Re: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency

2010-03-17 Thread Robert West
And don't forget you can't use security on the unit other than assigning MAC ID in WDS mode on the UBNT units. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:53 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency

2010-03-17 Thread Edmundas Bajorinas
Correction: You can't use any other security than WEP, if configuring AP-WDS - AP-WDS connection. But if you are configuring AP-WDS - STA-WDS, then all security options will work just fine. -Edmundas Robert West wrote: And don't forget you can't use security on the unit other than assigning

Re: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency

2010-03-17 Thread Edmundas Bajorinas
Jerry, I do believe, that problem with ARP entries was solved in AirOS v5.1.2. Have you tired it? -Edmundas Jerry Richardson wrote: AP WDS -- station WDS Heads up, there may be an issue with the # of ARP entries the radios can take. We have a pair of Bullets as a temporary BH and it

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant... to take you from Ithaca, Syracuse, Binghamton, or Rochester to 60 Hudson St. or 111 8th Ave., New York. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck

Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

2010-03-17 Thread Scottie Arnett
But THEY are going to get one, and I doubt you or I will see that change during our lifetime. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:42:57 -0500 On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 13:29 -0600, Scottie Arnett

Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-17 Thread ccrum
They are Leviton and they work fine for our applications, but I'm looking forward to not having to have the pigtails and being able to plug and unplug directly. Cameron Cool. Those look like Home Depot ethernet jacks you're using to attach to the pigtails. How are they working out for you?

[WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link

2010-03-17 Thread Kosinet Wireless
I'm looking for ideas / recommendations. I've got a Client with 2 buildings about 600 feet apart. Currently using Cat5 locked at 10Mbps - It's been working ok, but we need more speed. Fiber is probably the best bang for the buck, but I was wondering if there was anything wireless out there that

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link

2010-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Why not two 5Ghz radios? Ubnt or MT would be 500 and prove 20 megs I'd bet. More if you MIMO or use 40Mhz channels. On 3/17/10, Kosinet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: I'm looking for ideas / recommendations. I've got a Client with 2 buildings about 600 feet apart. Currently using Cat5

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link

2010-03-17 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Nano bridges, rockets. Why not fire up VDSL2+ modems back to back on the existing copper. about $500 and 100mbit. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Kosinet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: I'm looking for ideas / recommendations. I've got a Client with 2 buildings about 600 feet apart.

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread MDK
Sometimes being away from the city means you're closer to the place it's produced, ergo, not more expensive. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:07 AM

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread Chuck Bartosch
If I'm being charged $7000/month just to get to Syracuse by this new build out, I can't imagine what they'd charge to go to NYC. Chuck On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: That is the purpose of a middle mile BTOP grant... to take you from Ithaca, Syracuse, Binghamton, or

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link

2010-03-17 Thread Jerry Richardson
Wireless is nice but since there is already a Cat5 in place I would use a pair of Ethernet extenders. 396.00 for 100M FDX: http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NV-600EKIT 600 feet is well within the range for full modulation. Jerry -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency

2010-03-17 Thread Jerry Richardson
These were not airMax. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Edmundas Bajorinas Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT WDS Bridge mode for transparency Jerry, I do

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Apparently your area's applicant is a jerk. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link

2010-03-17 Thread Bret Clark
Jerry Richardson wrote: Wireless is nice but since there is already a Cat5 in place I would use a pair of Ethernet extenders. 396.00 for 100M FDX: http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NV-600EKIT 600 feet is well within the range for full modulation. Jerry Liking that solution

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link

2010-03-17 Thread Dennis Burgess
yep, or if there is a cat5, use it to pull your fiber! Media converters are CHEAP! 10/100s are under 70 bucks, and GigEs are under 200. NEver have an issue again. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link

2010-03-17 Thread Kosinet Wireless
That might just do the job. I'll check i out. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link Wireless is nice but since there

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link

2010-03-17 Thread Jerry Richardson
We use this all the time in MTU office buildings: http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NVF-800S. Not one failure in 4 years. We use the 8 port version, but they also have a 24 port version. A fully loaded switch with modems is about 250/room installed (assuming you get the quantity

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread MDK
My bandwidth provider is an example of someone who decided to become that provider neutral middle mile. Not the only game in town, but he's definitely made a huge difference in the ability of a lot of smaller ISP's to become competitive, and he's making decent money, to boot. In my area,

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link

2010-03-17 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Another possible source for Ethernet Extenders http://www.ethernetextender.com/ethernet-extension-products/ethernet-extension-kits.php Regards Faisal. On 3/17/2010 11:51 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Wireless is nice but since there is already a Cat5 in place I would use a pair of

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link

2010-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
WOW! *Quad 10/100Mbps LAN ports on each end and engineered to handle extreme temperatures -49°F to 168°F (-45°to 76°C) Half expected to see dishwasher safe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not

Re: [WISPA] NPR Story on FCC Broadband Plan and Internet AccessinTrinity County California

2010-03-17 Thread MDK
I'm a provider for a small rural school, where the computer lab has about 25 machines in it. I provide them 5 meg, and have been thinking about turning it up a little, because during certain times in their computer classes, they seriously swamp that 5 megs, and they don't do p2p or download

Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements

2010-03-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
On top of that, as I recall the story when it first came out, they thumbed their noses at everyone that told them to knock it off. Basically, if this is the same company, they were jerks to everyone and deserved to get whacked pretty hard. marlon - Original Message - From: Jack

Re: [WISPA] Channel Recommendation Gel Filled Ethernet

2010-03-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
What do you get in vertical polarity? marlon - Original Message - From: Israel Lopez-LISTS ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] Channel Recommendation Gel Filled Ethernet Hey Guys, Trying

Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

2010-03-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Finally someone in the major press willing to call a spade a spade. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ REVIEW OUTLOOK MARCH 15, 2010

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
EXACTLY! Why would new NTIA backhaul be cheaper? People always charge what the market will bare, build cost has nothing to do with it, when there is no competitions to force better pricing. Its a shame NTIA programs were designed to fund monopoly bandwidth build-out into new communities. The

Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

2010-03-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Good point, Butch. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Link

2010-03-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Bridgewave LTE at $7500 is a good bang for the buck to get acrross the street, and then some, as long as 100mbps is enough. But fiber is still cheaper. Terabeam will get you 1GB for under $10k, to get across the street, but it only supports fiber cabling to it. So you migh spend half the cost

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Mike, Last month, you mentioned that a ARRA project was approved in your neighborhood, and that you will benefit from it. That was great news to hear. I would be interested in hearing exactly how you will benefit. What pricing they'll be offering, etc. If the project will be a success to help

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Hopefully I don't step on anyone's toes posting this on a public list. I'm assuming that since it was filed with the feds, it'd be public through FoIA or some other request. Any lateral construction done at cost. $300/month for an enterprise grade 100 meg PtP, $600/month for GigE PtP,

[WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?

2010-03-17 Thread MDK
Does anyone here sell trendnet at a good price? They have some green low power consumption switches - I need some low power use switches for my network - and I'd rather offer you a few bucks than Newegg... TrendNet TE100-S80g 8 port switch is 2.5 watts power use max.I'm currently sucking

Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?

2010-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
What kind of switch needs 20 watts?! On 3/17/10, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Does anyone here sell trendnet at a good price? They have some green low power consumption switches - I need some low power use switches for my network - and I'd rather offer you a few bucks than Newegg...

Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?

2010-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
I've looked into official channels many times for selling mainstream gear. NewEgg or similar online retailers are your best bet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us

Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?

2010-03-17 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 17 March 2010 14:57, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Does anyone here sell trendnet at a good price? They have some green low power consumption switches - I need some low power use switches for my network - and I'd rather offer you a few bucks than Newegg... TrendNet TE100-S80g 8

Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?

2010-03-17 Thread MDK
The AT and TrendNet switches are so similar, even in physical form, I suspect they ARE the same. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Jeremy Parr

Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?

2010-03-17 Thread MDK
The kind that normally takes a few watts, but is running off an inverter at the moment.No AC available and I haven't got any other PSU for it yet. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++

Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?

2010-03-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Oh I see. Thanks for clarifying. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:37 PM, MDK

[WISPA] UBNT XR-9 card for sale

2010-03-17 Thread Cameron Kilton
Used as a test for a site for about a week, then went a different route. If you are interested. $75 takes it contact me off list. Thank You, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Anyone onlist sell Trendnet at good prices?

2010-03-17 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 17 March 2010 15:36, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: The AT and TrendNet switches are so similar, even in physical form, I suspect they ARE the same. ...except that AT seems to think theirs are worth $28 vs $22 for the Trendnet

Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-17 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I have also built my own POE board like that. My cost was around $75 in parts and spare time over 3 days. We do not have enough need to do the integrated switch but did look into sourcing some hardened switches and modifying them. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:44 AM, cc...@dot11net.com wrote: They

[WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread David Sovereen
I think I saw an ad here for Aperto or AirSpan or some other vendor who had 3.65 GHz gear with $200 SMs for life if you bought a particular package. If the company who sent that could re-send it to me off-list, or if it was on another list and someone here knows what I am talking about and can

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Jeremie Chism
Here is what I got Hi folks, We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Glenn Kelley
Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ? I am not sure what this gives us over say ... a Fixed system except higher pricing for equipment and a product that does not go as far... I could be wrong - guess its time for an education anyone know the benefits of WiMax? What I really want are non

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Jerry Richardson
The soft licensing ensures that anyone randomly throwing AP's in the air without registering will be subject to enforcement by the FCC. With every AP registered, you will be able to contact other 3.65 operators for co-ordination. No guarantees they will co-operate but at least you know who to

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 21:07 -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote: Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ? Sold on...not me. Recognize that there ARE some benefits...YES! I am not sure what this gives us over say ... a Fixed system except higher pricing for equipment and a product that does not go

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Glenn Kelley
well put kinda where we are - it makes sense perhaps in some places just not convinced ours is one of them ... yet ... :-) On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 21:07 -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote: Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ? Sold on...not me.

Re: [WISPA] Channel Recommendation Gel Filled Ethernet

2010-03-17 Thread Robert West
I use flooded cable exclusively. Have you tried another make of crimper? Maybe you aren't getting a good enough crimp from the one you are using. The only time I have issues with the ends is when I snag them on something but I've only had the outer jacket come loose from the connecter but never

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Rubens Kuhl
anyone know the benefits of WiMax? I will leave most of the sales guys that man these lists, but there are a number of benefits to WiMAX that make it a better solution than simple polling or tdma approaches. After working some years in a WiMAX operator I couldn't agree more with Butch. The

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Jeremie Chism
I have a small wimax deployment with 20 subs and 130 phone lines and I wouldn't change a thing. All business customers with very high quality voip. I section all the voip traffic out with ugs and leave the Internet as best effort to guarantee service levels. All my subs can easily get 5-6

Re: [WISPA] Channel Recommendation Gel Filled Ethernet

2010-03-17 Thread Lawrence E. Bakst
Which cable or kind of fill are you using? If it's the silicon fill from Mohawk you can easily clean it with an orange cleaner and that could help. leb At 10:20 PM -0400 3/17/10, Robert West wrote: I use flooded cable exclusively. Have you tried another make of crimper? Maybe you aren't