Well they just announced it...
http://tinyurl.com/dx99wd
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Well, I'll add a couple comments, before the group chimes in
I agree, that in MORE cases, people will chose 23Ghz licensed over 24Ghz.
But that does not negate the 24Ghz model potential.
For 24Ghz, 2ft Dish configurations are going to be MUCH
Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it
was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money
quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable.
Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here...
From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows.
Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small
differences. Both companies have problems either financially or
historically.
I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation
managers in us care about the
:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
The only reason we don't attach
it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a
waveguide adapter (instead of the transition) in the event they want
to connect the ODU to piece of flex waveguide so
I wanted to clear up, a signficant undersight in my previous post.
There are additional options for 100mbps FDX 24Ghz unlicensed link.
Cable-Free wireless, http://www.cablefree.co.uk/ has a 24Ghz unlicensed
product shipping, for sub $9k.
Likely significantly less, but I'll leave detailed price
for a major modification
-Charles
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
On this subject
Charles, others:
Whats
-- and by then, you'll be looking to upgrade your backhauls
anyways
-Charles
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 AM
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For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in
order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a
good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that
don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or
faster. If
-Charles
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:42 AM
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On this subject
Charles, others:
Whats the process
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows.
Both Dragonwave and Trango
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
On this subject
Charles, others:
Whats the process of making a change to an existing license? Let
say I
wish to move to one
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows.
Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small
differences. Both
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
My personal opinion regarding point-to-point links is that it boils down
solely to price technical specifications
When
: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in
order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was
a
good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that
don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual
, February 12, 2009 12:15 PM
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Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Charles, Thanks for the prompt response , I was thinking more on
availability.
Say I'm on a crowded area, what would be the chances of not getting
the license?
Sent from my Motorola Startac
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows.
Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small
differences. Both companies have
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Sure... at the end of the day I guess that is all I care about too. But if
your ODU fails in two years... and the company you purchased it from no
longer exists... your kinda screwed aren't you? Long term support should
always be taken into consideration
Message-
From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:47:09
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Sure... at the end of the day I guess that is all I care about too.
But if
your ODU fails in two years... and the company you
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:33:41PM -0600, Charles Wu wrote:
For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in
order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a
good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that
don't need licensing,
eless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows.
Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small
differences. Both companies hav
On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
And, CTI has published their exact pricing for the Trango. Why is
nobody else putting out the DW price?
I don't know, but our last quote from CTI had the DW coming in less
than Trango.
-Matt
Charles, Thanks for the prompt response , I was thinking more on
availability.
Say I'm on a crowded area, what would be the chances of not getting
the license?
Hard to say...but keep in mind, we were able to get that license for you after
Micronet said no-go
That said, even though you have to
, 2009 3:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
And, CTI has published their exact pricing for the Trango. Why is
nobody else putting out the DW price?
I don't know, but our last quote from CTI had the DW coming
] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
And, CTI has published their exact pricing for the Trango. Why is
nobody else putting out the DW price?
I
I will second this, I would love to hear it!
-Cameron
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Isn't
: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
I will second this, I would love to hear it!
-Cameron
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need
-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:06 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Hello Daniel,
Well, that is disappointing as I was hoping for more substance from you
to
back up your statements regarding close in price
: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Hi,
I have a better idea someone compile a simple side-by-side comparison of
the Dragonwave vs. Trango 18ghz radios. List all the benefits of each radio,
and then also list the current price
Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:43 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
I have to run out into the field to work on a Bridgewave link (people pay
good money
] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
I have to run out into the field to work on a Bridgewave link (people pay
good money for that :-). I'll answer this tonight.
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
We are in Baltimore and now have Sprint WiMax to compete against in the
residential market. Hearing a lot of people say how great it was, I
decided to check it out.
What I
Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Brad,
Go back through the list achieves... I think I have made my stance on
why
for pricing off-list.
John Seaman
Trango Systems, Inc.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:36 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin you
like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.
I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible experience,
cost and support for the Acess
is
interested in the promos let us or CTI know.
John
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
So when you
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Brad,
Go back through the list achieves... I think I have made my stance on
why Dragonwave is better in my opinion than Trango. I've installed nine
Trango Giga links... so my opinion is based on my ow
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear? Tell us about
the tech support department. Is it just
813.426.4230 mobile
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Seaman
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear? Tell us about
the tech support department. Is it just Timo (sp?)? How many
: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and Ray.
We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays
profitable in tough economic times. We'll add support
: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Just to clear up a few points... Daniel's claim of number of Trango's
units shipped is WAY off. He has no way of knowing what we have
shipped. Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge
specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
The only reason we don't attach
it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a
waveguide adapter (instead
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
That was exactly my point, Patrick.
With the PMP products they flip flopped. They started making PTP
products -
what's to say they won't do the same thing to those who have these
deployed? Fool me one shame on you, fool me twice...
Also, how
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and
Ray.
We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays
profitable in tough economic times. We'll add support resources as
needed and as the installed base grows.
John
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Trango has a way of destroying their reputation even when their product
is not at fault. We've had them offer us volume discounts only later to
see the same price
investments..
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:02 PM, John Seaman wrote:
Matt, there is no DFS detector in the Atlas5010. It was not a firmware
issue, but rather a hardware limitation. That is why we released the
5055, aka the TrangoLINK-45 which is essentially the same product as
the
Atlas but has DFS support
be a really good
start.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: John Seaman j...@trangosys.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Thanks Tom
Broadband
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From: John Seaman j...@trangosys.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Thanks Tom, we're not convinced about 24 GHz... the power limits are
very low. We
PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Thanks Tom, we're not convinced about 24 GHz... the power limits are
very low. We are looking at it but we're trying to size up the 24 GHz
market before we make the commitment to pursue this frequency. I do
know that in Canada there is good
-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:07 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Hmmm...sure sounds like you have an inordinate amount of service work on
your linksgrin
I'm
: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Brad,
Go back through the list achieves... I think I have made my stance on
why Dragonwave is better in my opinion than Trango. I've installed nine
Trango Giga links... so my opinion is based on my own personal
experience... not just the Dragonwave marketing material. I
: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Well, I'll add a couple comments, before the group chimes in
I agree, that in MORE cases, people will chose 23Ghz licensed over 24Ghz.
But that does not negate the 24Ghz model potential.
For 24Ghz, 2ft Dish configurations are going to be MUCH more effective
I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!
Thanks,
_
/-\
: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all
if you like.
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
I
, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Well...
I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be surprised
how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance is
much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Hello Daniel,
Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave performance is much better?
Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
Dragonwave stacks up against competing products. Namely Trango in this
case
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Hello Daniel,
Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much better"?
Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us expl
] On
Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
All,
When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium
for a Dragonwave product.
There are plenty of threads on this topic. I would be happy to grab
comments as all show and no go...
Best,
Brad
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
I'm going to go with Jeff
February 10, 2009 8:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
All,
When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium
for a Dragonwave product.
There are plenty of threads on this topic. I would be happy to grab a
bunch for you so hit me off off-list
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