[WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
WTG, Gino! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:49:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
I need to get my creed back after some recently stolen FCC announcements! Lol!! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 at 8:50 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released WTG, Gino! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:49:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
*nods* Well, some of us already knew all of the information on those pages... it's just nice to be able to publicly talk about them now. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:57:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released I need to get my creed back after some recently stolen FCC announcements! Lol!! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 at 8:50 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released WTG, Gino! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:49:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
The connectorized version was less than the AF5, though you would obviously need to add antennas. I'd recommend the Jirous ones. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:59:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Of all the distributors listed on their web site…. No one is carrying them yet. anyone know a cost on these? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released The connectorized version was less than the AF5, though you would obviously need to add antennas. I'd recommend the Jirous ones. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:59:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.cohttp://www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.cohttp://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.netmailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com/ @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.nethttp://www.amarillowireless.net/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ - Skype: linktechs skype:linktechs?call -- Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ - 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Cogent Sales Contact
Does someone have a contact they've been happy dealing with? Earlier this year we were cold called by a Cogent rep who was a huge jerk, I'd like to get an updated quote but don't want to deal with that guy. Chris Fabien LakeNet LLC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*: linktechs skype:linktechs?call */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace */ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Auto everything? :( Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 11:16 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*: linktechs skype:linktechs?call */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace */ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Mimosa is the best looking 5 GHz backhaul out there now. What's your beef with the Mimosa? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:16:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*: linktechs skype:linktechs?call */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace */ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
It does say that manual control is available for those that would rather have that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:18:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Auto everything? :( Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 11:16 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*: linktechs skype:linktechs?call */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace */ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was my thought also.. I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data center. On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*: linktechs skype:linktechs?call */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace */ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Just more 5GHz being chewed up on backahuls. I thought Mimosa was coming out with another frequency :( Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 11:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Mimosa is the best looking 5 GHz backhaul out there now. What's your beef with the Mimosa? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:16:48 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*: linktechs skype:linktechs?call */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace */ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Rather have that != general population. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: It does say that manual control is available for those that would rather have that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:18:02 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Auto everything? :( Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 11:16 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*: linktechs skype:linktechs?call */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace */ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
They can't use another frequency until the FCC makes it available. It's better than whatever is currently out there simply by getting more done in less spectrum. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:22:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Just more 5GHz being chewed up on backahuls. I thought Mimosa was coming out with another frequency :( Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 11:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Mimosa is the best looking 5 GHz backhaul out there now. What's your beef with the Mimosa? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:16:48 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*: linktechs skype:linktechs?call */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace */ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
There seems to be stuff in there that simply isn't feasible manually. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:22:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Rather have that != general population. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: It does say that manual control is available for those that would rather have that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:18:02 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Auto everything? :( Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 11:16 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*: linktechs skype:linktechs?call */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /*www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace */ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Users email to support 5.7 band
This is the e-mail we sent to ALL of our users to help support the 5.7 band: Please send something similar to your users. Dear argontech.net user, *END OF RURAL HIGH SPEED INTERNET POSSIBLE* The FCC has approved a change to the system requirements for the 5.7 GHz Microwave Radio Bands that we and most other wireless internet service providers utilize. Within two years these changes will decimate rural wireless broadband and your internet service. Either service will have to discontinue, or monthly service costs will be greatly increased. We presently have a petition to the FCC to change the rules so that we can continue to use these bands to provide you service. We strongly urge you to follow the link below and tell the FCC how important rural broadband is to you. Please *forward this link to everyone in your address book* so that we may pass the message and save your service. Under ISP tell them you're with: *argontech.net http://argontech.net* http://www.wispa.org/save-rural-broadband-and-unlicensed-wireless-call-to-action Thank you for your support and help. Marco Coelho -- Argon Technologies Inc. Marco Coelho, President, CEO POB 875 4612 Wesley St. Greenville, TX 75402 903-455-5036 903-455-2115 Fax -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Jamie, First off, congratulations. I know it has been a long time coming. I see the product was certified under 15.407 rules. Could you post a spec sheet as if it were approved under the 15.247 rules, so everyone can see the impact the rule change has on range? I love to see excitement over new products on the list and I wish to applaud of the manufacturers who are creating these products. I wish I could create the same kind of excitement to file letters of support for the Mimosa Petition for Reconsideration as well as WISPAs, Cambium Networks and Jab Wirelesss Petitions. B5c Specifications Specifications Performance Max Throughput Up to 1.0 Gbps IP (1.7 Gbps PHY) Low Latency 2+ ms Wireless Protocols TDMA Radio MIMO Modulation 4x4:4 MIMO OFDM up to 256QAM Bandwidth Single or Dual 20/40/80 MHz channels Frequency Range 4900-6000 MHz restricted by country of operation (UNII 2 US FCC certification pending) Max Output Power 30 dBm (2-stream), 27 dBm (4-stream) Sensitivity ( MCS 0 ) -87 dBm @ 80 MHz -90 dBm @ 40 MHz -93 dBm @ 20 MHz Power Max Power Consumption 20W System Power Method 802.3at compliant System Lightning ESD Protection 6 kV PoE Power Supply 56 V Power over Ethernet supply with IEC61000-4-5 surge protection Physical Dimensions Height: 267 mm (10.5) Width: 158 mm (6.2) Depth: 74 mm (3) Weight 1.6 kg (3.5 lbs) Enclosure Characteristics Outdoor UV stabilized plastic Aluminum mounting panel Mounting Dual standard pole straps for 30 mm (1.18) to 90 mm (3.54) OD pipes Connector Type Female Type N (x2), intended for use with dual polarization antenna Environmental Outdoor Ingress Protection Rating IP67 Operating Temperature -40°C to +55°C (-40°F to 131°F) Operating Humidity 5 to 100% condensing Operating Altitude 4420 m (14500') maximum Shock Vibration ETS 300-019-2-4 class 4M5 Features Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000-BASE-T Dual Link Operation 2 independent dual-stream radios operating on non-contiguous frequencies Automatic load balancing of traffic across 4 total MIMO streams with individual stream encoding up to 256 QAM Management Services Mimosa cloud monitoring and management SNMPv2 Syslog legacy monitoring HTTPS HTML 5 based Web UI 2.4 GHz 802.11b/g/n radio for local management access Smart Antenna Alignment Hands-free dedicated 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi management radio alignment tool Smart Spectrum Management Active scan monitors/logs ongoing RF interference across channels (no service impact) Dynamic auto-optimization of channel and bandwidth use Security 128-bit AES PSK with hardware acceleration QoS Supports 4 pre-configured QoS levels GPS Location GNSS-1 (GPS + GLONASS) Colocation Synchronization 1PPS GPS TX/RX synchronization for colocated co-channel radios Adjustable up/downstream bandwidth ratio Regulatory + Compliance Approvals FCC Part 15.407, IC RS10, CE, ETSI 301 893/302 502 RoHS Compliance Yes Safety UL/EC/EN/ 60950-1 + CSA-22.2 http://www.wispapalooza.net/ Join us at WISPAPALOOZA 2014 in Las Vegas, Oct. 11th 18th Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-622-5699 Cell 866-317-2851 Ext. 101 WISPA Office 260-622-5774 Direct Line Skype: rick.harnish. mailto:rharn...@wispa.org rharn...@wispa.org mailto:adm...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Rick and Trina) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co http://www.mimosa.co , and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink Mimosa Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 Campbell CA 95008 www.mimosa.co http://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/ @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Cogent Sales Contact
Chris, Phil Davis Global Account Manager pbda...@cogentco.com (202) 295-4347 Good luck! Ian Framson Sales Director [image: Trade Show Internet logo] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com www.tradeshowinternet.com http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com%2F i...@tradeshowinternet.com http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=mailto%3Aian%40tradeshowinternet.com (866) 385-1504 x701 (818) 590-7475 mobile (415) 704-3153 fax Connect With Us [image: LinkedIn] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fianframson [image: Facebook] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FTradeShowInternet [image: Google Plus Page] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F115903484193884732934 [image: Twitter] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FTSInternet *Trade Show Internet fully complies with the Telecommunications Act of 1996 http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcc.gov%2FBureaus%2FWireless%2FOrders%2F2000%2Ffcc00366.txt, which prohibits telecommunications carriers from entering into exclusive contracts with commercial building owners for the provision of interstate telephony and Internet services.** Trade Show Internet's solutions also comply with FCC Title 47 CFR Part 15 http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcfr.vlex.com%2Fvid%2F15-5-general-conditions-operation-19847431 and OTARD http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fedocket.access.gpo.gov%2F2006%2FE6-20142.htm rules.* On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: Does someone have a contact they've been happy dealing with? Earlier this year we were cold called by a Cogent rep who was a huge jerk, I'd like to get an updated quote but don't want to deal with that guy. Chris Fabien LakeNet LLC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent Sales Contact
Thanks Guys. On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.com wrote: Chris, Phil Davis Global Account Manager pbda...@cogentco.com (202) 295-4347 Good luck! Ian Framson Sales Director [image: Trade Show Internet logo] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com www.tradeshowinternet.com http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeshowinternet.com%2F i...@tradeshowinternet.com http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=mailto%3Aian%40tradeshowinternet.com (866) 385-1504 x701 (818) 590-7475 mobile (415) 704-3153 fax Connect With Us [image: LinkedIn] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fianframson [image: Facebook] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FTradeShowInternet [image: Google Plus Page] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplus.google.com%2F115903484193884732934 [image: Twitter] http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FTSInternet *Trade Show Internet fully complies with the Telecommunications Act of 1996 http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcc.gov%2FBureaus%2FWireless%2FOrders%2F2000%2Ffcc00366.txt, which prohibits telecommunications carriers from entering into exclusive contracts with commercial building owners for the provision of interstate telephony and Internet services.** Trade Show Internet's solutions also comply with FCC Title 47 CFR Part 15 http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcfr.vlex.com%2Fvid%2F15-5-general-conditions-operation-19847431 and OTARD http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fedocket.access.gpo.gov%2F2006%2FE6-20142.htm rules.* On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: Does someone have a contact they've been happy dealing with? Earlier this year we were cold called by a Cogent rep who was a huge jerk, I'd like to get an updated quote but don't want to deal with that guy. Chris Fabien LakeNet LLC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was my thought also.. I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data center. The 5 GHz band is getting quite crowded, but at least this new radio seems to be efficient in how it uses the spectrum. Any of these U-NII radios essentially transmits based on demand. If traffic is 10 Mbps and the link is capable of 500 Mbps, it won't be on the air very much of the time. So it doesn't need the frequency all to itself. We are doing a lot of urban links and share the frequencies with all sorts of stuff, including Cable WiFi (all over, even below 5250, ugh), but it doesn't kill performance, at least for the type of moderate load applications (mostly cameras) we're supporting on 5 GHz. We do most of the backhaul on higher frequencies but 5 GHz is sometimes used as a backup to take over during rain fade. During the storm last week that brought a tornado just a few subway stops from downtown Boston, we even lost 11 GHz links for time. The rainfall was off the charts for the second time in a month. But 5 Ghz links hardly noticed it. Also to Mimosa's credit, it comes with a 44 cm 25 dB dish, whose narrowness helps with frequency reuse. It will probably produce a lot less clutter than outdoor access points, or even some indoor access points that use more power than necessary. (We put a NanoBridge 5G25 on a hilltop and were able to pick up WLANs inside office towers four miles away.) And they are petitioning the FCC to open up 10 GHz under Part 90 (light licensing, like 3650). On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ -- *Skype*: linktechs skype:linktechs?call */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage's with /*www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/*//*/--*900Mhz -- LTE -- 3G -- 3.65 -- TV Whitespace */ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
From a TechCrunch article: The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are using the same channel. Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, that's pretty amazing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was my thought also.. I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data center. The 5 GHz band is getting quite crowded, but at least this new radio seems to be efficient in how it uses the spectrum. Any of these U-NII radios essentially transmits based on demand. If traffic is 10 Mbps and the link is capable of 500 Mbps, it won't be on the air very much of the time. So it doesn't need the frequency all to itself. We are doing a lot of urban links and share the frequencies with all sorts of stuff, including Cable WiFi (all over, even below 5250, ugh), but it doesn't kill performance, at least for the type of moderate load applications (mostly cameras) we're supporting on 5 GHz. We do most of the backhaul on higher frequencies but 5 GHz is sometimes used as a backup to take over during rain fade. During the storm last week that brought a tornado just a few subway stops from downtown Boston, we even lost 11 GHz links for time. The rainfall was off the charts for the second time in a month. But 5 Ghz links hardly noticed it. Also to Mimosa's credit, it comes with a 44 cm 25 dB dish, whose narrowness helps with frequency reuse. It will probably produce a lot less clutter than outdoor access points, or even some indoor access points that use more power than necessary. (We put a NanoBridge 5G25 on a hilltop and were able to pick up WLANs inside office towers four miles away.) And they are petitioning the FCC to open up 10 GHz under Part 90 (light licensing, like 3650). blockquote On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: blockquote Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm ” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – *Skype*: linktechs skype:linktechs?call */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with /* www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ *//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace */ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent Sales Contact
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
And UBNT's ;-) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Rick Harnish ri...@wispa.org wrote: Jamie, First off, congratulations. I know it has been a long time coming. I see the product was certified under 15.407 rules. Could you post a spec sheet as if it were approved under the 15.247 rules, so everyone can see the impact the rule change has on range? *I love to see excitement over new products on the list and I wish to applaud of the manufacturers who are creating these products. I wish I could create the same kind of excitement to file letters of support for the Mimosa Petition for Reconsideration as well as WISPA’s, Cambium Networks and Jab Wireless’s Petitions.* B5c Specifications Specifications Performance Max Throughput Up to 1.0 Gbps IP (1.7 Gbps PHY) Low Latency 2+ ms Wireless Protocols TDMA Radio MIMO Modulation 4x4:4 MIMO OFDM up to 256QAM Bandwidth Single or Dual 20/40/80 MHz channels Frequency Range 4900-6000 MHz restricted by country of operation (UNII 2 US FCC certification pending) Max Output Power 30 dBm (2-stream), 27 dBm (4-stream) Sensitivity ( MCS 0 ) -87 dBm @ 80 MHz -90 dBm @ 40 MHz -93 dBm @ 20 MHz Power Max Power Consumption 20W System Power Method 802.3at compliant System Lightning ESD Protection 6 kV PoE Power Supply 56 V Power over Ethernet supply with IEC61000-4-5 surge protection Physical Dimensions Height: 267 mm (10.5) Width: 158 mm (6.2) Depth: 74 mm (3) Weight 1.6 kg (3.5 lbs) Enclosure Characteristics Outdoor UV stabilized plastic Aluminum mounting panel Mounting Dual standard pole straps for 30 mm (1.18) to 90 mm (3.54) OD pipes Connector Type Female Type N (x2), intended for use with dual polarization antenna Environmental Outdoor Ingress Protection Rating IP67 Operating Temperature -40°C to +55°C (-40°F to 131°F) Operating Humidity 5 to 100% condensing Operating Altitude 4420 m (14500') maximum Shock Vibration ETS 300-019-2-4 class 4M5 Features Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000-BASE-T Dual Link Operation 2 independent dual-stream radios operating on non-contiguous frequencies Automatic load balancing of traffic across 4 total MIMO streams with individual stream encoding up to 256 QAM Management Services Mimosa cloud monitoring and management SNMPv2 Syslog legacy monitoring HTTPS HTML 5 based Web UI 2.4 GHz 802.11b/g/n radio for local management access Smart Antenna Alignment Hands-free dedicated 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi management radio alignment tool Smart Spectrum Management Active scan monitors/logs ongoing RF interference across channels (no service impact) Dynamic auto-optimization of channel and bandwidth use Security 128-bit AES PSK with hardware acceleration QoS Supports 4 pre-configured QoS levels GPS Location GNSS-1 (GPS + GLONASS) Colocation Synchronization 1PPS GPS TX/RX synchronization for colocated co-channel radios Adjustable up/downstream bandwidth ratio Regulatory + Compliance Approvals FCC Part 15.407, IC RS10, CE, ETSI 301 893/302 502 RoHS Compliance Yes Safety UL/EC/EN/ 60950-1 + CSA-22.2 *Join us at WISPAPALOOZA 2014 in Las Vegas, Oct. 11th – 18th http://www.wispapalooza.net/* Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-622-5699 Cell 866-317-2851 Ext. 101 WISPA Office 260-622-5774 Direct Line Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Rick and Trina) *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Fink *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 9:10 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
They'll announce it... Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Absolutely Ben, I hope UBNT does the same with your recent new equipment announcements! :) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released And UBNT's ;-) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Rick Harnish ri...@wispa.org mailto:ri...@wispa.org wrote: Jamie, First off, congratulations. I know it has been a long time coming. I see the product was certified under 15.407 rules. Could you post a spec sheet as if it were approved under the 15.247 rules, so everyone can see the impact the rule change has on range? I love to see excitement over new products on the list and I wish to applaud of the manufacturers who are creating these products. I wish I could create the same kind of excitement to file letters of support for the Mimosa Petition for Reconsideration as well as WISPA’s, Cambium Networks and Jab Wireless’s Petitions. B5c Specifications Specifications Performance Max Throughput Up to 1.0 Gbps IP (1.7 Gbps PHY) Low Latency 2+ ms Wireless Protocols TDMA Radio MIMO Modulation 4x4:4 MIMO OFDM up to 256QAM Bandwidth Single or Dual 20/40/80 MHz channels Frequency Range 4900-6000 MHz restricted by country of operation (UNII 2 US FCC certification pending) Max Output Power 30 dBm (2-stream), 27 dBm (4-stream) Sensitivity ( MCS 0 ) -87 dBm @ 80 MHz -90 dBm @ 40 MHz -93 dBm @ 20 MHz Power Max Power Consumption 20W System Power Method 802.3at compliant System Lightning ESD Protection 6 kV PoE Power Supply 56 V Power over Ethernet supply with IEC61000-4-5 surge protection Physical Dimensions Height: 267 mm (10.5) Width: 158 mm (6.2) Depth: 74 mm (3) Weight 1.6 kg (3.5 lbs) Enclosure Characteristics Outdoor UV stabilized plastic Aluminum mounting panel Mounting Dual standard pole straps for 30 mm (1.18) to 90 mm (3.54) OD pipes Connector Type Female Type N (x2), intended for use with dual polarization antenna Environmental Outdoor Ingress Protection Rating IP67 Operating Temperature -40°C to +55°C (-40°F to 131°F) Operating Humidity 5 to 100% condensing Operating Altitude 4420 m (14500') maximum Shock Vibration ETS 300-019-2-4 class 4M5 Features Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000-BASE-T Dual Link Operation 2 independent dual-stream radios operating on non-contiguous frequencies Automatic load balancing of traffic across 4 total MIMO streams with individual stream encoding up to 256 QAM Management Services Mimosa cloud monitoring and management SNMPv2 Syslog legacy monitoring HTTPS HTML 5 based Web UI 2.4 GHz 802.11b/g/n radio for local management access Smart Antenna Alignment Hands-free dedicated 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi management radio alignment tool Smart Spectrum Management Active scan monitors/logs ongoing RF interference across channels (no service impact) Dynamic auto-optimization of channel and bandwidth use Security 128-bit AES PSK with hardware acceleration QoS Supports 4 pre-configured QoS levels GPS Location GNSS-1 (GPS + GLONASS) Colocation Synchronization 1PPS GPS TX/RX synchronization for colocated co-channel radios Adjustable up/downstream bandwidth ratio Regulatory + Compliance Approvals FCC Part 15.407, IC RS10, CE, ETSI 301 893/302 502 RoHS Compliance Yes Safety UL/EC/EN/ 60950-1 + CSA-22.2 http://www.wispapalooza.net/ Join us at WISPAPALOOZA 2014 in Las Vegas, Oct. 11th – 18th Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-622-5699 tel:260-622-5699 Cell 866-317-2851 Ext. 101 tel:866-317-2851%20Ext.%20101 WISPA Office 260-622-5774 tel:260-622-5774 Direct Line Skype: rick.harnish. mailto:rharn...@wispa.org rharn...@wispa.org mailto:adm...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Rick and Trina) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co http://www.mimosa.co , and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co http://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message.
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
http://ec2-54-90-168-54.compute-1.amazonaws.com/news/16/78/Mimosa-Networks-Unveils-First-Products-in-Cloud-to-Client-Internet-Access-Ecosystem/d,flat-blog-detail.html The B5 Backhaul radio is available for order in two versions – an antenna-integrated 5 GHz backhaul radio (B5); and a connectorized radio-only version (B5c). The B5 ( List Price: $899 for B5, $839 for B5c ) will begin shipping to customers in Fall 2014. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:22:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co , and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: blockquote What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote /blockquote blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
On 8/5/2014 11:34 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Jamie, First off, congratulations. I know it has been a long time coming. I see the product was certified under 15.407 rules. Could you post a spec sheet as if it were approved under the 15.247 rules, so everyone can see the impact the rule change has on range? *I love to see excitement over new products on the list and I wish to applaud of the manufacturers who are creating these products. I wish I could create the same kind of excitement to file letters of support for the Mimosa Petition for Reconsideration as well as WISPA's, Cambium Networks and Jab Wireless's Petitions.* The spec sheet is not the same as the type approval sheet. It tells what the radio can do, not what the FCC will allow it to do here. There is good reason for Mimosa's petition to be granted, as it has a huge impact on usable power. So if you haven't filed a Comment in support yet, you should! FCC IDENTIFIER: 2ABZJ-100-00014 *Name of Grantee: * Mimosa Networks, Inc. *Equipment Class:* *Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure TX* *Notes:**5 GHz Point to Point Back Haul* Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency Range (MHZ) Output Watts Frequency Tolerance Emission Designator 38 MO *15E* *5165.0 * - *5240.0 * *0.053 *** ** 38 MO *15E* *5745.0 * - *5825.0 * *0.155 *** So from that table, the B5c is allowed to use around +21 on U-NII-3 but only around +17 on U-NII-1 (they don't seem to have DFS approval yet). The limits on the B5 are 35 and 179 mW respectively. A 25 dB antenna does require limiting U-NII-1 power by 2 dB, to +28 conducted (no such limit applies to U-NII-3 or 15.247) and if the +21 is for each of four chains, then they are basically at that limit. But the U-NII-1 approval seems to be limited by out-of-band power, which is why they've petitioned to fix that broken rule. Mimosa's signal is quite clean. ** B5c Specifications Specifications Performance Max Throughput Up to 1.0 Gbps IP (1.7 Gbps PHY) Low Latency 2+ ms Wireless Protocols TDMA Radio MIMO Modulation 4x4:4 MIMO OFDM up to 256QAM Bandwidth Single or Dual 20/40/80 MHz channels Frequency Range 4900-6000 MHz restricted by country of operation (UNII 2 US FCC certification pending) Max Output Power 30 dBm (2-stream), 27 dBm (4-stream) Sensitivity ( MCS 0 ) -87 dBm @ 80 MHz -90 dBm @ 40 MHz -93 dBm @ 20 MHz Power Max Power Consumption 20W System Power Method 802.3at compliant System Lightning ESD Protection 6 kV PoE Power Supply 56 V Power over Ethernet supply with IEC61000-4-5 surge protection Physical Dimensions Height: 267 mm (10.5) Width: 158 mm (6.2) Depth: 74 mm (3) Weight 1.6 kg (3.5 lbs) Enclosure Characteristics Outdoor UV stabilized plastic Aluminum mounting panel Mounting Dual standard pole straps for 30 mm (1.18) to 90 mm (3.54) OD pipes Connector Type Female Type N (x2), intended for use with dual polarization antenna Environmental Outdoor Ingress Protection Rating IP67 Operating Temperature -40°C to +55°C (-40°F to 131°F) Operating Humidity 5 to 100% condensing Operating Altitude 4420 m (14500') maximum Shock Vibration ETS 300-019-2-4 class 4M5 Features Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000-BASE-T Dual Link Operation 2 independent dual-stream radios operating on non-contiguous frequencies Automatic load balancing of traffic across 4 total MIMO streams with individual stream encoding up to 256 QAM Management Services Mimosa cloud monitoring and management SNMPv2 Syslog legacy monitoring HTTPS HTML 5 based Web UI 2.4 GHz 802.11b/g/n radio for local management access Smart Antenna Alignment Hands-free dedicated 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi management radio alignment tool Smart Spectrum Management Active scan monitors/logs ongoing RF interference across channels (no service impact) Dynamic auto-optimization of channel and bandwidth use Security 128-bit AES PSK with hardware acceleration QoS Supports 4 pre-configured QoS levels GPS Location GNSS-1 (GPS + GLONASS) Colocation Synchronization 1PPS GPS TX/RX synchronization for colocated co-channel radios Adjustable up/downstream bandwidth ratio Regulatory + Compliance Approvals FCC Part 15.407, IC RS10, CE, ETSI 301 893/302 502 RoHS Compliance Yes Safety UL/EC/EN/ 60950-1 + CSA-22.2 /_Join us at WISPAPALOOZA 2014 in Las Vegas, Oct. 11^th -- 18^th http://www.wispapalooza.net/_/ // Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-622-5699 Cell 866-317-2851 Ext. 101 WISPA Office 260-622-5774 Direct Line Skype:
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Thanks Rick, and Fred for the numbers! First and foremost please everyone get your comments in to the FCC on the petitions. Simply put there is a big impact to max possible output versus the new OOBE impacts of 15.407. We’re about to publish a new paper with specific examples later this week, and I can share this with WISPA. Just as an FYI we have additional filings in process on the B5c with the FCC that expand the US allowable power on it with additional antenna options, first filing was for high gain antennas. Before then though, to really simplify this in practical terms, we built a free link planning tool with a specific FCC OOBE switch that tells you the impact of the specific link of the old power limits and enforcing the OOBE limits. Plan a link location, and select Advanced Settings and you’ll be able to see the impacts to performance: http://cloud.mimosa.co I highly recommend WISPA members try this and see the impacts, it best exemplifies real world consequences, and is a very advanced planning tool that understands the new complexities of these new radios. We have a pretty unique new radio type dealing with up 4 streams and resilient load balanced Dual Link modes (2 channel), so FCC restrictions vary a bit depending on how it’s configured. There’s no getting around the impacts especially if you have a product that operates across all the UNII bands. Even if it’s just a product limited to a single UNII-1 or UII-3 band, there’s extreme cost in the filters. We’re complying with the rules tightly so that WISPs can be protected, and obviously doing everything we can to lobby and fight to change the rules with a very well thought out technical proposal in our petition. Before I forget again…get your comments in on the FCC petitions. Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.cohttp://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 10:47 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.commailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 8/5/2014 11:34 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Jamie, First off, congratulations. I know it has been a long time coming. I see the product was certified under 15.407 rules. Could you post a spec sheet as if it were approved under the 15.247 rules, so everyone can see the impact the rule change has on range? I love to see excitement over new products on the list and I wish to applaud of the manufacturers who are creating these products. I wish I could create the same kind of excitement to file letters of support for the Mimosa Petition for Reconsideration as well as WISPA’s, Cambium Networks and Jab Wireless’s Petitions. The spec sheet is not the same as the type approval sheet. It tells what the radio can do, not what the FCC will allow it to do here. There is good reason for Mimosa's petition to be granted, as it has a huge impact on usable power. So if you haven't filed a Comment in support yet, you should! FCC IDENTIFIER: 2ABZJ-100-00014 Name of Grantee:Mimosa Networks, Inc. Equipment Class:Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure TX Notes: 5 GHz Point to Point Back Haul Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency Range (MHZ) Output Watts Frequency Tolerance Emission Designator 38 MO 15E 5165.0 - 5240.0 0.053 38 MO 15E 5745.0 - 5825.0 0.155 So from that table, the B5c is allowed to use around +21 on U-NII-3 but only around +17 on U-NII-1 (they don't seem to have DFS approval yet). The limits on the B5 are 35 and 179 mW respectively. A 25 dB antenna does require limiting U-NII-1 power by 2 dB, to +28 conducted (no such limit applies to U-NII-3 or 15.247) and if the +21 is for each of four chains, then they are basically at that limit. But the U-NII-1 approval seems to be limited by out-of-band power, which is why they've petitioned to fix that broken rule. Mimosa's signal is quite clean. B5c Specifications Specifications Performance Max Throughput Up to 1.0 Gbps IP (1.7 Gbps PHY) Low Latency 2+ ms Wireless Protocols TDMA Radio MIMO Modulation 4x4:4 MIMO OFDM up to 256QAM Bandwidth Single or Dual 20/40/80 MHz channels Frequency Range 4900-6000 MHz restricted by country of operation (UNII 2 US FCC certification pending) Max Output Power 30 dBm (2-stream), 27 dBm (4-stream) Sensitivity ( MCS 0 ) -87 dBm @ 80 MHz -90 dBm @ 40 MHz -93 dBm @ 20 MHz Power Max Power Consumption 20W System Power Method 802.3at compliant System Lightning ESD Protection 6 kV PoE Power Supply 56 V Power over Ethernet supply with IEC61000-4-5 surge
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is that price per link or per radio Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com wrote: http://ec2-54-90-168-54.compute-1.amazonaws.com/news/16/78/Mimosa-Networks-Unveils-First-Products-in-Cloud-to-Client-Internet-Access-Ecosystem/d,flat-blog-detail.html The B5 Backhaul radio is available for order in two versions – an antenna-integrated 5 GHz backhaul radio (B5); and a connectorized radio-only version (B5c). The B5 (List Price: $899 for B5, $839 for B5c) will begin shipping to customers in Fall 2014. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800, ext 6200 From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:22:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Are you sure we don't need an NDA to buy one? On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: is that price per link or per radio Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com wrote: http://ec2-54-90-168-54.compute-1.amazonaws.com/news/16/78/Mimosa-Networks-Unveils-First-Products-in-Cloud-to-Client-Internet-Access-Ecosystem/d,flat-blog-detail.html The B5 Backhaul radio is available for order in two versions – an antenna-integrated 5 GHz backhaul radio (B5); and a connectorized radio-only version (B5c). The B5 (*List Price: $899 for B5, $839 for B5c*) will begin shipping to customers in Fall 2014. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com *Tekify Broadband Internet Services* Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800, ext 6200 -- *From: *Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:22:52 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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You see what I see. I imagine that is per side (per radio). Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:13:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released is that price per link or per radio Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com wrote: http://ec2-54-90-168-54.compute-1.amazonaws.com/news/16/78/Mimosa-Networks-Unveils-First-Products-in-Cloud-to-Client-Internet-Access-Ecosystem/d,flat-blog-detail.html The B5 Backhaul radio is available for order in two versions – an antenna-integrated 5 GHz backhaul radio (B5); and a connectorized radio-only version (B5c). The B5 ( List Price: $899 for B5, $839 for B5c ) will begin shipping to customers in Fall 2014. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:22:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: blockquote Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co , and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: blockquote What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote /blockquote blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that performance. No magic pixie dust, just great technology. Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.cohttp://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: From a TechCrunch article: The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are using the same channel. Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, that's pretty amazing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.commailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was my thought also.. I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data center. The 5 GHz band is getting quite crowded, but at least this new radio seems to be efficient in how it uses the spectrum. Any of these U-NII radios essentially transmits based on demand. If traffic is 10 Mbps and the link is capable of 500 Mbps, it won't be on the air very much of the time. So it doesn't need the frequency all to itself. We are doing a lot of urban links and share the frequencies with all sorts of stuff, including Cable WiFi (all over, even below 5250, ugh), but it doesn't kill performance, at least for the type of moderate load applications (mostly cameras) we're supporting on 5 GHz. We do most of the backhaul on higher frequencies but 5 GHz is sometimes used as a backup to take over during rain fade. During the storm last week that brought a tornado just a few subway stops from downtown Boston, we even lost 11 GHz links for time. The rainfall was off the charts for the second time in a month. But 5 Ghz links hardly noticed it. Also to Mimosa's credit, it comes with a 44 cm 25 dB dish, whose narrowness helps with frequency reuse. It will probably produce a lot less clutter than outdoor access points, or even some indoor access points that use more power than necessary. (We put a NanoBridge 5G25 on a hilltop and were able to pick up WLANs inside office towers four miles away.) And they are petitioning the FCC to open up 10 GHz under Part 90 (light licensing, like 3650). On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*:
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Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that performance. No magic pixie dust, just great technology. Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.cohttp://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: From a TechCrunch article: The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are using the same channel. Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, that's pretty amazing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.commailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was my thought also.. I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data center. The 5 GHz band is getting quite crowded, but at least this new radio seems to be efficient in how it uses the spectrum. Any of these U-NII radios essentially transmits based on demand. If traffic is 10 Mbps and the link is capable of 500 Mbps, it won't be on the air very much of the time. So it doesn't need the frequency all to itself. We are doing a lot of urban links and share the frequencies with all sorts of stuff, including Cable WiFi (all over, even below 5250, ugh), but it doesn't kill performance, at least for the type of moderate load applications (mostly cameras) we're supporting on 5 GHz. We do most of the backhaul on higher frequencies but 5 GHz is sometimes used as a backup to take over during rain fade. During the storm last week that brought a tornado just a few subway stops from downtown Boston, we even lost 11 GHz links for time. The rainfall was off the charts for the second time in a month. But 5 Ghz links hardly noticed it. Also to Mimosa's credit, it comes with a 44 cm 25 dB dish, whose narrowness helps with frequency reuse. It will probably produce a lot less clutter than outdoor access points, or even some indoor access points that use more power than necessary. (We put a NanoBridge 5G25 on a hilltop and were able to pick up WLANs inside office towers four miles away.) And they are petitioning the FCC to open up 10 GHz under Part 90 (light licensing, like 3650). On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*:
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Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that performance. No magic pixie dust, just great technology. Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: From a TechCrunch article: The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are using the same channel. Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, that's pretty amazing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: blockquote I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was my thought also.. I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data center. The 5 GHz band is getting quite crowded, but at least this new radio seems to be efficient in how it uses the spectrum. Any of these U-NII radios essentially transmits based on demand. If traffic is 10 Mbps and the link is capable of 500 Mbps, it won't be on the air very much of the time. So it doesn't need the frequency all to itself. We are doing a lot of urban links and share the frequencies with all sorts of stuff, including Cable WiFi (all over, even below 5250, ugh), but it doesn't kill performance, at least for the type of moderate load applications (mostly cameras) we're supporting on 5 GHz. We do most of the backhaul on higher frequencies but 5 GHz is sometimes used as a backup to take over during rain fade. During the storm last week that brought a tornado just a few subway stops from downtown Boston, we even lost 11 GHz links for time. The rainfall was off the charts for the second time in a month. But 5 Ghz links hardly noticed it. Also to Mimosa's credit, it comes with a 44 cm 25 dB dish, whose narrowness helps with frequency reuse. It will probably produce a lot less clutter than outdoor access points, or even some indoor access points that use more power than necessary. (We put a NanoBridge 5G25 on a hilltop and were able to pick up WLANs inside office towers four miles away.) And they are petitioning the FCC to open up 10 GHz under Part 90 (light licensing, like 3650). blockquote On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: blockquote Oh dear so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? AF5 + Mimosa Matt Hoppes
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4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.comailto:ja...@mimosa.co To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that performance. No magic pixie dust, just great technology. Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.cohttp://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: From a TechCrunch article: The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are using the same channel. Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, that's pretty amazing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.commailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was my thought also.. I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data center. The 5 GHz band is getting quite crowded, but at least this new radio seems to be efficient in how it uses the spectrum. Any of these U-NII radios essentially transmits based on demand. If traffic is 10 Mbps and the link is
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Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co mailto:ja...@mimosa.co *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that performance. No magic pixie dust, just great technology. Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! Cheers! *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co http://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: From a TechCrunch article: The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are using the same channel. Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, that's pretty amazing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was my thought also.. I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data center. The 5 GHz band is getting quite crowded, but at least this new radio seems to be efficient in how it uses the spectrum. Any of these U-NII radios essentially
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*nods* Thank you much for the information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 2:30:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that performance. No magic pixie dust, just great technology. Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote From a TechCrunch article: The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are using the same channel. Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, that's pretty amazing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: blockquote I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was my thought also.. I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data center. The 5 GHz band is getting quite crowded, but at least this new radio seems to be efficient in how it uses the spectrum. Any of these U-NII radios essentially transmits based on demand. If traffic is 10 Mbps and the link is capable of 500 Mbps, it won't be on the air very much of the time. So it doesn't need the frequency all to itself. We are doing a lot of urban links and share the frequencies with all sorts of stuff, including Cable WiFi (all over, even below 5250, ugh), but it doesn't kill performance, at least for the type of moderate load applications (mostly cameras) we're supporting on 5 GHz. We do most of the backhaul on higher frequencies but 5 GHz is sometimes used
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Hi Kurt! Pricing is posted on the website via our press release (below). You should be able to order from our distributor list on our website today! http://mimosa.co/news/16/78/Mimosa-Networks-Unveils-First-Products-in-Cloud -to-Client-Internet-Access-Ecosystem/d,flat-blog-detail.html Cheers! Kelly Kinsella € Mimosa € € www.mimosa.co 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 € Campbell € CA 95008 This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On 8/5/14, 10:29 AM, wireless-requ...@wispa.org wireless-requ...@wispa.org wrote: Send Wireless mailing list submissions to wireless@wispa.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wireless-requ...@wispa.org You can reach the person managing the list at wireless-ow...@wispa.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Wireless digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Mimosa Networks New product released (Kurt Fankhauser) 2. Re: Mimosa Networks New product released (Josh Luthman) 3. Re: Mimosa Networks New product released (Rick Harnish) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 13:22:52 -0400 From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: c2c33c9c-471d-4d4d-96d2-32df1475e...@wavelinc.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink ? Mimosa ? Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 ? Campbell ? CA 95008 ? www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/attachments/20140805/e48473ac/at tachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 13:25:04 -0400 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: CAN9qwJ_7L0GcZgNp=pph2xpqs0gpo42axkjdahdwr_2a-rx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 They'll announce it... Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9
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Good stuff! On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: *nods* Thank you much for the information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 2:30:46 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that performance. No magic pixie dust, just great technology. Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! Cheers! *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: From a TechCrunch article: The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are using the same channel. Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, that's pretty amazing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was my thought also.. I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data center. The 5 GHz band is getting quite
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Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co mailto:ja...@mimosa.co *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that performance. No magic pixie dust, just great technology. Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! Cheers! *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co http://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: From a TechCrunch article: The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are using the same channel. Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, that's pretty amazing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was my thought also.. I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out
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What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co mailto:ja...@mimosa.co *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that performance. No magic pixie dust, just great technology. Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! Cheers! *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co http://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: From a TechCrunch article: The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are using the same channel. Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, that's pretty amazing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org
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The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co mailto:ja...@mimosa.co *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that performance. No magic pixie dust, just great technology. Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! Cheers! *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co http://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: From a TechCrunch article: The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are using the same channel. Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, that's pretty amazing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
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You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co mailto:ja...@mimosa.co *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that performance. No magic pixie dust, just great technology. Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! Cheers! *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co http://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: From a TechCrunch article: The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are using the same channel. Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, that's pretty amazing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing
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For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co mailto:ja...@mimosa.co *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that performance. No magic pixie dust, just great technology. Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! Cheers! *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co http://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete
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Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co mailto:ja...@mimosa.co mailto:ja...@mimosa.co mailto:ja...@mimosa.co *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out there, and
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I still can't find it either? Anyone else find the pricing? On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Wait until tomorrow Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: I still can't find it either? Anyone else find the pricing? On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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+1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.comailto:ja...@mimosa.co mailto:ja...@mimosa.comailto:ja...@mimosa.co *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Mike, Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation capacities for the group. For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. As Fred pointed out
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Or read any of the links that have been pasted in the thread... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:40:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait until tomorrow Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: I still can't find it either? Anyone else find the pricing? On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: blockquote Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co , and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: blockquote What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
I see the advertised speeds of over 1gps, but I assume that is with 80mhz channels. What can we expect from a 20 or 40mhz channel size? Also, you mentioned that you can have up to 4 Colocated antennas using the same frequency. What if they are on different towers, but the towers can see each other? I assume you can still use GPS to sync them up ( I am ignorant as I have never used GPS sync before). On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so what's the minimum isolation? If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in other directions. Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how hard is that number. - Mike Hammett Intelligent
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Hi Jason, Here are links where you can see pricing and place an order. The listed prices are per radio not per link. Double Radius: http://www.doubleradius.com/store.html?manufacturer=576 Streakwave: B5: http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=B5eq=Tp= B5c:http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=B5ceq=Tp= Thanks, Ryan Rowley • Mimosa • Business Development 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 at 1:40 PM To: Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.commailto:j284...@yahoo.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait until tomorrow Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.commailto:j284...@yahoo.com wrote: I still can't find it either? Anyone else find the pricing? On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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2x 80 MHz channels. Well, just divide by 2 however many times to get however many channels at whatever channel size. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Elton Wilson el...@alohabroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:25:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released I see the advertised speeds of over 1gps, but I assume that is with 80mhz channels. What can we expect from a 20 or 40mhz channel size? Also, you mentioned that you can have up to 4 Colocated antennas using the same frequency. What if they are on different towers, but the towers can see each other? I assume you can still use GPS to sync them up ( I am ignorant as I have never used GPS sync before). On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: blockquote +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: blockquote Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: blockquote You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto: wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Thanks a bunch! So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that just best you could do with
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If you use their cloud based link planner, it will tell you the answer to your first question :P 2x80MHz - 975Mbps 2x40MHz - 487.5Mbps 2x20MHz - 243.75Mbps 1x80MHz - 487.5Mbps 1x40MHz - 243.75Mbps 1x20MHz - 121.875Mbps Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 01:25 PM, Elton Wilson wrote: I see the advertised speeds of over 1gps, but I assume that is with 80mhz channels. What can we expect from a 20 or 40mhz channel size? Also, you mentioned that you can have up to 4 Colocated antennas using the same frequency. What if they are on different towers, but the towers can see each other? I assume you can still use GPS to sync them up ( I am ignorant as I have never used GPS sync before). On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general
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Josh, TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size with between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile preferences. You can’t really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic products if it’s not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC advised, so there’s not really an easy mode. I can’t comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO and Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to pack the antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the best multi-user efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind. Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no longer make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move into a Massive MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional multiplexing are the name of the game to create unique beamforms. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link plans, coming soon! Cheers, Jaime
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Thanks for the info on the latency. Can you comment about Mimosa antenna designs for PtP and/or PtMP at this time? I see the beamwidth for the integrated radio. What about other antenna specs for it? Shielding? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 01:33 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: Josh, TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size with between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile preferences. You can’t really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic products if it’s not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC advised, so there’s not really an easy mode. I can’t comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO and Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to pack the antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the best multi-user efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind. Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no longer make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move into a Massive MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional multiplexing are the name of the game to create unique beamforms. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
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Polar plots and 3D animated renders on the specifications page for the B5, as well as FTB and and Cross Polar Isolation. http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page/overview-b5-backhaul/specifications.html Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Thanks for the info on the latency. Can you comment about Mimosa antenna designs for PtP and/or PtMP at this time? I see the beamwidth for the integrated radio. What about other antenna specs for it? Shielding? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 01:33 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: Josh, TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size with between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile preferences. You can’t really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic products if it’s not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC advised, so there’s not really an easy mode. I can’t comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO and Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to pack the antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the best multi-user efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind. Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no longer make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move into a Massive MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional multiplexing are the name of the game to create unique beamforms. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await
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Close Mike. The link planning tool at http://cloud.mimosa.co simulates this info best and lets you adjust your channel widths, the math is not exactly divide by 2 as the wireless PHY is actually 1.7 Gbps capable which gets above 1 Gbps by a bit, the tool has the IP throughput conversions in there based on experience. Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.cohttp://www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 2x 80 MHz channels. Well, just divide by 2 however many times to get however many channels at whatever channel size. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Elton Wilson el...@alohabroadband.netmailto:el...@alohabroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:25:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released I see the advertised speeds of over 1gps, but I assume that is with 80mhz channels. What can we expect from a 20 or 40mhz channel size? Also, you mentioned that you can have up to 4 Colocated antennas using the same frequency. What if they are on different towers, but the towers can see each other? I assume you can still use GPS to sync them up ( I am ignorant as I have never used GPS sync before). On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/
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I meant if you're doing ~1 gig at 2x 80 MHz, then 1x 80 MHz would be ~500 meg and 1x 40 MHz would be ~250. Just using round numbers and whole divisions as they're good enough. Josh actually pulled the numbers, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:44:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Close Mike. The link planning tool at http://cloud.mimosa.co simulates this info best and lets you adjust your channel widths, the math is not exactly divide by 2 as the wireless PHY is actually 1.7 Gbps capable which gets above 1 Gbps by a bit, the tool has the IP throughput conversions in there based on experience. Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 2x 80 MHz channels. Well, just divide by 2 however many times to get however many channels at whatever channel size. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Elton Wilson el...@alohabroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:25:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released I see the advertised speeds of over 1gps, but I assume that is with 80mhz channels. What can we expect from a 20 or 40mhz channel size? Also, you mentioned that you can have up to 4 Colocated antennas using the same frequency. What if they are on different towers, but the towers can see each other? I assume you can still use GPS to sync them up ( I am ignorant as I have never used GPS sync before). On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: blockquote Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: blockquote +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: blockquote Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: blockquote You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
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Congratulation Jaime. The B5 products look to be excellent, and it is good to see WISPA discussions about advanced techniques like 4x MIMO spatial multiplexing and MU-MIMO. Too often the focus is more spectrum, not about how to leverage technology to use much more efficiently what spectrum there is. For definition purposes: MU-MIMO (multiuse MIMO) sends multiple streams to different customers in the same band simultaneously. It doubles capacity using the same channel size and there's not downside compared with the capacity gain. You want it, especially where your spectrum is busy. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01CFB0D5.D188A670]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Josh, TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size with between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile preferences. You can't really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic products if it's not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC advised, so there's not really an easy mode. I can't comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO and Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to pack the antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the best multi-user efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind. Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no longer make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move into a Massive MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional multiplexing are the name of the game to create unique beamforms. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it's incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
*nods* I beat on my vendors regularly for support of such things. ;-) We're likely to get much further doing this sort of thing than whatever we get at the FCC. Cost effective platforms + advanced antenna\radio technologies are going to be the winner. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:53:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Congratulation Jaime. The B5 products look to be excellent, and it is good to see WISPA discussions about advanced techniques like 4x MIMO spatial multiplexing and MU-MIMO. Too often the focus is more spectrum, not about how to leverage technology to use much more efficiently what spectrum there is. For definition purposes: MU-MIMO (multiuse MIMO) sends multiple streams to different customers in the same band simultaneously. It doubles capacity using the same channel size and there's not downside compared with the capacity gain. You want it, especially where your spectrum is busy. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Josh, TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size with between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile preferences. You can’t really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic products if it’s not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC advised, so there’s not really an easy mode. I can’t comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO and Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to pack the antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the best multi-user efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind. Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no longer make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move into a Massive MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional multiplexing are the name of the game to create unique beamforms. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Eton, on your other question on GPS sync. The GPS is network wide, A/B sync group tower configurations, so there’s no issue with hidden tower problems as long as you coordinate them (A’s in the same channel talk to B’s in the same channel) . They all time off the same accurate source, we designed our own disciplined oscillater (GPS-DO) design to eliminate the typical very expensive OCXO components. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Elton Wilson el...@alohabroadband.netmailto:el...@alohabroadband.net wrote: I see the advertised speeds of over 1gps, but I assume that is with 80mhz channels. What can we expect from a 20 or 40mhz channel size? Also, you mentioned that you can have up to 4 Colocated antennas using the same frequency. What if they are on different towers, but the towers can see each other? I assume you can still use GPS to sync them up ( I am ignorant as I have never used GPS sync before). On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Wait... whut? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Jamie, We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max performance. That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up of course in different channels, and channel widths. We're finishing off a colocation planner in our cloud tools that automates those answers for you based on your radio location link
[WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). -- Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
They advertise 1 million, IIRC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 5:16:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). -- Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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I agree FWIW, I'm working on a comparison chart of AF5 vs BS-160 right now :P Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 01:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* I beat on my vendors regularly for support of such things. ;-) We're likely to get much further doing this sort of thing than whatever we get at the FCC. Cost effective platforms + advanced antenna\radio technologies are going to be the winner. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:53:22 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Congratulation Jaime. The B5 products look to be excellent, and it is good to see WISPA discussions about advanced techniques like 4x MIMO spatial multiplexing and MU-MIMO. Too often the focus is more spectrum, not about how to leverage technology to use much more efficiently what spectrum there is. For definition purposes: MU-MIMO (multiuse MIMO) sends multiple streams to different customers in the same band simultaneously. It doubles capacity using the same channel size and there's not downside compared with the capacity gain. You want it, especially where your spectrum is busy. *Patrick Leary* ***M*727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Fink *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:34 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Josh, TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size with between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile preferences. You can’t really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic products if it’s not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC advised, so there’s not really an easy mode. I can’t comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO and Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to pack the antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the best multi-user efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind. Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no longer make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move into a Massive MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional multiplexing are the name of the game to create unique beamforms. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct:
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
That should be interesting... On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: I agree FWIW, I'm working on a comparison chart of AF5 vs BS-160 right now :P Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 01:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* I beat on my vendors regularly for support of such things. ;-) We're likely to get much further doing this sort of thing than whatever we get at the FCC. Cost effective platforms + advanced antenna\radio technologies are going to be the winner. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com patrick.le...@telrad.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:53:22 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Congratulation Jaime. The B5 products look to be excellent, and it is good to see WISPA discussions about advanced techniques like 4x MIMO spatial multiplexing and MU-MIMO. Too often the focus is more spectrum, not about how to leverage technology to use much more efficiently what spectrum there is. For definition purposes: MU-MIMO (multiuse MIMO) sends multiple streams to different customers in the same band simultaneously. It doubles capacity using the same channel size and there's not downside compared with the capacity gain. You want it, especially where your spectrum is busy. *Patrick Leary* *M* 727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Fink *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:34 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Josh, TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size with between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile preferences. You can’t really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic products if it’s not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC advised, so there’s not really an easy mode. I can’t comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO and Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to pack the antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the best multi-user efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind. Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no longer make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move into a Massive MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional multiplexing are the name of the game to create unique beamforms. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct:
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...MU-MIMO = multiuser MIMO, not multiuse MIMO...excuse the typo From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Congratulation Jaime. The B5 products look to be excellent, and it is good to see WISPA discussions about advanced techniques like 4x MIMO spatial multiplexing and MU-MIMO. Too often the focus is more spectrum, not about how to leverage technology to use much more efficiently what spectrum there is. For definition purposes: MU-MIMO (multiuse MIMO) sends multiple streams to different customers in the same band simultaneously. It doubles capacity using the same channel size and there's not downside compared with the capacity gain. You want it, especially where your spectrum is busy. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01CFB0D9.868D6940]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Josh, TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size with between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile preferences. You can't really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic products if it's not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC advised, so there's not really an easy mode. I can't comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO and Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to pack the antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the best multi-user efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind. Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no longer make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move into a Massive MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional multiplexing are the name of the game to create unique beamforms. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it's incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
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On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html How to operate an outdoor radio with 4 spatial streams with dual-polarized antennas ? It seems I'm missing something... Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
