On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:39 PM, John wrote:
> VE is a BAD idea, its full of holes and bugs
Those are two separate concepts. Just because something has bugs does not
make the software itself a bad idea.
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The RFC on third-party components may interest you:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Third-party_components
If we use the Monolog library, which is used in Symfony and others, we can
avoid having to re-implement an entire logging framework.
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I'll continue on the search for more third-party components, but right now
those listed seem like the main candidates (although even some of those
listed would be really difficult to do and might not happen).
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e, much much more functional, and a lot easier to use. However,
this is out-of-scope for the discussion, so if you have an opinion on
whether doing this is a good/bad idea, please start another thread.
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l free to leave it out. Thanks in advance.
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ys best just to go with the flow? ;)
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>
Agreed on this. PHP isn't meant for continuous processing, regardless of if
you use SSE or WebSockets. Also it should be noted that SockJS also has
Tornado and Twisted implementations, if you want to use Python. And, of
course, if your extension needs to be scalable, they also have
WebSockets are only supported in IE 10 and later, so you're still a bit
screwed in terms of backwards compatibility.
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/eventsource/
[2]
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Server-sent_events/Using_server-sent_events
[3] http://caniuse.com/#feat=eventsource
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that we can still implement a maintainer system
without changing the RFC process. There's no requirement that RFC review
and maintainers be the same people. This thread is mainly a discussion
about "Architects" (or the concept thereof), and how we might want to
change the MediaWiki code
ogram, but I'm sure people
would agree it might be a good thing to become a mentor organization and
have students contribute to MediaWiki as part of a college credit program.
Any thoughts?
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age in Chrome
> or Safari and printing to a PDF. Future plans include using bookjs or
> the like to improve the rendering.
>
Aha awesome. Thanks for explaining.
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ndering options.
>
I don't have anything against this, but what's the reasoning? You now have
to parse the wikitext into HTML5 and then parse the HTML5 into PDF. I'm
guessing you've found some library that automatically "prints" HTML5, which
would make sense since b
understand the reason cache manifests exist: for
explicitly offline applications. If your application is not an offline
application, then you should not be using cache manifests in the first
place, because that's not what it's meant for.
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MediaWiki: Manually fixing broken browser functionality since 2012.
Also I do wonder how useful this actually is. Does site JavaScript really
change that often? I suppose we'll find out after testing.
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On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:
> If all this makes you want to just punch patents in the nose and run away,
> that's understandable...
>
:/ it does. It really does.
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ill serve existing H.264 videos. So
if somebody uploads an MP4 to Commons, that video can be served without
having to transcode it into another less efficient format.
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Yay! I've been waiting for this day and almost forgot about it.
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On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
> Hear, hear!
>
> There's a cake in the office, hopefully someo
Not sure what embedded systems WMF might have, but if somebody has the
time they may want to double-check. You never know...
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to be made
vulnerable. The process can be performed by anybody and only takes a day or
two of processing along with an hour of computation (about $5 on EC2).
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On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Tyler Romeo
About time another issue with TLS popped up. Thought I'd share it here:
http://bit-player.org/2013/the-keys-to-the-keydom
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Agreed with Brion here. The User class has a large mixture of functionality
and is hardcoded all over the place. There are very few use cases I can
think of where it would work, and even then there's no guarantee the
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ck and dirty move to hide changes from people who
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God I hate Ruby, but the JS reports look interesting, albeit it's kind of
just JSHint in a nicer GUI with some cyclomatic complexity checks.
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Željko Filipin wrote:
issions, etc.". I think there comes a point when you have
to acknowledge that some properties of Title objects are indeed part of the
value object.
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itself" pattern. However, a value object needs to be easily serializable.
So what representation is used for serializing a TitleValue? It can't be
the display title or DB key since that's part of the TitleFormatter class.
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ope of what RL does. RL
is made only for internal JavaScript modules that can be maintained and
managed within the application.
You will probably just have to use OutputPage::addScriptFile( "
http://www.google.com/jsapi"; ) to do it.
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This should probably be filed as a bug if it isn't already.
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On Oct 10, 2013 12:17 PM, "Brad Jorsch (Anomie)"
wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Aran wrote:
> > I see, so is there any way to update user preferences such as real name
> > a
st wiki is pretty much
useless.
A smallish wiki with 10ks of pages and the full history and the table data
> (not just revision/page/*links stuff from dumps) would probably be useful.
> I'm not sure where the threshold roughly starts though.
>
OK, maybe I'll try this then. Thanks for
through
which I can test queries? Thanks in advance.
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inction between return values and error values,
which is something not always guaranteed by the "return null/false"
strategy.
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rows an ErrorPageError, which just
bypasses all logic and shows a nice error page. Usually errors that are
fatal to the request, i.e., once they occur the request can no longer
continue, work well with exceptions.
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> " bar' into '`foo \" bar`', but 'foo ` bar' comes out wrong as '`foo `
> bar`'.
>
Good point. Didn't seem to find anything on this in Bugzilla so I filed it:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55427
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On Oct 7, 2013 11:55 AM, "Jeroen De Dauw" wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> When constructing an SQL string, how should the following things be
> escaped, if at all?
>
> * Field names
> * Index names
>
> It looks like when doing a select using the Database MW thing, the field
> names provided do not get escaped
zed, but the problem is that Antoine suggested
earlier in this thread that file caching be removed completely.
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gt; a reason that almost every MediaWiki install in existence is completely out
> of date.
>
Do you have some specific examples?
Also, if that's the case then removing file caching would be a step
backwards.
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g daemon.
Also, like Mark mentioned, I'd like to see some statistics on how many
people use shared hosting for MediaWiki before dropping support for them
out of principle.
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On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1
?
>
This is probably what you're looking for:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Developing_with_ResourceLoader#Client-side_.28dynamically.29
There's a JavaScript function mw.loader.using() that loads modules before
calling the passed closure.
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e discussion on it and maybe I can
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:/ damn for some reason I thought this was on Thursday.
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On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
> Reminder to all: this is about to start.
>
> -- brion
>
>
> On Sun, Se
Well sometimes a bot bump is appropriate. Sometimes I do +1 on a change
with the intention of doing a further review later, but then I forget.
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On Sep 24, 2013 4:57 PM, "Antoine Musso" wrote:
> Le 24/09/13 22:18, C. Scott Ananian a écrit :
> > Can we get the b
In case live in another timezone:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130924T22
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On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
> I would like to have an open IRC meet
gt;
To be fair, both of those links redirect to the proper URL anyway. It
wouldn't be hard to just change that from 404 to a redirect. Nonetheless
the canonical URI should still be /wiki/Article_title.
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nk it's even necessary in
the first place to get rid of the /wiki/. It doesn't look messy at all.
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be a sub-resource of the wiki itself. Even doing some
sort of underscore design wouldn't make sense, because you're implying that
the _images/ resource is the same level sub-resource as a normal article.
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an article named
"w/api.php".
> * use simple action urls
> https://en.wikipedia.org/Foo?action=history instead of
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foo&action=history
>
This already works.
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count, there are definitely methods
we could employ to avoid letting users give their password directly to an
application.
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lot in an hour,
but nonetheless better than persistent access). But keep in mind the user
decided to trust the application in the first place. The former case is
mitigated by TLS, since there really is no other way of protecting nonce
secrets other than just encrypting them.
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On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Petr Bena wrote:
> Ok, so should we ask users for password then? Is that the only
> alternative in the moment?
>
Pretty much, unless Chris has a better recommended solution.
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were also discussed. I
forget if they got anywhere.
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Note that Max's analysis is primarily centered around mobile and
MobileFrontend.
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On Sep 11, 2013 6:15 AM, "Paul Selitskas" wrote:
> Hi Luke,
>
> Max Semenik has already evaluated mod_pagespeed. You can see the report
> here: https://www.med
All of the config variables go into the global mw.config object. You should
be able to use mw.config.get to retrieve them.
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On Sep 6, 2013 1:03 PM, "Yury Katkov" wrote:
> Hey guys!
>
> This hook appears to be the proper way to pass my extension setting
> v
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 10:13 PM, John wrote:
> Could the geoip check also disable the preference check mark?
No because the geoip check is performed at the time of each request,
meaning it's not stored in the database or anything.
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On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Chris Steipp wrote:
> Problem is (I think) we defaulted it on, so most users in China have the
> preference turned on, it just doesn't effect the login process since it's
> overriden by the geoip lookup.
>
Mhm makes sense.
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have their HTTPS option turned on anyway.
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My guess is either the script does not handle redirects, and is failing
when the login page tries to redirect you to HTTPS, or your script doesn't
handle HTTPS, and fails when redirected to the secure page.
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After many months of struggle, WMF takes one big step towards a more secure
Wikipedia. Good job everybody!
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Greg Grossmeier
n (via the Status class) except
in PHP.
Right now MediaWiki is a big mix of the three patterns: sometimes functions
return false on error, sometimes they throw exceptions, and sometimes they
return a Status object with error info.
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e bit of my fault. Once the merger between
Extension:OATHAuth and Extension:TwoFactorAuthentication is complete, that
feature will exist. See bug 53195.
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On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Brian Wolff wrote:
> I'd be surprised if there was a problem with any open
> source license.
>
Well if it's a MediaWiki extension, it has to be GPL-compatible, otherwise
using it as part of MediaWiki violates the core's own GPL lice
Just for the record, the associated change with this inquiry is
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55287
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On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Krinkle wrote:
>
All functionality seems to finally be working! This includes interaction
with CentralAuth. Can't wait for this to be deployed Wednesday.
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On Sat, Aug 24,
uld something like Extension:OATHAuth fit this purpose?
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de to *always* put logins over HTTPS, no matter what,
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ution that was just
implemented.
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security, which
they wouldn't exactly take kindly towards...
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opportunities to people in China.
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es?
>
>
You mean like my $wgSecureGroups approach? Because if people actually still
want that I can attempt to revive that part of my patch. I think it'd be of
especial interest to require HTTPS for checkusers and oversight people, due
to the legal problems associated with breaches to thos
t; retrieved from page history.
>
That's pretty much accurate, at least until there becomes a way to
add/change revision tags through the API.
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I cannot speak for MediaWiki's implementation of OAuth, but the OAuth spec
does provide different authentication methods so that desktop applications
can be used. It's just a matter of whether MW has it.
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nto degrading the security of its entire userbase, and
I don't think that's acceptable. There are 100 times as many active users
on enwiki than there are zhwiki, and that's assuming *all* active users on
zhwiki also edit enwiki, which is probably not true.
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On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Chad wrote:
> Did you read the patch? If $wgSecureLogin is true, prefershttps is
> also true. This is core.
>
Oh, I didn't see that Demon had added that in. My bad.
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so I think we should all be clear.
>
Oh I was not aware of this. I just knew that in MW core itself the default
is off. Didn't realize WMF changed it.
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will have to log in through a project that does not have secure login
enabled. And once they do log in, they should be fine thereafter.
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ned off
(since the default is off anyway).
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HTTPS. In other words,
the user preference has no effect on your ability to use the site.
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isable login over HTTPS. Once this is
deployed, *all* logins (as in absolutely all of them on whatever projects
it is enabled on) will be over HTTPS.
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Quick question: will the patch that was just merged regarding removing the
"Stay on HTTPS" checkbox be deployed by then? Or will that be a separate
deployment?
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SS minification,
and now we'd be using it for LESS compulation as well). Once this patch is
merged, we'd be caching two-three copies of every static file in MediaWiki
in a completely in-memory network cache. Why are we not just putting them
in a file cache?
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in which element ids are
generated is deterministic so that they match up on the page and in the CSS
file.
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Also inline JavaScript, which MediaWiki has a lot of for the ResourceLoader.
On Aug 17, 2013 5:10 PM, "Chris Steipp" wrote:
> Inline css (
>
> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM, David Gerard wrote:
>
> > On 17 August 2013 22:08, Chris Steipp wrote:
> >
> > > A strong CSP is #3 on my most-wanted l
d here who knows how many people are using that service daily.
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efully. Apple devices and browsers
> are still vulnerable.
Aha, I indeed missed that part. Sorry about my misunderstanding.
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penssl
and gnutls implementations).
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665814
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4 (which would
have consequences), I'm saying why haven't other normal ciphers been
enabled? I don't foresee us doing anything like "all HTTPS for everybody"
anytime in the near future.
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be told why so we know why these changes haven't been applied yet.
Can somebody from ops comment on this? Or do I have to sign up for yet
another mailing list to find this out?
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Disregard the first point on that email. I misread the header.
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Tyler Romeo wrote:
> I'm a little confused:
>
>
I'm a little confused:
- Right now it appears our SPF records just say to allow everything
(unless I should be checking something other than lists.wikimedia.org).
- Why was the bug marked as WONTFIX if it was actually FIXED?
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addition to
CA verification). That is another thing we can consider.
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Unfortunately I won't be awake at 3am, but if at least a small portion of
time could be spent discussing the AuthStack RFC I would be very, very
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Huib Laurens wrote:
> Suggestion 3: Restore the file on en.wiki if it gets deleted on Commons...
> No coding needed at all.
>
This right here. It should be trivial to just have an admin restore the
deleted file.
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though it might be
interesting.
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I think we can agree that VE has some performance considerations, but if
you take a look at the bug report, it's explained why it would be so
incredibly difficult to implement section editing.
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*Tyler Romeo*
Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
Major in Computer Sc
gram,
but generally are logically unexpected. You use assertions for things that
will only break during development. It's not like the designers of C and
Java just blindly put in a way to disable assertions but not exceptions.
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Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
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Also, on a side note, Facebook *just* made HTTPS the default:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-engineering/secure-browsing-by-default/10151590414803920
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*Tyler Romeo*
Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
Major in Computer Science
www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
> The php.ini option assert.bail is 0 by default.
So? It's the same way in Java. You have to turn on assertions. It's kind of
natural to assume that if assertions are off the won't cause fatal errors.
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St
ssage when replying. I was
referring to the discussion about how TLS doesn't entirely solve the
problem and that we should start adding random packets in order to prevent
traffic analysis.
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*Tyler Romeo*
Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
Major in Computer Science
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Sure thing: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52354
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*Tyler Romeo*
Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
Major in Computer Science
www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com
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; HTTP/HTTPS switch in the Preferences page. We have one at the
> registration/log-in page, but I'd like MediaWiki to remember that I want to
> use HTTPS only.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52283
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/47089
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