Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[George Rogato]

I had a partner years ago was a computer guy.
We opened a new store in another city and he wanted to have a hole cut 
in the wall for a big window type deal between the retail end and the 
tech desk.

I told him to wait till I cam up to do some other work.

Instead he took one of my small trim skill saws and decided he could cut 
a hole in a wall.

True story.

He take the skill saw and he lays it against the wall about eye level 
and places his face, his eye in particular, right in front of the blade 
of the saw, so he could see where it was going.


SPLINTERS!

Splinters in the eye when he pulled that trigger.

Note to others, wear safety gogles and maintanine safe distance away 
from the saw.






Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service 
> calls when the phones weren't busy.  This guy is pretty big - probably 
> about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world.  
> 
> He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which 
> was up in the attic above the guys garage.   Apparently, he lost his 
> balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the 
> attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor.   He was 
> alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty 
> understanding about the situation.
> 
> I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started 
> falling off the ladder, he just did a "tuck and roll".   Which made me 
> feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized 
> human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall 
> was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard.   
> I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and 
> Sesame Street muppets going through walls.
> 
> He doesn't do service calls any more.  :^)
> 
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Miller wrote:
>> This should make for a good read, or a good laugh.
>>
>> This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes 
>> on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was 
>> different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done 
>> in the past. 
>>
>> The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a 
>> small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall 
>> plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell 
>> was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 
>> 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was 
>> getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price 
>> for that one.
>>
>> The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to 
>> not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking 
>> around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, 
>> still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it 
>> being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time 
>> to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I 
>> slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. 
>> I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool 
>> about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save 
>> face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and 
>> USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free 
>> months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of 
>> the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe.
>>  And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this.
>>
>> Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in 
>> everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm 
>> not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for 
>> over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means 
>> putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my 
>> company, I've always had the "just get it done" attitude. There is nothing 
>> that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that "I" 
>> have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to 
>> delegate those jobs out.
>>
>> Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone 
>> here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The 
>> main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely.
>>
>> Joe Miller
>> DSLbyAir, LLC
>> 228-238-2563
>> www.dslbyair.com
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Mike Hammett]

Dun dun dun


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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for the young

> Kinda like laughing in a limo in Chicago?
>
> ;-)
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Larsen - Lists 
>
> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:52:25
> To: ; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,
> they are for the young
>
>
> One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service
> calls when the phones weren't busy.  This guy is pretty big - probably
> about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world.
>
> He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which
> was up in the attic above the guys garage.   Apparently, he lost his
> balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the
> attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor.   He was
> alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty
> understanding about the situation.
>
> I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started
> falling off the ladder, he just did a "tuck and roll".   Which made me
> feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized
> human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall
> was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard.
> I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and
> Sesame Street muppets going through walls.
>
> He doesn't do service calls any more.  :^)
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
>
>
> Joe Miller wrote:
>> This should make for a good read, or a good laugh.
>>
>> This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still 
>> goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing 
>> was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that 
>> I've done in the past.
>>
>> The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling 
>> a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank 
>> wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What 
>> the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've 
>> always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from 
>> happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is 
>> still paying the price for that one.
>>
>> The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to 
>> not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. 
>> Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right 
>> hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues 
>> with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the 
>> third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up 
>> there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the 
>> sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was 
>> pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In 
>> order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the 
>> new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. 
>> Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the 
>> cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size 
>> of my size 13 shoe.
>>  And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this.
>>
>> Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in 
>> everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. 
>> I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses 
>> for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it 
>> means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for 
>> my company, I've always had the "just get it done" attitude. There is 
>> nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't 
>> mean that "I" have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to 
>> learn how to delegate those jobs out.
>>
>> Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone 
>> here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. 
>> The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them 
>> safely.
>>
>> Joe Miller
>> DSLbyAir, LLC
>> 228-238-2563
>> www.dslbyair.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

[Blake Bowers]

It was my error, e&m, not e to m.  Ear to Mouth.  Basically just
makes an analog pipe.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Jenkins" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers


>I tried to look it up but I cannot figure it out. Whats an E to M card?
>
> Blake Bowers wrote:
>> I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers
>> that they want to sell.  A couple of 3600 series routers, and
>> E to M cards.
>>
>>
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[George Rogato]

D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 > My understanding is the Vinyl tape is more solar resistant than the
 > black rubber...
 >
 > ryan

Not sure about this.
I use rubber and sometimes we put vinyl tape as a 2nd layer.
But I have never seen the rubber tape fail, except, the cheap junk you 
get in a true value harware store that has a plastic layer you peel off.
That stuff disintergrates, shouldn't be used for anything I can think of.

We use 3m and it's high quality. I stretch it out pretty far and it 
really covers tight.

Something else we used as electricians in the past that I may have tried 
years ago to add aditional sealing, was liguid rubber.
3m or scotch make a liquid rubber product that you brush on and coats 
the tape that is used. It's called "Scotch Coat" in the electrical trade.
It's an additional layer of protection.

Downside, as you can imagine, it's kinda messy to work with.




> 
> Mark Nash wrote:
>> Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
>> HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>>
>>
>>   
>>> Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons
>>> would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
>>> connection. That took care of that!
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB.
   
>> I
>>   
 can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
 problem.

 How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular site
   
>> is
>>   
 at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 2-week
 periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the worst
   
>> for
>>   
 coax failures.

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers


   
> I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones
> 
 from
   
> Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had any
> problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax
> 
>> seal
>>   
> around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
> 
>> We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
>>   
>> prior
>>   
 to
   
>> that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers
>>   
 from
   
>> Hyperlink.
>>
>> Anyone else have a problem?
>>
>> Any recommendations on best source for them?
>>
>> We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad
>>   
>> it's
>>   
 a
   
>> big frustrating problem.
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

[Chuck Bartosch]

On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> Hiya Tom,
>
> Yeah I know where we sent it.  As far as I'm concerned we speak for  
> all
> WISPs.  If they want to help control what is said they can join.   
> But we're
> here if they want to provide input
>
> I think that good ideas are good ideas, no matter where they come  
> from.
> There are some otherwise smart people that are still not members!
>
> AND, I already asked this on the members only list and no one  
> bothered to
> even talk about it there.

Because it had already been talked about .

Chuck

>
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
> P.S.  I'm not giving out anything that I think will help my  
> competitors :-).
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
>
>
>> Marlon,
>>
>> Also note... Your post was sent to the general list, not the  
>> members list.
>> Technically, WISPA's obligation is to only consider the opinions of  
>> its
>> "members" when formulating official WISPA opinion.
>> As well, there is risk in sharing WISPA's strategy with the open  
>> public,
>> which include our competitors.
>> This thread would likely be more active, if it was made on the  
>> member's
>> list, so comments could be made freely, knowing the audience.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "John McDowell" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
>>
>>
>>> Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish   
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org,  
 I will
 allow them to go through.  The Grants Committee wants your input  
 but
 does
 not necessarily read every post on all the listservs.

 Thanks,
 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of John McDowell
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

 I thought I saw some posts on that?
 My main concern is that I do not want a community to be  
 determined by
 Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people  
 that are
 not
 on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major
 pitfalls
 of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for
 grants
 already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a  
 better
 way
 to
 determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of  
 whether it
 is
 reported as a community or not.

 The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for  
 obtaining
 licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP
 microwave
 links.

 Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network
 Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this  
 growth.
 Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying  
 positions,
 not
 to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type
 technologies
 with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network.

 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again
>
> If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what  
> should
> we
> tell the government?
>
> I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all.   
> Did my
 last
> post fail to make it through?  Or should we not give any input  
> into
> the
> process if given the chance?  We'll just let the telco's get all  
> of it
> then?
>
> marlon
>
>
>
>
>

 
 
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Re: [WISPA] The good college try

[George Rogato]

Brian

It's bits for transfer and bytes for file sizes.

Lots of people get that mixed up.

Hope that helps

George


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> I wear that hat.  "Jack of all trades, master of none"
> 
> Today, I drove by rental house down the road and saw dish tv being 
> installed.  I turned around to go tell the new renter I had wireless 
> internet in the area. (I always find sat tv subs are likely to want 
> internet) So, I go tell him and he says how fast is your service?  I 
> say, 3-4 meg down and 1-2 meg up.  He says megabytes or megabits?  I 
> stuttered for a bit and said, ya know, like a t1 is 1.5 meg, my service 
> is twice as fast.  Tell you what, I felt like a moron.  After five years 
> of "doing it all" it sure seems like I would know a bit from a byte.  Oh 
> well, at least I got the subscriber. 
> So, like I said.  Jack of all trades, master of none.
> 
> Brian
> 
> RickG wrote:
>> I can identify with both of you. I do it all but it becomes overwhelming at
>> times!
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help,
>>> feel free to holler.
>>>
>>> I love the technical stuff.   Don't much care for the paperwork or installs
>>> in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the
>>> truck...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Forbes Mercy" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] The good college try
>>>
>>>
>>> 
 The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost
 my system admin in the last budget cut.  He helps from his new job but
 the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most
 technically inclined as I should be.  Obviously I have more knowledge
 than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can
 sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time
 admin to hire people who can guide me.  My feeling is Marlon is pretty
 much in the same boat.  While some in WISPA have thousands of customers
 in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural.  Speaking only for
 myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this
 group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I
 have interest in a topic.  We try not to look dumb when we ask for help
 and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects,
 paying for consulting or just a big thanks.  Some on here may think
 non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I
 personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe
 I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done
 it over 200 times.  Just show a little patience and if you don't want to
 educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when
 you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or
 act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button.  Thanks
 for what you do help, I appreciate it!



 Forbes



 

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul



 Marlon,

 Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in
 over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from
 someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are
 doing.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

 Thanks.

 Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network
 is
 build in a circle?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: "Travis Johnson"  
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul




 Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop.
 Figure
 $15,000 per link for everything.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:


 Hi All,

 I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to
 20 miles.  Some
 links may be less, but I'm not counting on that.

 I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal
 internet traffic.

 I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a
 ring.  I can load
 share
 across the ring as long as speeds never drop below
 100megs.  I'll want
 things to be automatically self healing if there is a
 loss of
 con

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[RickG]

Gives a new meaning to "truck roll"!!! -RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

> One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service
> calls when the phones weren't busy.  This guy is pretty big - probably
> about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world.
>
> He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which
> was up in the attic above the guys garage.   Apparently, he lost his
> balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the
> attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor.   He was
> alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty
> understanding about the situation.
>
> I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started
> falling off the ladder, he just did a "tuck and roll".   Which made me
> feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized
> human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall
> was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard.
> I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and
> Sesame Street muppets going through walls.
>
> He doesn't do service calls any more.  :^)
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
>
>
> Joe Miller wrote:
> > This should make for a good read, or a good laugh.
> >
> > This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still
> goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was
> different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done
> in the past.
> >
> > The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling
> a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank
> wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the
> hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always
> used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening.
> It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying
> the price for that one.
> >
> > The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to
> not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking
> around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand,
> still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it
> being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time
> to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I
> slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock.
> I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool
> about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save
> face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and
> USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free
> months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of
> the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe.
> >  And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this.
> >
> > Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in
> everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm
> not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for
> over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means
> putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my
> company, I've always had the "just get it done" attitude. There is nothing
> that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that "I"
> have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to
> delegate those jobs out.
> >
> > Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone
> here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The
> main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely.
> >
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> > DSLbyAir, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

[John Thomas]

That's E&M, it's used to connect to analog voice stuff, in place of FXS 
or FXO cards.

John

Matt Jenkins wrote:
> I tried to look it up but I cannot figure it out. Whats an E to M card?
>
> Blake Bowers wrote:
>   
>> I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers
>> that they want to sell.  A couple of 3600 series routers, and 
>> E to M cards.
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Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

[lakeland]

An E&M circuit is a transmit and receive audio pair ( ear and mouth to the old 
bell guys). Usually a dedicated circuit between 2 points. Put audio into the tx 
pair and it comes out the receive pair on the other end
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Matt Jenkins 

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:33:51 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers


I tried to look it up but I cannot figure it out. Whats an E to M card?

Blake Bowers wrote:
> I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers
> that they want to sell.  A couple of 3600 series routers, and 
> E to M cards.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[lakeland]

Kinda like laughing in a limo in Chicago?

;-)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Matt Larsen - Lists 

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:52:25 
To: ; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,
 they are for the young


One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service 
calls when the phones weren't busy.  This guy is pretty big - probably 
about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world.  

He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which 
was up in the attic above the guys garage.   Apparently, he lost his 
balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the 
attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor.   He was 
alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty 
understanding about the situation.

I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started 
falling off the ladder, he just did a "tuck and roll".   Which made me 
feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized 
human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall 
was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard.   
I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and 
Sesame Street muppets going through walls.

He doesn't do service calls any more.  :^)

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com



Joe Miller wrote:
> This should make for a good read, or a good laugh.
>
> This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes 
> on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was 
> different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done 
> in the past. 
>
> The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a 
> small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall 
> plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell 
> was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 
> 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was 
> getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price 
> for that one.
>
> The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not 
> have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking 
> around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still 
> in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being 
> used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to 
> fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped 
> on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though 
> the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He 
> was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave 
> him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless 
> adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service 
> of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. 
> The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe.
>  And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this.
>
> Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's 
> life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying 
> I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, 
> it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off 
> installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've 
> always had the "just get it done" attitude. There is nothing that my company 
> does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that "I" have to do them. 
> When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out.
>
> Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone 
> here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The 
> main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely.
>
> Joe Miller
> DSLbyAir, LLC
> 228-238-2563
> www.dslbyair.com
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service 
calls when the phones weren't busy.  This guy is pretty big - probably 
about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world.  

He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which 
was up in the attic above the guys garage.   Apparently, he lost his 
balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the 
attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor.   He was 
alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty 
understanding about the situation.

I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started 
falling off the ladder, he just did a "tuck and roll".   Which made me 
feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized 
human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall 
was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard.   
I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and 
Sesame Street muppets going through walls.

He doesn't do service calls any more.  :^)

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com



Joe Miller wrote:
> This should make for a good read, or a good laugh.
>
> This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes 
> on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was 
> different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done 
> in the past. 
>
> The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a 
> small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall 
> plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell 
> was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 
> 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was 
> getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price 
> for that one.
>
> The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not 
> have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking 
> around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still 
> in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being 
> used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to 
> fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped 
> on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though 
> the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He 
> was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave 
> him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless 
> adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service 
> of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. 
> The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe.
>  And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this.
>
> Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's 
> life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying 
> I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, 
> it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off 
> installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've 
> always had the "just get it done" attitude. There is nothing that my company 
> does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that "I" have to do them. 
> When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out.
>
> Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone 
> here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The 
> main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely.
>
> Joe Miller
> DSLbyAir, LLC
> 228-238-2563
> www.dslbyair.com
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

[Matt Jenkins]

I tried to look it up but I cannot figure it out. Whats an E to M card?

Blake Bowers wrote:
> I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers
> that they want to sell.  A couple of 3600 series routers, and 
> E to M cards.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[eje]

Sticky side and it will risk sliding especially when you weather seal a 
connector next to a case side. 

/Eje
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:18:11 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors
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Re: [WISPA] The good college try

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I wear that hat.  "Jack of all trades, master of none"

Today, I drove by rental house down the road and saw dish tv being
installed.  I turned around to go tell the new renter I had wireless
internet in the area. (I always find sat tv subs are likely to want
internet) So, I go tell him and he says how fast is your service?  I
say, 3-4 meg down and 1-2 meg up.  He says megabytes or megabits?  I
stuttered for a bit and said, ya know, like a t1 is 1.5 meg, my service
is twice as fast.  Tell you what, I felt like a moron.  After five
years of "doing it all" it sure seems like I would know a bit from a
byte.  Oh well, at least I got the subscriber.  
So, like I said.  Jack of all trades, master of none.

Brian

RickG wrote:

  I can identify with both of you. I do it all but it becomes overwhelming at
times!
-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM,  wrote:

  
  
Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help,
feel free to holler.

I love the technical stuff.   Don't much care for the paperwork or installs
in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the
truck...







- Original Message -
From: "Forbes Mercy" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM
Subject: [WISPA] The good college try




  The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost
my system admin in the last budget cut.  He helps from his new job but
the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most
technically inclined as I should be.  Obviously I have more knowledge
than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can
sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time
admin to hire people who can guide me.  My feeling is Marlon is pretty
much in the same boat.  While some in WISPA have thousands of customers
in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural.  Speaking only for
myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this
group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I
have interest in a topic.  We try not to look dumb when we ask for help
and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects,
paying for consulting or just a big thanks.  Some on here may think
non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I
personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe
I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done
it over 200 times.  Just show a little patience and if you don't want to
educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when
you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or
act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button.  Thanks
for what you do help, I appreciate it!



Forbes





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul



Marlon,

Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in
over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from
someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are
doing.

Travis
Microserv

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Thanks.

Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network
is
build in a circle?
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Travis Johnson"  
To: "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul




Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop.
Figure
$15,000 per link for everything.

Travis
Microserv

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:


Hi All,

I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to
20 miles.  Some
links may be less, but I'm not counting on that.

I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal
internet traffic.

I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a
ring.  I can load
share
across the ring as long as speeds never drop below
100megs.  I'll want
things to be automatically self healing if there is a
loss of
connectivity
in any direction.

What would you guys use/suggest?

I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna
sizes) but
unlicensed
may be OK due to the failover capabilities.

We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust
storms.

What gear would you use?  How would you set this up?

I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are
welcome.  Pall park
numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to
run high vs. low,
I'd
rather over estimate the costs.

thanks,
marlon






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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Brian Rohrbacher]

First coat.  Electrical tape (sticky side out) easiest to remove
2nd 
http://www.shop3m.com/80050049008.html?WT.mc_ev=clickthrough&WT.mc_id=shop3m-AtoZ-Scotch-Vinyl-Mastic
3m mastic.  It's nice and nasty but it's all I've used for 5 yrs.  Only
a couple leaks. (probably user error)
3rd.  Another layer of electric tape.

Brian

os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

  A good final coating over the tape (be it pure rubber or vinyl) is  
3M's Scotchkote http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OES1_nid=6Q3BGBPJ7CbeFR7R0D83TCgl

We used that on seagoing ships for outdoor connections that see salt  
water, rain, high winds, freezing rain, etc.

Greg


On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:27 PM, RickG wrote:

  
  
I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects  
the
connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition,  
the tape
seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and  
just POE
everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas  
with radios
build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad  
radio.
The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you  
still
need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users  
bandwidth if
they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the  
user side?

-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:



  Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message -
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


  
  
Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the  
pigeons
would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
connection. That took care of that!
-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash   
wrote:



  The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape  
from GB.
  

  
  I
  
  

  can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
problem.

How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one  
particular site
  

  
  is
  
  

  at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 2- 
week
periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the  
worst
  

  
  for
  
  

  coax failures.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers


  
  
I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades

  

  
  ones
  
  

  from
  
  
Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had  
any
problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much  
coax

  

  
  seal
  
  

  
around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable  
material)?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,  
poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 

  

  
  wrote:
  
  

  

  We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
  

  

  
  prior
  
  

  to
  
  

  that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195  
jumpers
  

  
  from
  
  

  Hyperlink.

Anyone else have a problem?

Any recommendations on best source for them?

We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad
  

  

  
  it's
  
  

  a
  
  

  big frustrating problem.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com



  



  



  
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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

[Scottie Arnett]

That's good toknow. I do not use it anyways. We do not have the slide for
it, but the water guys do. I use two or three lanyards and the ladder rungs
to climb them. Its much slower climb, but I get there eventually.

Scottie

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:46 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)


And they are useless when the water tank is painted. The extra paint
thickness causes the dimensions to change and the "brake" no longer slides
on the pipe. -RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Scottie Arnett  wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I am a little late on this reply, got backed up on list emailsanyways.
> http://www.farwestcorrosion.com/ccpcoatings/north01.htm   They are called
> Saf-T-Climb. That is the type  that are on the tanks we have equipment 
> on.
>
> HTH,
> Scottie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark McElvy [mailto:mmce...@accubak.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:30 PM
> To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
>
>
> I have the pipe type on one of my water towers, where do you get and 
> what do you call the device to connect to it?
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:31 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
>
> They use that type safety(pipe with notches) on most water tanks in my 
> area.
>
> Scottie
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:01:50 -0700
>
> >No but you could fall down and get so tangled up the rescue would be 
> >difficult.  I have climbed caged ladders that had a pipe up the 
> >center
> of
> >the ladder with small ratchet notches in it.  The arrester device was 
> >a
> pipe
> >looking thing that would slide up the safety pipe/rail.  It had a
> spring
> >loaded dog that would engage the notches if you fell.  I thought it 
> >was
> a
> >pretty good system.
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "3-dB Networks" 
> >To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:39 PM
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
> >
> >
> >> That's what the safety cage is for. if you fall basically you 
> >> should
> only
> >> be
> >> leaning back on the cage.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You technically shouldn't be able to fall with a safety cage.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Daniel White
> >>
> >> 3-dB Networks
> >>
> >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:30 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What happens when you fall?
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> John Valenti wrote:
> >>
> >> Brian,
> >> Why would you want to add a safety cable to the cage?  I'm on 
> >> several legs with the cages and they seem great. I usually just 
> >> lean back to take a break while climbing.
> >>
> >> It seems like an unnecessary bother, and something else to get in 
> >> the way while climbing the ladder.  Just curious what your thinking 
> >> is, maybe I'm missing something. -John
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center 
> >> of the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already 
> >> one on the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with 
> >> either a belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river 
> >> harness
> that
> >> is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is 
> >> needed?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[os10rules]

A good final coating over the tape (be it pure rubber or vinyl) is  
3M's Scotchkote 
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OES1_nid=6Q3BGBPJ7CbeFR7R0D83TCgl

We used that on seagoing ships for outdoor connections that see salt  
water, rain, high winds, freezing rain, etc.

Greg


On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:27 PM, RickG wrote:

> I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects  
> the
> connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition,  
> the tape
> seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
> To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and  
> just POE
> everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas  
> with radios
> build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad  
> radio.
> The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you  
> still
> need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
> capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users  
> bandwidth if
> they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the  
> user side?
>
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
>> Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
>> HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>>
>>
>>> Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the  
>>> pigeons
>>> would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
>>> connection. That took care of that!
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash   
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape  
 from GB.
>> I
 can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
 problem.

 How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one  
 particular site
>> is
 at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 2- 
 week
 periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the  
 worst
>> for
 coax failures.

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers


> I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades
>> ones
 from
> Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had  
> any
> problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much  
> coax
>> seal
> around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable  
> material)?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,  
> poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 
>> wrote:
>
>> We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
>> prior
 to
>> that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195  
>> jumpers
 from
>> Hyperlink.
>>
>> Anyone else have a problem?
>>
>> Any recommendations on best source for them?
>>
>> We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad
>> it's
 a
>> big frustrating problem.
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

[3-dB Networks]

Yes... any licensed solution is the next step (well the PtP 500 Full would
be cheaper than the licensed stuff too... and it is a much better radio from
an RF standpoint I think)

A PtP 600 will do it... but it costs more than the
Dragonwave/Trango/Cablefree/Nera links out there.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:24 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
>oh, okay, then yes, it'll work.  ;-)
>
>Anything faster than this radio and your best bet is a Trango or
>Dragonwave
>licensed product, correct? (I don't care about which is better, Trango
>or
>DragonWave.)
>
>
>-
>Mike Hammett
>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>--
>From: "3-dB Networks" 
>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:20 PM
>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
>> Right... but the customer changed the specification to 50Mb FDX on
>him...
>> so
>> now it works :-)
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>On
>>>Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM
>>>To: WISPA General List
>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>>>
>>>Won't it only do 50 meg FDX?
>>>
>>>
>>>-
>>>Mike Hammett
>>>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>From: "3-dB Networks" 
>>>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:49 AM
>>>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>>>
 Ryan,

 The new RAD RW2000 will do that... hit me offlist for a quote

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com

>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>>On
>Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:39 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
>ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they
>only
>NEED
>40 to 50 meg full duplex.
>and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today
>that I
>get the bid for this project if
>I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of
>>>profit,
>I'm
>not sure I can make it happen
>do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs.
>I
>see
>that microtik has a unit they say can do
>60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have
>experiance with them?
>
>Ryan
>
>On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly
>>>more?
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks 
>>>wrote:
>>
>> > An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly
>> cheaper...
>> >
>> > PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do
>it...
>> but
>> > that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.
>> >
>> > Daniel White
>> > 3-dB Networks
>> > http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>> >
>> >
>> > >-Original Message-
>> > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > >Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM
>> > >To: WISPA General List
>> > >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>> > >
>> > >The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At
>$11,000 for
>> > >a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are
>going
>to
>> > >find for this kind of bandwidth.
>> > >
>> > >Travis
>> > >Microserv
>> > >
>> > >Ryan Ghering wrote:
>> > >> I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile.
>>>Unlicensed
>gear
>> > >is
>> > >> preferred as this is a low budget hop.
>> > >> Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has
>this
>> > >capacity?
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks
>> > >> Ryan
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> -
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Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

[Mike Hammett]

oh, okay, then yes, it'll work.  ;-)

Anything faster than this radio and your best bet is a Trango or Dragonwave 
licensed product, correct? (I don't care about which is better, Trango or 
DragonWave.)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "3-dB Networks" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:20 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

> Right... but the customer changed the specification to 50Mb FDX on him... 
> so
> now it works :-)
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>>
>>Won't it only do 50 meg FDX?
>>
>>
>>-
>>Mike Hammett
>>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>From: "3-dB Networks" 
>>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:49 AM
>>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>>
>>> Ryan,
>>>
>>> The new RAD RW2000 will do that... hit me offlist for a quote
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only
NEED
40 to 50 meg full duplex.
and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today
that I
get the bid for this project if
I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of
>>profit,
I'm
not sure I can make it happen
do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I
see
that microtik has a unit they say can do
60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have
experiance with them?

Ryan

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly
>>more?
> -RickG
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks 
>>wrote:
>
> > An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly
> cheaper...
> >
> > PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do
it...
> but
> > that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.
> >
> > Daniel White
> > 3-dB Networks
> > http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> >
> >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
boun...@wispa.org] On
> > >Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM
> > >To: WISPA General List
> > >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
> > >
> > >The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At
$11,000 for
> > >a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going
to
> > >find for this kind of bandwidth.
> > >
> > >Travis
> > >Microserv
> > >
> > >Ryan Ghering wrote:
> > >> I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile.
>>Unlicensed
gear
> > >is
> > >> preferred as this is a low budget hop.
> > >> Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has
this
> > >capacity?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Ryan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---
>>--
-
> > >--
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> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

[3-dB Networks]

Right... but the customer changed the specification to 50Mb FDX on him... so
now it works :-)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com

>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:58 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
>Won't it only do 50 meg FDX?
>
>
>-
>Mike Hammett
>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>--
>From: "3-dB Networks" 
>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:49 AM
>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> The new RAD RW2000 will do that... hit me offlist for a quote
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>On
>>>Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:39 PM
>>>To: WISPA General List
>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>>>
>>>ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only
>>>NEED
>>>40 to 50 meg full duplex.
>>>and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today
>>>that I
>>>get the bid for this project if
>>>I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of
>profit,
>>>I'm
>>>not sure I can make it happen
>>>do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I
>>>see
>>>that microtik has a unit they say can do
>>>60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have
>>>experiance with them?
>>>
>>>Ryan
>>>
>>>On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>>
 Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly
>more?
 -RickG

 On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks 
>wrote:

 > An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly
 cheaper...
 >
 > PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do
>>>it...
 but
 > that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.
 >
 > Daniel White
 > 3-dB Networks
 > http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 >
 >
 > >-Original Message-
 > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>>boun...@wispa.org] On
 > >Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 > >Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM
 > >To: WISPA General List
 > >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
 > >
 > >The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At
>>>$11,000 for
 > >a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going
>>>to
 > >find for this kind of bandwidth.
 > >
 > >Travis
 > >Microserv
 > >
 > >Ryan Ghering wrote:
 > >> I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile.
>Unlicensed
>>>gear
 > >is
 > >> preferred as this is a low budget hop.
 > >> Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has
>>>this
 > >capacity?
 > >>
 > >> Thanks
 > >> Ryan
 > >>
 > >>
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Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

[Mike Hammett]

Won't it only do 50 meg FDX?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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--
From: "3-dB Networks" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:49 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

> Ryan,
>
> The new RAD RW2000 will do that... hit me offlist for a quote
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:39 PM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>>
>>ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only
>>NEED
>>40 to 50 meg full duplex.
>>and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today
>>that I
>>get the bid for this project if
>>I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit,
>>I'm
>>not sure I can make it happen
>>do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I
>>see
>>that microtik has a unit they say can do
>>60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have
>>experiance with them?
>>
>>Ryan
>>
>>On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>>> Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more?
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>>>
>>> > An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly
>>> cheaper...
>>> >
>>> > PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do
>>it...
>>> but
>>> > that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.
>>> >
>>> > Daniel White
>>> > 3-dB Networks
>>> > http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >-Original Message-
>>> > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> > >Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM
>>> > >To: WISPA General List
>>> > >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>>> > >
>>> > >The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At
>>$11,000 for
>>> > >a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going
>>to
>>> > >find for this kind of bandwidth.
>>> > >
>>> > >Travis
>>> > >Microserv
>>> > >
>>> > >Ryan Ghering wrote:
>>> > >> I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed
>>gear
>>> > >is
>>> > >> preferred as this is a low budget hop.
>>> > >> Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has
>>this
>>> > >capacity?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thanks
>>> > >> Ryan
>>> > >>
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Eje Gustafsson]

http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=Wtrproofkit&eq=&Tp=

Butyl tape might be nasty but applied right it creates a great weather seal.
My recommendations is to put electrical tape down on the connector and cable
before putting the butyl down then wrap the butyl first loosely with
electrical one layer then do a hard wrapped layer with electrical and finish
of with a third lose layer of electrical and make sure you cut the
electrical tape and have NO pull on the last 2-3 inches of the electrical
tape or it will start peel itself back off. 

The first layer of electrical tape under the butyl will allow you to get the
wrapping off when/if you ever need to take things apart again with minimal
problem and still have clean cable and connectors. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS:HyperlinkCoax
Jumpers

Thanks.

Sounds like coax-seal & electrical tape is a good solution.

Anyone have other solutions?  We used to use butyl but that stuff's nasty.

We're going to this tower tomorrow because it looks like that's the only
break in the weather.  I just ordered a few boxes of coax-seal for overnight
delivery.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors
WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


> I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the
> connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape
> seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
> To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just
POE
> everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with
radios
> build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio.
> The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still
> need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
> capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if
> they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user
side?
>
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
> > Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "RickG" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
> > HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
> >
> >
> > > Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the
pigeons
> > > would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
> > > connection. That took care of that!
> > > -RickG
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> > >
> > > > The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from
GB.
> > I
> > > > can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular
site
> > is
> > > > at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few
2-week
> > > > periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the
worst
> > for
> > > > coax failures.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Nash
> > > > UnwiredWest
> > > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > > Suite E
> > > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > > 541-998-
> > > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades
> > ones
> > > > from
> > > > > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had
any
> > > > > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much
coax
> > seal
> > > > > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable
material)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > > Suite 1337
> > > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > > >
> > > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
poorly.
> > > > > --- Henry Spencer
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months,
whereas
> > prior
> > > > to
> > > > > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195
jumpers
> > > > from
> > > >

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Josh Luthman]

We used to use stuff that looks very similar to that (though definitely not
exactly the same) when we used Tranzeo stuff - did not work well, I give it
a D on weather proofing but an A on applying/removing.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM,  wrote:

> Try the new silicone tape from Times Microwave. Works real nice and comes
> right off with a razor knife
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mark Nash" 
>
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:23:14
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors
>WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sounds like coax-seal & electrical tape is a good solution.
>
> Anyone have other solutions?  We used to use butyl but that stuff's nasty.
>
> We're going to this tower tomorrow because it looks like that's the only
> break in the weather.  I just ordered a few boxes of coax-seal for
> overnight
> delivery.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors
> WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>
>
> > I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the
> > connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the
> tape
> > seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
> > To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just
> POE
> > everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with
> radios
> > build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad
> radio.
> > The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still
> > need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
> > capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if
> > they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user
> side?
> >
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> >
> > > Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
> > >
> > > Mark Nash
> > > UnwiredWest
> > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > Suite E
> > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > 541-998-
> > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "RickG" 
> > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
> > > HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
> > >
> > >
> > > > Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the
> pigeons
> > > > would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
> > > > connection. That took care of that!
> > > > -RickG
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from
> GB.
> > > I
> > > > > can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
> > > > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular
> site
> > > is
> > > > > at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few
> 2-week
> > > > > periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the
> worst
> > > for
> > > > > coax failures.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Nash
> > > > > UnwiredWest
> > > > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > > > Suite E
> > > > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > > > 541-998-
> > > > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > > > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades
> > > ones
> > > > > from
> > > > > > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had
> any
> > > > > > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much
> coax
> > > seal
> > > > > > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable
> material)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > > > Suite 1337
> > > > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
> poorly.
> > > > > > --- Henry Spencer
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months,
> whereas
> > > prior
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR1

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[lakeland]

Try the new silicone tape from Times Microwave. Works real nice and comes right 
off with a razor knife
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Mark Nash" 

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:23:14 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors
WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


Thanks.

Sounds like coax-seal & electrical tape is a good solution.

Anyone have other solutions?  We used to use butyl but that stuff's nasty.

We're going to this tower tomorrow because it looks like that's the only
break in the weather.  I just ordered a few boxes of coax-seal for overnight
delivery.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors
WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


> I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the
> connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape
> seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
> To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just
POE
> everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with
radios
> build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio.
> The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still
> need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
> capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if
> they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user
side?
>
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
> > Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "RickG" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
> > HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
> >
> >
> > > Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the
pigeons
> > > would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
> > > connection. That took care of that!
> > > -RickG
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> > >
> > > > The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from
GB.
> > I
> > > > can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular
site
> > is
> > > > at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few
2-week
> > > > periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the
worst
> > for
> > > > coax failures.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Nash
> > > > UnwiredWest
> > > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > > Suite E
> > > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > > 541-998-
> > > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades
> > ones
> > > > from
> > > > > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had
any
> > > > > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much
coax
> > seal
> > > > > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable
material)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > > Suite 1337
> > > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > > >
> > > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
poorly.
> > > > > --- Henry Spencer
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months,
whereas
> > prior
> > > > to
> > > > > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195
jumpers
> > > > from
> > > > > > Hyperlink.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone else have a problem?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any recommendations on best source for them?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go
bad
> > it's
> > > > a
> > > > > > big frustrating problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Nash
> > > > > > UnwiredWest
> > > > > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > > > > Suite E
> > > > > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > > > > 541-998-
> > > > > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> > > > --
> > > > > > 

Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Mark Nash]

Thanks.

Sounds like coax-seal & electrical tape is a good solution.

Anyone have other solutions?  We used to use butyl but that stuff's nasty.

We're going to this tower tomorrow because it looks like that's the only
break in the weather.  I just ordered a few boxes of coax-seal for overnight
delivery.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors
WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


> I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the
> connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape
> seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
> To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just
POE
> everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with
radios
> build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio.
> The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still
> need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
> capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if
> they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user
side?
>
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
> > Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "RickG" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
> > HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
> >
> >
> > > Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the
pigeons
> > > would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
> > > connection. That took care of that!
> > > -RickG
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> > >
> > > > The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from
GB.
> > I
> > > > can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular
site
> > is
> > > > at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few
2-week
> > > > periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the
worst
> > for
> > > > coax failures.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Nash
> > > > UnwiredWest
> > > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > > Suite E
> > > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > > 541-998-
> > > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades
> > ones
> > > > from
> > > > > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had
any
> > > > > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much
coax
> > seal
> > > > > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable
material)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > > Suite 1337
> > > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > > >
> > > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
poorly.
> > > > > --- Henry Spencer
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months,
whereas
> > prior
> > > > to
> > > > > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195
jumpers
> > > > from
> > > > > > Hyperlink.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone else have a problem?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any recommendations on best source for them?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go
bad
> > it's
> > > > a
> > > > > > big frustrating problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Nash
> > > > > > UnwiredWest
> > > > > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > > > > Suite E
> > > > > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > > > > 541-998-
> > > > > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > > > >
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[jp]

I would definitely seal a Ubiquiti Bullet if I put one outside, regardless of 
they their marketing says. Too many times, I have seen marketing departments 
show radios on a mast with blue indoor cat5 coming out, shiny unsealed coax 
connections, 80f, dry and sunny, etc...

They have good potential for CPE once approved for larger directional
antennas.

Their capabilities are lacking compared to Mikrotik, et.al. for AP use.
No noise floor adjustment, no nstreme, no virtual APs, no power less than
10-11dbm, no means of automated config backup, no interface for adding and 
saving
static routes, no calea tools, etc...

On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:57:33PM -0500, RickG wrote:
> I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the
> connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape
> seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
> To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE
> everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios
> build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio.
> The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still
> need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
> capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if
> they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side?
> 
> -RickG
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> 
> > Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "RickG" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
> > HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
> >
> >
> > > Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons
> > > would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
> > > connection. That took care of that!
> > > -RickG
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> > >
> > > > The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB.
> > I
> > > > can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular site
> > is
> > > > at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 2-week
> > > > periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the worst
> > for
> > > > coax failures.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Nash
> > > > UnwiredWest
> > > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > > Suite E
> > > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > > 541-998-
> > > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades
> > ones
> > > > from
> > > > > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had any
> > > > > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax
> > seal
> > > > > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > > Suite 1337
> > > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > > >
> > > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > > > > --- Henry Spencer
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
> > prior
> > > > to
> > > > > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers
> > > > from
> > > > > > Hyperlink.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone else have a problem?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any recommendations on best source for them?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad
> > it's
> > > > a
> > > > > > big frustrating problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Nash
> > > > > > UnwiredWest
> > > > > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > > > > Suite E
> > > > > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > > > > 541-998-
> > > > > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[RickG]

I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the
connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape
seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal.
To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE
everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios
build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio.
The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still
need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of
capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if
they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side?

-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:

> Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
> HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>
>
> > Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons
> > would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
> > connection. That took care of that!
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> >
> > > The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB.
> I
> > > can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular site
> is
> > > at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 2-week
> > > periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the worst
> for
> > > coax failures.
> > >
> > > Mark Nash
> > > UnwiredWest
> > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > Suite E
> > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > 541-998-
> > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades
> ones
> > > from
> > > > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had any
> > > > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax
> seal
> > > > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)?
> > > >
> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > >
> > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > > > --- Henry Spencer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
> prior
> > > to
> > > > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers
> > > from
> > > > > Hyperlink.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone else have a problem?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any recommendations on best source for them?
> > > > >
> > > > > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad
> it's
> > > a
> > > > > big frustrating problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Nash
> > > > > UnwiredWest
> > > > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > > > Suite E
> > > > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > > > 541-998-
> > > > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Josh Luthman]

There are two methods I can say work.

Electrical tape the entire thing then cover it in coax seal.  The purpose of
the electrical tape is only to "easily" remove all the gunk off of the coax
connector.  I personally spend $10 on a new cable and seal then spending 15
to 30 minutes minimum trying to clean it off.  Coax seal does a beautiful
job of keeping the weather out.  The worst part about Ohio weather is that
we can get a build up of ice and have it melt and freeze within 24 hours.
Finding how to seal our gear was a difficult task but has been solved.

For the last couple of years we quit using PacWireless enclosures and stick
with the no name brand "2 or 4 n hole enclosure" with ribs and U bolts.
Coax connectors sealed with a good foot of coax seal, from enclosure to the
factory sealer of the coax cable.  No problems in the last year or two since
doing this.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:

> Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
> HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>
>
> > Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons
> > would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
> > connection. That took care of that!
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> >
> > > The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB.
> I
> > > can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular site
> is
> > > at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 2-week
> > > periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the worst
> for
> > > coax failures.
> > >
> > > Mark Nash
> > > UnwiredWest
> > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > Suite E
> > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > 541-998-
> > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades
> ones
> > > from
> > > > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had any
> > > > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax
> seal
> > > > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)?
> > > >
> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > >
> > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > > > --- Henry Spencer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
> prior
> > > to
> > > > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers
> > > from
> > > > > Hyperlink.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone else have a problem?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any recommendations on best source for them?
> > > > >
> > > > > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad
> it's
> > > a
> > > > > big frustrating problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Nash
> > > > > UnwiredWest
> > > > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > > > Suite E
> > > > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > > > 541-998-
> > > > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[D. Ryan Spott]

My understanding is the Vinyl tape is more solar resistant than the 
black rubber...

ryan

Mark Nash wrote:
> Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
> HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
>
>
>   
>> Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons
>> would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
>> connection. That took care of that!
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB.
>>>   
> I
>   
>>> can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular site
>>>   
> is
>   
>>> at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 2-week
>>> periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the worst
>>>   
> for
>   
>>> coax failures.
>>>
>>> Mark Nash
>>> UnwiredWest
>>> 78 Centennial Loop
>>> Suite E
>>> Eugene, OR 97401
>>> 541-998-
>>> 541-998-5599 fax
>>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones
 
>>> from
>>>   
 Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had any
 problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax
 
> seal
>   
 around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

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 --- Henry Spencer


 On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:

 
> We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
>   
> prior
>   
>>> to
>>>   
> that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers
>   
>>> from
>>>   
> Hyperlink.
>
> Anyone else have a problem?
>
> Any recommendations on best source for them?
>
> We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad
>   
> it's
>   
>>> a
>>>   
> big frustrating problem.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
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[WISPA] OT: Navini equipment

[Jason Hensley]

Anyone interested?  Hit me offlist if so and I'll send details.  Just shut
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Joe Miller]

It was an existing plate on the wall and I didn't have any on my truck at the 
time. I have them now.


--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Scott Reed  wrote:

> From: Scott Reed 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are 
> for the young
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:08 AM
> Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4" hole
> in it.  No need to drill.
> 
> 
> 
> George Rogato wrote:
> > I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate.
> All of the sudden,
> > it shattered into about 10 pieces.
> >
> > That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall
> plate.
> >
> > Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan
> flexible ones.
> > Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you
> drill a hole in 
> > it, it doesn't crack or shatter.
> > They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone
> makes them , 
> > Leviton, eagle, p&s, hubble etc.
> >
> > They cost no more.
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers

[Mark Nash]

Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place?

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:
HyperlinkCoax Jumpers


> Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons
> would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
> connection. That took care of that!
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
> > The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB.
I
> > can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
> > problem.
> >
> > How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular site
is
> > at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 2-week
> > periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the worst
for
> > coax failures.
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
> >
> >
> > > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones
> > from
> > > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had any
> > > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax
seal
> > > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)?
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > > --- Henry Spencer
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> > >
> > > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas
prior
> > to
> > > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers
> > from
> > > > Hyperlink.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone else have a problem?
> > > >
> > > > Any recommendations on best source for them?
> > > >
> > > > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad
it's
> > a
> > > > big frustrating problem.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Nash
> > > > UnwiredWest
> > > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > > Suite E
> > > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > > 541-998-
> > > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
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Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

[RickG]

Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons
would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the
connection. That took care of that!
-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:

> The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB.  I
> can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a
> problem.
>
> How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular site is
> at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 2-week
> periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the worst for
> coax failures.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
>
>
> > I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones
> from
> > Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had any
> > problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal
> > around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > --- Henry Spencer
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> >
> > > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior
> to
> > > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers
> from
> > > Hyperlink.
> > >
> > > Anyone else have a problem?
> > >
> > > Any recommendations on best source for them?
> > >
> > > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad it's
> a
> > > big frustrating problem.
> > >
> > > Mark Nash
> > > UnwiredWest
> > > 78 Centennial Loop
> > > Suite E
> > > Eugene, OR 97401
> > > 541-998-
> > > 541-998-5599 fax
> > > http://www.unwiredwest.com
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Brent A Havens]

Sorry, damn windows mobile.

Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone.

-Original Message-
From: Brent A Havens 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:47
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for 
the young


Took tommy with me to finish up harrisonmn fisheries.

Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone.

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From: Scott Reed 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:08
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for 
the young


Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4" hole in it.  No need to drill.



George Rogato wrote:
> I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden,
> it shattered into about 10 pieces.
>
> That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate.
>
> Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones.
> Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in
> it, it doesn't crack or shatter.
> They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them ,
> Leviton, eagle, p&s, hubble etc.
>
> They cost no more.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

[3-dB Networks]

I'd have to do research... I've never gone looking for them before.

Many guys within Motorola can help though... hit me offlist and I can
provide some contacts

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:27 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>
>Got it.
>
>Do you know where to go after those grants that the county can get?
>
>thanks,
>marlon
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "3-dB Networks" 
>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>
>
>>I can only quote the MotoMesh Duo today... MotoMesh Solo though is
>probably
>> more along the lines of what you want... either way your not going to
>like
>> the price if your trying to do it on the cheap.  The sell to a city or
>> county though should work though with more expensive gear because they
>can
>> get grants, etc. for public safety.
>>
>> 4.9GHz to the car though is going to be hard to do without a Mesh
>> system...
>> and Mesh is costly.  I'd hate to be the one to sell a homebrew 4.9GHz
>> system
>> to a government agency and have it not perform as advertised.  You
>also
>> need
>> to be careful... 4.9GHz is part 90 not part-15 so FCC compliance
>should be
>> high on your list.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>On
>>>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:28 PM
>>>To: WISPA General List
>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>>
>>>Hmmm, can you price a system like this out?  I'll need per tower and
>per
>>>node prices.
>>>
>>>Out here we'll probably be better off with a less expensive homebrew
>>>system
>>>due to long term costs though
>>>
>>>marlon
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "3-dB Networks" 
>>>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:47 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>>
>>>
 That's what the MotoMesh gear is for... the MEA architecture
>>>(developed
 for
 the military to connector tanks with helicopters) allows the cop car
>>>to be
 traveling at 150MPH and for it to still work.  Plus to modems you
>>>install
 in
 the cars can mesh with the ones in other cars... so if one car can
>>>connect
 to the network but another car 1/4 mile down the road can't... it
>can
>>>mesh
 through another car to work.

 I don't think a municipality/county is going to like deploying a
>>>homebrew
 solution for something like this... Moto already has the complete
>>>turnkey
 package available (not that any of it is cheap!)

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>>On
>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:32 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>
>Got it.  Thanks!
>
>Any hardware suggestions to deal with the ssid/vlan or the mobile
>ip?
>
>The only reason mobility is important to me is that I envision a
>>>pursuit
>or
>code 3 call.  The dispatcher could then take control of the car's
>>>laptop
>and
>push the call info, map/gps data etc. to the car.  They could also
>use
>an ip
>enabled dash cam to keep an eye on what's happening at the call.
>This
>would
>allow much faster response times if something were to happen to the
>officer
>on scene.
>
>laters,
>marlon
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Jerry Richardson" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:02 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>
>
>> Might look at Solectek, they have both 3.65 and 4.9 multipoint
>> solutions. However, why not wait to see what happens with TVWS.
>>>Seems
>> that band would be outstanding for mobile use.
>>
>> Since it's your network, you could assign each agency it's own
>SSID/VLAN
>> which route across your network to the appropriate agency's
>servers.
>> This way the IP's are not changing as they move from tower to
>tower
>>>-
>> the only delay would be when the subscriber switches towers.
>>
>> Alternately MobileIP allows seamless roaming across multiple
>>>networks.
>>
>>
>> __
>> Jerry Richardson
>> airCloud Communications
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>boun...@wispa.org]
>On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:35 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>
>> OK, last one.
>

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

[RickG]

Sure, Mikrotik for under $1,000. How much more does a pre-built solution
have to cost anyways?
-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:50 PM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:

> The RadWin radio will do it in one 20MHz channel (one V-pol and one
> H-pol)..
> Plus it's a full solution. no build it yourself.
>
>
>
> But you can't beat the price of Mikrotik
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> 3-dB Networks
>
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:13 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
>
>
> The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean
> spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a
> couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that
> will
> hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same
> enclosure
> (
> http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-5
> 8-R2
> )
>
> 2 x RB433AH
> 4 x SR5 cards
> 2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails
>
> I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours
> to
> build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real
> challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would
> think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Ryan Ghering wrote:
>
> ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED
> 40 to 50 meg full duplex.
> and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I
> get the bid for this project if
> I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm
> not sure I can make it happen
> do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see
> that microtik has a unit they say can do
> 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have
> experiance with them?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG  
>  wrote:
>
>
>
> Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more?
> -RickG
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks  
>  wrote:
>
>
>
> An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly
>
>
> cheaper...
>
>
> PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it...
>
>
> but
>
>
> that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
> The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for
> a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to
> find for this kind of bandwidth.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Ryan Ghering wrote:
>
>
> I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear
>
>
> is
>
>
> preferred as this is a low budget hop.
> Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this
>
>
> capacity?
>
>
> Thanks
> Ryan
>
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[WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

[Mark Nash]

The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB.  I
can get it from the local hardware store.  I suspect that this is a problem.

How is everyone sealing connectors on towers?  This one particular site is
at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold.  Snow & ice on it for a few 2-week
periods per year.  Lots of rain during the winter.  It's been the worst for
coax failures.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers


> I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones
from
> Wisp Router and other places.  The last few years I have not had any
> problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal
> around them.  Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
> > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior
to
> > that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from
> > Hyperlink.
> >
> > Anyone else have a problem?
> >
> > Any recommendations on best source for them?
> >
> > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad it's a
> > big frustrating problem.
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
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Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

[3-dB Networks]

Very true...

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Jack Unger
>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:05 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>
>Yes, but the system doesn't have to fail before the WISP who supplies
>the homebrew 4.9 system gets blown out of the water. All one person
>would have to do is point out to the City that the equipment that they
>have been sold is uncertified and illegal to use per FCC rules. What
>Police Department IT guy (or Police Chief) is going to accept that and
>put his own career on the line just because some WISP didn't tell him
>the truth about the equipment that they sold the Police Department?
>
>3-dB Networks wrote:
>> I'd just hate to be the guy deploying a 4.9GHz homebrew system that
>the
>> police/fire come to depend on and have it fail on me and someone die
>because
>> of it.  Systems like these should cost a lot of money to be built very
>well.
>> The FCC would really be the last person I would be concerned about.
>it's the
>> wrath of the city when a mission critical system like this fails.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've heard a lot of stories from Motorola two-way guys how they could
>go
>> into meetings and cities would buy their two-way gear and pay the
>extra
>> price because no one wants to take chances with people's lives.  Help
>the
>> city find the grant money to purchase a system like Moto's. and your
>going
>> to be the hero big time.  Take it one step farther and do a Motomesh
>Quatro
>> deployment. have grant money pay for the gear. and use the 2.4GHz Wi-
>Fi
>> coverage you now have to sell service.  Since the gear is paid for
>your ROI
>> is in a much better situation than the average muni-wifi project.  Or
>take
>> it one step further and get the water department to use it for meter
>> reading, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> At the end of the day money isn't an issue really for something like
>this.
>> its just about getting the right people together and FINDING the money
>for
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> 3-dB Networks
>>
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>On
>> Behalf Of Jack Unger
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:37 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>
>>
>>
>> Good point Daniel. Anyone doing 4.9 GHz "homebrew" would likely lose
>their
>> business when the FCC came knocking along with the Police Department
>that
>> was sold the illegal system by the WISP.  OUCH!!
>>
>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>
>> I can only quote the MotoMesh Duo today... MotoMesh Solo though is
>probably
>> more along the lines of what you want... either way your not going to
>like
>> the price if your trying to do it on the cheap.  The sell to a city or
>> county though should work though with more expensive gear because they
>can
>> get grants, etc. for public safety.
>>
>> 4.9GHz to the car though is going to be hard to do without a Mesh
>system...
>> and Mesh is costly.  I'd hate to be the one to sell a homebrew 4.9GHz
>system
>> to a government agency and have it not perform as advertised.  You
>also need
>> to be careful... 4.9GHz is part 90 not part-15 so FCC compliance
>should be
>> high on your list.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>
>> Hmmm, can you price a system like this out?  I'll need per tower and
>per
>> node prices.
>>
>> Out here we'll probably be better off with a less expensive homebrew
>> system
>> due to long term costs though
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "3-dB Networks"   
>> To: "'WISPA General List'"  
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That's what the MotoMesh gear is for... the MEA architecture
>>
>>
>> (developed
>>
>>
>> for
>> the military to connector tanks with helicopters) allows the cop car
>>
>>
>> to be
>>
>>
>> traveling at 150MPH and for it to still work.  Plus to modems you
>>
>>
>> install
>>
>>
>> in
>> the cars can mesh with the ones in other cars... so if one car can
>>
>>
>> connect
>>
>>
>> to the network but another car 1/4 mile down the road can't... it can
>>
>>
>> mesh
>>
>>
>> through another car to work.
>>
>> I don't think a municipality/county is going to like deploying a
>>
>>
>> homebrew
>>
>>
>> solution for something like this... Moto already has the complete
>>
>>
>> turnkey
>>
>>
>> package available (not that any of it is cheap!)
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireles

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

[3-dB Networks]

The RadWin radio will do it in one 20MHz channel (one V-pol and one H-pol)..
Plus it's a full solution. no build it yourself.

 

But you can't beat the price of Mikrotik

 

Daniel White

3-dB Networks

http://www.3dbnetworks.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

 

The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean
spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a
couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that will
hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same
enclosure
(http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-5
8-R2)

2 x RB433AH
4 x SR5 cards
2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails

I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours to
build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real
challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would
think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem.

Travis
Microserv

Ryan Ghering wrote: 

ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED
40 to 50 meg full duplex.
and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I
get the bid for this project if
I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm
not sure I can make it happen
do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see
that microtik has a unit they say can do
60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have
experiance with them?
 
Ryan
 
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG  
 wrote:
 
  

Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more?
-RickG
 
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks  
 wrote:
 


An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly
  

cheaper...


PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it...
  

but


that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 
  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
 
The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for
a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to
find for this kind of bandwidth.
 
Travis
Microserv
 
Ryan Ghering wrote:


I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear
  

is


preferred as this is a low budget hop.
Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this
  

capacity?


Thanks
Ryan
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

[3-dB Networks]

Ryan,

The new RAD RW2000 will do that... hit me offlist for a quote

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
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>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:39 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
>ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only
>NEED
>40 to 50 meg full duplex.
>and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today
>that I
>get the bid for this project if
>I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit,
>I'm
>not sure I can make it happen
>do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I
>see
>that microtik has a unit they say can do
>60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have
>experiance with them?
>
>Ryan
>
>On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more?
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>>
>> > An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly
>> cheaper...
>> >
>> > PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do
>it...
>> but
>> > that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.
>> >
>> > Daniel White
>> > 3-dB Networks
>> > http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>> >
>> >
>> > >-Original Message-
>> > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > >Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM
>> > >To: WISPA General List
>> > >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>> > >
>> > >The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At
>$11,000 for
>> > >a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going
>to
>> > >find for this kind of bandwidth.
>> > >
>> > >Travis
>> > >Microserv
>> > >
>> > >Ryan Ghering wrote:
>> > >> I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed
>gear
>> > >is
>> > >> preferred as this is a low budget hop.
>> > >> Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has
>this
>> > >capacity?
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks
>> > >> Ryan
>> > >>
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Brent A Havens]

Took tommy with me to finish up harrisonmn fisheries.

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Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:08
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for 
the young


Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4" hole in it.  No need to drill.



George Rogato wrote:
> I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden,
> it shattered into about 10 pieces.
>
> That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate.
>
> Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones.
> Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in
> it, it doesn't crack or shatter.
> They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them ,
> Leviton, eagle, p&s, hubble etc.
>
> They cost no more.
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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

[RickG]

And they are useless when the water tank is painted. The extra paint
thickness causes the dimensions to change and the "brake" no longer slides
on the pipe.
-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Scottie Arnett  wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I am a little late on this reply, got backed up on list emailsanyways.
> http://www.farwestcorrosion.com/ccpcoatings/north01.htm   They are called
> Saf-T-Climb. That is the type  that are on the tanks we have equipment on.
>
> HTH,
> Scottie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark McElvy [mailto:mmce...@accubak.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:30 PM
> To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
>
>
> I have the pipe type on one of my water towers, where do you get and what
> do
> you call the device to connect to it?
>
> Mark
>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:31 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
>
> They use that type safety(pipe with notches) on most water tanks in my
> area.
>
> Scottie
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:01:50 -0700
>
> >No but you could fall down and get so tangled up the rescue would be
> >difficult.  I have climbed caged ladders that had a pipe up the center
> of
> >the ladder with small ratchet notches in it.  The arrester device was a
> pipe
> >looking thing that would slide up the safety pipe/rail.  It had a
> spring
> >loaded dog that would engage the notches if you fell.  I thought it was
> a
> >pretty good system.
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "3-dB Networks" 
> >To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:39 PM
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
> >
> >
> >> That's what the safety cage is for. if you fall basically you should
> only
> >> be
> >> leaning back on the cage.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You technically shouldn't be able to fall with a safety cage.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Daniel White
> >>
> >> 3-dB Networks
> >>
> >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:30 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What happens when you fall?
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> John Valenti wrote:
> >>
> >> Brian,
> >> Why would you want to add a safety cable to the cage?  I'm on several
> >> legs with the cages and they seem great. I usually just lean back to
> >> take a break while climbing.
> >>
> >> It seems like an unnecessary bother, and something else to get in the
> >> way while climbing the ladder.  Just curious what your thinking is,
> >> maybe I'm missing something. -John
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of
> >> the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one
> >> on the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either
> >> a belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness
> that
> >> is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] The good college try

[RickG]

I can identify with both of you. I do it all but it becomes overwhelming at
times!
-RickG

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM,  wrote:

> Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help,
> feel free to holler.
>
> I love the technical stuff.   Don't much care for the paperwork or installs
> in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the
> truck...
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Forbes Mercy" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] The good college try
>
>
> > The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost
> > my system admin in the last budget cut.  He helps from his new job but
> > the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most
> > technically inclined as I should be.  Obviously I have more knowledge
> > than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can
> > sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time
> > admin to hire people who can guide me.  My feeling is Marlon is pretty
> > much in the same boat.  While some in WISPA have thousands of customers
> > in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural.  Speaking only for
> > myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this
> > group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I
> > have interest in a topic.  We try not to look dumb when we ask for help
> > and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects,
> > paying for consulting or just a big thanks.  Some on here may think
> > non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I
> > personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe
> > I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done
> > it over 200 times.  Just show a little patience and if you don't want to
> > educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when
> > you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or
> > act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button.  Thanks
> > for what you do help, I appreciate it!
> >
> >
> >
> > Forbes
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
> >
> >
> >
> > Marlon,
> >
> > Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in
> > over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from
> > someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are
> > doing.
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network
> > is
> > build in a circle?
> > marlon
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Travis Johnson"  
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop.
> > Figure
> > $15,000 per link for everything.
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to
> > 20 miles.  Some
> > links may be less, but I'm not counting on that.
> >
> > I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal
> > internet traffic.
> >
> > I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a
> > ring.  I can load
> > share
> > across the ring as long as speeds never drop below
> > 100megs.  I'll want
> > things to be automatically self healing if there is a
> > loss of
> > connectivity
> > in any direction.
> >
> > What would you guys use/suggest?
> >
> > I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna
> > sizes) but
> > unlicensed
> > may be OK due to the failover capabilities.
> >
> > We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust
> > storms.
> >
> > What gear would you use?  How would you set this up?
> >
> > I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are
> > welcome.  Pall park
> > numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to
> > run high vs. low,
> > I'd
> > rather over estimate the costs.
> >
> > thanks,
> > marlon
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Scott Reed]

Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4" hole in it.  No need to drill.



George Rogato wrote:
> I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden,
> it shattered into about 10 pieces.
>
> That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate.
>
> Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones.
> Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in 
> it, it doesn't crack or shatter.
> They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , 
> Leviton, eagle, p&s, hubble etc.
>
> They cost no more.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[D. Ryan Spott]

You must be grandfathered from that law of gravity thing they just came 
up with!... must not affect you! :)

har har

ryan

NGL wrote:
> What wrong with you kids? I am 75 and still doing installs. Just have to be 
> careful. Same thing when  you 20.
> NGL
>
> --
> From: "Patrick Leary" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 AM
> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are 
> for the young
>
>   
>> Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being 44 now, I get it
>> to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping off a 1 story roof. Now
>> I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs... You know age is
>> catching up when you have your chiropractor in your mobile phone
>> "favorites" list!
>>
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> Aperto Networks
>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Joe Miller
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:10 AM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are
>> for the young
>>
>>
>> This should make for a good read, or a good laugh.
>>
>> This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still
>> goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing
>> was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that
>> I've done in the past.
>>
>> The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in
>> drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole
>> into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10
>> pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the
>> past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to
>> keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My
>> right hand is still paying the price for that one.
>>
>> The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due
>> to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before.
>> Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my
>> right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having
>> issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area
>> for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that
>> I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot
>> through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued,
>> but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his
>> ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free,
>> gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for
>> free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to
>> help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the
>> ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe.
>> And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this.
>>
>> Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in
>> everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones.
>> I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses
>> for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it
>> means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations
>> for my company, I've always had the "just get it done" attitude. There
>> is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't
>> mean that "I" have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to
>> learn how to delegate those jobs out.
>>
>> Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe
>> someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same
>> mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we
>> do them safely.
>>
>> Joe Miller
>> DSLbyAir, LLC
>> 228-238-2563
>> www.dslbyair.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Joe Miller]

Us kids are sore from falling,...lol


--- On Thu, 3/5/09, NGL  wrote:

> From: NGL 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are 
> for the young
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 10:48 AM
> What wrong with you kids? I am 75 and still doing installs.
> Just have to be 
> careful. Same thing when  you 20.
> NGL
> 
> --
> From: "Patrick Leary"
> 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 AM
> To: ; "WISPA General
> List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
> yourself,they are 
> for the young
> 
> > Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being
> 44 now, I get it
> > to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping
> off a 1 story roof. Now
> > I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs...
> You know age is
> > catching up when you have your chiropractor in your
> mobile phone
> > "favorites" list!
> >
> >
> > Patrick Leary
> > Aperto Networks
> > 813.426.4230 mobile
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Joe Miller
> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:10 AM
> > To: wireless@wispa.org
> > Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
> yourself,they are
> > for the young
> >
> >
> > This should make for a good read, or a good laugh.
> >
> > This week, my installer has been out of town. However,
> business still
> > goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he
> is away. Nothing
> > was different about these installs from the hundreds
> of installs that
> > I've done in the past.
> >
> > The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week
> resulted in
> > drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying
> to drill a hole
> > into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it
> shattered into about 10
> > pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never
> tried to do that in the
> > past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like
> that to back it up to
> > keep that from happening. It was getting late and I
> took a short cut. My
> > right hand is still paying the price for that one.
> >
> > The second install resulted in putting my foot through
> the ceiling due
> > to not have full use of my right hand from the install
> the day before.
> > Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both
> hands. Well, my
> > right hand, still in pain from the install the day
> before, was having
> > issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around
> in the attic area
> > for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to
> remove the tools that
> > I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists
> and put my foot
> > through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was
> going to come unglued,
> > but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned
> about me than his
> > ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00
> install for free,
> > gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost
> of $100.00) for
> > free as well. Along with a free months service of
> $49.95. This was to
> > help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock.
> The hole in the
> > ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe.
> > And of course I'm really sore this morning writing
> this.
> >
> > Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there
> is a time in
> > everyone's life when you have to leave the
> installs to the younger ones.
> > I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but
> after running cable in houses
> > for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care
> of it. Even if it
> > means putting off installs for new customers. As the
> VP of Operations
> > for my company, I've always had the "just get
> it done" attitude. There
> > is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and
> I have. It doesn't
> > mean that "I" have to do them. When that
> time comes, you just have to
> > learn how to delegate those jobs out.
> >
> > Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense,
> (it's ok). Maybe
> > someone here can learn from what I did this week and
> not make the same
> > mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well.
> And above all...we
> > do them safely.
> >
> > Joe Miller
> > DSLbyAir, LLC
> > 228-238-2563
> > www.dslbyair.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[NGL]

What wrong with you kids? I am 75 and still doing installs. Just have to be 
careful. Same thing when  you 20.
NGL

--
From: "Patrick Leary" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 AM
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are 
for the young

> Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being 44 now, I get it
> to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping off a 1 story roof. Now
> I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs... You know age is
> catching up when you have your chiropractor in your mobile phone
> "favorites" list!
>
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Joe Miller
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:10 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are
> for the young
>
>
> This should make for a good read, or a good laugh.
>
> This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still
> goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing
> was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that
> I've done in the past.
>
> The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in
> drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole
> into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10
> pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the
> past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to
> keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My
> right hand is still paying the price for that one.
>
> The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due
> to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before.
> Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my
> right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having
> issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area
> for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that
> I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot
> through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued,
> but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his
> ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free,
> gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for
> free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to
> help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the
> ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe.
> And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this.
>
> Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in
> everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones.
> I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses
> for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it
> means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations
> for my company, I've always had the "just get it done" attitude. There
> is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't
> mean that "I" have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to
> learn how to delegate those jobs out.
>
> Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe
> someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same
> mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we
> do them safely.
>
> Joe Miller
> DSLbyAir, LLC
> 228-238-2563
> www.dslbyair.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

[Brad Belton]

Sorryjust noticed the original post was in regards to LMR195 and not
LMR400.  RG8 may very well be a better cable than LMR195...never used it.
My guess is the LMR195 would still offer better shielding than RG8, but
possibly more loss.

Best,


Brad


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Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:39 AM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

RG8 is an inferior cable to LMR400.  RG8 has much less shielding and more
loss than LMR400.  I would never recommend RG8 in place of LMR400.

I've always preferred making my own LMR terminations.  We use the Times
"Clamp/Solder" type for LMR400 and "Clamp/Spring" type for LMR600 and
larger.

We were in a jam a few months ago and had to order in a few pre-made LMR400
jumpers from Titan Wireless.  They arrived in one day (same state shipping)
and I was very pleased to see Titan also used the Times "Clamp/Solder"
connector.

IMO, the Times "Clamp/Solder" connector is by far the best LMR400
termination and Titan Wireless keeps stocks them.

Best,


Brad


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Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers


I get mine from here - my favorite is their ultraflex RG8 type cable 
because it doesn't put as much pressure on the connectors and is easy to 
work with like smaller diameter cables from the past.  Cost a couple 
dollars more but is worth it.

www.rfdistributor.com

They also carry lots of commercial equipment (antennas/standoffs/tower 
sections/high performance dishes and omnis etc) that most people don't 
have...

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:02 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
> 
> for n male to n male, we build our own.
> 
> 
> Mark Nash wrote:
> > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior 
to that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from 
Hyperlink.  
> > 
> > Anyone else have a problem?  
> > 
> > Any recommendations on best source for them?  
> > 
> > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad it's 
a big frustrating problem.
> > 
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

[Brad Belton]

RG8 is an inferior cable to LMR400.  RG8 has much less shielding and more
loss than LMR400.  I would never recommend RG8 in place of LMR400.

I've always preferred making my own LMR terminations.  We use the Times
"Clamp/Solder" type for LMR400 and "Clamp/Spring" type for LMR600 and
larger.

We were in a jam a few months ago and had to order in a few pre-made LMR400
jumpers from Titan Wireless.  They arrived in one day (same state shipping)
and I was very pleased to see Titan also used the Times "Clamp/Solder"
connector.

IMO, the Times "Clamp/Solder" connector is by far the best LMR400
termination and Titan Wireless keeps stocks them.

Best,


Brad


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers


I get mine from here - my favorite is their ultraflex RG8 type cable 
because it doesn't put as much pressure on the connectors and is easy to 
work with like smaller diameter cables from the past.  Cost a couple 
dollars more but is worth it.

www.rfdistributor.com

They also carry lots of commercial equipment (antennas/standoffs/tower 
sections/high performance dishes and omnis etc) that most people don't 
have...

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:02 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
> 
> for n male to n male, we build our own.
> 
> 
> Mark Nash wrote:
> > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior 
to that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from 
Hyperlink.  
> > 
> > Anyone else have a problem?  
> > 
> > Any recommendations on best source for them?  
> > 
> > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad it's 
a big frustrating problem.
> > 
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

[Jeff Broadwick]

It doesn't.  You would use the Rebel in those locations.  The R1 is for the
lower traffic sites.

Jeff
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

I thought that one wouldn't have enough horse power to push the 200 to 300
megs aggregate that we expect to see.
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Jeff Broadwick" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul


> BTW, we can do 12/24 volt DC with the R1 that we were discussing.
>
> Jeff
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>
> I'll tell you what my perfect tower site router would be for this.  PC
> based, runs on 12vdc (so we can run everything from car batteries) and has
> gigE ethernet ports by the gross.  Then we can route or bridge as needed
> based on the requirements of the distribution radio that's plugged into 
> it.
>
> Lots of processor and memory power this way too!  Maybe based on a Dell
> server
>
> Am I dreaming?
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>
>
>> RB493 limits ports to 100 fdx, If he is going licensed, theradios might
>> be upgraded in the future to higher speeds...
>>
>> I would go RB1000
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:36 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>>
>> Mikrotik makes pretty good gear.  Depending on traffic, I'd put an
>> RB493AH in there.  Should be able to do anything you needed to do
>> without great concern for the weather.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:19 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>>
>>> Right.  I get that part.  But I've never used it out here so I don't
>>> know if it's a routing function or a bridging function like spanning
>>> tree.  I'm trying to figure out what hardware would be best deployed
>>> at the tower sites.
>>>
>>> Part of what I'm trying to do is get a grip on long term costs.  If I
>>> have to run sensitive routers vs. hardened switches it'll make a
>> difference.
>>> Adding heat and AC to the towers changes the annual costs quite a bit.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>>>
>>>
 OSPF is how you manage load sharing and load balancing.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:36 AM
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

> Certainly Jack.  I don't know anyone that's built something like
> this already though.
>
> And, it's really not that far off from what we already do.  It's
> just bigger and faster.
>
> I've not used the hardware needed for this system so I'm mostly
> interested in what people would install.  I know there are a few
> people here that have very high speed backbone systems in place.
>
> The one part that's got me stumped so far is what to do to create a
> load sharing load balancing mechanism at the main towers.  Should
> that be done via high end switch or router?
>
> If you know someone that would be good help in putting this idea
> together please feel free to have them contact me.  Please note,
> that nothing will be able to happen at a nut and bolt specific level
>>
> until construction starts.  The program is customer and land
> acquisition specific, not build it THIS way specific.  Did I say
> that at all clearly?  Does it make sense?
> That is part of why I've not even looked for help yet, there are far
>>
> more questions than plans in place.  Things are still at a
> conceptual stage, but I'm trying to drill down a bit better.
>
> Thanks

Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I'm just glad that only your foot went through the ceiling!

As an FYI, if we do any damage to a house we send out the repair people. 
The customer still gets billed for our install, but we take care of fixing 
the damage that was done.  My best one like this was when I removed a sat. 
dish and mounting arm.  I put up my arm but the screw holes were off by half 
an inch or so.  When I ran my 1 1/2" lag screw into the side of the house it 
hit an electrical run.  No the run shouldn't have been that close to the 
siding, but there it was  sigh

$750 or so later all was good.  The electrician had to pull the siding off 
the house, go into the attic where he installed a new box that fed a new 
wire all the way down to the outlet in the wall.  ug
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Miller" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:09 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for 
the young


>
> This should make for a good read, or a good laugh.
>
> This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes 
> on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was 
> different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've 
> done in the past.
>
> The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling 
> a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank 
> wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the 
> hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always 
> used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from 
> happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is 
> still paying the price for that one.
>
> The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to 
> not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. 
> Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right 
> hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues 
> with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the 
> third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up 
> there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the 
> sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was 
> pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In 
> order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the 
> new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. 
> Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the 
> cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size 
> of my size 13 shoe.
> And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this.
>
> Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in 
> everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. 
> I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses 
> for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it 
> means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for 
> my company, I've always had the "just get it done" attitude. There is 
> nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean 
> that "I" have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how 
> to delegate those jobs out.
>
> Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone 
> here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. 
> The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them 
> safely.
>
> Joe Miller
> DSLbyAir, LLC
> 228-238-2563
> www.dslbyair.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Patrick Leary]

Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being 44 now, I get it
to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping off a 1 story roof. Now
I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs... You know age is
catching up when you have your chiropractor in your mobile phone
"favorites" list! 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Miller
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:10 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are
for the young


This should make for a good read, or a good laugh.

This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still
goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing
was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that
I've done in the past. 

The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in
drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole
into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10
pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the
past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to
keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My
right hand is still paying the price for that one.

The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due
to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before.
Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my
right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having
issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area
for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that
I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot
through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued,
but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his
ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free,
gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for
free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to
help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the
ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe.
 And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this.

Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in
everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones.
I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses
for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it
means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations
for my company, I've always had the "just get it done" attitude. There
is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't
mean that "I" have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to
learn how to delegate those jobs out.

Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe
someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same
mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we
do them safely.

Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
228-238-2563
www.dslbyair.com


  




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Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

[Scott Carullo]

I get mine from here - my favorite is their ultraflex RG8 type cable 
because it doesn't put as much pressure on the connectors and is easy to 
work with like smaller diameter cables from the past.  Cost a couple 
dollars more but is worth it.

www.rfdistributor.com

They also carry lots of commercial equipment (antennas/standoffs/tower 
sections/high performance dishes and omnis etc) that most people don't 
have...

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:02 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
> 
> for n male to n male, we build our own.
> 
> 
> Mark Nash wrote:
> > We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior 
to that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from 
Hyperlink.  
> > 
> > Anyone else have a problem?  
> > 
> > Any recommendations on best source for them?  
> > 
> > We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad it's 
a big frustrating problem.
> > 
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > 
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[George Rogato]

I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden,
it shattered into about 10 pieces.

That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate.

Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones.
Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in 
it, it doesn't crack or shatter.
They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , 
Leviton, eagle, p&s, hubble etc.

They cost no more.





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Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers

[George Rogato]

for n male to n male, we build our own.


Mark Nash wrote:
> We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to 
> that we don't recall a problem.  They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from 
> Hyperlink.  
> 
> Anyone else have a problem?  
> 
> Any recommendations on best source for them?  
> 
> We normally only use them on backhauls & APs, so when they go bad it's a big 
> frustrating problem.
> 
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
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Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Yes, that's the plan.  More of a mesh backhaul vs. hub and spoke or ring. 
We want a web with multiple paths from one side of the project to the other.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "John Thomas" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul


> Are any of the towers setup such that you could cross the circle?
>
> In other words, if you had towers 1 to 20 in a ring, have a secondary
> link between towers 4 and 16 for instance.
>
> This would require routing, and preferably dynamic routing, but then you
> would have some redundancy.
>
> John
>
>
>
> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> I don't know if I'll be able to put some many antennas on the towers.
>>
>> How close together would I need the towers to prevent the rain fade 
>> outage
>> at 18 gig?
>>
>> Aren't there any 5.8 systems that will do this reliably in the first 
>> place?
>> I shouldn't need 5.x for distribution so I could use it all for backhaul.
>> I'll have 2.4, 3.65, 4.9 and hopefully, someday, TVBD for the consumers.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Brian Webster" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>>
>>
>>
>>> The 5.8 GHz backup links will help you deal with outages due to
>>> environmental conditions such as rain fade. That has to be factored in 
>>> for
>>> links when you operate above 10 GHz. Even if you run a loop 
>>> configuration
>>> you could have a fade condition that could block out a whole tower site
>>> severing your links to that location in both directions of your loop.
>>> Another path at a lower frequency with spatial diversity from your 
>>> primary
>>> link (different mounting heights) would at least keep that site up 
>>> though
>>> maybe not at full speed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>> Brian Webster
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:26 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network 
>>> is
>>> build in a circle?
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Travis Johnson" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure
 $15,000 per link for everything.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. 
> Some
> links may be less, but I'm not counting on that.
>
> I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet
> traffic.
>
> I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring.  I can load
> share
> across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs.  I'll want
> things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of
> connectivity
> in any direction.
>
> What would you guys use/suggest?
>
> I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but
> unlicensed
> may be OK due to the failover capabilities.
>
> We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms.
>
> What gear would you use?  How would you set this up?
>
> I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome.  Pall 
> park
> numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. 
> low,
> I'd
> rather over estimate the costs.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
>
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[WISPA] FW: AGENDA FOR MARCH 10

[Denise Hamilton]

Dear Tom

I have just joined the legislative list so apologies if this has already
been sent out but would you please post the existing position paper WISPA
already sent to the legislators?

Thank you.  

~
Denise Hamilton
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813-232-4887 x 101
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10

Marlon,

I feel for the point, that you are trying to make. Nobody "wants" to sit
idle.
But the reality is that we don;t control the shots, nor do we authorize the
appointments. We can just request them.

Secondly, If we had 5-10 people sitting around a desk in one place, for a
day, I agree we'd effectively and quickly get alot written as a "group".
But we do not have the luxur to work in that environment, and still include
our diverse national membership's interests.
That challenges group writting. But we do have what I feel is a good first
step with a group position, and its what we submitted to legislators last
month, and included consensus from all members of the committee.

I can assure you two things

1. Our face-to-face meeting requests are submitted, and we should get our
meeting request granted shortly after the public meeting on the 10th.

2. WISPA legislative committee and/or council will submit questions to
agencies prior to the public meeting on the 10th, if there are questions to
be asked.

Policy makers will not accept being dictated to, how to run their programs.
Thats already been discussed here as a committee. The ideal situation is to
be "asked" for our opinion.
That happened by GAO :-)  The reality is that we've requested our meeting,
and we'll get our chance to suggest recommendation, soon.

Steve Smith hit on a core point, that as individuals, we "DO" want to use
our "personal" contacts and avenues to get input to the policy makers. It
opimizes the chance that we'll get input heard. What we also want, are clear
messages that support each other, instead of contradict each other.

Committee,

I have a plan. The plan is we follow the proceedure asked by policy
makers. We show up for the group public meeting the 10th and learn. We
should have 4 WISPA members going, that I know of. Ready to ask question or
make statements, IF the policy makers allows time for it.  And immediately
after I will work with Steve Coran, to formulate our strategy for moving
forward, and discuss the core items that we'll want to focus on in our new
position papers, and share that proposed agenda with committee members, for
their input and consensus. That is what I believe is required to effectively
make headway with policy makers.

Marlon, I agree that that plan, leaves members somewhat idle, in the week
interim.  There is no reason for you or anyone to sit idle, that wants to
contribute time today.
I have the following suggestions for ANYONE that wants to get to work
today.

1) Take WISPA's existing position paper sent to legislators, and expand on
it.  Write down anything new that you feel should be added to that paper,
that is not included, and needs to.  (I already have a few items in mind,
based on committee's past input, but do not have it on paper).

2) Make an outline of what you feel are topics/possitions that we should
submit to RUS versus NTIA. We will likely have different goals for each
target Grantor.

3) Submit any questions that you may have to ask policy makers, based on
what we currently know, and submit them to Steve Coran for review. (I
recommend CCing the legislative list, when sending to Steve). This will
prevent duplications, and allow us to include all questions, that are not in
conflict, with WISPA's submitted questions.  However, we need questions, if
we are going to submit them.

Policy makers asked for "questions" in advance.  If you have questions, I
highly recommend that you write them ASAP, so there is time for Steve to
review and send to NTIA/RUS prior to the public meeting. It will be
pointless to send them, if they are not asked soon.  I'd recommend that we
should send these questions no later than Friday, to give policy makers time
to review before public meeting. And I'd recommend they get sent to Steve
today and tommorrow, to give him chance to review them.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: "Steve Smith" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AGENDA FOR MARCH 10


>I suspect that Tom is correct in that very few questions will get to be
> asked at the March 10 meeting.  Looking at the agenda it will be mostly
> speeches by representatives from the various agencies.
>
> Since they have the money, I also suspect that they will be the ones
> telling
> us how it works rather than asking us for suggestions.  I think w

[WISPA] Cisco 1710 and 3600 routers

[Blake Bowers]

I have a local non-profit that has a PILE of 1710 and 1750 routers
that they want to sell.  A couple of 3600 series routers, and 
E to M cards.


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Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

[Mike Hammett]

It will only do 50 FDX, not 100 FDX.


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From: "Adam Greene" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:35 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

> You might look into the Radwin RW-2000 ... speeds and price may be in the 
> range ... 5.x GHz
>
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Travis Johnson
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:12 AM
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
>
>  The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean 
> spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with 
> a couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that 
> will hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the 
> same enclosure 
> (http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-58-R2)
>
>  2 x RB433AH
>  4 x SR5 cards
>  2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails
>
>  I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours 
> to build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real 
> challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would 
> think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem.
>
>  Travis
>  Microserv
>
>  Ryan Ghering wrote:
> ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED
> 40 to 50 meg full duplex.
> and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that 
> I
> get the bid for this project if
> I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, 
> I'm
> not sure I can make it happen
> do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see
> that microtik has a unit they say can do
> 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have
> experiance with them?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>  Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more?
> -RickG
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>
>An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly
>  cheaper...
>PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it...
>  but
>that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
> The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for
> a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to
> find for this kind of bandwidth.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Ryan Ghering wrote:
>I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed 
> gear
>  is
>preferred as this is a low budget hop.
> Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this
>  capacity?
>Thanks
> Ryan
>
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Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

[Blake Bowers]

Depends on what agency in the county want the
grants, and what state.

There is SCADS of money for Fire Departments and
4.9 gear.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9


> Got it.
>
> Do you know where to go after those grants that the county can get?
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>
>
>>I can only quote the MotoMesh Duo today... MotoMesh Solo though is 
>>probably
>> more along the lines of what you want... either way your not going to 
>> like
>> the price if your trying to do it on the cheap.  The sell to a city or
>> county though should work though with more expensive gear because they 
>> can
>> get grants, etc. for public safety.
>>
>> 4.9GHz to the car though is going to be hard to do without a Mesh
>> system...
>> and Mesh is costly.  I'd hate to be the one to sell a homebrew 4.9GHz
>> system
>> to a government agency and have it not perform as advertised.  You also
>> need
>> to be careful... 4.9GHz is part 90 not part-15 so FCC compliance should 
>> be
>> high on your list.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:28 PM
>>>To: WISPA General List
>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>>
>>>Hmmm, can you price a system like this out?  I'll need per tower and per
>>>node prices.
>>>
>>>Out here we'll probably be better off with a less expensive homebrew
>>>system
>>>due to long term costs though
>>>
>>>marlon
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "3-dB Networks" 
>>>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:47 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>>
>>>
 That's what the MotoMesh gear is for... the MEA architecture
>>>(developed
 for
 the military to connector tanks with helicopters) allows the cop car
>>>to be
 traveling at 150MPH and for it to still work.  Plus to modems you
>>>install
 in
 the cars can mesh with the ones in other cars... so if one car can
>>>connect
 to the network but another car 1/4 mile down the road can't... it can
>>>mesh
 through another car to work.

 I don't think a municipality/county is going to like deploying a
>>>homebrew
 solution for something like this... Moto already has the complete
>>>turnkey
 package available (not that any of it is cheap!)

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>>On
>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:32 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>
>Got it.  Thanks!
>
>Any hardware suggestions to deal with the ssid/vlan or the mobile ip?
>
>The only reason mobility is important to me is that I envision a
>>>pursuit
>or
>code 3 call.  The dispatcher could then take control of the car's
>>>laptop
>and
>push the call info, map/gps data etc. to the car.  They could also use
>an ip
>enabled dash cam to keep an eye on what's happening at the call.  This
>would
>allow much faster response times if something were to happen to the
>officer
>on scene.
>
>laters,
>marlon
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Jerry Richardson" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:02 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>
>
>> Might look at Solectek, they have both 3.65 and 4.9 multipoint
>> solutions. However, why not wait to see what happens with TVWS.
>>>Seems
>> that band would be outstanding for mobile use.
>>
>> Since it's your network, you could assign each agency it's own
>SSID/VLAN
>> which route across your network to the appropriate agency's servers.
>> This way the IP's are not changing as they move from tower to tower
>>>-
>> the only delay would be when the subscriber switches towers.
>>
>> Alternately MobileIP allows seamless roaming across multiple
>>>networks.
>>
>>
>> __
>> Jerry Richardson
>> airCloud Communications
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:35 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>
>> OK, last one.
>>
>> What would you g

Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Got it.

Do you know where to go after those grants that the county can get?

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9


>I can only quote the MotoMesh Duo today... MotoMesh Solo though is probably
> more along the lines of what you want... either way your not going to like
> the price if your trying to do it on the cheap.  The sell to a city or
> county though should work though with more expensive gear because they can
> get grants, etc. for public safety.
>
> 4.9GHz to the car though is going to be hard to do without a Mesh 
> system...
> and Mesh is costly.  I'd hate to be the one to sell a homebrew 4.9GHz 
> system
> to a government agency and have it not perform as advertised.  You also 
> need
> to be careful... 4.9GHz is part 90 not part-15 so FCC compliance should be
> high on your list.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:28 PM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>
>>Hmmm, can you price a system like this out?  I'll need per tower and per
>>node prices.
>>
>>Out here we'll probably be better off with a less expensive homebrew
>>system
>>due to long term costs though
>>
>>marlon
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "3-dB Networks" 
>>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:47 AM
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>
>>
>>> That's what the MotoMesh gear is for... the MEA architecture
>>(developed
>>> for
>>> the military to connector tanks with helicopters) allows the cop car
>>to be
>>> traveling at 150MPH and for it to still work.  Plus to modems you
>>install
>>> in
>>> the cars can mesh with the ones in other cars... so if one car can
>>connect
>>> to the network but another car 1/4 mile down the road can't... it can
>>mesh
>>> through another car to work.
>>>
>>> I don't think a municipality/county is going to like deploying a
>>homebrew
>>> solution for something like this... Moto already has the complete
>>turnkey
>>> package available (not that any of it is cheap!)
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

Got it.  Thanks!

Any hardware suggestions to deal with the ssid/vlan or the mobile ip?

The only reason mobility is important to me is that I envision a
>>pursuit
or
code 3 call.  The dispatcher could then take control of the car's
>>laptop
and
push the call info, map/gps data etc. to the car.  They could also use
an ip
enabled dash cam to keep an eye on what's happening at the call.  This
would
allow much faster response times if something were to happen to the
officer
on scene.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9


> Might look at Solectek, they have both 3.65 and 4.9 multipoint
> solutions. However, why not wait to see what happens with TVWS.
>>Seems
> that band would be outstanding for mobile use.
>
> Since it's your network, you could assign each agency it's own
SSID/VLAN
> which route across your network to the appropriate agency's servers.
> This way the IP's are not changing as they move from tower to tower
>>-
> the only delay would be when the subscriber switches towers.
>
> Alternately MobileIP allows seamless roaming across multiple
>>networks.
>
>
> __
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:35 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>
> OK, last one.
>
> What would you guys use for 3650  gear.  I need to deliver very high
> speeds to lots of users with near 100% reliability.  Money matters,
but
> it's not the driving force here.
>
> Also, I'm looking for a mobile 4.9 system.  We'll have to roam
>>across
> multiple towers that have multiple ip ranges on them.  The idea is
>>not
> only to keep voip calls running while this happens, but also to
>>always
> be able to remotely access the mobile pc's.  Is there a system that
will
> facilitate this idea (talking mobile broadband access across my 6000
>

Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I thought that one wouldn't have enough horse power to push the 200 to 300 
megs aggregate that we expect to see.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Broadwick" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul


> BTW, we can do 12/24 volt DC with the R1 that we were discussing.
>
> Jeff
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>
> I'll tell you what my perfect tower site router would be for this.  PC
> based, runs on 12vdc (so we can run everything from car batteries) and has
> gigE ethernet ports by the gross.  Then we can route or bridge as needed
> based on the requirements of the distribution radio that's plugged into 
> it.
>
> Lots of processor and memory power this way too!  Maybe based on a Dell
> server
>
> Am I dreaming?
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>
>
>> RB493 limits ports to 100 fdx, If he is going licensed, theradios might
>> be upgraded in the future to higher speeds...
>>
>> I would go RB1000
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:36 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>>
>> Mikrotik makes pretty good gear.  Depending on traffic, I'd put an
>> RB493AH in there.  Should be able to do anything you needed to do
>> without great concern for the weather.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:19 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>>
>>> Right.  I get that part.  But I've never used it out here so I don't
>>> know if it's a routing function or a bridging function like spanning
>>> tree.  I'm trying to figure out what hardware would be best deployed
>>> at the tower sites.
>>>
>>> Part of what I'm trying to do is get a grip on long term costs.  If I
>>> have to run sensitive routers vs. hardened switches it'll make a
>> difference.
>>> Adding heat and AC to the towers changes the annual costs quite a bit.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>>>
>>>
 OSPF is how you manage load sharing and load balancing.


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 From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:36 AM
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul

> Certainly Jack.  I don't know anyone that's built something like
> this already though.
>
> And, it's really not that far off from what we already do.  It's
> just bigger and faster.
>
> I've not used the hardware needed for this system so I'm mostly
> interested in what people would install.  I know there are a few
> people here that have very high speed backbone systems in place.
>
> The one part that's got me stumped so far is what to do to create a
> load sharing load balancing mechanism at the main towers.  Should
> that be done via high end switch or router?
>
> If you know someone that would be good help in putting this idea
> together please feel free to have them contact me.  Please note,
> that nothing will be able to happen at a nut and bolt specific level
>>
> until construction starts.  The program is customer and land
> acquisition specific, not build it THIS way specific.  Did I say
> that at all clearly?  Does it make sense?
> That is part of why I've not even looked for help yet, there are far
>>
> more questions than plans in place.  Things are still at a
> conceptual stage, but I'm trying to drill down a bit better.
>
> Thanks!
> marlon
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Jack Unger
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:06 PM
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul
>
>
>  Marlon,
>
>  Trying to design a complex system like this via a listserve
>> "committee"
> is more than a little 

Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

[Gino Villarini]

AN80 would peak at about 70 mbps hdx..?? Have you seen more out of it? 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John McDowell
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

I'd use redline an80

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Adam Greene 
wrote:

> You might look into the Radwin RW-2000 ... speeds and price may be in 
> the range ... 5.x GHz
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Travis Johnson
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:12 AM
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
>
>  The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean

> spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH 
> with a couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated 
> antenna that will hold all of this, and provide vertical and 
> horizontal antennas in the same enclosure (
> http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-1
> 9DP-58-R2
> )
>
>  2 x RB433AH
>  4 x SR5 cards
>  2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails
>
>  I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple 
> hours to build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The 
> only real challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. 
> However, I would think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz
bands without a problem.
>
>  Travis
>  Microserv
>
>  Ryan Ghering wrote:
> ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only 
> NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex.
> and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today 
> that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. 
> So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it 
> happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these 
> specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. 
> but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with

> them?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>  Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more?
> -RickG
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>
>An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly
>  cheaper...
>PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do
it...
>  but
>that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
> The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 
> for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going 
> to find for this kind of bandwidth.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Ryan Ghering wrote:
>I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. 
> Unlicensed gear
>  is
>preferred as this is a low budget hop.
> Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this
>  capacity?
>Thanks
> Ryan
>
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Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

[John McDowell]

I'd use redline an80

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Adam Greene  wrote:

> You might look into the Radwin RW-2000 ... speeds and price may be in the
> range ... 5.x GHz
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Travis Johnson
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:12 AM
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
>
>  The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean
> spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a
> couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that will
> hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same
> enclosure (
> http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-58-R2
> )
>
>  2 x RB433AH
>  4 x SR5 cards
>  2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails
>
>  I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours
> to build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real
> challenge will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would
> think that could be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem.
>
>  Travis
>  Microserv
>
>  Ryan Ghering wrote:
> ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED
> 40 to 50 meg full duplex.
> and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I
> get the bid for this project if
> I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm
> not sure I can make it happen
> do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see
> that microtik has a unit they say can do
> 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have
> experiance with them?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>  Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more?
> -RickG
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>
>An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly
>  cheaper...
>PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it...
>  but
>that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
>
> The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for
> a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to
> find for this kind of bandwidth.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Ryan Ghering wrote:
>I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed
> gear
>  is
>preferred as this is a low budget hop.
> Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this
>  capacity?
>Thanks
> Ryan
>
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Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

[Adam Greene]

You might look into the Radwin RW-2000 ... speeds and price may be in the range 
... 5.x GHz 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed


  The Mikrotik solution can be done... but you will need a lot of clean 
spectrum to make it happen. At only a mile, you could use an RB433AH with a 
couple SR5 cards on each side. There is even an integrated antenna that will 
hold all of this, and provide vertical and horizontal antennas in the same 
enclosure 
(http://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-58-R2)

  2 x RB433AH
  4 x SR5 cards
  2 x dual pol antenna enclosures with pigtails

  I would estimate total cost of parts to be less than $800. A couple hours to 
build, test and configure and you should be good to go. The only real challenge 
will be finding two open 40mhz wide channels. However, I would think that could 
be done in the 5.3ghz and 5.4ghz bands without a problem.

  Travis
  Microserv

  Ryan Ghering wrote: 
ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED
40 to 50 meg full duplex.
and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I
get the bid for this project if
I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm
not sure I can make it happen
do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see
that microtik has a unit they say can do
60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have
experiance with them?

Ryan

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG  wrote:

  Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more?
-RickG

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:

An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly
  cheaper...
PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it...
  but
that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


  -Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed

The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for
a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to
find for this kind of bandwidth.

Travis
Microserv

Ryan Ghering wrote:
I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear
  is
preferred as this is a low budget hop.
Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this
  capacity?
Thanks
Ryan


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[WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

[Joe Miller]

This should make for a good read, or a good laugh.

This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. 
I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different 
about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. 

The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a 
small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall 
plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was 
I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or 
something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting 
late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that 
one.

The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not 
have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around 
in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain 
from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, 
while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 
cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the 
ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner 
was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more 
concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the 
$249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter 
(cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. 
This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the 
ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe.
 And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this.

Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's 
life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying 
I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it 
is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs 
for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the 
"just get it done" attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I 
cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that "I" have to do them. When that time 
comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out.

Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here 
can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main 
thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely.

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Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

[Mike Hammett]

If it's anything like Part-15 vs. Part-90 for the XR3 and 3650, then there's 
actually LESS hoops to go through to use it vs. Part-15.

I don't know the details of each of those bands, but it sounds like any 
statement saying you can't use homebrew is FUD.  The FCC permits use of the 
XR3 in 3650, why wouldn't the XR4 work in 4.9.


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From: "3-dB Networks" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:26 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

> I can only quote the MotoMesh Duo today... MotoMesh Solo though is 
> probably
> more along the lines of what you want... either way your not going to like
> the price if your trying to do it on the cheap.  The sell to a city or
> county though should work though with more expensive gear because they can
> get grants, etc. for public safety.
>
> 4.9GHz to the car though is going to be hard to do without a Mesh 
> system...
> and Mesh is costly.  I'd hate to be the one to sell a homebrew 4.9GHz 
> system
> to a government agency and have it not perform as advertised.  You also 
> need
> to be careful... 4.9GHz is part 90 not part-15 so FCC compliance should be
> high on your list.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:28 PM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>
>>Hmmm, can you price a system like this out?  I'll need per tower and per
>>node prices.
>>
>>Out here we'll probably be better off with a less expensive homebrew
>>system
>>due to long term costs though
>>
>>marlon
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "3-dB Networks" 
>>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:47 AM
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>>
>>
>>> That's what the MotoMesh gear is for... the MEA architecture
>>(developed
>>> for
>>> the military to connector tanks with helicopters) allows the cop car
>>to be
>>> traveling at 150MPH and for it to still work.  Plus to modems you
>>install
>>> in
>>> the cars can mesh with the ones in other cars... so if one car can
>>connect
>>> to the network but another car 1/4 mile down the road can't... it can
>>mesh
>>> through another car to work.
>>>
>>> I don't think a municipality/county is going to like deploying a
>>homebrew
>>> solution for something like this... Moto already has the complete
>>turnkey
>>> package available (not that any of it is cheap!)
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9

Got it.  Thanks!

Any hardware suggestions to deal with the ssid/vlan or the mobile ip?

The only reason mobility is important to me is that I envision a
>>pursuit
or
code 3 call.  The dispatcher could then take control of the car's
>>laptop
and
push the call info, map/gps data etc. to the car.  They could also use
an ip
enabled dash cam to keep an eye on what's happening at the call.  This
would
allow much faster response times if something were to happen to the
officer
on scene.

laters,
marlon

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From: "Jerry Richardson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9


> Might look at Solectek, they have both 3.65 and 4.9 multipoint
> solutions. However, why not wait to see what happens with TVWS.
>>Seems
> that band would be outstanding for mobile use.
>
> Since it's your network, you could assign each agency it's own
SSID/VLAN
> which route across your network to the appropriate agency's servers.
> This way the IP's are not changing as they move from tower to tower
>>-
> the only delay would be when the subscriber switches towers.
>
> Alternately MobileIP allows seamless roaming across multiple
>>networks.
>
>
> __
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:35 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] 3650 and 4.9
>
> OK, last one.
>
> What would you guys use for 3650  gear.  I need to deliver very high
> speeds to lots of users with near 100% reliability.  Money matters,
but
> it's not the driving force here.
>
> Also, I'm looking for a mobile 4.9 system.  We'll ha