I benefit by allowing customers to access AOL. If they couldn't, I would have 10% less customers, 10% less revenue.
Don't see a problem with what is quoted, but have not read the entire article.
Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and
Scott,
I was not referring to the AOL statement. That was just to clarify the
person making the statement.
The reference to tubes in the second sentence.
Sorry I guess I was a little vague there.
Scott Reed wrote:
I benefit by allowing customers to access AOL. If they couldn't, I
would
All,
I guess I should not quit my day job. The reference was to the tubes
Senator Stevens was so confused about.
ahh..back to work not telling jokes. ;-)
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
NEW-ISP
Dawn DiPietro wrote:
Scott,
I was not referring to the AOL statement. That was just to clarify the
We outsource most of our installs to our employees. The two techs
usually go out together, and split the $100. Its not
unheard of for my techs to make more money on a busy week than I take
in my salary, and I am an owner.
They make $x/hr to do service calls, uninstalls, AP maintenance, etc
You might want to check with your accountant. I doubt the IRS is going to let you contract with people you also employ. You may be liable for FICA, etc. for all the installs they have done.
Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and
Would GPS'd Canopy help? If not, why? Do others in the area use Canopy?
Brian
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Because, over the years I lost 100% of my high ARPU subs that used
5830-ext in these areas. Yes that REALLY hurt the financials of my
business. The reason, is that its a high noise environment
I started out with having my own installers, vans, equipment etc., but
have switched over to outsourcing almost all of our installations.
At this time last year, I had two different outsourced installers going
at the same time. We did 80 installs last September and our cost was a
little bit
We have two outsourced installers. They are paid $100/install. They supply
their own tools, gas, insurance and vehicle. We furnish supplies they need.
They also fill in their time with Dish and DirecTV installs. Some sourced
from our company, some sourced from other shops.
Once you figure
The answer to your question is that there is not a preferred option. In
some cases I don't have an option and just lose the prospect (as
unservable). The industry is in a stagnet state, where manufacturers are
not delivering an ideal product that WISPs need. (At least that I want).
Any
Tom,
You won't customize a Fox unit because it's not FCC compliant, yet you
are running StarOS on WAR boards which is also not FCC compliant. ;)
Travis
Microserv
Tom DeReggi wrote:
The answer to your question is that there is not a preferred option.
In some cases I don't have an option
Butch,
I do not disagree with your statements.
I'm jsut saying readers may misinterperete the post if my statements were
not added.
If the intend is to do FDX, Using OFDM to accomplish it is one easy way to
do it.
The question that I was challenging is in what cases FDX is appropriate.
It
Matt, Pete,
Can you state what kinds of radios these installs involve? are these
PoE radios, what brand, what kind of terrain you're installing in,
rural/metro area? Is grounding being done? What if they install a
non-pen mount? Same price? Where does install end: i.e. do they ahve
to
I don't know if you are right or wrong Tom...only time will tell...but I'm
clapping!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PTP Link Recommendations
As much as I've protested Canopy, (in my mind poor design), the smaller the
gaps are getting.
The problem is that Trango kept degrading their gear more and more like
Canopy. And Canopy kept improving their gear.
Trango still wins, because Trango is less expensive.
Canopy still has some of the
Got it.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tubeshmmm...
All,
I guess I
For the golden answer. GPS only helps you design your own network, and I
already take care to use best practices for my own network, when its comming
from myself.
Its all the other people that you have to worry about. Do you think Public
safety or department of transportation is using GPS
My goal is to gain the High Arpu business.
Tom, that is exactly where Alvarion excels and why it is my opinion that
the more premium an operator becomes in the total quality of their
service, the more likely an operator is to choose Alvarion. And these
customers have different service level
I believe we have one of the highest APRUs in the business and we use
Canopy (including Orthogon). We do like the Trango Atlas, but only for
limited deployment.
I don't really think the price of the radio correlates to the revenue of
the service.
-Matt
Tom DeReggi wrote:
As much as I've
Charles Wu wrote:
snip
What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to
effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every time I hiot noise, I
move away from the channel, eventually others take
Since canopy is the most robust(3db C/I, ARQ, etc.) PTMP product in it's
class(and happens to be #1 deployed in US), anyone not using canopy will likely
find themselves conforming to the canopy operators' spectrum usage. As for
coordination among the canopy operators, that's an easy problem to
This maybe so, but there will ALWAYS be another product available and
deployed alongside Canopy that does not sync. It is also safe to assume
that not every Canopy operator will opt to sync knowingly or unknowingly.
Best,
Brad
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Jon, Canopy is not fast enough for many now and voip performance is lacking.
Depending on the circumstance you may be right for many but the times are
changing very quickly. There are more and more projects hitting the streets
where you don't even make the cut if you can't pass the higher data
I am not suggesting that Canopy shouldn't be better, but it is certainly
better than good enough. Again, not only are we leading the industry in
ARPU, we also doing hundreds of thousands of VoIP minutes every month.
-Matt
Brad Larson wrote:
Jon, Canopy is not fast enough for many now and
You pay more per customer than an Alvarion user Matt since all your
customers are on dedicated PtP shots though, right?
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, Tom DeReggi wrote:
I'm jsut saying readers may misinterperete the post if my
statements were not added.
The parts that you added, though, were specifically related to the
radio portion of the network (and you were correct there), but it
has nothing to do with what we
Hi Mario,
To answer your questions:
1) Tranzeo radios, all POE, all models
2) Terrain is mostly flat, some rolling hills, mostly rural
3) Grounding is required in the contract
4) We provide the mounting hardware. Normally, we send satellite arms
with the installer, but if it takes more we
Patrick Leary wrote:
You pay more per customer than an Alvarion user Matt since all your
customers are on dedicated PtP shots though, right?
Last time I looked at Alvarion's pricing that wasn't the case. We do use
a lot PtP shots, but all of our customers aren't on dedicated PtP shots.
We
For sure we are a premium product, so we will never be near the lowest
and don't ever want to be in that game. We try to offer value. That
said, frankly, I personally am not a fan of how we list our pricing.
MSRP is very misleading since each company may have a different channel
model, or lack of
Nice try, but I've found that comment to be not at all true. I have often
chosen to avoid canopy user's channels, but because I am a good WISP
neighbor, not because I had to. Why fight if you can cooperate. On a SPEC
sheet Canopy does boast the lowest C/I. But Trango's specified C/I was
Thanks Tom. I am hoping my ideas, once implemented, will contribute to
improving that perception Tom.
I'm in my eighth year here. I like to pride myself on knowing many of
you pretty well, understanding your needs and such. But that knowledge
has not always translated into actionable benefits
Yes, but based on net capacity of a given
sector, not gross.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Mario Pommier
Sent: Friday, September 22,
Matt, Don't forget the laws of statistics. You also have been in business
for less than 2 years. We didn't have interference problems our first 4
years either. It wasn't until year 5 and 6, that it started to become tough.
I may have complained a little about trango today, but List please
If the intend is to do FDX, Using OFDM to accomplish it is one easy
way to do it.
OFDM isn't full duplex, unless I'm sorely mistaken.
OOPs typo. MEant OSPF.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Butch Evans [EMAIL
Tom, I have nothing to gain or lose by telling you what we've not only
extensivley tested but also experienced over 6 years. We started using
canopy since it began shipping and at least 100 trango SU between 3
different towers since beta. I just hate to see fellow wisp protest that
there isn't
Hey Brad, VOIP may be the only thing canopy is lagging in. I'm curious
if they'll improve that in the version 8 software release or at least
when they move toward WIMAX compatibility. In the mean time I'm more
concerned with providing reliable pipes...
Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech.
Brad Larson
Hi,
I changed the subject line to reflect more the direction of this
discussion (Trango vs. Canopy vs. Alvarion)... ;)
This is just off the top of my head, and I would love to see more data
on any of these radios:
Trango 5830AP - $1,079 retail
Dual polarity
10Mbps (auto up/down ratio)
Easy
Connectorized Canopy SM are coming q4
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:31 PM
To:
I have a very interesting new (this month) pdf about this topic that
compares Canopy Advantage and BreezeACCESS VL in a variety of ways, from
a coverage modeling example using high end propagation software to VoIP
stats using company documents from both companies.
We think it makes a clear case
Let me comment on this
#Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974)
is this MRSP ? you can buy this the AP for $800 +/- , Advantage for $1500
#C/I advantage
#Fixed up/down ratio
Add GPS Sync, Feature rich firmware, NMS Software, Strong support, Good
promos, Only Manufacturer to offer price
Your numbers are a bit off on the canopy and when i looked on the trango
site it looks more in the range of $400 per unit at 30 pack pricing for
trango's. I believe your getting that price but at what qualities?
I have a couple hundred in the air and I have Midwest Wireless the 5th
largest
Yes, and, if for some reason they take too long on a job such that the
flat-rate billing is less than Minimum wage, you get into hot water
John
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From: Scott Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 05:46 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject:
I guess I left the door open for comments like feature rich
firmware what does THAT mean? It definately doesn't mean the SM
number stays the same on the AP with each reboot or SM re-association.. ;)
GPS sync is extra $$.
NMS software is extra $$.
The pricing I listed was MSRP (or what I
Does anyone know if the RB153 will handle 3 SR9 cards both physical form
factor and power consumption?
Thanks,
John Buwa
Michiana Wireless
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Trango offers many different CPE (5830, Fox, Fox Atlas, etc.). They have
listed on their website the Fox Atlas CPE for $149 for a 30 pack
pricing. This is a 10Mbps radio and with a $30 dish will reach up to 10
miles.
I currently have a 22 mile 900mhz link with Trango (using an omni on the
My problem with VL is that it doesn't offer a scheduled mac...no
syncronization capability. Now if this get's incorporated down the line
I would be interested? We've used it all, you name it, and at this point
if it doesn't have GPS sync I'm hesitant to even touch it. That is one
advantage
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