[WISPA] Wireless/Wimax in Nashville

2009-04-20 Thread Norman Schippert
Does anyone know of a provider doing this type of service in the areas North of Nashville? We can see downtown Nashville in the distance. We are right off I-65. WISPA Wants You! Join today!

[WISPA] 5GHz antenna

2009-04-20 Thread Jason Hensley
Looking for a H-Pol Omni that covers the entire 5Ghz band (5.1-5.8Ghz). Anyone know of an antenna that does that? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Wireless/Wimax in Nashville

2009-04-20 Thread Ray Jean
Butler networks - Original Message - From: Norman Schippert nor...@bluegrass.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] Wireless/Wimax in Nashville Does anyone know of a provider doing this type of service in the areas North of

Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

2009-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
splice? We NEVER splice the cable. It's always new. marlon - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll Was it a labrador? I find

Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

2009-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
15 minute drive? Oh man. How cool would that be? I have 1.5 hour drives to both edges of the network. It's still just me too! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to

Re: [WISPA] 5GHz antenna

2009-04-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
This is only 5.7-5.8 and I think it's going to be the closest match to your request. Only HPOL omni I have ever seen in that band. http://www.wlanparts.com/product/58EOH9/Antenna_58GHZ_OUTDOOR_OMNIDIRECTIONA L_HPOL_9DBI_58EOH9.html Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820

Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
My biggest site (something like 9 radios now) is drawing under 20 watts these days. Closer to 15 if my memory serves. To get that number I used one of the new kill-a-watt units that has an ethernet port on it. A bit spendy but very cool. It allows me to remotely (through a company web site,

Re: [WISPA] 5GHz antenna

2009-04-20 Thread Jason Hensley
There are a few options for a 5.8 Hpol omni, but not one that covers 5.1-5.8. Thanks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

2009-04-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I've used cat5 couplers before and always end of having to go back and run a new wire so that's what I do from now. Also get to charge the customer more with the new wire. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-20 Thread J. Vogel
Got a link or a model number for that new Kill-a-Watt? I can't find any info about it on their site. John Marlon K. Schafer wrote: My biggest site (something like 9 radios now) is drawing under 20 watts these days. Closer to 15 if my memory serves. To get that number I used one of the new

Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-20 Thread Vickie Edwards
ThinkGeek has 3 different models of the Kill-a-Watt, as well as another meter-type gadget: http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/whereisit.cgi?t=kill+a+wattx=0y=0 InLine vickie edwards, MPA | Grant Specialist InLine Connections Solutions Through Technology 600 Lakeshore Pkwy Birmingham AL, 35209

Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

2009-04-20 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I do new wire from radio to just inside the house, and splice. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I've used cat5 couplers before and always end of having to go back and run a new wire so that's what I do from now. Also get to charge the customer more with the new wire. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O.

Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-20 Thread Scott Carullo
P4400 KILL A WATT is what I have Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator Got a

Re: [WISPA] Promotion

2009-04-20 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 10:50 -0500, Jeff Ehman wrote: First, this is an area with people not used to high speed internet so I think it would be very tough for them to figure out how to connect to the access point. This is not something that many would have a difficult time with. I think

[WISPA] FW: Tranzeo Cleaning out the Cupboards Sale

2009-04-20 Thread Jerry Richardson
Dear Valued Customer, Tranzeo went through the cupboards and did some spring cleaning. We have the following surplus stock of NEW radios and are offering them at an incredible one time Savings to you DIRECT from our factory. (These radios will not be offered through the distributor Channel).

Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-20 Thread J. Vogel
Does it have ethernet, remote monitoring, or power-cycle capability? John Scott Carullo wrote: P4400 KILL A WATT is what I have Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:34 PM

Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-20 Thread J. Vogel
Marlon referenced a new kill-a-watt that has an ethernet port, remote monitoring, and power-cycling capability. I can't find any of those features mentioned on any of the models on the kill-a-watt site, or on the thinkgeek.com link you provided. Perhaps I missed it. Thanks for the link though. :)

Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

2009-04-20 Thread Chuck Profito
It is usually chewed low, so we pull new cat 5 inside, the raise or cut the upper piece to under the eve, then use a small black plastic project box, $1.00, and a keystone or modular jack. That way, if they can't teach their dog manners, we have a easy spot to redo it. We don't use couplers at

Re: [WISPA] FW: Tranzeo Cleaning out the Cupboards Sale

2009-04-20 Thread John Scrivner
As far as I am concerned this is spam. Tranzeo is NOT a paid vendor member of WISPA and as such gets no free ads here. Even if they were a member this is not how approved ads are sent to our list membership. Please refrain from sending out vendor ads to our list without board approval. Thank you,

Re: [WISPA] FW: Tranzeo Cleaning out the Cupboards Sale

2009-04-20 Thread Jerry Richardson
No problem. I'm not the vendor, nor do I use Tranzeo. Thought I was doing Tranzeo users a favor by forwarding the email as these radios will not be available any other way than through Tranzeo directly. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications

[WISPA] New Subject! Equipment Insurance

2009-04-20 Thread webbillys
Is anyone offering customer insurance on the wireless equipment? It was on this list last year, but the link I had doesn't work anymore. Wondering if I could borrow from your files. Thanks Jean www.surfmore.net

Re: [WISPA] Insurance on equipment

2009-04-20 Thread Scottie Arnett
They provide insurance at a rate for what you want covered. You pay less for a high deductable. In both cases, they will try everything they can to get out of paying you, and when they finally have to pay, they cancel the policy. So what was the use in getting the policy to begin with? Scott

Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-20 Thread Scott Carullo
No - sorry missed that part of the conversation just had one sitting here APC PDUs have the ability to see total power consumption but not per port - not the ones I have any way. They have the pther feature You asked for as well. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102

Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

2009-04-20 Thread Gary Garrett
I think I would put a lightning protector at that point and call it good. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I do new wire from radio to just inside the house, and splice. WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] Insurance on equipment

2009-04-20 Thread Gary Garrett
The Burlington Northern Railroad is self Insured. You save millions of $ on insurance premiums but you know for sure someday there will be a train wreck and people will die. S0... You put the money you would have spent on insurance in the bank and add to it monthly just like paying for

Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll

2009-04-20 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I use these: http://www.arrisistore.com/product.php?pid=710865 I buy them from Graybar in boxes of 100. I figure this: my average run is around 30-150 feet. Ethernet is good for 300+/- feet @ 100/1000bt . I figure that if I mess up the twisted pair just a little bit in that 100 foot long cable

Re: [WISPA] Insurance on equipment

2009-04-20 Thread chris cooper
We use Hartford. They've been great. Decent deductible, they pay claims without complaint, no premium increase. Chris Intelliwave Scottie Arnett wrote: They provide insurance at a rate for what you want covered. You pay less for a high deductable. In both cases, they will try everything

Re: [WISPA] Insurance on equipment

2009-04-20 Thread Gary Garrett
I had insurance from Hartford once. Had a bad couple of months and paid the premium late. They canceled me and said they do not insure ISP's or for that matter an Internet anything company. I tried again a year later and they said the same thing No Internet company. Many on this list have

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Gino Villarini
On what freqs you have all those wireless cards? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent:

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Kevin Neal
Is this doing any NAT? Is connection tracking enabled? Do you have all unneeded packages disabled? We have a few RB600's out there and they do fine for the most part, we don't do any wireless on the 600's and all of them have the 564 daughterboard in them. -Kevin Neal -Original

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Josh Luthman
Gino - Top right corner. Did the CPU just jump or has it casually been like that? I've never had 5 radios in any board, I don't know if that would cause a lot of usage or not. Most any MT box I've seen is 5% CPU. A lot of NAT as was mentioned would be the first place I'd look. Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Dennis Burgess - LTI
unltil it his 100% and stays there, its not overloaded hahahaha . * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA

Re: [WISPA] tranzeo 900mhz ?

2009-04-20 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I have not had an opportunity to try to do this yet but this person has: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=18752hilit=TR900 http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=18752hilit=TR900 He is short on details. ryan Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I have verified that they do not.

[WISPA] Gell Cell?

2009-04-20 Thread Randy Cosby
Anyone using Gell Cell batteries for solar or AC-powered backup (using a UPS or charger)? Any tips? I have an opportunity to buy 4 factory blemished group 4d (200AH) batteries for $100 ea, but want to make sure they're not going to blow up on me : ) -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest,

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Scott Reed
Unless it has run out of memory, that should be true. Dennis Burgess - LTI wrote: unltil it his 100% and stays there, its not overloaded hahahaha . * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member -

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Gino Villarini
5180.hmmm!!! Not to bust anyones head but you are using an uncertified device on an illegal channel Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Gino - Top right corner. Did the CPU just jump or has it casually been

Re: [WISPA] Gell Cell?

2009-04-20 Thread Blair Davis
Don't know where you are, but gel cells are not a good idea in very hot or cold environments. Randy Cosby wrote: Anyone using Gell Cell batteries for solar or AC-powered backup (using a UPS or charger)? Any tips? I have an opportunity to buy 4 factory "blemished" group 4d (200AH)

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Dennis Burgess - LTI
Part of the 5.2 band. All of the radar patters are in MT, just not certified. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support

Re: [WISPA] Gell Cell?

2009-04-20 Thread Scott Carullo
I prefer AGM batteries over gell - we like Trojan brand Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:30 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gell Cell?

Re: [WISPA] Gell Cell?

2009-04-20 Thread Randy Cosby
Me too.. .but can you get them for $100 @ 200AH? :) Randy Scott Carullo wrote: I prefer AGM batteries over gell - we like Trojan brand Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net Sent: Monday, April 20,

Re: [WISPA] Gell Cell?

2009-04-20 Thread Blair Davis
For locations subject to freezing, AGM can't be beat. For locations that get hot and that are accessible, I prefer wet cells Scott Carullo wrote: I prefer AGM batteries over gell - we like Trojan brand Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message

[WISPA] DFS Radar Question

2009-04-20 Thread Scott Carullo
Anyone know of a radio that can just listen passively and scan through channels and report back on radar signals heard on what frequencies? That would be a great tool to have to scope out certain areas of interest to know ahead of time what radar DFS issues might be present... Scott Carullo

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Eje Gustafsson
And 5.2 is not allowed for outdoor usage. So Franks unit is an indoor unit I would suspect he is suffering from multipath reflections. Besides on the radar stuff.. The way DFS is designed in MT it will never be able to get certified. First of it must continuously look for and detect radar not

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Kevin Suitor
5.2 is allowed for outdoor - the Redline AN-80i is certified for this band. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router

[WISPA] Time Warner backs off rate hikes

2009-04-20 Thread RickG
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Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question

2009-04-20 Thread Adam Goodman
I had some trouble with radar (think it was radar) last year. Interferences could be from many sources. It sa problem because you can't just go sit there for a couple of weeks with a spectrum analyzer listening for noise. It would be nice if there was a reasonably priced logger. Or with Internet

[WISPA] Solar Panels

2009-04-20 Thread Lists
Curious how many WISPs are using Solar and what type of solar products? We are looking at this as well as wind turbines for an all season coverage solution. Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO http://stlbroadband.com/ StLouisBroadband.com http://missouriruralwireless.com/

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
It bounces from 30% to 50% pretty regular. Nothing is on NAT. Connection tracking is disabled. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question

2009-04-20 Thread Eje Gustafsson
The Wi-SPY devices are fairly affordable. And they support remote monitoring both with Windows and Linux. So you could set one up in a small linux box that you leave on site and just let it log and you can view the data remotely from your Windows machine over the network or go and pickup the unit

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Tranzeo has DFS certified radio's in their TR-5a series correct me if I'm wrong but I heard they spent big dollars on getting that line certified with the DFS. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question

2009-04-20 Thread Charles Wyble
The WiSPY picks up radar signals? Eje Gustafsson wrote: The Wi-SPY devices are fairly affordable. And they support remote monitoring both with Windows and Linux. So you could set one up in a small linux box that you leave on site and just let it log and you can view the data remotely from

Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question

2009-04-20 Thread Dennis Burgess - LTI
You could also use http://www.linktechs.net/speca.asp. This you can plug into a PC and log without issues as well. There is also some recording in the hand held too. Advantage of this is that it does 10mhz to 6GHz . At least its less than 3k! *

[WISPA] Sprint Wholesale

2009-04-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Does anyone have a contact at Sprint wholesale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question

2009-04-20 Thread lakeland
My experience with several manufacturers radios is that the whole DFS thing is a crap shoot. I have had radios take DFS hits and block out those channels then replacement with a different mfgr radio and it works fine but have that replacement radio take hits but even another radio work fine.

Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question

2009-04-20 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
I had one of those spectran units in 2007 (HF-6080 rev 3 model) and found it to be grossly inaccurate and almost useless for even common WISP frequencies. YMMV, and contact me directly if you want details. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office:

Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question

2009-04-20 Thread Scott Carullo
I have no interest in logging or detecting anything other than radar signatures exactly as dfs radio is built to do just want to be able to do it is scan mode or non-tx mode. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Eje Gustafsson

Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question

2009-04-20 Thread Jack Unger
Probably any radio designed to work on 5250-5350 and 5470-5725 and that allowed you access via management system statistics to the field showing radar events (or similar). Scott Carullo wrote: Anyone know of a radio that can just listen passively and scan through channels and report back on

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Scott Carullo
5180 in my list says INDOOR ONLY If that is incorrect somebody please correct me and point me to the appropriate documentation Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Dennis Burgess - LTI dmburg...@linktechs.net Sent: Monday, April 20,

Re: [WISPA] Sprint Wholesale

2009-04-20 Thread Matt Liotta
Mike Tataris Specialized Account Manager - WSG Phone: 404-649-1521 Cell: 678-478-9132 Fax: 800-329-6882 Email: mike.tata...@sprint.com On Apr 20, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Does anyone have a contact at Sprint wholesale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Do you think that having each card on a RB433 while being installed into an indoor enclosure with only 1 card per routerboard with foil around the indoor enclosure will solve the self-interference? Assuming that the RB433's are still stacked onto each other. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Dennis Burgess - LTI
This woudl be better, as you have a metal indoor case around it. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Gell Cell?

2009-04-20 Thread os10rules
I wouldn't be afraid of them, but make sure you stay under the recommended max charge rate. Greg On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: Anyone using Gell Cell batteries for solar or AC-powered backup (using a UPS or charger)? Any tips? I have an opportunity to buy 4 factory

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Gino Villarini
It is not, it's indoor use only with a 200 mw eirp Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 20, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Dennis Burgess - LTI dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Part of the 5.2 band. All of the radar patters are in MT, just not certified. *

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Gino Villarini
To clarify 5150 - 5250 indoor 200mw eirp 5250 - 5350 outdoor 1w eirp dfs2 FCC certified Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 20, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Kevin Suitor ksui...@redlinecommunications.com wrote: 5.2 is allowed for outdoor - the Redline AN-80i is certified for this band.

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Gerard Dupont III
Are you using Adaptive Noise Immunity? If so, that will cause the cpu to skyrocket on even lightly loaded ap's.. Gerard Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I have a RB600 here that I've taken a screenshot of. No interfaces are bridged, everything is routed and I'm noticing some lag in the traffic that

Re: [WISPA] [Board] FW: Tranzeo Cleaning out the Cupboards Sale

2009-04-20 Thread George Rogato
Yeah, and I recall, when asked why Tranzeo didn't want to help support wisps at wispa, they pretty much laughed and said they couldn't see any reason to support us. George John Scrivner wrote: As far as I am concerned this is spam. Tranzeo is NOT a paid vendor member of WISPA and as such

Re: [WISPA] Solar Panels

2009-04-20 Thread Bob Knight
We've got 4 solar sites. Our first relay site was solar, 7+ years ago. 2nd went in 6 years ago. Kyocera panels, Morningstar controllers w/LVD, Concorde batteries. Bob Lists wrote: Curious how many WISPs are using Solar and what type of solar products? We are looking at this as

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread eje
That is what I though. I guess some people are calling the 5250-5350 spectrum 5.2 which most people afaik dubbed the 5.3 spectrum? But I think most reading the list was under the understanding that we where talking about 5180MHz. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original

Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?

2009-04-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
No it's turned off on all the interfaces. I am beginning to think that this board has too many wireless cards in it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Sprint Wholesale

2009-04-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Thanks... and with those NPAs, he isn't far from me. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
It's really new. Just call them. They are great to work with. marlon - Original Message - From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator Got a link or a model number