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Metricom-Ricochets ultimate success or failure?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
Yes they have
networks
Yes they have.
Metricom-Ricochet. They failed.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:54 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
I take
on
Metricom-Ricochets ultimate success or failure?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
Yes they have.
Metricom-Ricochet
success or failure?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM
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Yes they have.
Metricom-Ricochet
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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:28 AM
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No. It worked. They were great engineers. The technology just worked at
128mbps.
They failed because they didn;t
for their build
out costs.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
Yes
Wow, what a pleasant surprise. Glad to hear from you!
Thinkin of gettin back into WISP stuff... What are you crazy :-)
Are you a glutton for punishment :-)
No seriously, this is still an existing industry, just a lot of new
competitions and stragegies necessary to survive.
On the 900 Mesh...
Yes they have.
Metricom-Ricochet. They failed.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:54 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
I take it that nobody has
: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
Yes they have.
Metricom-Ricochet. They failed.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
Sent: Monday, September 10
Rick Harnish wrote:
Did they fail because of the immature technology or a failed business plan?
Would the more mature technology available today have made an impact on
Metricom-Ricochets ultimate success or failure?
I was a Ricochet user in the Bay Area and was quite happy with the
service
, September 12, 2007 6:46 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
Rick Harnish wrote:
Did they fail because of the immature technology or a failed business
plan?
Would the more mature technology available today have made an impact on
Metricom-Ricochets
Hi Allen,
From the conversations I've had with people trying to use, or just around,
mesh gear, it doesn't usually work very well once the network starts to come
alive. The old hub and spoke method works best.
Some of the new mesh gear uses different channels for broadcast vs.
backhaul.
Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
Hi Allen
At 06:35 PM 9/12/2007, Gino Villarini wrote:
Using dif radios for wifi and backhaul isn't mesh any more? How so?
I was under the impression that mesh was the ability of the equipment
to form a interconnection between the nodes with alternative paths to
the Internet feed
I hate to be a
At 10:44 AM 9/12/2007, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
and like a typical dot-com
they spent and expanded far faster than they should have 'cause hey, there's
a second round coming and when they went looking for that second round,
the large investor played their strategy and said no second round for
At 06:11 PM 9/12/2007, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
From the conversations I've had with people trying to use, or just
around, mesh gear, it doesn't usually work very well once the
network starts to come alive. The old hub and spoke method works best.
But the entire Internet is a
Hi,
The biggest problem I see when looking at mesh is having access to all
those locations... people's homes, light poles, telephone poles,
whatever. You now have to install UPS systems, rebooters, have the
equipment some-what secure, etc.
Just the few repeaters we have at people's homes
At 12:13 AM 9/13/2007, Travis Johnson wrote:
Hi,
The biggest problem I see when looking at mesh is having access to
all those locations... people's homes, light poles, telephone poles,
whatever. You now have to install UPS systems, rebooters, have the
equipment some-what secure, etc.
XXL What are you going to do with it?? Make a tent :-)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:30:01
To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh
mesh networks
XXL What are you going to do with it?? Make a tent :-)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:30:01
To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts
At 08:21 AM 9/11/2007, Jeff Broadwick wrote:
Nah, he uses it to hide the Romulan Ale when he goes to movies and ball
games. :-)
LOL, I haven't had any Romulan Ale in a while. I needed a laugh.
Remember this one? I used to have a life, now I have customers
I might add, Now I have no
Wow, I think the last time I saw this guy was WISPCON-Dallas... the first
one if there was more than one.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday,
OMG!
I guess you dont love me anymore because you dont return my emails
:-(
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:16:57
To:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh
YeahThat was him And yes..it was the first one. Because I was
at the second one ( I think) and he banged in sick for the show (or
something...)
:-)
-B-
Mike Hammett wrote:
Wow, I think the last time I saw this guy was WISPCON-Dallas... the
first one if there was more than one.
Wow! Im witnessing the return of a pioneer!
Welcome back
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
Sent: Monday, September
You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or
900 pcmcia card for customers
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
At 11:29 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
Wow, I think the last time I saw this guy was WISPCON-Dallas... the
first one if there was more than one.
That was me. There is only one me, that's for sure. :)Dallas
WISPCON was my last convention.
Allen
At 11:42 AM 9/10/2007, Bob Moldashel wrote:
YeahThat was him And yes..it was the first one. Because I
was at the second one ( I think) and he banged in sick for the
show (or something...)
Bob I remember missing you in Chicago but not Dallas. If I ever knew
you were in Dallas, I'd
At 11:42 AM 9/10/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OMG!
I guess you dont love me anymore because you dont return my emails
:-(
I do love you Bob and I'm truly sorry about that. Around '04 I used
to spend about 4 to 6 hours a day on email and my new boss put an end
to all that.
At 11:49 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or
900 pcmcia card for customers
Thanks much for the reply Gino. My idea is like muni wireless in
that there really is no CPE per se. With muni wifi, each node is on
top of a light pole
Allen:
Metricom did.
Thanks,
Steve
On 9/10/07, Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I take it that nobody has ever built a 900MHz NLOS mesh network
before. Which is not a good sign to me. That's a sign that my idea
probably won't work.
Allen
--
Steve Stroh
So does this mean that you now agree with me that little wireless cards
can be used for wireless broadband?
George
:)
Allen Marsalis wrote:
At 11:49 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or
900 pcmcia card for customers
At 12:56 PM 9/10/2007, Steve Stroh wrote:
Allen:
Metricom did.
Thanks,
Steve
Thanks for the reply Steve. Can you share if they were able to make
it work or not? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Allen
Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:49:35 -0400
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or
900 pcmcia card for customers
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL
Allen Marsalis wrote:
I take it that nobody has ever built a 900MHz NLOS mesh network before.
Which is not a good sign to me. That's a sign that my idea probably
won't work.
I'd be very skeptical just because of what I lovingly call the Tropos
Effect.
Obviously, all these nodes
At 01:02 PM 9/10/2007, George Rogato wrote:
So does this mean that you now agree with me that little wireless
cards can be used for wireless broadband?
George
:)
Yes George I do. In fact I used pcmcia cards back in '03 and '04 at
ShreveNet for residential pops with good results after we
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From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:05:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
At 12:56 PM 9/10/2007, Steve Stroh wrote:
Allen:
Metricom did.
Thanks,
Steve
Thanks
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NexGenAccess Inc.
www.nexgenaccess.com
740-513-4122
NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com
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From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:49:35 -0400
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts
I'm glad your still around the industry Allen, every one in a while
someone says, Where's Allen M? Makes us wonder.
Myself, I would only look at 900 as a temporary frequency to use. Maybe
a couple years, more in the very rural areas and less urban wise.
Too many others are using 900 or
Allen,
It sounds as if you might be proposing this for a suburban or even
tree filled urban environment. One problem you might run into is
clear spectrum in 900MHz. I've use Trango gear out in rural areas,
where it works OK. I've only done a few scans in the city (East
Lansing and
Allen:
Metricom's long out of business, but technologically, they made it
work (albeit at ~28 Kbps, and later ~128 Kbps). One of the key things
they did to make it work at 902-928 MHz is to use FHSS and small
channel sizes rather than fixed, wide channels as all the current
902-928 MHz BWIA gear
Thank you David for your thoughts on this. I too am a bit
skeptical. :) Which is why I decided to ask for comments from you
guys. There is the additional issue of mesh routing protocols but
I think (and I mean think) I may have that covered if the physical
stuff worked out ok. It's just
Thanks George. Sounds like wise advice to me considering all the
things happening within the industry in recent years. Google is
petitioning the FCC for nationwide prime spectrum? I'm short a few
billion it seems.. Even if my idea is technically doable, then I
must go find the right
At 04:00 PM 9/10/2007, John Valenti wrote:
Allen,
It sounds as if you might be proposing this for a suburban or even
tree filled urban environment. One problem you might run into is
clear spectrum in 900MHz. I've use Trango gear out in rural areas,
where it works OK. I've only done a few scans
At 05:12 PM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
Allen:
Metricom's long out of business, but technologically, they made it
work (albeit at ~28 Kbps, and later ~128 Kbps). One of the key things
they did to make it work at 902-928 MHz is to use FHSS and small
channel sizes rather than fixed, wide channels as
Allen:
While progress in satellite communications can be measured in 5 year
increments - to design, fund, and launch them... technological
progress DOES come, and has. Spot beams are now a standard feature on
all new satellites, and it's beginning to make a big difference. Watch
to see what
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
Thank you David for your thoughts on this. I too am a bit
skeptical. :) Which is why I decided to ask for comments from you
At 06:37 PM 9/10/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:
Allen, great to see you pop up on the list again. You've been missed.
Thanks Patrick. I trust all is going well with you. I hear you are
now vice president. Great job! (I mean that both ways. You do a
great job and have a great job) :) Our
Isn't WildBlue actually leasing a HughesNet/DirecWay satellite? Thus sprach
a HughesNet installer, anyway.
On 9/10/07, Steve Stroh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Allen:
While progress in satellite communications can be measured in 5 year
increments - to design, fund, and launch them...
Not so. Just look up the opening bid for your CMA..
On 9/10/07, Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks George. Sounds like wise advice to me considering all the
things happening within the industry in recent years. Google is
petitioning the FCC for nationwide prime spectrum? I'm
, September 10, 2007 5:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
At 06:37 PM 9/10/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:
Allen, great to see you pop up on the list again. You've been missed.
Thanks Patrick. I trust all is going well with you. I hear you are
now
, September 10, 2007 9:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
LOL. My girls are 6.5 and 4 now. They don't care much what the shirt
says so long as it has something sparkly on it. :) And I have plenty of
old BreezeCOM shirts still.
Patrick
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Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:33 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
LOL. My girls are 6.5 and 4 now. They don't care much what the shirt
says so long as it has something sparkly on it. :) And I have plenty of
old BreezeCOM shirts still
8:35 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
I'll bet they prefer the Motorola Canopy T-shirts!
;-) ... ducking!
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Dylan:
WildBlue is leasing satellite transponders for their current service,
but I don't think they have anything to do with Hughes.
Thanks,
Steve
On 9/10/07, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't WildBlue actually leasing a HughesNet/DirecWay satellite? Thus sprach
a HughesNet
I'm proud to say no Canopy shirts in this house Gino! I can't
afford them. (major ducking) :)
Allen
At 08:35 PM 9/10/2007, Gino Villarini wrote:
I'll bet they prefer the Motorola Canopy T-shirts!
;-) ... ducking!
I was only about a half year off. Not bad for an old man. :) I'm
not sure I remember your youngest though. A belated congratulations
to you! I know you are proud of them both. My son is now a freshman
in high school and has outgrown me already. Homecoming is this
Saturday. Wow how
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Allen Marsalis wrote:
I was a WISP in the late 90s and early 00s. Some of you may know
me. It's good to see many familiar faces still here. In recent
years, I have pursued new interests but I keep thinking back on my
experiences as a WISP. I had a lot of good times
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