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- Original Message -
From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing
Right. Madwifi ( http://madwifi.org/ )
We have not ran into that yet. But thanks for letting us know.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:34 PM
Subject:
Right. Madwifi ( http://madwifi.org/ ) is pretty good but having
trouble keeping up with new Atheros models.
MadWiFi is a sort of reverse engineering.Atheros knows how the chipsets
work and you can buy the documentation, raw code, the secrets of the HAL,
everything, by
But the control point would be at the tower, not remote. I know some WISPs
operate in remote areas, but this is more for a high density urban
deployment, similar to what you would use AirSpan or Alvarion for.
The reasoning behind the FDD style deployment would be to help compete
against
Doug Ratcliffe wrote:
But the control point would be at the tower, not remote. I know some WISPs
operate in remote areas, but this is more for a high density urban
deployment, similar to what you would use AirSpan or Alvarion for.
Right. Makes sense. I re read the original post. My
With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw
my hat into the ring.
3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity,
at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed
gear. Performance/coverage is on par, or better than 2.4 that most
of are used to. Pay
Mike you have peaked my interest with the 900Mhz against the 3.65. Were any of
these tests done with hills? My problem is we have hills, and lots of them and
trees too. You can't drive much more than a mile without going up a hill with a
change of 100 - 150 ft in elevation. Anyone tested or
Hi Scottie,
No, all flat ground but Midwest trees. Your scenario would be an
interesting test.
Mike
At 07:59 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote:
Mike you have peaked my interest with the 900Mhz against the 3.65.
Were any of these tests done with hills? My problem is we have
hills, and lots of them and
Right, but my point was that Mikrotik doesn't need to be worrying about
virtualization. They need to put some more work into QA and USEFUL feature
expansion, like into 802.11 and 802.16, not Xen.
--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering
traditional, D, and E products.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent:
Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the
poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for
evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the
performance described.
Regards
Michael Baird
Now this is a 180* of what others have
Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am
the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend
products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now
the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon.
Message-Id: [EMAIL
I believe it.
Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65.
Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a
1-story house.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Many of you have known me for years, some
So, how much does this stuff cost?
Brian
John McDowell wrote:
I believe it.
Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65.
Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a
1-story house.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan
I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72.
Sub $400.
Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that
it is available. Have they come down at all?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So, how much
What about APs?
John McDowell wrote:
I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72.
Sub $400.
Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that
it is available. Have they come down at all?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Mike Hammett wrote:
They just copied someone else's card, though I forget now who.
It's in the FCC docs.
IIRC, the MT cards are relabled Compex cards.
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Jim Patient wrote:
Spell checker must have got Dennis. He meant Virtualization (Zen).
Got Jim, too...he meant Virtualization (Xen). :-)
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Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who
you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a
pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the
wholesale rates.
Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Mike Hammett wrote:
Right, but my point was that Mikrotik doesn't need to be worrying
about virtualization. They need to put some more work into QA and
USEFUL feature expansion, like into 802.11 and 802.16, not Xen.
You don't think XEN can be useful? I have it in testing
I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with
Aperto gear. We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork to
become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list are).
I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too
If you needed virtualization of some type, you could install it as the host
OS, then install your Mikrotik or Asterisk or... on top.
I guess I meant things that we can't already get somewhere else. Mikrotik
themselves has to do a lot of things, but we can do Xen on our own.
--
Mike
Hi,
I would have bet any amount of money that I saw "polling" as an option
in the AirOS stuff... but now that I am looking for it, I can't seem to
find it. :(
Travis
Randy Cosby wrote:
Where is the polling you refer to? Is that in the beta firmware or
something? I haven't noticed it.
Maybe you got confused with the OSwave firmware
Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, July
I can't say whether I'm interested in your ideas yet or not. But unless you
wanted to develop syncronization or some specific function of a centralized
server for the base stations I don't see the point of adding the additional
complexity. Canopy for example has synconization without the need
Visualization?
--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
If I could split off this topic to something very related. What
insurance/workers comp are being held to legally employ climbers? I'm
assuming two climbers minimum are on staff? We are getting to the point
where it would benefit us to have our own climbers but the decision
makers are intimidated
Spell checker must have got Dennis. He meant Virtualization (Zen). So
now you can have your router, Asterisk, billing, mail server, web server
all on one Mikrotik box. Obviously it will take a beefy unit like the
PR 2282 to do this.
Jim//
Mike Hammett wrote:
Visualization?
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So let me get this right... Instead of working on wireless drivers,
improving the existing feature set, stabilizing the whole router, etc.
Mikrotik has been working on making your router virtual server host? Before
I complain directly to Mikrotik, could you point me to something official
Keep them classified as general install technicians that spend less than 10%
of their time on a tower (which is true for most WISPs)
To have true workman's comp / insurance for full-time tower crews -- you're
insurance bills will jump to the tens of thousands of
-Charles
And DON'T have documentation where you show
them as tower climbers.
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From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
I agree... and I actually emailed their support group last night before
this message even came out about the EXACT same thing... they seem
really hung up on adding new features instead of fixing or improving
the real issues.
Travis
Microserv
Mike Hammett wrote:
So let me get this right...
As with everything insurance related, make sure they know about everything
it is that they do, but do your best to minimize exposure to the high cost
policies. You wouldn't want to leave out the fact that they climb towers
twice a month and then have a tower related claim, which gets denied.
Well, not quite.
A tarrifed pots line pays for the wire in the ground and the upkeep.
DSL is gravy.
Or did I miss something?
marlon
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From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: Re:
DSL is mostly gravy. It gets shared through NECA in many cases, but it
doesn't so much to support the local loop.
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From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what
On Jul 20, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Thay just need to add a couple of features to the t45...
Better ethernet configuration options
5 10 40 channels support
gino
DD-WRT has Ubiquity versions now. Didn't have much luck with it as a
client (on a NS5), but haven't tried
No Mike, not just our systems, any x86 system. That is why we don't
think they are ending x86 support any time soon.
The package is in testing now and hasn't been officially released.
Mikrotik continually works to improve the OS. They normally respond
well to bugs and fixes. They take votes
A year or two ago I had this idea that's related to our discussions...
In short, it was to create a open source platform for WISP use. I called
it WISP-OS. All the functions of routing, firewalling, dhcp client and
server, and all the other networking functions are out there and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In short, it was to create a open source platform for WISP use. I called
it WISP-OS. All the functions of routing, firewalling, dhcp client and
server, and all the other networking functions are out there and
consistently being improved in the open source
My thoughts on this I've even mentied on the Mikrotik forum a while ago were
to have a 2 part system:
An outdoor wireless unit (like a Nanostation) that does nothing but act as a
raw wireless interface, that connects to a master station inside the tower
control room that is the intelligence,
Doug Ratcliffe wrote:
My thoughts on this I've even mentied on the Mikrotik forum a while ago were
to have a 2 part system:
An outdoor wireless unit (like a Nanostation) that does nothing but act as a
raw wireless interface, that connects to a master station inside the tower
control room
I've heard most of the backstory on the Trango MM death. In a way I
think we should applaud Z for killing it. It would not do what we
needed for the next generation product it needed to be. He could have
delivered it half-baked, and maybe even broken even on it, but in the
long term, it
Where is the polling you refer to? Is that in the beta firmware or
something? I haven't noticed it.
Randy
Travis Johnson wrote:
The AirOS that comes on the Nanostations also has polling the
issue is having a product that is compatible and has the features that
people are already used
Randy Cosby wrote:
Is polling like token passing?
Say something like http://frottle.sourceforge.net/ ?
Where is the polling you refer to? Is that in the beta firmware or
something? I haven't noticed it.
Randy
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There are some apples / oranges differences between Tranzeo and
Nanostation that Tranzeo really ought to trumpet more. Things like
firmware rollbacks, built-in RAID file systems, etc. And they have had
a lot more time to work out a lot of bugs and irritations. All of mine
just work. Oh,
DD-WRT does run on the NS.
Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
I am surprised an open source project has not sprung up to do this.
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From: Japhy Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA]
Hey all,
Does anyone service Chickasha Oklahoma area? Please hit me off list.
Thanks,
Mike Goicoechea
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The T45 is probably my favorite ptp radio today, but I'm severally limited
without support for 10mhz channels.
I usually run 20Mhz channels, but the safety blanket to be able to drop to
10Mhz to get around interference is priceless, when it is needed. Thats
never known until after the gear is
Tom, on a semi-related note, have affected by the VLAN bug on these
radios? The radio will not respond to any traffic originating outside if
its own subnet if VLAN support is enabled. That means no monitoring by a
NMS if it's not on the same subnet as the radio.
Trango confirmed the bug back
Should have read have you been affected...
Patrick Shoemaker
President, Vector Data Systems LLC
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office: (301) 358-1690 x36
mobile: (410) 991-5791
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Patrick Shoemaker wrote:
Tom, on a semi-related note, have affected by the VLAN bug on these
I fully agree. I'd rather a product line be cancelled than one released that
would cause the buyers to loose face/money after we bought into the line. Of
course what I would like most, is the product that the MM5 promised. But as
the song goes, You can't always get what you want, but sometimes
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