Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-24 Thread Peter R.
Michael Erskine wrote: The ILECs have been building the POTS network since 1900. They are not incompetent and they understand how to buy power. Actually, maybe not incompetent but entirely without vision and with an eye only to quarterly numbers. Your best recipe for retaining customers -

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-24 Thread Peter R.
Smith, Rick wrote: I can tell you for a fact that Embarq and Verizon have 700 Mhz and FTTP on their radar BIG time. It's that whole battle vs. war thing... They're willing to get their heads handed to them 9 times because that 10th is their nuke... OK I've gotta throw away this devil's

RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-24 Thread Smith, Rick
Rumors of Embarq pulling fiber in NW NJ. I'm trying to figure this one out, since it's home for me :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it

RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-24 Thread Drew Lentz
Just to throw another log on, here's the CTIA's approach: WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--CTIA-The Wireless AssociationR President and CEO Steve Largent issued the following statement today in response to a letter from Google to the Federal Communications Commission asking for special conditions in

[WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's take on Broadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Drew Lentz
In an article entitled Broadband Baloney in the Wall Street Journal today, Robert McDowell, a Commissioner on the FCC stated: Criticisms of our definition of broadband being too lax are already irrelevant as over 50 million subscribers are in the 1.5 to 3.0 megabits-per-second fast lane. That my

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's take onBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Scottie Arnett
Thats the problem...most of the senate, congress, heck the whole government and their appointees do not know the difference in a piece of twine with two cans attached and a copper line with telephones attached, much less how the internet works and the physics behind it. They only know how to

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's takeonBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Oh brother. Here we go again. marlon - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's takeonBroadband.. Thats the problem...most

[WISPA] self inflicted interference

2007-07-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, I just completely rebuilt a tower site. It had inconsistent speeds and I'd hit the point that I normally change things around. When I hit 50 people to a tower I'll sectorize it. On this tower I had an omni at about 25' (the hill is 700 feet over the valley) and a 15dB integrated

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-24 Thread John Scrivner
The bad thing about Google's wholesale push is this: We asked for bidding credits and CMA sized blocks in the upper and lower 700 MHz bands in the upcoming auction. If Google gets their way then the upper blocks will NOT be CMA sized and will have wholesale requirements attached. I can see

Re: [WISPA] self inflicted interference

2007-07-24 Thread Blair Davis
Look into some high Q cavity filters. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I just completely rebuilt a tower site. It had inconsistent speeds and I'd hit the point that I normally change things around. When I hit 50 people to a tower I'll sectorize it. On this tower I had an omni at about

[WISPA] PowerStation 2

2007-07-24 Thread Zack Kneisley
Has anyone worked with these Powerstations? doesn't look like anything strange or unfamiliar, except that it has every feature I can ever remember wanting. www.ubnt.com Any comments good or bad? Zack Would you like

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-24 Thread W.D.McKinney
- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:38:41 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion The bad thing about Google's wholesale push is this: We

Re: [WISPA] PowerStation 2

2007-07-24 Thread Blair Davis
make sure the firmware is up to date Zack Kneisley wrote: Has anyone worked with these Powerstations? doesn't look like anything strange or unfamiliar, except that it has every feature I can ever remember wanting. www.ubnt.com Any comments good or bad? Zack

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm not sure who isn't listening to whom, but I've said more than once that Google is only bidding if the FCC sets up the auction requiring wholesale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's takeonBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
oh, and hardly any of the auctioned spectrum has or will in the short term be used for broadband. It's used for cellular and other services. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Wholesale to yourself. :-p While not a great victory for us, any loss for the telcos is a victory for us. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

[WISPA] Vista remote controll

2007-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
I've used various VNC programs over the years on 2000 and XP. Vista seems a little different. What do you guys do to control those machines? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-24 Thread David E. Smith
W.D.McKinney wrote: If Google wins, the spectrum will be tied up for a long time with little on no use right away. I suspect most of Google's business plan here is get spectrum, lease spectrum, earn lots of money with little actual work, and in that case it's in their best interest to get

Re: [WISPA] Vista remote controll

2007-07-24 Thread David E. Smith
Mike Hammett wrote: I've used various VNC programs over the years on 2000 and XP. Vista seems a little different. What do you guys do to control those machines? If it's Vista Business or Vista Ultimate, the built-in Remote Desktop Connection service works just fine. (Not sure about Vista

Re: [WISPA] Vista remote controll

2007-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd imagine so in the Business and Ultimate versions. There are a pair of Home Basic machines and Remote Desktop doesn't function like VNC in that I can't share the desktop with a local user. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message

Re: [WISPA] Vista remote controll

2007-07-24 Thread David E. Smith
Mike Hammett wrote: I'd imagine so in the Business and Ultimate versions. There are a pair of Home Basic machines and Remote Desktop doesn't function like VNC in that I can't share the desktop with a local user. Let me take this opportunity to point out the virtues of Windows Anytime

[WISPA] America's Internet Disconnect

2007-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
America's Internet Disconnect By Michael J. Copps Wednesday, November 8, 2006; A27 America's record in expanding broadband communication is so poor that it should be viewed as an outrage by every consumer and businessperson in the country. Too few of us have broadband connections, and those

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-24 Thread Peter R.
W.D.McKinney wrote: Yes indeed, big cash boys will be the driver in 700MHz side, sure wish it was designated for the WISP folks directly so that we could see some real innovation. If Google wins, the spectrum will be tied up for a long time with little on no use right away. Cheers, -Dee

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's take onBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Peter R.
Mike Hammett wrote: 3 mbit is not fast. The US IS behind other countries, there's no point in whining about it. Yes, there are very substantial reasons why our numbers don't look as good as theirs, but there's no need to skew the system to make us look better... just solve the problem.

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
The leasing mechanism could be interesting. You would have to sell over a long period or with the right of first refusal on lease termination otherwise there would be no serious bidders if you are not guaranteed long term access to the spectrum. What would be really interesting would be if

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's take onBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Clint Ricker
I'll duck after this post, but I by and large tend to agree with the basis of the article. Scottie, exactly what regulation would you recommend? What has regulation solved in the past 11 years? By and large, I've not seen a single bit of FCC regulation that has had a net positive impact for

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney full text (rant)

2007-07-24 Thread Peter R.
Mike Hammett wrote: Broadband Baloney (Opinion) FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell According to several recent surveys, the average percentage of U.S. households taking broadband is about 42%; the EU average is 23%. And wait until 2009, when our economy comes to a screeching halt. And the

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's take onBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
Peter R. wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: 3 mbit is not fast. The US IS behind other countries, there's no point in whining about it. Yes, there are very substantial reasons why our numbers don't look as good as theirs, but there's no need to skew the system to make us look better... just solve

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's takeonBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
I guess I'm the opposite. I have plans that currently range from 256 to 2048. Most customers pick the 2048, with 256 coming in second. There are some on other plans, but they were the fastest at the time. Prices range from $25 for 256 to $55 for 2048. Business accounts are 50% higher $ and

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's take onBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Clint Ricker
Sam, I agree with your observation 100%. Given most of the oversubscription models in place in the industry, it is not even a matter of having cheapskate customers. Internet access (broadly speaking) is NOT very bandwidth intensive. Filesharing, video, etc... is bandwidth intensive. Other

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's takeonBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
I'd be curious to know if your percentages will scale. I know the first 100 or so customers I had were opting for the higher speeds as a rule, but at the 600 mark the trend for me is $30 for 380K in the residential space. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I guess I'm

[WISPA] Martin's 700 proposal

2007-07-24 Thread Peter R.
from his congressional visit: I have recently proposed rules for the 700 MHz auction that I believe will facilitate a national wireless broadband service. A coalition of companies that support a national wireless broadband alternative, Intel, Skype, Yahoo, Google, DIRECTV, and EchoStar, urged

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's take onBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Peter R.
Clint Ricker wrote: I'll duck after this post, but I by and large tend to agree with the basis of the article. Scottie, exactly what regulation would you recommend? STRUCTURAL SEPARATION like BT is experiencing in the UK, which would never happen here. What has regulation solved in the

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's take onBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread David E. Smith
Clint Ricker wrote: People pay 6Mb/s connections for the same reasons they pay for faster cars, even though the speed limit is the same for a Ford Pinto as a Ferrari. Not an entirely apt analogy, but pretty much sums it up. As long as we're going with car analogies, I think a big truck or

RE: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's takeonBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Scottie Arnett
Scottie, exactly what regulation would you recommend? I think the FCC had it going going in the right direction with Computer Inquires I, II, and III. Problem was, they never enforced these! The even took out the office in early 2000 that investigated the companies that broke the rules. I am

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's take onBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Tom DeReggi
Its not approriate to start changing the definition of Broadband. 200mbps symetrical enables a specific set of core Internet based applications. Maybe we need a new word, to define Broadband capable of handling Next Generation Internet Applicationa Super Broadband? :-) I'd also argue that

[WISPA] New America Foundation Paper - Open Access for the 700 MHz Auction

2007-07-24 Thread Jack Unger
http://www.newamerica.net/files/openaccess700mhz.pdf REPORT CONCLUSION FOLLOWS * In conclusion, I reiterate that the open-access policy would likely be doomed to fail and the competitive benefits of the policy would not then be realized if the

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner'stakeonBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
So what BT is doing in the UK? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Broadband

[WISPA] Public Safety

2007-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
What all bands does the public safety industry use? 150 MHz 450 MHz 800 MHz 4.9 GHz 4.9 is exclusively public safety. Nextel was granted some 1.9 GHz so that they would vacate 800 MHz, leaving it to public safety. The others are general commercial bands. Now the FCC wants to give them 700 MHz.

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's takeonBroadband..

2007-07-24 Thread Scottie Arnett
Forced wholesale access of the physical layer / network layer does absolutely nothing to increase availability and, in fact, actually hurts availabilty. You are incorrect there. The plant company would need to keep building out to increase revenue. The Application side would want that as