Uhm...ya...
Try this...
http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM,
I have a couple of the motherboards in use doing other things, they're just
real slow as a full blown PC. The nice part is, they run from 12V DC
nicely and have a single PCI slot and a mini-pci slot.
You can make smaller PC's than that, by quite a bit, just use the VIA PICO
and NANO ITX
If anyone is near these markets looking for dark fiber to another of these
markets, let me know. Locations should be available every 60 miles, possibly
as short as every 1 - 2 miles.
Manhattan, NY
Hudson River Tunnel, NY
Hoboken, NJ
Port Reading Junction, NJ
Harrisburg, PA
Pittsburgh, PA
Hi guys, we are looking to deploy a wifi system on a local water tower
to service and underserved area. This will be our first experience
dealing with a new municipality and we have it slated for a board
agenda. I was wondering if there were standard proposals out there to
use, or if someone
Mike,
Please send one my way.
Thanks,
John Buwa
Michiana Wireless
-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:35 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Dark Fiber
If anyone is near these markets looking for
Hi All,
I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again
If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we
tell the government?
I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last
post fail to make it through? Or should we not
I thought I saw some posts on that?
My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by
Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not
on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls
of the USDA program. I could have funded
WiMax is dead! j/k!
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote:
Ooops. Forgot the link:
http://telephonyonline.com/video/news/hdtv-wifi-0225/
Welcome some more interference
Celeno’s OptimizAIR technology uses 5 GHz spectrum, not the 2.4 GHz
spectrum used
If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will
allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does
not necessarily read every post on all the listservs.
Thanks,
Rick
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
The ARRA specifically states rural wireless, I would think the telcos are
going to have problems with that, or maybe I am wrong.
A local telco announced yesterday that they are going after stimulus monies
and hired a DC law firm to keep track of what is going on.
If telcos try to expand DSL, the
If WISPA was to get input on the grant process, I would like to see
more home town WISP's ans ISP's get first hand at the funding.
Why? simple. Telco's get to have their hands in Gov money 365 days a year.
Its called the high cost fund.
With that the home town WISP's and ISP's, should be
Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list?
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:
If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will
allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does
not necessarily read
Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be
used in mikrotik?
brian
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The Government has a definition for rural My town of 26K people just got
classified as rural a couple of years ago. This was to help with grants and
such
Rural is generally based on population of under 20k - 30k
Scott
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From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com
To:
This guy says he is using them but having problems - didn't read into
anything more then 411 board and xr3
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=29063p=145580hilit=xr3#p145580
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't
On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did
my last
post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into
the
process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of
it then?
It
We all have a substancial amount of capital invested in our own ventures...
If the Government would like to reimburse us on our investments before they
make the Internet a invaluable investment. I wouldn't have much issue with
that. However, from what I see they are just trying to make the
Redline has a 3.65 ptp with their an80.
Mike Goicoechea
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:29 AM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject:
Redline and Ligowave both have gear available.
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:29 AM
To: Conversations over a new
Mike Hammett wrote:
I've started to get setup with it.
If anyone from the group is in the Southern OC, CA area, I'd be willing
to assure them, if they are interested.
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AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 PUBLIC MEETING ON BROADBAND INITIATIVES
The National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the
Department of Agriculture's Rural Development, and the Federal
Communications Commission will hold a joint meeting Tuesday March 10 to
discuss the broadband initiatives
The goal is to learn what the muni's objective is. Their objective is not
always to enable broadband expansion.
Sometimes a small town cares more about generating a new source of revenue.
Your goal is to changed the perspective that they'll want to charge you
$2000/month to co-locate, to one
Some simple rules to move things in your direction...
1. limit the size of loans or grants - nothing over, say, 300K. No multi
million dollar get some guy real rich schemes.
2. Limit the areas allowed to be paid for, in other words, only so many
dollars per square mile.
3. Require local
Done :)
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John McDowell
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list?
On Tue, Mar
Tom,
Thanks this is just the sort of information I was looking for. I was
also looking for maybe some notes or documentation from someone who's
done the presentation dance in front of the municipality.
Regards
Michael Baird
The goal is to learn what the muni's objective is. Their objective
Our state has a rural connectivity program that is part of our state's
utility commission and is preparing for the potential for federal
funding. They were interested in mapping, data, and projects. They asked
ISPs in the state for our suggestions...
Here's what I sent in:
The ISPs around the
Visual aids are worth a thousand words.
A photoshopping of your gear on their tower.
Bring some gear too. This antenna I'm holding is big because it has to
pick up such a weak signal, the federally regulated signals are 5x
weaker than the cell phone you carry on your body See the drawings
Welcome some more interference
Celenos OptimizAIR technology uses 5 GHz spectrum, not the 2.4 GHz spectrum
used by todays WiFi data networks. OptimizAIR uses standard PHY and MAC layers
but adds proprietary algorithms that the company says can double the throughput
of standard 802.11
I am.
Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but
affirmative statement that it works.3.65 seems to have unique
propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than
5 or 2.4.
Or, that's how it seems.
AGENDA FOR MARCH 10 PUBLIC MEETING ON BROADBAND INITIATIVES
The
National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the
Department of Agriculture's Rural Development, and the Federal
Communications Commission will hold a joint meeting Tuesday March 10 to
discuss the broadband initiatives
Marlon,
Also note... Your post was sent to the general list, not the members list.
Technically, WISPA's obligation is to only consider the opinions of its
members when formulating official WISPA opinion.
As well, there is risk in sharing WISPA's strategy with the open public,
which include our
These should be first available this month. They have not started to ship these
yet.
/Eje Gustafsson
CTO
WISP-Router, Inc
Authorized Ubiquity distributor
--Original Message--
From: Andrew Niemantsverdriet
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List
ReplyTo: WISPA General
Victoria,
For instance if a telco comes up with a proposal for an area that we are
considering for wireless, the powers that be should consider the costs.
Great point...
Currently rules state that preference will go to proposals that serve the
highest percentage of persons within the
Yes they can. Ligowave also offers a PtP product.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:29 AM
To: Conversations over a new WISP
Mike,
I have had significant experience in numerous initial phase projects to
encourage working with local government.
For example, in my county access to watertowers was supposed to be free, in
exchange for new tower errection restrictions in the community.
However, I do not have any muni
https://ssd.eff.org/
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WISPs - Do you know where your customers are?
For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping
FCC
Doesn't anyone worry about anyone data mining email addys and such?
Nothing is ever free on the internet!
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn
Hi all...
All of a sudden, a PtP link that has been stable, -79 rssi or so
bi-directional has become very asymmetric.
I now get -79 rssi/-98 noise floor at one end and -88 rssi/-95 noise
floor at the other...
Link is a pair of cm9's, 20db grids, 5.180GHz, range 1km, clear LOS.
3ft lmr-400
We utilize both muni and private locations for wireless sites.
Private is by far the easiest to work with. Everyone shares the same
goals, the organizational leaders change less frequently. There is less
politics, things happen faster.
We can not avoid dealing with municipalities though. I
One thing that I found helpful when we had to do this for the county years back
was actually to bring in some sample equipments that we talked about
installing. Also bringing picture of typical cell company tower installs.
Showing them that we are looking for minimal size and will cause far
I'm not sure that LinkedIn exposes public e-mail addresses but it does
give you the option of posting your own Website which, in turn, may expose
an e-mail address.
. . . j o n a t h a n
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of
I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation.
I'll pay someone for their time.
thanks,
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: Re:
Marlon,
I've also had problems getting started with Radio Mobile. I haven't
tried it yet, but Snowcrash on the StarOS forums suggested the
tutorial at this site.
http://www.g3tvu.co.uk/Quick_Start.htm
It looks promising. Maybe better printed out on a black white
printer :-)
-John
Blair,
Well, because the 5.180 GHz range is only legal for indoor use in the
U.S., your problem could be one of the following.
a) The signal over the 1 km indoor path is bouncing off too many
interior walls and creating unpredictable multipath effects. Check to
see if any new interior
You can control access to your personal info in both LinkedIn and Facebook.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn
I use RM a lot. I think you might find the tutorial much better than
talking to someone. It goes at your speed, when you want and does a
good job of giving you the basics and then what else it can do. And, as
the saying goes, a picture is worth 1000 words. He shows you what you
should see
I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
that?
We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
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Broadband for Business
Public and
One think I would look at is: Are the connector center pins crimped or are they
soldered? Temperature has a way on contracting and expanding metal, darned all
the luck. But this has happened to me in the past.
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
From: Blair Davis
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:54:21AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
I would prefer funds be made available to companies:
with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services
What's wrong with exceeding $1 million revenues? I've done so for a
while, and I'm sure a bunch of other good
I was debating an amount, but it's far easier for companies exceeding $1M in
revenues to raise funds than for someone making $100k.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
Mike Hammett wrote:
with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services
What's wrong with that? That's only about $83k a month, which if you
have a high ARPU could be as few as 800-1000 existing subscribers. I can
understand having some sort of revenue cutoff, but that seems awfully
A typo It should have read 5.280GHz...
Sorry for the confusion.
Jack Unger wrote:
Blair,
Well, because the 5.180 GHz range is only legal for indoor use in the
U.S., your problem could be one of the following.
a) The signal over the 1 km indoor path is bouncing off too many
Lol no dont email the fiber please... Yeah send the maps\contact info if you
would.
Thanks,
John
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 7:57:40 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re:
Maybe a higher value, but my point was that smaller operators can't get
money because they're too small. Someone with thousands of customers has
the ability to get financing either from a financial institution or private
investors far more easily.
There's no reason why MT or Star couldn't
OK - well that changes EVERYTHING! Change the LMR-400 jumper on the
end with the low RSSI.
Blair Davis wrote:
A typo It should have read 5.280GHz...
Sorry for the confusion.
Jack Unger wrote:
Blair,
Well, because the 5.180 GHz range is only legal for indoor use
Our last WISPA offically lobbied number was less than $10 million in yearly
revenue.
It solved the same purpose without excluding some WISPA members.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett
That would be fine. I just don't want to see ATT, Verizon, or even someone
smaller like Paetec to get anything. They had their chance to build these
networks on their own. Now it's our turn.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Are there any radios that are in the same space? Less than $5k for a link
and not an MT or Star? I exclude those only because I can build an MT box
myself.
100 megabit 100 megs (50 FD), 20 MHz
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
What questions should be asked?
I think we should ask if they are going to allow input as to what we (as the
operators) think would be the most efficient use of funds. In other words,
are we, as a trade group AND individuals, going to have ANY time to give
them our ideas? After all, our
- Original Message -
From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS
Some simple rules to move things in your direction...
1. limit the size of loans or grants -
LOL...Jack, I love the way you were able to troubleshoot his INDOOR link. Very
informative. My hat's off to ya. Kudoos
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link problem
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Hiya Tom,
Yeah I know where we sent it. As far as I'm concerned we speak for all
WISPs. If they want to help control what is said they can join. But we're
here if they want to provide input
I think that good ideas are good ideas, no matter where they come from.
There are some otherwise
I'm probably more worried about you divulging my email address to them. I'm
not a customer and not a user. What protections do *I* have when someone
else gives them my email addy in an attempt to make me join the group?
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Jonathan Schmidt
Sold!
I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm.
I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is!
Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in.
laters,
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Jerry Richardson
Get your SRTM data from here...
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version1/United_States_1arcsec/1arcsec/
-Eric
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Sold!
I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm.
I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is!
Also,
roflmao
You guys really do give me FAR too much credit here!
How the heck do I figure out which of those I need? Or do I need ALL of
them?
thanks
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03,
I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it?
Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a
good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping
program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are
For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain
data as needed.
- Open RM
- Options
- Internet
- Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending
your region at the end
ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/
To determine your region:
I think Marlon is going to get his tin foil hat out before he uses Paypal.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:42 PM
To:
OK, I have that in there. Nothing happened.
Just send WHAT? An email? What's it supposed to say?
I'm probably the only guy that that's NEVER used and ATM too. I don't have
a PIN number or anything. If I'm gonna need cash I just go to the bank and
get some. How hard is that? Plus I get
Marlon,
Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a
programmer, he is an engineer who built this to solve his problems. He was
gracious enough years ago to release this as freeware and has worked very
hard at improving it. Commercial RF tools (of which I have a
Hi All,
I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some
links may be less, but I'm not counting on that.
I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic.
I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share
across the
Hiya,
Anyone in Wa. set up for e-rate? Can you suggest a lawyer to help me get
set up for it?
Or is there something else that I need to do?
thanks,
marlon
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Oh, and by the way, Radio Mobile is not a mapping program, it just happens
to use maps to display the engineering results it has the ability to
calculate.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of
OK, last one.
What would you guys use for 3650 gear. I need to deliver very high speeds
to lots of users with near 100% reliability. Money matters, but it's not
the driving force here.
Also, I'm looking for a mobile 4.9 system. We'll have to roam across
multiple towers that have multiple
Just for what it's worth, I have donated several hundred dollars to the
Radio Mobile author over the past few years. Everyone else that uses it
should donate as well...
Travis
Microserv
Brian Webster wrote:
Marlon,
Roger Coude the software author (a personal friend of mine) is not a
Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure
$15,000 per link for everything.
Travis
Microserv
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Hi All,
I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some
links may be less, but I'm not counting on that.
I'll be hauling
I get all that Brian. And, naturally you are right.
I am sure that Roger is a great guy, if I ever get the chance to meet him
I'd love to buy him a beer, on behalf of everyone that gets to take
advantage of his hard work. I've give away more than a little of my own
time and knowledge, with
Um, can I pick a location, input some information about my antenna at that
area and create a printable map?
If I can't do that I've certainly picked the wrong program for what I want
to do. I could have sworn that I'd seen coverage maps that were done with
rm though.
Do you have a suggestion
Good idea. I'll try to remember to do that!
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com ; WISPA General List
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Just for what it's worth, I have donated several
Some interesting results from a side by side comparison of these
radios...
ubquity NS2
firmware XS2.ar2316.v3.1.1.3498.080725.1324
ap sees radio at -77
radio sees ap at -76
EnGenius EOC-2610
firmware 1.0.30
ap sees radio at -76
radio sees ap at -89
Transfer rates are within 5% of each
The 5.8 GHz backup links will help you deal with outages due to
environmental conditions such as rain fade. That has to be factored in for
links when you operate above 10 GHz. Even if you run a loop configuration
you could have a fade condition that could block out a whole tower site
severing your
I don't know if I'll be able to put some many antennas on the towers.
How close together would I need the towers to prevent the rain fade outage
at 18 gig?
Aren't there any 5.8 systems that will do this reliably in the first place?
I shouldn't need 5.x for distribution so I could use it all
I suspect that Tom is correct in that very few questions will get to be
asked at the March 10 meeting. Looking at the agenda it will be mostly
speeches by representatives from the various agencies.
Since they have the money, I also suspect that they will be the ones telling
us how it works
Marlon,
Trying to design a complex system like this via a listserve "committee"
is more than a little bit risky. Have you considered going to someone
who actually has this type of network design experience and paying them
to do the whole job right the first time? Just asking.
jack
Marlon
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