Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-22 Thread Blair Davis
I'm gonna respectfully say that, from the inside, being told 'That not one of our clients, don't worry about how long the repair lasts.' and 'Why should we bother to put a DSLAM out there? It's only gonna get used up by them anyway.' and 'That pair of T1's is more than enough to feed that

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-22 Thread Fred Goldstein
On 11/22/2014 5:02 AM, Blair Davis wrote: I'm gonna respectfully say that, from the inside, being told 'That not one of our clients, don't worry about how long the repair lasts.' and 'Why should we bother to put a DSLAM out there? It's only gonna get used up by them anyway.' and 'That pair

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-21 Thread Drew Lentz
So here's what sparked the question. I was trying to get some point-counterpoint going on with a friend of mine and found some pretty good arguments on each. This article made me think about it all a little differently: ___ Wireless mailing list

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-21 Thread Drew Lentz
So here's what sparked the question. I was trying to get some point-counterpoint going on with a friend of mine and found some pretty good arguments on each. This article made me think about it all a little differently:

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-21 Thread Fred Goldstein
On 11/21/2014 5:47 PM, Drew Lentz wrote: So here's what sparked the question. I was trying to get some point-counterpoint going on with a friend of mine and found some pretty good arguments on each. This article made me think about it all a little differently:

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-21 Thread Blair Davis
Just and reasonable... Give me a break. There is a reason the carriers let the POTS network decay... My wife, before she died, spent 28 years with Michigan Bell... From before Judge Greene, thru Ameritec and then SBC. She saw this from the inside. Because they were forced to allow others

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-21 Thread Fred Goldstein
On 11/21/2014 7:39 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Just and reasonable... Give me a break. There is a reason the carriers let the POTS network decay... My wife, before she died, spent 28 years with Michigan Bell... From before Judge Greene, thru Ameritec and then SBC. She saw this from the inside.

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-20 Thread Caleb Knauer
- Original Message - From: Eric Tykwinski eric-l...@truenet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? Fred, It’s a little late, but damn, that was a good description

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-20 Thread Caleb Knauer
This is very informative, thanks Fred. I guess the part that I'm still confused about is the whole content neutrality/fastlane conversation, the only part general consumers care about as the political base pushing for these changes has made it into the single marketing pitch. I mean sure, at

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-20 Thread Fred Goldstein
: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? Fred, It’s a little late, but damn, that was a good description of the problem. I’m hoping and just hoping, that Wheeler understands exactly what the problem really is. Everyone thinks Title II is a hammer both on the ILEC and the public

[WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Drew Lentz
I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9 I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support and those that don't support the Title II argument. I've been trying to get a good feel for who would and wouldn't like

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Mike Hammett
, 2014 7:49:20 AM Subject: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9 I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support and those that don't support the Title II

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Sam Tetherow
/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:49:20 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Quick Question: Title

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Tim Way
@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:49:20 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9 I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Reed
Lentz d...@drewlentz.com mailto:d...@drewlentz.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:49:20 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? I put up a quick poll, results will be shared

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Fred Goldstein
On 11/19/2014 8:49 AM, Drew Lentz wrote: I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9 I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support and those that don't support the Title II argument. I've been trying to

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Sam Tetherow
, November 19, 2014 7:49:20 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9 I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support and those

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Sean Heskett
-- *From: *Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com d...@drewlentz.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:49:20 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? I put up a quick poll, results

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Robert Andrews
*From: *Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com mailto:d...@drewlentz.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:49:20 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Quick Question: Title II

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Sean Heskett
also title II regulations are why an OC3 at 150Mbps costs 100 times as much as 150Mbps metro ethernet. Ethernet is unregulated, OC3 is part of the whole terrified crap left over from MaBell etc. So even though both services are delivered over the same medium (fiber) because of the technology

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Kevin Sullivan
Wow, that was well thought out. I'd say that's a pretty good assessment! Kevin - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein f...@interisle.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? On 11/19/2014 8

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? On 11/19/2014 8:49 AM, Drew Lentz wrote: I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9 I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Fred Goldstein
On 11/19/2014 4:22 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: also title II regulations are why an OC3 at 150Mbps costs 100 times as much as 150Mbps metro ethernet. Ethernet is unregulated, OC3 is part of the whole terrified crap left over from MaBell etc. So even though both services are delivered over the

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Rubens Kuhl
The real problem is that consumers have only the CableCo and TelCo as options for purchasing internet. The government instead of regulating should encourage competition in the free market. WISPs are one such competitor. WISPs are prevented by laws of Electromagnetism and Communications to

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Jeff Broadwick
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? The real problem is that consumers have only the CableCo and TelCo as options for purchasing

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Mike Hammett
, November 19, 2014 8:55:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? Title ll has a ton of regulations…some which could reasonably apply, but most that have no bearing whatsoever or would be incredibly damaging to our industry. The question…and the problem, is that we don’t

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? On 11/19/2014 8:49 AM, Drew Lentz wrote: I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9 I'm curious to see what

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Brett Woollum
, for or against? Wow, that was well thought out. I'd say that's a pretty good assessment! Kevin - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein f...@interisle.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II

Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Robert
...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Eric Tykwinski eric-l...@truenet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? Fred, It’s a little late, but damn, that was a good