I was thinking more along the lines of better
physical isolation between the two systems :-)
marlon
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Chadd Thompson
To: 'WISPA General List'
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:53
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 mhz AMS
system
We've got a vendor member that's a voip company. Can't for the life of me,
remember the contact name though! help
I've also cc'd a guy that I know that's really good. Hutch is who you want
to touch base with.
laters,
marlon
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From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL
I'd recommend Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] who is both knowledge and
has relationships with many VoIP providers.
-Matt
Chadd Thompson wrote:
Anyone know of any VOIP consultants?
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I too would give Peter a high recommendation. Peter has EARNED my loyalty
more than once.
He has a wealth of knowledge, diverse portfolio and is in the deal for the
long-term relationship -- not the immediate sale!
- Cliff
On 8/18/06 7:09 AM, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd
Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads
Regardless of the original thread topic, I'd argue that...
The goal is to find a manufacturer that can deliver what we need, the
complete solution, at the price we need. If someone can do that, there is
not much more to find out, in my mind. Its not
Let me add that the new version of StarOs is passing vlans like a charm...
Kudos for Valemount for such a quick response to customer request...
Gino A. Villarini
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Although I see your point, how would it be inforced? When they didn't make
quota, do the ones that did get installed jsut get shut off when spectrum
gets returned.
Allocating spectrum based on empty promises is not good practice either.
What they aught to do is have the selling price and give a
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Re: StarOS
With the nazi administration currently in power, one
Just completed install for client, that we quoted blind. The supposed
Near-LOS partial freznel obstruction from a building, unfortuneately turned
out to really mean NON-LOS through thick row of pine trees between
buildings. Buildings were probably 600 yards away from each other. The
I'm NOT reading this right when you
combine 46 Mbps and 900 mhz in the
same paragraph ?
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story
Tom,
How would the WAR/V3 solution have worked any better than the
Routerboard 532 solution? You had to know that the RB532 would only do
about 20Mbps of actual throughput, so why would you quote that to begin
with?
Travis
Microserv
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Just completed install for client,
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story
I'm NOT reading this
Tom,
Am I missing your reply .? this is the 2nd post from you this am that is
only you signature.
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From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success
Way back in the time known as BC ... (that's Before Cellular), the FCC
authorized different frequency coordinators in various markets to manage
licenses. An applicant applied to the frequency coordinator for the
frequency, lat, lon, and power of a desired station, the frequency
coordinator
I am always amazed at the ideas that come out of this list. I totally agree
with Rich here about how the federal government keeps finding ways to slow
down the entrepreneurial spirit with their greed. It is like the frog story.
(When you put a frog in boiling water, it will jump out of your pot.
Yes, I meant Tranzeo!
On 8/16/06, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't remember anything about Trango and SR9; maybe you're thinking Tranzeo.
On 8/16/06, rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read here awhile back that a new Trango 900Mhz cpe used the same
Atheros chipset that the
It sounds like several of you here build your own radios and
use off the shelf antennas. So if I buy a board, cards and an antenna what are
my obligations to FCC as far as having a certified system in production?
Thanks for the education
Chris
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The rules state that any radio / antenna combination has to either be a
certified system or that a substitute antenna used would have to meet
the same specs as one used for certification in a system. Many think
that this means anything goes. The truth is that there are almost
certainly a good
Travis,
How would the WAR/V3 solution have worked any better than the Routerboard
532 solution?
The WAR board has faster CPU, and can push the full 35 mbps. The solution
needed to be a fully outdoor mountable system.
You had to know that the RB532 would only do about 20Mbps of actual
Tom,
The other issue regarding RB532 or StarOS on a WAR board is the lack of
FCC certification.
Travis
Microserv
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Travis,
How would the WAR/V3 solution have worked any better than the
Routerboard 532 solution?
The WAR board has faster CPU, and can push the full 35
John is 100% accurate. Also, with respect to using your own antenna, even
with that new relaxation of the rules, it ONLY applies to manufacturers, NOT
operators. What is does is to enable manufacturers to self-certify
additional antennas so long as the power is the same or less as the
originally
Take note that there are different legalities based
on wether you are manufacturering/selling a product versus using it for
your own use on your property.
And if its your customers propery versus
yours.
The only other advice that I have, is that if you
are providing uncertified solutions,
Exactly. Which is why those two vendors need to give more for less. The
benefit has to be so great, that its worth taking the chance to use it.
With the newer more flexible rules though, its much safer to install than 2
years ago, giving us more selection of antenna brands.
And just because
John,
Should WISPA consider publishing on our website a list of certification
labs? It seems that our industry needs someone to step up and take on a
leadership role and WISPA seems (to me anyway) to be the perfect
organization to perform this role.
We could start by simply polling our list
Patrick,
Not exactly. What you said is mostly true, and to the letter of the original
text, but there are added flexibilties.
It doesn't need to be the antenna that the manufacturer actually sells. For
example, if the manufacturer OEMed a MTI antenna for certification,
operators can now use
For sure. It has nothing to do with how the antenna is sold or sourced. What
is clear however is that as operators, you do not have the choice. Such
flexibility is ONLY given to the manufacturers. I was in the room where
Marlon pressed them on this point hard and they would not bend. For the FCC,
This sounds like a good idea. I am sure we could add a link to a listing
of certification labs. We also need to push manufacturers to certify.
Without some pressure from us the certification will just look like more
cost with little to gain to manufacturers. Pressure from customers would
make
We have a pretty vigorous approved third party antenna list, but I believe
we are somewhat of the exception in terms of this facility.
Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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No need to push manufactures when you can just not buy their product.
Why would you want to take the business risk of not buying a certified
radio? I mean Trango sells radios plenty cheap and they're certified.
Canopy is also cheap and also certified.
-Matt
John Scrivner wrote:
This sounds
All,
$0.02: A while back there was a discussion (The FCC even included
it in the latest dialog about part 15, I think) about the possibility of
a person becoming certified to work with unlicensed equipment. If this
afforded a person a real advantage (say being able to mix and match
Patrick,
From my perspective, Alvarion HAS set a pretty high standard in terms
of marketing certified equipment. Can you research the certification
labs that Alvarion has used and give us the names of those labs so that
others will know where to go for reliable certification services?
Matt,
I agree with John's suggestion that we need to push manufacturers to
certify. We could request that manufacturers indicate the certification
status of their equipment on their websites, their spec sheets, and
their advertising material. We could even create the artwork and make
That's easy. From the FCC site:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearchResult.cfm
And here is the search location:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm
Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage:
Disregard the first link. Instead, just type U.S. in the country field and
hit enter within the search page. You will pull up 149 labs.
WISPA should not re-create the wheel. The FCC site has a wealth of great
info and WISPA should simply link to it. It will also get WISPs in the habit
of going
Jack Unger wrote:
You ask - Why would we need to push manufacturers when a WISP could
just NOT buy a non-certified product? Because half of the WISPs out
there don't even realize that certification is required by law. WISPA
can perform a valuable public service by simply providing knowledge
Tom,
Real basic question:
Can you explain the comment on wishing to have the War/V3 solution?
What would War/V3 have given you?
Mario
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Just completed install for client, that we quoted blind. The supposed
Near-LOS partial freznel obstruction from a building,
Patrick - Thank you.
Patrick Leary wrote:
That's easy. From the FCC site:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearchResult.cfm
The above link didn't work for me.
And here is the search location:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm
Matt,
My response to your questions are inline, below.
jack
Matt Liotta wrote:
Jack Unger wrote:
You ask - Why would we need to push manufacturers when a WISP could
just NOT buy a non-certified product? Because half of the WISPs out
there don't even realize that certification is required
I was in the room where Marlon pressed them on this point hard and they
would not bend.
http://www.rapiddsl.net/latest_news/FccVisitOct2004.htm
Thats right, you were there Patrick. (PS. Your wherever Wireless goes, DSL
follows speach rocked!) And you are right, Marlon was pressing hard, and
Jack Unger wrote:
First, our small group can certainly influence manufacturers. The
voice of an industry trade organization (which is what we are) carries
a lot of weight if we simply decide to use that voice to speak out.
Only if we say nothing, will our voice carry no weight. In that case,
Because its certified system, not certified radio. Many of the
manufacturers do not provide antennas that are always available.
Just this month, Trangos DSS dishes were not available, it was buy your own,
or don't earn revenue for a month.
Or use a Andrews 3 ft dish with better RF
Jack,
One thing that is undisputable, is that Manufacturers have been given the
power to make their list of equivellent products that would be certified and
now its super cheap for them to do it with the relaxed rules. I agree, the
best method to solve this problem is to encourage our
Patrick,
Man, you coughed those URLs up pretty fast. Thanks for your participation in this list, you always have something educational, and you share your knowledge openly. Glsd you decided to come back.
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile:
Ron, I did not know them offhand, but I
have faith both in the wealth of info on the FCCs site and in the
ability of a well-phrased Google search to find the right page!
Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
Patrick,
You are right on target, I agree with everything that you have just said.
I would like to see an
independent body that could provide WISP technician certification that the
FCC could accept
Great Idea.
Let me ask you this: would you willingly warranty and support your end
user's
I assume you are asking about Trango...
Initially, we used the native trango tests, linktest 54 54, and got 45 mbps
actual throughput.
In addition, the technician used Iperf TCP from the two laptops plugged
directly into the radios.
I'm not sure the exact speed the tech got with Iperf, but he
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