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Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
Yes the answer is not. But the question is one of great interest to me, and
I'm interested in learning from others experience on the topic.
ON our network our biggest focus right now is to improve the methods to
shorten time and improve
to set-up a test environment
that isn't too far of real world. Anyone else tested?
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Anyone compared
.
Jeff
Jeff Broadwick
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So that's a no then Tom ;)
Using
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Answer #1: Thats debatable. Do you not recall year 2000. 26 of the
largest 29 telecom companies filed for Bankruptcy.
Name brand ment bankrupt. Even for Cisco! Lets not forget who the
largest investor was in Cogent, now Cisco's owned network.
Back then folks were building
?
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Paul Hendry wrote:
We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for
the core network
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So that's a no then Tom ;)
Using various bandwidth test tools (such as the one builtin to Mikrotik)
from
Charles Wu wrote:
It is worth noting that you lose the benefits of routing protocols when you
bridge your network
The above is the number one reason against using VLANs for layer 2
transport. A second important issue to consider is management. Every
device from end-to-end where you want
but in Mikrotik I believe both switching and routed is done in software.
What have you seen?
P.
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We just
, June 12, 2006 11:12 PM
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We just completed converting our network from routed to bridged. Where each
AP (we run Mikrotik) used to do its own DHCP and PPPoE to customers and
speak OSPF to the network, the APs (still Mikrotik) now bridge
Paul Hendry wrote:
We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for
the core network but the unknown quantity seems to be if there are any
latency or speed issues related to the move. A true switched network is
faster than a routed network as the switching is done at a
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Paul Hendry wrote:
We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for
the core network but the unknown quantity seems to be if there are any
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Paul Hendry wrote:
We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for
the core network but the unknown quantity
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We too have been looking at moving from routed
9:22 PM
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It is worth noting that you lose the benefits of routing protocols when you
bridge your network
Sure, there's always RSTP... (heh)
Many larger wireless / Wifi based architecture these days seem to be
favoring a layer 3 tunneling / handoff method
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Charles Wu wrote:
It is worth noting that you lose the benefits
, 2006 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device
The delay in switching a packet at hardware is less than the delay in
routing a packet at software. This is 1 of the reasons that Cisco created
the GSR and why an MPLS switched network is fast than a plain routed
network.
I'm not too interested
DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:00 PM
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I could be missing
Lets say you are using vlans to not only segment traffic, but priortize
traffic as well. So a double tagged vlan, would give you the ability to
create A vlan for segmentation and a VLAN within that vlan for
priortization, for additional segmentation as well.
I could be wrong though.
-
Jeff
circuits
of Ethernet.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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I think Jon
solutions that can be delivered today.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:06 PM
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@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:02 AM
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AirmatrixOS is not starOS and does offer vlans. Its its own web based OS.
You can order their stuff with starOS, but that's really only specific
custoemrs that order it anymore.
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Jeff
On 6/8/06 10:03 PM
: [WISPA] looking for a device
Lets say you are using vlans to not only segment traffic, but priortize
traffic as well. So a double tagged vlan, would give you the ability to
create A vlan for segmentation and a VLAN within that vlan for
priortization, for additional segmentation as well.
I
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John Scrivner wrote:
Can anyone describe any functional and/or technical differences
between VLANs and say MPLS or Mikrotik's EoIP
Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of
such a thing. How can it be used to help us?
Thanks,
Scriv
Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new
Firmware4 supports double VLAN also.
Alvarion used to have one model that was designed to have a
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Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of
such a thing. How can it be used to help us?
Thanks,
Scriv
Yo may
: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of
such a thing. How can it be used to help us?
Thanks,
Scriv
Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new
Firmware4 supports double VLAN also.
Alvarion used to have one
QinQ?
-Matt
John Scrivner wrote:
Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of
such a thing. How can it be used to help us?
Thanks,
Scriv
Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new
Firmware4 supports double VLAN also.
Alvarion used to have
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Virtual LAN. Imagine segregating segments of your network across a backhaul
pipe so that they flow together but don't actually see each
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Google (or Cisco) is your friend
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps5207/products_feature_
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e09186a00801f0f4a.html
-Charles
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MikroTik supports this, correct?
Best,
Brad
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It is also referred as 802.1q tagging
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Google (or Cisco) is your friend
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps5207/products_feature_
John Scrivner wrote:
Can anyone describe any functional and/or technical differences between
VLANs and say MPLS or Mikrotik's EoIP? It sounds to me like all three
are functional equivalents of each other. Please correct me if this is
an incorrect assumption. I have Googled it so spare me the
John Scrivner wrote:
Can anyone describe any functional and/or technical differences
between VLANs and say MPLS or Mikrotik's EoIP? It sounds to me like
all three are functional equivalents of each other. Please correct me
if this is an incorrect assumption. I have Googled it so spare me the
Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't
messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either a
WRAP or WAR board would work
as well.
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Matt Liotta wrote:
I am looking for a device
uhh, mikrotik w/SR2, SR5, 5 gig antenna for backhaul and 2.4 omni on the
other...
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I am
I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the
box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the next
30 days.
-Matt
Sam Tetherow wrote:
Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't
messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS
If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so
you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and
pigtails installed. All you would need to do is set up the software end
of things, which could be done with a script once you have the initial
setup done.
Airmatrix can do that.
www.defactowireless.com
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:17:30 -0400, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
* Can backhaul at 11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet
I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build the
devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an off-the-shelf
product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it being pre-built,
software installed, and support available.
-Matt
Sam Tetherow wrote:
If
Fyi everyone, wrap boards have been discontinued
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:45:00 -0500, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so
you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and
pigtails installed. All you
I could be missing the product you are suggesting, but the only dual
radio products I can find our base station products. I not looking for a
base station, I am looking for something client facing. Further, I see
no mention of VLAN support.
-Matt
jeffrey thomas wrote:
Airmatrix can do
Lonnie sells his war in a rootenna waiting to go.
Support is offered via the online forums.
George
Matt Liotta wrote:
I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build the
devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an off-the-shelf
product that is supported by
I have to take that back. I'm not so sure they are already assembled and
ready to go.
They might fall under some assembly required
Maybe Lonnie can tell us.
George
George Rogato wrote:
Lonnie sells his war in a rootenna waiting to go.
Support is offered via the online forums.
George
Matt
I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each.
As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low
cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.
-Matt
Sam Tetherow wrote:
What are you willing to pay and what are your support requirements?
Sam Tetherow
@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:55 PM
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Fyi everyone, wrap boards have been discontinued
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:45:00 -0500, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so
you would get
, June 08, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each.
As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low
cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.
-Matt
Sam Tetherow wrote:
What are you willing to pay
: [WISPA] looking for a device
I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each.
As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low
cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.
-Matt
Sam Tetherow wrote:
What are you willing to pay and what are your support
Some assembly required. We do not put the antenna pieces together
since the user would have to take them apart to attach the cat5.
Lonnie
On 6/8/06, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to take that back. I'm not so sure they are already assembled and
ready to go.
They might fall
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I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each.
As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low
cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.
-Matt
Sam Tetherow wrote:
What are you willing to pay
, 2006 1:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each.
As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low
cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.
-Matt
Sam Tetherow wrote
wireless@wispa.org; WISPA General List
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:55 PM
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Fyi everyone, wrap boards have been discontinued
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:45:00 -0500, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
If you order it all from
http://www.cwlab.com
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-Matt
Charles Wu wrote:
Hi Matt,
To throw in a dose of realism
Charles Wu wrote:
The bits and pieces will definitely fit in your budget (in this case, $500),
but keep in mind, integration, development, support etc adds a lot to the
top line
Remember, most manufacturers are selling products at 40-60% gross margin
Well sure, but if a manufacturer can't
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I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build
!
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wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:55 AM
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Fyi
Sounds like Mikrotik to me. We do that all the time.
Take note, to get standard bridge features across an 802.11 client, it
requires WDS. Mikrotik allows for large packets so that VLANs can be
configured over WDS.
The configuration is a bit encumbersome at first, but we got it down to a
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From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't
messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the
box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the next
30 days.
-Matt
Sam Tetherow wrote:
Mikrotik
any higher than Cisco would charge you.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Hi Matt,
To throw in a dose of realism -- even if you roll your own Mikrotik solution
- it will most likely cost you more than the $300-600 / unit budget that you
have (and you get ZERO
Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
There are people that build them for you.
MIkrotik sells pre-made systems.
WISP-Router I thought also did, but not possitive.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet
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