can view the recruitment pack at [3].
 
 We expect to make an appointment in early July, and until such time as the 
 new CEO is in post and ready to take over I am honoured to be leading the 
 charity.
 
 D'Arcy Myers, interim CEO
 [1] 
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:Wikimedia_UK_Organisational_Structure_May_2015.pdf
  
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:Wikimedia_UK_Organisational_Structure_May_2015.pdf
 [2] https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Staff https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Staff
 [3] http://prospect-us.co.uk/jobs/details/hq00156774 
 http://prospect-us.co.uk/jobs/details/hq00156774 
 For the wiki version of this email, see: 
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Engine_room#CEO_appointment_progress 
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Engine_room#CEO_appointment_progress
 (Sent on behalf of D'Arcy Myers by Michael Maggs, Chair, Wikimedia UK) 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Apethorpe Hall

[Michael Peel]

English Heritage is apparently running guided tours this summer:
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/daysout/properties/apethorpe-palace/ 
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/daysout/properties/apethorpe-palace/
It's a bit too far for me to get to as a solo day-trip (it's a ~250-mile 
round-trip from Manchester), but if anyone in the Manchester area/en-route 
wants to share petrol costs then I'd be willing to give it a go. But it might 
be a bit easier for London-based people to get to? Or perhaps we could email 
them to ask if they could release some of their images under a free license?

Thanks,
Mike

 On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:12, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk 
 wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Apethorpe Hall in Northamptonshire was in the news recently 
 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/architecture/11333447/French-baron-saves-crumbling-Jacobean-manor-from-ruin.html
  as it's going to be substantially renovated. At the moment, there are only 
 three pictures of the hall on Commons 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Apethorpe_Hall.
 
 I thought I'd let you all know about it in case it's of interest and someone 
 has any good ideas.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [[Category:Media missing infobox template]]

[Michael Peel]

Richard's right. See:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/11/07/cleaning-up-file-metadata-for-humans-and-robots/
 
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/11/07/cleaning-up-file-metadata-for-humans-and-robots/
and links therein for more info.

Thanks,
Mike

 On 7 Dec 2014, at 13:42, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk 
 wrote:
 
 It's for files that don't have 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Information 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Information included on their 
 page. 
 
 As I understand, there is a drive on commons to get this included on all 
 images to help automate attribution etc...
 
 Please correct me if I'm wrong!
 
 Richard Symonds
 Wikimedia UK
 0207 065 0992
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 Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered 
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 movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who 
 operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
 Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over 
 Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
 
 On 7 December 2014 at 11:01, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com 
 mailto:gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 
 Hello chums,
 
 Why are some of my files on Commons being added to this Category?
 
 [[Category:Media missing infobox template]]
 
 Regards,
 
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[Wikimediauk-l] Cornelia Parker to create huge Wikipedia-inspired replication of Magna Carta at British Library

[Michael Peel]

This is very cool:
http://www.culture24.org.uk/art/craft/art508130-cornelia-parker-to-create-huge-wikipedia-inspired-replication-of-magna-carta-at-british-library
 
http://www.culture24.org.uk/art/craft/art508130-cornelia-parker-to-create-huge-wikipedia-inspired-replication-of-magna-carta-at-british-library
... hopefully they chose a vandalism-free version of the article to stitch!

(spotted via wmfcc-l)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Reducing the copyright term for (some) unpublished works

[Michael Peel]

Thanks Andrew - that’s a good start. :-) I’ve added some of my suggested 
answers to some of the questions. I’ve cc’d commons-l who I’m sure will be able 
to suggest better answers that I can…

Thanks,
Mike

 On 23 Nov 2014, at 23:14, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Some initial thoughts at
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/2039_consultation 
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/2039_consultation - comments
 appreciated.
 
 Andrew.
 
 On 7 November 2014 at 17:58, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk 
 mailto:andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 The government is currently consulting on reducing the copyright term
 in some unpublished material - this is the 2039 problem that a
 number of institutions have been raising in recent weeks, where
 unpublished works can be in copyright until 2039 despite being
 potentially several centuries old.
 
 https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/reducing-the-duration-of-copyright-in-certain-unpublished-works
 
 This seems like something where WMUK should submit a response (we have
 a pretty clear interest in rationalising the regulations here).
 Deadline is a month away so we've got some time to think about it.
 
 I'm happy to draft up some notes for us to send in if no-one else is
 putting something together - have we been looking at this already?
 
 Andrew.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Launch of Open Government Licence 3.0

[Michael Peel]

This is somewhat sad news; it’s a shame they couldn’t simply adopt a Creative 
Commons license for their works, even though they say that their new license is 
compatible with CC-BY-4.0. :-(

Thanks,
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 On 6 Nov 2014, at 21:26, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 
 Just in:
 
   http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/970.htm
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] Statistics for usage of QRpedia codes

[Michael Peel]

I’m not the best person to talk to about this - I’m cc’ing wikimediauk-l so 
that the people that are will see this.

Thanks,
Mike

 On 24 Oct 2014, at 12:11, vassia atanassova vassia.atanass...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you, Fae
 Hope that Doug and Mike will be able and willing to lend us a helping hand :)
 Vassia
 
 On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com 
 mailto:fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Vassia,
 
 I'm copying in Doug and Mike as they have an interest in governing
 QRpedia development and they may not watch this list.
 
 Cheers,
 Fae
 
 On 22 October 2014 19:33, vassia atanassova vassia.atanass...@gmail.com 
 mailto:vassia.atanass...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello, all! :)
 
  I am Vassia / User:Spiritia from the Bulgarian Wikipedia, and some of you
  have probably heard of our WMF-funded project with Sofia Zoo to place
  QRcodes and contents from Wikimedia on the information boards of all
  exhibited animals.
 
  After Wikimania-London, where I met Roger Bamkin and we spoke about QRpedia
  and the possibilities for statistics of its usage, I tried to contact him
  recently, but got no response. (Roger, hope you're well!) Anyway, I guess
  someone else may also be of help.
 
  My colleagues from the Sofia Zoo are very interested to have some (or any!)
  statistics about the performance of our zoo-located QR codes.
 
  There is a particular occasion for this request. There will be a European
  zoo conference in March 2015, and they would like to report their experience
  with Wikimedia, but back it up with some hard data.
 
  The articles covered with QRpedia codes along this project are listed here:
  http://bit.ly/1r3eKwl http://bit.ly/1r3eKwl
 
  Please, anyone who is able and willing to help, contact me and tell me what
  other information may be needed to complete the research (or instruct us how
  to do it by ourselves?)
 
  Thank you very much in advance!
 
  Vassia / Spiritia
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Quirky Wikipedia articles

[Michael Peel]

Hi Stevie,

If you haven’t yet seen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unusual_articles
then that would be a good place for participants to start from.

Thanks,
Mike

On 9 Oct 2014, at 15:05, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Hello everyone. 
 
 As a part of a project that we're developing to participate in the Science 
 Museum Lates event in November, I'm looking for a selection of quirky 
 Wikipedia articles - think Buffalo buffalo (etc) and Toilet paper 
 orientation, those that are odd but still have some academic or scientific 
 merit. Participants in the session will be selecting some of their favourite 
 lines from unusual Wikipedia articles and putting them together to create 
 found poetry. I'm looking for some of the quirkier articles that might be fun 
 for this, so if you have any suggestions please do let me know! 
 
 Thank you,
 
 Stevie 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimeets in the papers - worth publicising?

[Michael Peel]

This is definitely a great idea, well done. :-) I think the last time that 
local ads were tried for events was back in 2010 with Britain Loves Wikipedia 
at the Postal Museum and Archive, which worked really well.

Another option is for WMUK to invite local donors to come along to them - I 
think this might have been done before, but I can’t recall whether it was a 
success or not. Perhaps we could give this a go for the Manchester wikimeet on 
the 27th?

Thanks,
Mike

On 18 Sep 2014, at 10:54, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 I noticed this:
 http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Cambridge-host-Wikipedia-website-8216-Wikimeet/story-22945215-detail/story.html
 
 Just a short local press story noting there's a wikimeet happening.
 
 It strikes me that wikimeets in general might be worth sending press
 releases about. Get interested members of the general public (i.e. our
 readers) along. Thoughts?
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Expired security certificate

[Michael Peel]

On 1 Sep 2014, at 08:39, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Not a bad idea. However, I think a decision on that needs to come from staff.
 
 And, also, Emmanuel might need to look at how to do it because it’s his 
 config that manages the current site layout and I don’t want to break it :D

Sounds like that might be due to:
WP admin panel - 'Settings' - 'General' - 'WordPress Address (URL)' and 
'Site Address (URL)'
Change them to 'http' rather than 'https' for now. (I don't think // works in 
these fields)?

(This is one reason why it's better to always enable *both* http and https 
rather than forcing one option...)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] New overlaying website is live

[Michael Peel]

Hi Stevie,

Unsurprisingly, I really don't like it. :-(

But more seriously: it breaches WMUK's privacy policy by giving information 
about visitors to the site directly to Google and Youtube (and also the WMF, 
but that's less of an issue). It also doesn't link to the privacy policy, 
though, so maybe it doesn't apply to this website?

Additionally, you are breaching the terms of the CC-BY-SA-4.0 license by your 
use of my photo at:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/activity/culture/
without attribution, and without linking to the appropriate license. Please fix 
that within the 30 days grace period described in the license text.

Thanks,
Mike

On 8 Aug 2014, at 09:20, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Hello everyone, 
 
 I'm very happy to report that Wikimedia UK's new overlay website is live. 
 Just to reiterate that this is intended for people new to our work and 
 encountering us for the first time. Experienced Wikimedians and our community 
 are not the primary audience for this. But I'd like to know what you think, 
 so please do take a look. 
 
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/
 
 I expect there are refinements needed and I have spotted a couple myself but 
 on the whole I am happy with it. I hope you like it.
 
 Huge thanks to everyone who helped on this, especially Emmanul Engelhart and 
 Tom Morton for their enormous patience and great skill. 
 
 Stevie
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM

[Michael Peel]

Most of what was sent out by post isn't on the wiki...

Thanks,
Mike

On 7 Aug 2014, at 08:27, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 And of course everything is on the wiki
 
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/2014_Annual_General_Meeting
 
 
 On 7 August 2014 08:24, Chris McKenna chris.mcke...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 Have you checked your spam folders?
 
 Its not a bad idea for everyone to add @wikimedia.org.uk to your whitelist to 
 make sure these emails go to your inbox.
 
 On 7 Aug 2014 08:13, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Lodewijk,
 
 I think you're not the only one, I haven't received any of the four either.
 
 Dhaval
 
 On 7 Aug 2014 00:11, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
 Might it be that for some reason I did not receive those? I do remember 
 seeing email a while ago (checked: 27 June), when things were preliminary 
 etc, but don't recall anything recent with the final agenda etc? And 
 definitely not four. And don't recall a post package either (but living 
 outside the UK that might be an exception). If you could send me the 
 dates/topics/sender I could check my archives and spam though.
 
 Anyway, if it was just me then too bad of course. Apologies if for some 
 reason I overlooked. 
 
 Best,
 Lodewijk
 
 
 2014-08-07 0:02 GMT+01:00 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk:
 Hi Lodewijk,
 
 I've sent four emails and a pack in the post...
 
 On 7 Aug 2014 00:00, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I was doubting if it would be worth to miss other sessions (one of which 
 facilitated by me) to join the WMUK agm this weekend, but I couldn't find an 
 email announcing the final agenda with prepared motions etc. I was curious, 
 is such an announcement towards the membership forthcoming, or did I miss 
 something?
 
 I know it is probably somewhere on the wiki, but this kind of information 
 would by me be very much appreciated in a push format rather than pull :) 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM

[Michael Peel]

But the old system we were using on civi worked fine for sending out reminders 
when membership went into grace?

Thanks,
Mike

 On 7 Aug 2014, at 12:51, Chris McKenna chris.mcke...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 
 A notice about your membership status has been automatically included at the 
 bottom of every newsletter sent out by WMUK in the past 12 months at least. 
 For example the last one I have saved said: Date of end of membership term: 
 2015-10-02 | Your Membership Status: Current (I will check that as I think 
 it should say 2014) 
 
 Jon has already indicated that moving forwards specific emails about 
 membership expiry will be sent as soon as the technology allows.
 
 [please note this message is sent in a person capacity, but my personal email 
 account is down currently]
 
 
 On 7 August 2014 12:26, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
 I must say that it is odd that if there is realization that a whole bunch of 
 memberships is about to lapse, nobody sends (even manually) a bunch of 
 reminders out... 
 
 
 2014-08-07 12:10 GMT+01:00 Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk:
 The old system of an alert at the bottom of the monthly newsletter was not 
 fit for purpose.
 
 We will now have a much better system with our new database that w will 
 send proper direct email reminders.
 
 Jon.
 
 
 
 On 7 August 2014 12:07, Andrew West andrewcw...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 7 August 2014 11:57, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
  Confusion solved, it seems WMUK lapsed my membership without 
  notification.
  So I didn't receive notices as I'm apparently no longer a member.
 
 That's exactly what happened to me.  I would have renewed my WMUK
 membership if I had been reminded, but I wasn't and so I am not
 eligible to vote this time.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Shaping our programme 2014-19

[Michael Peel]

Hi Jon,

I've left some comments on the talk page. [1]

I found your comment that Wikimedia UK has been inhibited by An Animal Farm 
culture of ‘Volunteers good, staff bad outrageous. That's never been the case, 
as is clearly demonstrated by the fact that we have staff rather than being an 
entirely volunteer-based organisation. Please can you either provide evidence 
to back up your statement here, or apologise for it. 

[1] 
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File_talk:Shaping_our_programme_2014.pdf#Comments_from_Mike

Thanks,
Mike

On 6 Aug 2014, at 12:19, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Dear community,
 
 We are now preparing for plans for next year. This is a complicated task with 
 many viewpoints and factors to consider. Your views are an important part of 
 this and I am publishing today a discussion paper with suggestions for how 
 the chapter can develop over the next year and beyond.
 
 You can access it  here 
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:Shaping_our_programme_2014.pdf
 
 Please comment on the discussion page.
 
 Thanks and hope to see many of you at Wikimania.  
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Shaping our programme 2014-19

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On 6 Aug 2014, at 21:15, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com 
wrote:

 
 On 6 August 2014 20:42, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:
 Hi Jon,
 
 I've left some comments on the talk page. [1]
 
 I found your comment that Wikimedia UK has been inhibited by An Animal Farm 
 culture of ‘Volunteers good, staff bad outrageous. That's never been the 
 case, as is clearly demonstrated by the fact that we have staff rather than 
 being an entirely volunteer-based organisation. Please can you either provide 
 evidence to back up your statement here, or apologise for it.
 
 Oh, good, a flame war. With a bit of talent and application, it could be made 
 to last to, what, Sunday evening? (Ex-staff being thin on the ground, perhaps 
 this member of that select group can comment that there is at least something 
 in what Jon is pointing to here.)

I'm not interested in a flame war. I'm after clear evidence or an apology, 
nothing more.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK are looking for a Fundraising Assistant

[Michael Peel]

 
 standard. 
 
 I can't pre-empt Trustee discussion and decision making about staffing 
 capacity, budgetary resources and volunteer led fundraising (I privately have 
 concerns that the latter though the most in line with our mission and indeed, 
 what I'm used to in the university sector, requires more staff support than 
 we currently have - but that is a point we could debate) but it would 
 certainly inform their thinking and mine if people gave their thoughts on 
 ways volunteers can lead fundraising either here or in the August survey.
 
 Final thought - I apologise that the staffing advert went out without a 
 better explanation like this first - I think I was a bit wrapped up in the 
 report process and I see now it's important to explain things too. Happy to 
 keep discussing here or on wiki as required.
 
 
 Katherine Bavage 
 Fundraising Manager 
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 movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who 
 operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
 Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over 
 Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
 
 
 On 21 July 2014 10:25, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 Good morning Mike, (and Charles and Harry),
 
 Answers in-line.
 
 
 On 20 July 2014 00:07, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:
 Hi Richard/WMUK staff,
 
 I'm rather puzzled by this. Given that:
 
 1) WMUK cannot raise funds through the Wikimedia annual fundraising campaign 
 any more, which means that the number of donors through that method will not 
 be increasing, and that the apparent alignment of this position with the 
 fundraising period (the position wraps up at the end of Jan 2015) is rather 
 misleading (unless WMUK is planning to compete against the annual fundraiser);
  
 You are completely correct, WMUK cannot raise funds through the Wikimedia 
 annual fundraising campaign any more, which means that the number of donors 
 through that method will not be increasing. But we still have a large number 
 of monthly and occasional donors. These need stewarding and their payment 
 monitored and processed, their queries answered and their gift aid 
 'paperwork' dealt with. This is a lot of work -at the backend' and needs to 
 be done professionally if we are to keep these donors, encourage them to 
 increase their donations and make  sure that all the processing is dealt with 
 properly.  
  
 2) WMUK already has a staff member who is focused on fundraising, and many 
 other staff members who can help with the administration work;
 
 
 Katherine's main role will be looking for major fundraising opportunities to 
 enable the chapter to develop further. The FDC funding is fairly static and 
 we need to be able to gain financial support from big trusts and institutions 
 for the ambitious protect, eg. around software development, that we would 
 like to undertake. It is my judgement, and that of the board's that we should 
 offer her temporary support to allow her to use her professional fundraising 
 skills to more effect.
 
 As to the 'many' other staff members.
 
 Discounting the temporary 4 Wikimania staff I wonder where these 'many other 
 staff members' with the capacity to help are?
 Take Stevie off comms and external work?
 Take Jonathan off his GLAM work?
 Take Toni off his Education work?
 Take Katie off volunteer support?
 Take Robin of his work in Wales?
 Take Richard S off his finance work - which has increased dramatically since 
 we were able to manage with a volunteer treasurer?
 Take Daria away from running our programmes?
 That leaves Richard N who is up to his eyes, especially with FDC reporting 
 and managing our civicrm work etc etc..
 
 So we might appear 'many' but in reality we are few and only human and work 
 long hours.
  
 3) This position wasn't included in WMUK's FDC application last year, with 
 the implication that funding for this position is not guaranteed in the long 
 run, despite the comment that the position may be renewable based on 
 evaluation of its effect;
 
 You are quite right. The funding is not guaranteed, hence the temporary 
 contract. If we find it helps pay for itself, we are currently undertaking a 
 review of our fundraising ambitions.  The FDC provides roughly two thirds of 
 our funding which means as an independent  charity and chapter we have the 
 flexibility to make local decisions.
 
 4) Volunteers are being excluded from assisting with this work;
 
 If a volunteer comes forward who is willing to commit themselves to this work 
 we would certainly welcome that as an option. In reality, and we know this 
 through our work over Wikimania, we have

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimania-l] Bring your old broken laptops to Wikimania!

[Michael Peel]

Note that these rules only apply to hand luggage, not to luggage that is 
checked in and stored in the hold. (as far as I can see, and bearing in mind 
that IANAL...)

Thanks,
Mike

On 28 Jul 2014, at 19:59, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 
 
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I don't know the English word for aguafiestas,
 
 wet blanket
 
 but anyway: in the security checks at the airports, if you can't turn on 
 your laptop, they may confiscate it and you are going to have a bad time. Be 
 careful with that.
 
 Indeed.To be more specific, here are the new rules at the UK airports:
 
 New Security Rules for the UK: A new security crackdown announced recently by 
 the UK
 Government means that all passengers flying INTO or OUT of the UK must ensure 
 all
 electronic devices being carried in hand luggage are sufficiently charged to 
 be turned on. US
 officials ordered some overseas airports with direct flights to the US, 
 including Heathrow and
 Manchester, to step up screening of electronic devices, such as mobile 
 phones, laptops, shavers
 and cameras. Any devices that can't be turned on might be confiscated.
  
 
 
 Patricio
 
 
 2014-07-28 15:18 GMT-03:00 HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com:
 Hi all,
 
 One of our volunteers asked me to put out a call for broken laptops. If you 
 have a broken laptop and you want somebody to help you fix it or you just 
 want to see it recycled, please bring it along to Wikimania!
 
 I imagine lots of us will have broken laptops knocking around, and this 
 could be a great opportunity to bring them back to life or to recycle them 
 properly.
 
 So we have an idea of demand, please email me off-list if you're interested.
 
 Thanks,   
  
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK are looking for a Fundraising Assistant

[Michael Peel]

Hi Richard/WMUK staff,

I'm rather puzzled by this. Given that:

1) WMUK cannot raise funds through the Wikimedia annual fundraising campaign 
any more, which means that the number of donors through that method will not be 
increasing, and that the apparent alignment of this position with the 
fundraising period (the position wraps up at the end of Jan 2015) is rather 
misleading (unless WMUK is planning to compete against the annual fundraiser);
2) WMUK already has a staff member who is focused on fundraising, and many 
other staff members who can help with the administration work;
3) This position wasn't included in WMUK's FDC application last year, with the 
implication that funding for this position is not guaranteed in the long run, 
despite the comment that the position may be renewable based on evaluation of 
its effect;
4) Volunteers are being excluded from assisting with this work;
5) WMUK has so far done nothing to seek funding outside of individual donors to 
the Wikimedia movement via the Wikimedia websites, and has not shared any plans 
to do anything along these lines any time soon,

how is this staff position being justified? Wouldn't it be better to invest in 
volunteer support work instead, given the current funding situation?

Thanks,
Mike

On 18 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk 
wrote:

 Hello,
 
 Wikimedia UK are now accepting applications for a Fundraising Assistant to 
 support the delivery of the charity's fundraising programme, in particular 
 working with our donors and undertaking the essential administrative tasks 
 involved with donor stewardship.
 
 If you are interested in applying, more details can be found here. The 
 deadline for applications is 5pm BST on Friday 1st August 2014. 
 
 Regards,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK are looking for a Fundraising Assistant

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Hi Harry,

That may sadly be true now that we have a lot of staff members, but 
historically that wasn't the case - I know that I volunteered a lot of my time 
to work on this sort of work, I know that Seddon also did so. I personally 
found the work I did very much more rewarding than I would have found going out 
on the high street with a coin collection box, given the cost:benefit ratio, 
and I'd hope that others would feel the same.

Thanks,
Mike

On 20 Jul 2014, at 00:33, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 Mike, on your point 4, I don't think you'll realistically find volunteers who 
 want to do this sort of back-end work (and there are probably good reasons - 
 eg data protection - for it to be done by staff). 
 
 I don't feel strongly enough to comment on nay of your other points, 
 especially not at this time of night, but I'm certainly not going to oppose 
 more volunteer support!
  
 Harry Mitchell
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 Phone: +44 (0) 7507 536971
 Skype: harry_j_mitchell
 From: Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net
 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, 20 July 2014, 0:07
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK are looking for a Fundraising   
 Assistant
 
 Hi Richard/WMUK staff,
 
 I'm rather puzzled by this. Given that:
 
 1) WMUK cannot raise funds through the Wikimedia annual fundraising campaign 
 any more, which means that the number of donors through that method will not 
 be increasing, and that the apparent alignment of this position with the 
 fundraising period (the position wraps up at the end of Jan 2015) is rather 
 misleading (unless WMUK is planning to compete against the annual fundraiser);
 2) WMUK already has a staff member who is focused on fundraising, and many 
 other staff members who can help with the administration work;
 3) This position wasn't included in WMUK's FDC application last year, with 
 the implication that funding for this position is not guaranteed in the long 
 run, despite the comment that the position may be renewable based on 
 evaluation of its effect;
 4) Volunteers are being excluded from assisting with this work;
 5) WMUK has so far done nothing to seek funding outside of individual donors 
 to the Wikimedia movement via the Wikimedia websites, and has not shared any 
 plans to do anything along these lines any time soon,
 
 how is this staff position being justified? Wouldn't it be better to invest 
 in volunteer support work instead, given the current funding situation?
 
 Thanks,
 Mike
 
 On 18 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk 
 wrote:
 
  Hello,
  
  Wikimedia UK are now accepting applications for a Fundraising Assistant to 
  support the delivery of the charity's fundraising programme, in particular 
  working with our donors and undertaking the essential administrative tasks 
  involved with donor stewardship.
  
  If you are interested in applying, more details can be found here. The 
  deadline for applications is 5pm BST on Friday 1st August 2014. 
  
  Regards,
  Richard Nevell
  
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  Wikimedia UK
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  Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered 
  Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. 
  United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia 
  movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who 
  operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] Wikimedian in Residence 2014 review - update

[Michael Peel]

I think this would be more factually accurate:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Wikimedian_in_Residence_2014_reviewdiff=58518oldid=58516

As a general comment: please consider including an executive summary along with 
a review that is this long. It's very difficult to find the key learning points 
/ statistics here.

Thanks,
Mike

On 1 Jul 2014, at 21:49, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 See if this helps any:
 
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Wikimedian_in_Residence_2014_reviewdiff=58516oldid=58512
 
 -- 
 Rexx
 
 
 
 On 1 July 2014 20:47, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com 
 wrote:
 On 1 July 2014 19:22, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 On 1 July 2014 18:45, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
 
  I agree that other projects should be considered,
  as useful background if nothing else
 
 Quite.
 
  but quibbling over details of the past isn't going to
  help the discussion move forward for the benefit
  of the *future* of these projects.
 
 I do not believe that reiterating my objection to past good work, by
 me and others, being written out of the chapter's history is
 quibbling, much less over details.
 
 Hmm, I recall an earlier thread on this list which was pretty much devoted to 
 contention over how the history of Wikipedians in residence got written. This 
 thread is intended to help a staff member do her job.
 
 It would be a shame, certainly, if WiRs became one of those don't bring that 
 up again topics. 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] Wikimedian in Residence 2014 review - update

[Michael Peel]

Please don't make personal attacks. :-(

Mike

On 1 Jul 2014, at 21:55, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote:

 Andy, please don't be a tit.
 
 On 1 Jul 2014 20:39, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 On 1 July 2014 20:12, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  All of you stop this.
 
 I note your instructions, and will act according to their authority.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [GLAM] Wikimedian in Residence 2014 review - update

[Michael Peel]

On 1 Jul 2014, at 22:11, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com 
wrote:

 On 1 July 2014 21:57, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:
 I think this would be more factually accurate:
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Wikimedian_in_Residence_2014_reviewdiff=58518oldid=58516
 
 Maybe. Isn't that the point I asked about on a previous occasion?  
 
 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediauk-l/2014-April/012066.html
 
 As you said there, Some of the history's never been recorded. So, editing 
 it into a report? 
 
 
 You may well think this is more factually accurate, and who knows, you may be 
 right. Does seem to be fighting the battles of a previous war, though, with a 
 source of iffy reliability. Not quite sure who this proxy war is against. 
 Frankly, there are reporting requirements on chapters, and so significant 
 matters should be documented. 

... and that's a good example of why I now have zero motivation to comment on 
anything that WMUK does nowadays. I should really have said publicly 
recorded. I just want to see what actually happened just a few years being 
properly described. But it feels like a battle to do that - so why should I 
bother?

(Please don't disregard my comment about tl;dr...)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

[Michael Peel]

On 10 Jun 2014, at 17:12, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 We have smartened it up already through the support of UK Wikipedians but it 
 has its limits.

This is the bit I don't understand. What does the current proposal do that 
*can't* be done on the wiki? Why do we *have* to have these non-editable pages? 
If it's just visual content, then that can be done on the wikis fairly 
straightforwardly *. If it's to add technical features (e.g. in-line contact 
forms etc.), then I can understand this move - it's analogous to how 
donate.wikimedia.org.uk isn't on-wiki as that uses technical features that the 
wiki can't support. My understanding is it's just the former, though, which is 
why this doesn't make sense to me.

* The exception being the side-bars / page surround, but that's an intrinsic 
part of the Wikimedia/Wikipedia brand identity (it's what people recognise as 
'Wikipedia' beyond the logo) so should really be kept regardless.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK soon move to an employee controlled website

[Michael Peel]

On 10 Jun 2014, at 20:16, Dan Garry (Deskana) djgw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Obviously for the more regular, hardcore WMUK volunteers, the wiki will 
 remain the primary resource, and if someone wants to become a hardcore 
 volunteer then they'll need to deal with that. But for other casual 
 volunteers, having the wiki not be a barrier to entry sounds good to me.

Although there is definitely a barrier for entry onto the wikis, a) that's a 
barrier for editing not reading content (here, I think we're primarily talking 
about trying to make content easier to read and harder to edit/comment 
on/contribute to), and b) one of the main points of WMUK is to help people 
overcome that barrier and start contributing to the Wikimedia projects!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Non-renewal of Wikimedia UK fundraiser agreement

[Michael Peel]

I believe she leaves at the end of this month.

Thanks,
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 Yes, I think that was probably her very last decision.
 
 Michael
 
 On 21 May 2014, at 15:11, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 21 May 2014 14:39, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
 
 Taken as a whole, it is clearly part of Sue Gardner's agenda to get rid of
 chapters - or at least reduce them to impotence. She has never been able to
 accept that chapters can often do jobs better than a centralised WMF.
 Despite the hollow words she has uttered over the years, when it comes to
 practical matters, she makes decisions based on increasing her own little
 empire at WMF to the detriment of those working for the Wikimedia movement
 throughout the rest of the world.
 
 
 Um, you do know she just left?
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Tools for identifying Wikimedians at press events, etc

[Michael Peel]

On 15 May 2014, at 20:50, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 15 May 2014 12:29, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:
 
 Andy, you mentioned that business cards were promised.  So far as I can
 recall, nothing along these lines has been brought to the board for at least
 a year.  Although I’m aware there were some discussions before then, which I
 believe may have been somewhat contentious (I’m not sure, as it was before
 my time)
 
 It was discussed, on- and then off- list, in August 2012. I'm sure Jon
 D or Richard S will be able to provide you with copies of relevant
 mails we were told then that the issue was that a mistake has been
 made and replacement would be with us within a week.

It's also worth reading through the emails in the board and office list 
archives about this issue for additional context. In particular, there was an 
issue with volunteers unexpectedly being given cards that gave them named 
positions rather than clearly saying they were volunteers, which gave rise to 
the question of whether WMUK was legally responsible for the actions of those 
handing out the cards. My understanding is that this issue can be surmounted by 
careful wording on the cards, but this topic should be carefully considered 
(probably by the board given the history here) before more such cards are 
produced.

In general, the use of the Wikipedia logo on such merchandise should be checked 
against the trademark agreement that WMUK has with the WMF, and also whether it 
opens WMUK up to legal action based on the actions of the volunteers holding 
such merchandise...

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[Wikimediauk-l] Test

[Michael Peel]

This is a test message to see if my email from this address gets through to the 
list or not. If it does, then yay my problem with posting to this list is 
fixed, and please accept my apologies for the spam. If it doesn't, then how did 
you get hold of this message?!

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Test

[Michael Peel]

Oh, cool, this came straight through. :-) I no longer need to use my work 
address to send emails to this list - yay. :-) Apologies again for the spam!

Thanks,
Mike

On 8 May 2014, at 21:12, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

 This is a test message to see if my email from this address gets through to 
 the list or not. If it does, then yay my problem with posting to this list is 
 fixed, and please accept my apologies for the spam. If it doesn't, then how 
 did you get hold of this message?!
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A charter for our volunteer committees?

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

It's good to see the role of the WMUK committees being focused on - thank you 
Michael for starting this.

However, I think it's a real shame that the committees are becoming much more 
advisory than they were supposed to be when they were originally envisaged and 
created just a few years ago. The charter here basically gives the committee no 
powers whatsoever. Compare it with the proposal I posted in 2012 at:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/General_Committee_Charter
which was aimed at giving the committees some amount of delegated power to 
decide what would or wouldn't happen. Instead, now we're seeing committees that 
may or may not be able to give input to staff members (depending on whether 
staff members decide if they want to consult the committees or not). The power 
balance is very much on the side of the staff, who hold individual viewpoints 
(which are generally very good and worth listening to - but they are individual 
viewpoints) rather than viewpoints balanced across a spectrum of views (which 
is what a committee can provide). It's also worth remembering that the staff 
were hired to support the community rather than the other way around...

If the priorities could be flipped here, and the committees are given the 
direct ability to give recommendations to the WMUK board or to make some level 
of budget decisions, then I think it's useful to continue to have the 
committees. If not, then I would ask why the committees exist here...

Thanks,
Mike

On 7 May 2014, at 15:20, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have raised some quick comments on the talk page, including a
 question about the title volunteer committees as other recognized
 committees not listed in the document are by definition composed and
 driven by volunteers.
 
 The document gives the impression that only committees without any
 delegated powers are volunteer committees, which seems odd phrasing.
 
 PS please allow for the fact that date on my email may be up to a day
 earlier than the actual posted date.
 
 Fae
 
 On 7 May 2014 15:07, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:
 I have made a proposal for discussion. See the Engine Room:
 
 The following resolution was approved by the Wikimedia UK board in December
 2013:
 
 [We should] redefine the role and purpose of the non-board committees to
 give them greater prominence, and if need be re-constitute and re-vitalise
 them with greater volunteer input to drive forward programmes. At present,
 the roles and memberships of non-board committees are somewhat unclear, and
 that has led to atrophy and lack of focus. Board/committee communication
 needs to be improved, and better board support for the committees’ work is
 needed. We would hope and expect that this will result in considerably
 greater community involvement.
 
 I have put up a draft charter for discussion at Volunteer committees, and
 would like to hear what everyone thinks. Insofar as it's possible for a
 charter to re-vitalise our committees (bearing in mind it's only people not
 policy that can ultimate do that), is this a move in the right sort of
 direction?
 
 Michael
 
 Link:
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Engine_room#A_charter_for_our_volunteer_committees
 
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Our own dear Johnbod

[Michael Peel]

Jon, I think you're a week behind with reading the signpost, and meant to link 
to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/WikiProject_report
...

Thanks,
Mike

On 1 May 2014, at 16:38, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 To the altar—Catholicism
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fw: Fwd: Joseph's interview on Radio 4

[Michael Peel]

I think I might have been the person that switched this list from per-email to 
digest moderator emails - the list was certainly getting quite a bit of spam 
back when I was a list admin, and I doubt the situation has improved since then.

I would support Fæ being taken off moderation here, but it was because of Fæ 
that I had to stop being a list admin. :-/ So I would ask whether his current 
emails support people contributing, or if they put others off contributing... 
(I should probably ask the same about my own emails at the moment, sadly.)

Thanks,
Mike

On 27 Apr 2014, at 21:27, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 David, perhaps (unless the list gets large volumes of spam? In which case it 
 would be impractical) you could set it to email the list admins when an email 
 is received, rather than just once a day when there are pending emails.
 
 Or you and Fae could come to an agreement whereby Fae's could be taken of 
 moderation? 
 
 I'll just note that I had not received Fae's email via wikimediauk-l when I 
 checked my emails this morning, which is why I forwarded it for him, and this 
 is precisely the sort of nonsense that puts people off contributing - we 
 can't even just congratulate Joe on being interviewed by Radio 4 without a 
 row about list moderation. 
  
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 On Sunday, 27 April 2014, 13:09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 27 April 2014 12:02, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The time and date Sat Apr 26 11:17:59 UTC 2014 was when I sent the
  email, not when it was posted to the list. Could you publish the time
  it was published to the list?
 
 
 The mod queue emails the mods every morning at 8am UTC; it's attended
 to some time after that.
 
 
 
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[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Rating Wikimedia content (was Our next strategy plan-Paid editing)

[Michael Peel]

Forwarding per Fæ's request...

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Fæ fae...@gmail.com
 Subject: Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimedia-l] Rating Wikimedia content (was Our 
 next strategy plan-Paid editing)
 Date: 17 April 2014 10:09:14 BST
 To: Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net
 
 Hi Mike, could you repost this for me? Apparently I'm now banned from
 the UK list.
 
 Fae
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 Date: 17 April 2014 10:01
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimedia-l] Rating Wikimedia content
 (was Our next strategy plan-Paid editing)
 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 
 
 It runs on WMFlabs, so by default the code is open, for simplicity I
 have posted the code at
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/code/TARDIS.py. It is
 fairly simply written in Python, but a bit quick and dirty as usual.
 
 Fae
 
 On 17 April 2014 09:54, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:
 That looks a very interesting tool.  Definitely worth adding to the wiki 
 page as related work that we could potentially make use of (if you permit, 
 Fae; the source code is not open is it?)
 
 Michael
 
 Have a play with
 http://tools.wmflabs.org/faebot/cgi-bin/TARDIS.py?file=TARDIS.jpgcategory=TARDIS,
 it would not be hard to adapt into reports.
 
 This gave a way of solving arguments in Commons Deletion Requests by
 comparing a file's size and pixel resolution to others in similar
 categories. There was no easy way of doing this on-wiki. Knowing that
 a file is in the top 25% even by this crude measure, suddenly makes it
 appear more valuable, while a doubtful file in the bottom 10% seems a
 good candidate for deletion if it is a marginal out of scope case.
 
 Setting hard measures for size or resolution is not always
 meaningful. Many small images may have educational use and have no
 higher resolution equivalent, though in my size comparison report
 (off-line) I do have a version that plucks out the smallest images in
 a category and passes them back as a re-paste-able gallery for review.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Armenian wiki video

[Michael Peel]

On 13 Apr 2014, at 19:32, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 On 13/04/14 16:16, Fæ wrote:
 With regard to cooling it, I suppose it is hard to stop my experience
 and long term frustration in being unable to follow through or have a
 frank discussion on essential changes the charity needed and still
 needs from leaking out in my emails.
 
 
 This list has members of the charity and non members. Hence, it cannot
 be used to discuss the registered charity (Wikimedia UK), since that
 could only be done by members only to have any validity.

I'm sorry, but that's rubbish. Of course it can be used by non-members to 
discuss the charity. What sort of validity are you referring to?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedian-in-Residence summit

[Michael Peel]

Hi Jon,

I'm confused - how can it be a 'small internal meeting' that also includes 
people that aren't 'internal' to the WMUK office? And why, if it's an internal 
meeting, did it take place on a weekend necessitating staff to give up their 
Saturday?

Thanks,
Mike

On 7 Apr 2014, at 09:40, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Good morning everybody,
 
 Daria and I are puzzled as to why a small internal meeting gained the status 
 of a 'summit'!It was part of the analysis we are doing particularly with 
 regard to the UK sponsored WiR posts and one of a series of processes. It 
 involved people who had been paid by WMUK or closely involved in that 
 proocess looking at the particular issues that brings up. 
 
 We fully expect Andy and everyone to be involved through the consultation and 
 in particular we are planning a day event (it was provisionally May 24 but we 
 are not sure of the date yet, it is likely to slip into June).  This will be 
 up on the wiki as soon as we know and everyone will be welcome. Andy's 
 experience will be very relevant.
 
 Jon
 
 PS Can I thank Jonathan and Daria and everyone else who gave up their 
 Saturday.
 
 
 
 On 7 April 2014 03:02, Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org wrote:
 What information have you found about this event? I have been unable to 
 verify its existence based on searches of google, WMF wikis and mailing lists 
 to which I am subscribed.
 
 The closest I can come is Daria posting on the 17th March on the WMF Outreach 
 Wiki about WMUK's survey about WIR positions in the UK [1], or her posting on 
 the Water Cooler on Thursday (3 April) about the volunteer opportunity 
 related to analysing the data from this survey [2].
 
 This makes me wonder whether some wires have got crossed somewhere along the 
 line?
 
 Chris
 
 
 [1] 
 https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikipedian_in_Residence#Wikimedia_UK_is_running_a_survey_of_its_WIR_programme
 [2] 
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Water_cooler#Looking_for_a_Research_Volunteer_to_help_us_with_the_Wikimedian_in_Residence_survey_-_interesting_opportunity.21
 
 
 
 On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, Andy Mabbett wrote:
 
 As a four-time[1] Wikipedian-in-Residence (indeed, as WMUK's first
 Wikipedian-in-Residence), I would be interested to know more about the
 Wikipedian-in-Residence summit, which was apparently held by WMUK
 yesterday.
 
 I don't seem to be able to find anything on the wiki, not even an event 
 listing.
 
 
 
 [1] More , if you count short stints under other titles.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedian-in-Residence summit

[Michael Peel]

On 7 Apr 2014, at 15:12, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 7 April 2014 13:11, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Bar liam.
 
 Liam was the first WiiR, but not, I understand, in conjunction with WMUK.

That depends on what you mean by 'conjunction with'. He was certainly 'liaising 
with', and it was an achievement that WMUK had an important role in at the time 
and should at least view as WMUK-supported (WMUK/I introduced Liam to the 
British Museum when he was in the UK, which started the whole ball rolling).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedian-in-Residence summit

[Michael Peel]

On 7 Apr 2014, at 16:21, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com 
wrote:

 On 7 April 2014 16:08, Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
 
 On 7 Apr 2014, at 15:12, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 
  On 7 April 2014 13:11, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Bar liam.
 
  Liam was the first WiiR, but not, I understand, in conjunction with WMUK.
 
 That depends on what you mean by 'conjunction with'. He was certainly 
 'liaising with', and it was an achievement that WMUK had an important role in 
 at the time and should at least view as WMUK-supported (WMUK/I introduced 
 Liam to the British Museum when he was in the UK, which started the whole 
 ball rolling).
  
 If you can reference that, it can go in 
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedian_in_residence
 
 which might be a better place to sort out the early history - conflict of 
 interest permitting, of course.

Referencing is tricky - the best reference for WMUK's involvement would 
probably be pages like:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Backstage_Pass
and I'm not sure WMUK's wiki counts as a reliable source. ;-) Some of the 
history's never been recorded. Either way, I have a COI so couldn't add this - 
the same as I can't edit the Editathon article to talk about the 
conception/first ever editathon under that name back in 2011 at the British 
Library...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Zürich Hackathon scholarships

[Michael Peel]

Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!

Mike

 On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 
 It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences 
 to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it 
 be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular 
 Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by 
 Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than 
 privately does not affect that.
 
 Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the 
 conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their 
 planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce 
 a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from 
 the event. 
 
 
 On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
 
 Where is the list going to be published?
 
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[Wikimediauk-l] Summer student

[Michael Peel]

Hi all,

I'm testing the idea of having a summer student here at my university who would 
contribute to Wikipedia articles on physics/astronomy as a way of learning how 
to write scientific publications (since there's such a good analogy between the 
two). A possible issue is that they would get some sort of subsistence pay from 
the university for the 6 weeks of the project, which may mean that the project 
is a non-starter. I've asked about this on the enwp village pump - if you have 
views on this, then I'd appreciate you sharing them on-wiki at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29#Summer_students

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com

[Michael Peel]

This strikes me as an excuse rather than a reason. Fæ's questions/points here 
don't seem to have been answered. :-(

Thanks,
Mike

On 31 Mar 2014, at 08:10, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Apologies for delay in replying but I have been away.
 
 As previously stated our relationship as a chapter in this isntance is with 
 Kwaku as a volunteer.
 
 We organised an editathon last year with BTWSC/BBM as you know. Not funding 
 was involved.
 
 And for those who may be interested my 'private' email was at the request of 
 Kwaku asking Fae to contact him directly to have any questions answered and 
 including his contact details.
 
 
 
 On 27 March 2014 14:12, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 After a week of silence on basic questions, in response to a different
 volunteer, the UK chapter has confirmed that it is supporting the
 BritishBlackMusic.com event in Ghana with money and official
 merchandising. The precise amount has not been specified.[1] It was
 not clear to me that the event was in Ghana rather than the UK, until
 another volunteer found an Eventbrite page with details. This was
 apparently unknown to the UK Chapter as no mention was made of it when
 promoting the event.[3]
 
 In the light of the fact that Kwaku is making public presentations
 officially supported by Wikimedia UK, I have raised Kwaku's COI issues
 on the English Wikipedia noticeboard so that he can be advised by
 project volunteers as to policy and best practice.[2] Since creating
 his account on the English Wikipedia ten months ago, Kwaku has made a
 total of 10 edits with several others being deleted, apparently due to
 them promoting his organization, some remaining edits promote his
 writing for Billboard.[4]
 
 Kwaku was funded by Wikimedia UK last year with a full scholarship for
 a weekend in Berlin to take part in a Wikimedia Conference, the amount
 of the charity's money this cost has not been made public.
 
 With regard to Jon Davies' email to this thread that BBM are supported
 by Lottery Funding, this appears an exaggeration of the facts. I have
 had a response from the Brent Archives, a named 2006 project partner,
 who confirmed the project happened but were unable to produce a
 report; they took no responsibility for the funds. After an interim
 reply, am waiting on a full response from the Heritage Lottery Fund
 (HLF). A HLF project was funded 8 years ago in 2006 with BTWSC named
 as running the project, intended to produce a guide. There is no
 evidence of any lottery funding for BTWSC since that date, the BBM
 appears to have never been the recipient of lottery funding.
 
 No evidence has been found that BTWSC or BBM are registered
 organizations, consequently it is unlikely that financial accounts
 have ever been published or put on record.
 
 Note, I was privately emailed by Jon Davies a few days ago but no
 additional information was provided at that time.
 
 Link
 1. 
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Water_coolerdiff=54770oldid=54768
 2. http://www.lottery.culture.gov.uk/GrantDetails.aspx?ID=YH-05-01416DBID=HM
 3. 
 http://web.archive.org/web/20140327135842/http://www.eventbrite.com/e/talking-wikipedia-in-ghana-tickets-10971368659?aff=es2
 4. 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboardcurid=8634849diff=601495199oldid=601426585
 
 On 20 March 2014 13:18, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 20 March 2014 11:49, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 20 March 2014 11:31, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  We felt that they were a suitable partner for an editathon.
  ...
 
  I have checked with Companies House. There are no registered companies
  that relate to:
  * British Black Music (run by Kwaku)
  * BtWsc or MusicWrite Plus (run by K Kaywrite)
 
  I have confirmed with the Department for Culture Media  Sport, that
  eight years ago (2006) a lottery grant of £35,000 was paid for the
  Brent Black Music History Project. This project was in partnership
  with Brent Archives. It is not yet clear which legal organization
  received the funds, was responsible for reporting on the project
  outcomes or publishing financial accounts for the monies. As an unpaid
  volunteer for Wikimedia UK with no authority, I have written to Brent
  Archives and the Heritage Lottery Fund for confirmation and any
  available reports.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Interested in a potential hook-up with a sci-fi film festival?

[Michael Peel]

On 19 Mar 2014, at 16:01, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk 
wrote:

 Perhaps something to be taken offlist with those interested, so we don't 
 break any confidences?

Or keep things on-list/on-wiki for transparency?

I'd be potentially interested in helping do something here.

With the August SciFi conference in London - I know one of the organising 
committee for that, and previously put them in touch with Ed/James/Saad to see 
if anything could be done. I'm not sure whether the page on the Wikimania wiki 
is related to that contact, or if it's an independent activity. If it is 
separate, then I'd be happy to provide another introduction here...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Invite - Recognising Value and the Sharing Economy

[Michael Peel]

On 18 Mar 2014, at 13:33, Edward Saperia e...@wikimanialondon.org wrote:

 I'd be very keen to see a dedicated technical community manager as a paid 
 role, who would mostly spend their time going to London tech events and 
 representing the movement.

That would be really bad on multiple levels - two obvious ones being that staff 
should be 'supporting' not 'representing' the movement, and such work really 
shouldn't be London-centric.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Letter to MEPs on copyright

[Michael Peel]

Hi Stevie,

Thanks from me also for sharing this. Some points:

# The images you are using all appear to be copyright violations - not the best 
move! Why not attribute the images, or link to where they're available on 
Commons or elsewhere? For the image not covered by FoP, why not do something 
like the photos in 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Censored_by_lack_of_FOP ?
# I'm never sure about how orphan works should relate to free licenses. I'm 
sure that a number of my CC licensed photos could now be claimed by others to 
be orphan works as people have taken them from Wikipedia and reused them 
without attribution. I'd actually suggest removing this point completely unless 
you can explain how it might work in this sort of case or better nuance the 
text here.
# As can be seen in this article won't work once you print the letter out!
# What does it mean by 'on your group of MEPs'? Aren't you addressing them 
individually with this? Are you meaning UK MEPs?
# If you want the MEPs to read through to the end, then I'd recommend 
condensing it down to two sides (and print it double-sided) so that they only 
have to flip the page over rather than flip through pages. Also, you only need 
the disclaimer on the first page rather than all three.
# I still don't understand why 'start-ups' are mentioned here (as I asked at 
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Talk:Free_Knowledge_Advocacy_Group_EU_statement_of_intent#Query
 but with no reply).
# I agree with Fæ's points below.

Thanks,
Mike

On 14 Mar 2014, at 17:54, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for letting people know that the UK chapter is sending this letter.
 
 It is a shame that so few Wikimedians in the UK have contributed to
 the process, I think it is correct to say that even after counting
 employees and trustees, the number is fewer than could be counted on
 the fingers of one hand.
 
 I am assuming that the UK charity is open to receiving feedback,
 though your email here, nor your equivalent notice on the UK wiki does
 not invite comment. My apologies if my assumption is unfounded, please
 ignore the following points if that is the case.
 
 Three points:
 1.
 I note that the letter appears to state that the Free Knowledge
 Advocacy Group EU is a UK charity, it might be an idea to get the
 prose slightly more specific.
 
 2.
 The lead paragraph states We are the UK based charity that supports
 and promotes Wikipedia and its sister websites such as Wikimedia
 Commons. This is quite different from the WMUK Mission as recently
 approved by the board of trustees which does not mention Wikipedia or
 Commons. I suggest that in an official letter of this type, that the
 charity is described as accurately as possible, even in a plain
 English summary.
 
 3.
 Were I the recipient I would be unclear if in emailing back, I were
 responding to the WMUK charity or the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group
 EU. The Royal we used throughout the letter is more than a little
 confusing as it is signed by the CEO of possibly either (or both) of
 WMUK and the Advocacy Group and correspondence email is a different
 personal address. Is the letter intended to be from the UK charity or
 the group of organizations in the Advocacy Group?
 
 Good luck with the letter. I'm sure that Jon Davies' practical
 experience in the world of politics will prove useful if any MEP would
 benefit from a follow-up, such as a discussion over lunch.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Community consultation on WMUK's Wikimedia in Residence programme

[Michael Peel]

On 6 Mar 2014, at 16:37, Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.uk wrote:

 
 On 6 Mar 2014, at 16:30, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk 
 wrote:
 
 As a chapter we have run the Wikimedian in Residence (WIR) programme since 
 May 2012, when Andrew Gray started his residency at the British Library. 
 
 You've missed out a couple of years of history there - British Museum, Derby, 
 ARKive...

As promised to Richard offlist, I've just gone through the survey and filled it 
in. There were a number of questions that were rather odd in their phrasing or 
allowed answers though. For example:

Question 2: these were all very general questions (e.g. asking about the 
lengths of WiRs and their benefits to the community) that could only be 
answered 'Not at all', 'Moderately' and 'Completely'. I went for 'moderately' 
for all of these as there wasn't really anything to completely disagree or 
agree with here - e.g. length of residencies, it's not clear whether saying 
'Completely' would indicate support of 3-month or 1-year residencies.

Questions 5 and 6: these are nearly impossible to answer as a 'select 3' 
question. Having a ranked answer here would be much more effective.

I was also expecting to see more questions on topics like 'what are the most 
important aspects and outcomes of a successful WiR project?', 'how would you 
like to be involved in future WiR projects?' and 'how can WiR projects better 
engage volunteers?'.

My main suggestion would be: please share drafts of surveys like this on-wiki 
and ask for feedback on them before starting to ask for answers to them! WMUK's 
membership survey is a really good example of how such surveys can be 
collaboratively designed and carried out.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Community consultation on WMUK's Wikimedia in Residence programme

[Michael Peel]

On 6 Mar 2014, at 16:30, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 As a chapter we have run the Wikimedian in Residence (WIR) programme since 
 May 2012, when Andrew Gray started his residency at the British Library. 

You've missed out a couple of years of history there - British Museum, Derby, 
ARKive...

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] File detion and UK Freedom of panaorama

[Michael Peel]

Hi Andy,

That rationale makes sense, unless the image was of something more permanent, 
or of something that's still there with no expectations of being removed? Is 
there an enwp article here?

Thanks,
Mike

On 17 Feb 2014, at 20:42, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 Photographers active in the UK may be interested in this successful
 deletion proposal:
 
  
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Horse_at_Water_-_Marble_Arch.JPG
 
 made on the basis that the sculpture was not permanent, but
 temporary. It was commissioned for Daylesford in Gloucestershire, but
 at first stood in 2009 temporarily in London. There is no freedom of
 panorama in England for temporary sculptures and therefore the license
 is invalid.
 
 I intend to call for undeletion.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK slide scanner

[Michael Peel]

On 15 Feb 2014, at 20:43, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 15 February 2014 20:24, Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
 
 Perhaps it would be worth WMUK thinking about purchasing such equipment, 
 either to be made available in the office (which would then require travel 
 costs, or postal costs and volunteer time in the office to scan posted 
 material in), or to be sent around to interested volunteers?
 Of course, both purchase and maintenance costs should be thought about here, 
 both for the machine itself and for the equipment that’s needed to interface 
 with it, and also insurance costs... Depending on demand and durability, 
 that may or may not make this cost-effective.
 Or maybe there are renting-on-demand options available for equivalent, more 
 recent, equipment that can do the job?
 (It’s not a white elephant so long as the up-front costs turn out to be 
 worthwhile, given that it shouldn't cost much to recycle it if it breaks…)
 
 
 Hmm. Do we have any vague ideas on numbers?
 
 * How often do we get a reasonable chance at a cache of unscanned negatives?
 * How many smaller museums or archives would have unscanned film to
 offer in such a case?
 * How many people with private collections of negatives that they've
 never gotten around to scanning (e.g., me) would suddenly have a huge
 pile of stuff to donate to Commons just given the opportunity?

Really, the important questions here are: who has collections that would 
benefit Wikimedia and need scanning, and who has the time to scan and upload 
them? It shouldn’t really be a question about equipment cost beyond the 
cost-effectiveness of scanning and sharing them.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] No Sanity Clause?

[Michael Peel]

On 10 Feb 2014, at 16:18, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

 As the nomination says, there’s no FOP in France, so pictures of modern 
 buildings in France can’t go on Commons without clear permission… I’m not 
 sure whether that should be an embarrassment for Commons or for the MEPs… ;-)
 
 Thanks,
 Mike
 
 On 10 Feb 2014, at 16:11, brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org wrote:
 
 All join in now, ... Head - Desk. Head - Desk. Head - Desk.
 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Category:European_Parliament,_Strasbourg
 
 
 You have to be glad that MEPs are not that-likely to click through to images 
 with deletion templates, and then onto this embarrassment.
 
 Can someone reason with these Commoners? Please?
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] No Sanity Clause?

[Michael Peel]

On 10 Feb 2014, at 16:27, brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org wrote:

 I have here, still pinned to my jacket, a bright-yellow press accreditation 
 card from the EU Parliament. That, quite clearly, and within the guidelines 
 issued to us, covers permission to film, take photos, etc, etc both inside 
 and outside the European Parliament.

Send a copy of it to OTRS?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Changes to the Wikimedia UK homepage

[Michael Peel]

Thanks Stevie, but I’m afraid that this is a rather evasive response, and your 
reason for not sharing detail isn’t a good one. Talking about things before 
they happen tends to reduce the number of unforeseen circumstances that might 
arise, as those circumstances can be better foreseen and potentially planned 
around when you have different viewpoints available. I assume that there is a 
*very* good reason for why this bit of news is being kept so secretively!

I’ve put my feedback on the main page on-wiki at:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Engine_room#Feedback_on_the_Main_Page

Thanks,
Mike

On 24 Jan 2014, at 22:02, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 One of our volunteers has been working on an interesting project, about which 
 a blog post is being published tomorrow. If all goes as we hope it will be 
 shared widely on social media, leading to a substantial increase in traffic.
 
 I don't want to go into too much detail as experience has shown me that 
 sometimes things don't work the way we hope due to unforeseen circumstances. 
 But I'm very optimistic.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Stevie
 
 
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 On 24 January 2014 21:40, Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
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  Care to explain?
 
 +1. If there's a good reason for the secrecy/lack of transparency, it
 would be nice for members to have a clue as to why it is needed.
 
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