Re: [WISPA] It can mean everything

2009-02-16 Thread Ron Wallace
I chose Scriv Tom's Stories. When I first started Scriv, Rick Harnish, Marlon shaffer spent a lot of time and energy assisting me whenever I asked for help. They never said 'no', they never ignored my requests no matter how simple or ignorant of the facts I was. My system is still small, but

Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
But it's your money? You pay taxes right? How can you feel wrong about getting back what they took from you? Brian rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say "it should not be done" and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide

Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

2009-02-16 Thread Adam Greene
I've always had good experience with this company: www.transition.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? I know thwy are lots of

[WISPA] opinions on IFS for outdoor applications?

2009-02-16 Thread Rogelio
Has anyone used this line of hardened outdoor switches? http://www.ifs.com/products.asp specifically, this one http://www.ifs.com/products_details.asp?item=88 I've got a camera security application that needs an outdoor switch. Several cameras will need to be plugged into a switch, along with

Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Businesses come and go too Mark. Because we don't like it or think it's a good idea for the country doesn't make this wrong in a moral or ethical sense. I agree that this package is going to end up doing more harm than good. That knowledge won't stop anyone from spending the money though.

Re: [WISPA] opinions on IFS for outdoor applications?

2009-02-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I can't quite swing one to try just yet, but this is what I'm leaning toward for my smaller sites. Outdoor rated. Build in POE, lightning protection, remote reboot etc. etc. etc. Almost everything that sits in my outdoor boxes is already in that single device. And with it I need no outdoor

[WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Matt Liotta
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Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread John McDowell
what is that? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
what's that? - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Dylan Bouterse
I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you think? Please expand on the reason for the email. Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread David E. Smith
Dylan Bouterse wrote: I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you think? Please expand on the reason for the email. Folks on NANOG are reporting that AS48438 is doing some very silly stuff (like trying to stuff in hundreds of AS-path prepends), which makes some BGP

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Brad Belton
Really? sigh http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=48438 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Matt Liotta
That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of all the flaps. The

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Dylan Bouterse
One of my upstreams found this after I called in the issue (I'm sure they were already aware of it) and filtered the AS out. I only had an issue with one of my routers as it is hobbling along with full routes and 256Mb of RAM. BGP was crashing on that one. :/ Thanks for the heads up guys! Dylan

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Brad Belton
So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP with Cisco routers. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Dylan Bouterse
We're getting off Cisco soon too. Moving to Juniper, maybe sooner than later now! Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread John Scrivner
Consider Imagestream (http://www.imagestream.com for your high end routing. They are high quality and lower cost than other high-end routing solutions. Fantastic support and rock solid platform for routing. Scriv PS. They are a WISPA Vendor Member also. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dylan

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread John McDowell
We're running Imagestream, no BGP though...think this would affect us? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.comwrote: We're getting off Cisco soon too. Moving to Juniper, maybe sooner than later now! Dylan -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Josh Luthman
I too would absolutely love to hear a response to John's question - we're moving to IS soon! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Feb 16,

[WISPA] Solar Tax Credits?

2009-02-16 Thread Randy Cosby
Has anyone who is doing solar powered sites claiming any kind of tax credit on their 2008 taxes? I'm a little fuzzy on what the requirements are for this, and how to document it, and what exactly qualifies. It appears there is a 30% credit available, but the sites I've read about it on are

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I'll second that suggestion. marlon - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now Consider Imagestream

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread eje
Yes a good choice. We have been very happy with all our IS units we have(replaced Cicsco units). As well all people we assisted and sold ImageStream units to have been very happy with them. Great stable product line at great pricing and an excellent support. Product is of course lot more then

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Per Eric, It appears that someone in Europe AS Path Padded their netblock advertisement more then 255 times. Best news is the problem was fixed as the source earlier today. I think it was only causing problems for an hour or two. If this is caused by Cisco bug CSCdr54230 then fair number of

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Matt Liotta
On Feb 16, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: So if your BGP upstream is using a old firmware and passed you this bogus path data your BGP session with them would flap. That is not correct. Older firmwares were dropping sessions because of this. Regardless, the route in question

[WISPA] TCP Flood?

2009-02-16 Thread Patrick Nix Jr.
I am having some extreme problems with network flooding. It's coming from within my network. I can manually identify it and kill the connection to that client, but how can I automatically detect and drop these sorts of things. I'm using Powercode along with an imagestream router for all of my

Re: [WISPA] It can mean everything

2009-02-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
In regards to the USDA grants, doesn't the choosen equipment have to be certified for use with USDA funds? So you could deploy Alvarion/Trango/Canopy but you can't use something like Staros/Mikrotik/Tranzeo??? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com

Re: [WISPA] It can mean everything

2009-02-16 Thread John Scrivner
We were never told we had to use anything from any approved list of vendors. I do know that Waverider did become a USDA Approved Vendor after we had our grant but we were not told we could not use them. We did help get Waverider listed as an approved Vendor at that time after the fact. I think it

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm not saying anything about you personally, John. However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs seriously. Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least know what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on the whole Internet. There were a

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread David E. Smith
Mike Hammett wrote: However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs seriously. I figured the original question: what is that? was a means of saying what is this ASN and why should we be filtering it. The original post in this thread was a BLANK email. It just said

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
roflol Oh the arrogance of the well connected! grin I'm just twisting your tail Mike. But understand something about the reality of things out here. There are NO other choices for upstream connectivity. I have ONE provider at three of my main sites. Not because I don't want a back up, but

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Travis Johnson
There is ALWAYS another choice _affordable_ choice is another question. :) We are backhauling an OC3 from Idaho Falls, Idaho to Seattle, WA right now... I'm sure that's farther than you are from Seattle... ;) Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: roflol Oh the arrogance of the

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
inline Mike Hammett wrote: I'm not saying anything about you personally, John. However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs seriously. Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least know what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on

[WISPA] Rootennas

2009-02-16 Thread lakeland
I have 9 grey 5210012 shallow pocket, two white 5210012, three grey 5210012 deep pocket and one R24-14 grey deep pocket. They are all 5ghz ezcept the last one. I also have 6 pieces of a 21dbi grids 5.1-5.3 GHz. And last but not least I have two 2.4 GHZ 24dBi grids and six 15dbi grids. Make me

Re: [WISPA] It can mean everything

2009-02-16 Thread St. Louis Broadband
In my younger years, I use to write grants for a non-profit. It is not difficult, you just need know the guidelines and have a good business plan, as well as some common sense. As Scriv mentioned, it is important now that you work with your attorney and accountant and get things in order. It is

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
There's always, always another option. The affordability or practicality of those options vary. Education and knowledge of the world at large is certainly cheaper than burying 200 miles of fiber. Not having an easy upstream choice isn't an excuse for not knowing what networks are around you,

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
LOL There is ONE fiber link into town. That's it. EVERYTHING runs on it. The ONLY choice is Century Tel. As for the OC3, I wonder if we could help with that? We can get a 100 meg fiber link from Seattle to Ephrata for about $3k. Not sure on the price for a gigE link. It would have to

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now There's always, always another option. The affordability or

Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet

2009-02-16 Thread John J. Thomas
Is there any reason you don't just cut an X in the carpter and then trim it? John -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:j...@scrivner.com] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 08:18 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet You need to use a sharp razor knife

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

2009-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm not sure Travis will buy your mountain excuse. I've heard on various lists before of WISPs working with the government to build towers in federal parks, etc. You'll have to think outside of the box on this. Can't just order a T1 from the telco. You'll have to build your own network out

Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet

2009-02-16 Thread John Scrivner
Carpet has a grain. You cut a slit a few inches long along the grain. You can pull the carpet up over the bit, run the bit slowly and prevent creating runs in the carpet. Scriv On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM, John J. Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: Is there any reason you don't just cut an

[WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-16 Thread Scott Vander Dussen
Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-16 Thread 3-dB Networks
Ruckus now has a full outdoor radio that would work great for this... easy to manage and setup. But the cost will probably kill your budget (I think the full outdoor units cost around $1k or so... haven't seen the price on them yet). The controller would add some cost too. But it would be a

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-16 Thread eje
MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-16 Thread os10rules
I haven't used this stuff but I've been researching it and have contacted the companies. One is some ready-made two radio (2.4ghz for clients, 5ghz for backhaul) mesh hardware from Wiligear http://www.wiligear.com/?q=products/mesh/wbd-212 which still requires to you package it up

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-16 Thread os10rules
One more thing I forgot, if you want to use something that is more experimental, more do-it-yourself and which supports a greater variety of hardware there is OpenWRT's firmware with mesh and also http://nightwing.lugro-mesh.org.ar/en/ . These are options using routing options such as