Re: [WISPA] New WISP

[Robert West]

You're no Jack Kennedy.


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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP


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Re: [WISPA] New WISP

[Gary Garrett]

I don't know Jack...

But you knew that.




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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Scottie Arnett]

To start out with, I have heard nothing but bad news about Super Pass. I have 
never used them, so I am NOT speaking from experience. I am also a 80% or more 
Canopy shop...so take that as you will. For Canopy, I have used 120 degree 
H-pol Tiltek sectors...they work !@@@!...@!@ great! But they are expensive 
I am one to buy the close to what I think is best first and worry about the 
consequences later. I sleep better.

Now in your situation, the Super Pass may work great? The only 900 Mhz I have 
used is Canopy. Canopy supposedly has the magic sauce of GPS timing. On the 
Tiltek sectors, with Canopy, I have customers out to 10.5 miles away and could 
have further but that is the the MAX AP distance that is set on my Moto 900 
AP's.

If you are trying to go PTP, I can offer you some suggestions on things much 
cheaper. If you are going to try PtMP, my suggestion will be Canopy unless you 
expect less than 20 subs.

Scott 

-- Original Message --
From: "Robert West" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:02:10 -0400

>I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s).  
>Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to 
>buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great.  I've done 
>the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal 
>for 2 to 4 miles.  Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the 
>CPEs.
>
>I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so 
>it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's 
>deserved.
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Re: [WISPA] Nyssa, OR coverage?

[Tom Sharples]

Hi, our client needs 1 static public IP with no ports blocked and at least 1 
meg upload speeds, to be used to remotely log into the video surveillance 
system we've supplied to them.  Please let me know the costs for that and 
I'll forward your info.

Thanks,

Tom S.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nyssa, OR coverage?


> We do
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Scottie Arnett]

A-Men, all this $hit started years ago and I do not know if a Democrat or 
Republican was in office when it started. All I know is that the FCC has been 
behind the big guys for at least close to 10 years or longer! Time for a change.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
Reply-To: fai...@snappydsl.net, WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:43:13 -0400

>I don't have a problem with what you have stated... however your first 
>sentence is rather in-accurate...
>
>"The operating ideology of the current Congress, President, and 
>associated agencies which deeply affect our business,"
>
>Ask any of the Wireline Service Providers, they will tell you things 
>started many years ago... what you are seeing is the result of actions 
>taken by the previous administration...
>
>If you state your message as in "Hey the Gov has been moving in a 
>direction that is going to put us on the short end of the stick".. I am 
>sure you are not going to get much argument... and also be prepared to 
>answer the next question..."What should we be doing about it ?"
>
>I don't know if your are doing this on purpose or without realizing... 
>when you start attributing what is happening now to the current 
>administration then guess what Pal.. you are showing up pretty late 
>to the party
>
>Throwing tantrums about politics on the list, is what most folks get 
>annoyed with While, Stating facts about a bill that has been passed, 
>and about what obligations it produces on all of us in the years down 
>the road is valid and valuable info..presenting it as a 'we are 
>getting snookerd by the current folks in charge', is like crying over 
>split milk.
>
>Go back and look at the FCC for the past 12 years, and one cannot help 
>realize that they have never been 'friends' of the smaller service 
>providers, weather it was Republicans in charge or Democrats. 
>Republicans have clearly demonstrated, that they like to support Big Business 
>who give them a lot of money and promise them cushy jobs after 
>they get out of office... The Democrats tend to look thru thier Rose 
>colored glasses, on behalf of the people, as if they know what is good 
>for them. 
>
>Guess what.. if you are a small business, service provider, you get screwed 
>either way...
>
>Want to convert your frustrations into action ? go make Trips to DC and 
>give your favorite representative an earful.
>
>Faisal  
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>-- Original Message --
>From: "MDK" 
>Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:13:21 -0700
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>>The operating ideology of the current Congress, President, and 
>associated agencies which deeply affect our business, our industry, our 
>ability to even BE in business is definitely of no concern when it comes 
>to us as wireless operators.
>>
>>Got it. 
>>
>>And with that I remind you that sticking your head in the sand does NOT 
>stop the waves from crashing over you.  
>>
>>This is the single most important thing, PERIOD, in our long term 
>ability to remain in business, feed ourselves, etc.   Yet, it is 
>"bothersome" to you all? 
>>
>>I am dumbfounded.Discussions about WiMax vs UBNT vs 802.11 or 
>license-lite or even the best networking standards and construction 
>standards are all important, but they mean absolutely nothing if we 
>experience a global version of Greece and Portugal's recent little 
>debacles.Do you know how far we are from it?Inches.   Literally.
>The United States government has a lower credit rating than a number of 
>large financial firms.If you do not comprehend what that means, and 
>how utterly imperative it is that WHOLESALE political change happen 
>IMMEDIATELY, then you're just whistling in the dark.   
>>
>>This list, if it manages to survive after one of those, will be little 
>more than each of us sharing our "collapse" story.   
>>
>>How that can possibly be separated from "business", and we're all in 
>"business" is... well, it cannot be.  Either we become political, or we 
>all suffer. 
>>
>>Currency collapse, or national default would INSTANTLY end most 
>importation ,and we, as WISP's would be so utterly out of luck - and out 
>of everything else, too. 
>>
>>If you're going to be so closed minded as to think you need pay no 
>attention, then you deserve the consequences.  
>>
>>But I DO NOT deserve the consequences of your failure to use a little 
>gray matter, nor does anyone else.   As businesspeople, WE ARE 
>supposedly the leadership of our nation.There IS NO SPACE between 
>business and politics at this moment.   Business IS politics, as the 
>politicians have decided to control business and the economy.   I don't 
>care if you don't like it.   I don't care if you want to pretend you can 
>ignore it.   I don't care if you don't agree with my ideology, but 
>unless we are ALL willing to stick up for our ability to operate a 
>business, we'll have none.   
>>

Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[Jason Bailey]

like!

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 10:42 PM


I've never had law enforcement happy with me so that's nothing new.  But 
ever since I've joined the Presidents Club at my local bail bondsman, it's 
all good.

Every tenth bail is free.

Bob-


- Original Message - 
From: "Jeremie Chism" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)


> They may do that anyway. I have been dealing with different aspects of
> law enforcement for years and it seems like they are never happy. Then
> you have the officers that will not want the stuff in their cars to
> start with. Somehow that will be your fault to.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:09 PM, RickG  wrote:
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>> I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to
>> poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put
>> AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar &
>> feather for poor relaibility!
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West > > wrote:
>>> Yep!  Had one for over a year or so.  Love it, never use it
>>>
>>> And here is why..
>>>
>>> It's the older PCMCIA slot config.  The new laptops are the express
>>> card.
>>> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot.  Have to break out the
>>> old
>>> Toshiba to use the thing
>>>
>>> The antenna clips to the screen.  Gets in the way.  I did, however,
>>> use to
>>> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to
>>> a MMCX
>>> connector to snap into the card.  worked darned well.  lots of
>>> wires though.
>>>
>>> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops
>>> to an SMA
>>> conector I installed in the laptop.
>>>
>>> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to
>>> put a big
>>> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna.  The
>>> bonus is that
>>> it's cheaper to go that route.
>>>
>>> So it sits in the toolbox.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "RickG" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small
>>> town)
>>>
>>>
>>> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? 
>>> http://ubnt.com/src
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism 
>>> wrote:
 I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over
 multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day
 in and day out.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr"
  wrote:

> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for
> mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has
> successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to
> start.
>
> Thanks
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> Computer Network Solutions
> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
> IT Manager
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> http://www.csweb.net
> (918) 235-0414
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Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[Robert West]

I've never had law enforcement happy with me so that's nothing new.  But 
ever since I've joined the Presidents Club at my local bail bondsman, it's 
all good.

Every tenth bail is free.

Bob-


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From: "Jeremie Chism" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)


> They may do that anyway. I have been dealing with different aspects of
> law enforcement for years and it seems like they are never happy. Then
> you have the officers that will not want the stuff in their cars to
> start with. Somehow that will be your fault to.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:09 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to
>> poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put
>> AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar &
>> feather for poor relaibility!
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West > > wrote:
>>> Yep!  Had one for over a year or so.  Love it, never use it
>>>
>>> And here is why..
>>>
>>> It's the older PCMCIA slot config.  The new laptops are the express
>>> card.
>>> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot.  Have to break out the
>>> old
>>> Toshiba to use the thing
>>>
>>> The antenna clips to the screen.  Gets in the way.  I did, however,
>>> use to
>>> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to
>>> a MMCX
>>> connector to snap into the card.  worked darned well.  lots of
>>> wires though.
>>>
>>> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops
>>> to an SMA
>>> conector I installed in the laptop.
>>>
>>> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to
>>> put a big
>>> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna.  The
>>> bonus is that
>>> it's cheaper to go that route.
>>>
>>> So it sits in the toolbox.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "RickG" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small
>>> town)
>>>
>>>
>>> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? 
>>> http://ubnt.com/src
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism 
>>> wrote:
 I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over
 multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day
 in and day out.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr"
  wrote:

> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for
> mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has
> successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to
> start.
>
> Thanks
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> Computer Network Solutions
> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
> IT Manager
> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
> http://www.csweb.net
> (918) 235-0414
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Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[Jeremie Chism]

They may do that anyway. I have been dealing with different aspects of  
law enforcement for years and it seems like they are never happy. Then  
you have the officers that will not want the stuff in their cars to  
start with. Somehow that will be your fault to.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:09 PM, RickG  wrote:

> I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to
> poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put
> AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar &
> feather for poor relaibility!
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West  > wrote:
>> Yep!  Had one for over a year or so.  Love it, never use it
>>
>> And here is why..
>>
>> It's the older PCMCIA slot config.  The new laptops are the express  
>> card.
>> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot.  Have to break out the  
>> old
>> Toshiba to use the thing
>>
>> The antenna clips to the screen.  Gets in the way.  I did, however,  
>> use to
>> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to  
>> a MMCX
>> connector to snap into the card.  worked darned well.  lots of  
>> wires though.
>>
>> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops  
>> to an SMA
>> conector I installed in the laptop.
>>
>> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to  
>> put a big
>> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna.  The  
>> bonus is that
>> it's cheaper to go that route.
>>
>> So it sits in the toolbox.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small  
>> town)
>>
>>
>> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism   
>> wrote:
>>> I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over
>>> multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day
>>> in and day out.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr"
>>> >>> wrote:
>>>
 We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for
 mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has
 successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to
 start.

 Thanks

 Patrick Nix, Jr.,
 Computer Network Solutions
 CSWEB.NET Internet Services
 IT Manager
 http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
 http://www.csweb.net
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Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[Robert West]

I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with the 
antenna and cable hanging off the thing.  It really IS a messy setup. 
Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess 
totally goes away.  If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an SMA 
connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card.  Depending on 
AP placememt, it should talk to them fine.  I'm actually typing this on a 
laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with the 
internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house.

Bob-




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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)


I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to
poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put
AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar &
feather for poor relaibility!

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West  
wrote:
> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it
>
> And here is why..
>
> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card.
> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old
> Toshiba to use the thing
>
> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, use to
> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a MMCX
> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of wires though.
>
> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an 
> SMA
> conector I installed in the laptop.
>
> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a 
> big
> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The bonus is 
> that
> it's cheaper to go that route.
>
> So it sits in the toolbox.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>
>
> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over
>> multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day
>> in and day out.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr"
>> > > wrote:
>>
>>> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for
>>> mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has
>>> successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to
>>> start.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>>> Computer Network Solutions
>>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
>>> IT Manager
>>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
>>> http://www.csweb.net
>>> (918) 235-0414
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[RickG]

I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to
poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put
AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar &
feather for poor relaibility!

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Yep!  Had one for over a year or so.  Love it, never use it
>
> And here is why..
>
> It's the older PCMCIA slot config.  The new laptops are the express card.
> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot.  Have to break out the old
> Toshiba to use the thing
>
> The antenna clips to the screen.  Gets in the way.  I did, however, use to
> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a MMCX
> connector to snap into the card.  worked darned well.  lots of wires though.
>
> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an SMA
> conector I installed in the laptop.
>
> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a big
> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna.  The bonus is that
> it's cheaper to go that route.
>
> So it sits in the toolbox.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>
>
> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over
>> multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day
>> in and day out.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr"
>> > > wrote:
>>
>>> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for
>>> mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has
>>> successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to
>>> start.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>>> Computer Network Solutions
>>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
>>> IT Manager
>>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
>>> http://www.csweb.net
>>> (918) 235-0414
>>>
>>>
>>> Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential
>>> and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient,
>>> please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-
>>> mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this
>>> information by a person other than the intended recipient is
>>> unauthorized and may be illegal.
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Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[Robert West]

Yep!  Had one for over a year or so.  Love it, never use it

And here is why..

It's the older PCMCIA slot config.  The new laptops are the express card. 
My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot.  Have to break out the old 
Toshiba to use the thing

The antenna clips to the screen.  Gets in the way.  I did, however, use to 
use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a MMCX 
connector to snap into the card.  worked darned well.  lots of wires though.

What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an SMA 
conector I installed in the laptop.

Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a big 
antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna.  The bonus is that 
it's cheaper to go that route.

So it sits in the toolbox.

Bob-


- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)


Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src
-RickG

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over
> multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day
> in and day out.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" 
>  > wrote:
>
>> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for
>> mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has
>> successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to
>> start.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>> Computer Network Solutions
>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
>> IT Manager
>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
>> http://www.csweb.net
>> (918) 235-0414
>>
>>
>> Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential
>> and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient,
>> please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-
>> mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this
>> information by a person other than the intended recipient is
>> unauthorized and may be illegal.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol SectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Robert West]

Looks nice.  Bullets  But hopefully some RocketM's when the antennas 
are released.  I'll be all over that.

Is anyone on this list doing Beta tests with it yet?

I'd love to see a side by side comparison with Canopy.

Bob-



- Original Message - 
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol 
SectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.


http://www.ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19484

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector 
Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:28 PM


Are they also matching them up with a damn great super fantsitc, can't live
without radio? Will they finally be taking that swing at Canopy we've been
promised?

Do tell! What's the scoop

Bob-


- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Bailey" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector
Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.


I have been waiting to see this discussionso I started it! I know the
schedule and I'm anxious to see it.It will come,and when it does it will
shake the market up!IMHO we need that!.Jason For now,MTI
expensive..GET what you pay for.

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Michael Baird  wrote:


From: Michael Baird 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.
Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:22 PM


There are two more months in the 2nd quarter, they said in the last week
they are still on target. Ubiquiti seems to come out with the products
fine, they just don't get enough of it out into the pipeline to meet demand.

Regards
Michael Baird
> UBNT works on the Julian calendar.
>
> It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert.
>
> LOL!
>
> Thanks a bunch. I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing
> solid. Might be worth the wait. Like till 2013?
>
> Bob-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jason Bailey"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.
> Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
>
> Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second
> quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert West
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not
> healthcare, taxes or government related.
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM
>
>
> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector
> antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've
> never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works
> great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs
> some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse ,
> into
> the trees to the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB
> so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's
> deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
>
> The cheap SOB
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[RickG]

Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src
-RickG

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over
> multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day
> in and day out.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" 
>   > wrote:
>
>> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for
>> mobile broadband in 7 police units.  Would anyone that has
>> successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to
>> start.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>> Computer Network Solutions
>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
>> IT Manager
>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
>> http://www.csweb.net
>> (918) 235-0414
>>
>>
>> Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential
>> and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient,
>> please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-
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>> unauthorized and may be illegal.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Jason Bailey]

http://www.ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19484

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector 
Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:28 PM


Are they also matching them up with a damn great super fantsitc, can't live 
without radio?  Will they finally be taking that swing at Canopy we've been 
promised?

Do tell!  What's the scoop

Bob-


- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Bailey" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector 
Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.


I have been waiting to see this discussionso I started it! I know the 
schedule and I'm anxious to see it.It will come,and when it does it will 
shake the market up!IMHO we need that!.Jason For now,MTI 
expensive..GET what you pay for.

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Michael Baird  wrote:


From: Michael Baird 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. 
Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:22 PM


There are two more months in the 2nd quarter, they said in the last week
they are still on target. Ubiquiti seems to come out with the products
fine, they just don't get enough of it out into the pipeline to meet demand.

Regards
Michael Baird
> UBNT works on the Julian calendar.
>
> It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert.
>
> LOL!
>
> Thanks a bunch. I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing
> solid. Might be worth the wait. Like till 2013?
>
> Bob-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jason Bailey"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.
> Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
>
> Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second
> quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert West
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not
> healthcare, taxes or government related.
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM
>
>
> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector
> antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've
> never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works
> great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs
> some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , 
> into
> the trees to the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB
> so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's
> deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
>
> The cheap SOB
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Robert West]

Are they also matching them up with a damn great super fantsitc, can't live 
without radio?  Will they finally be taking that swing at Canopy we've been 
promised?

Do tell!  What's the scoop

Bob-


- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Bailey" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector 
Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.


I have been waiting to see this discussionso I started it! I know the 
schedule and I'm anxious to see it.It will come,and when it does it will 
shake the market up!IMHO we need that!.Jason For now,MTI 
expensive..GET what you pay for.

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Michael Baird  wrote:


From: Michael Baird 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. 
Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:22 PM


There are two more months in the 2nd quarter, they said in the last week
they are still on target. Ubiquiti seems to come out with the products
fine, they just don't get enough of it out into the pipeline to meet demand.

Regards
Michael Baird
> UBNT works on the Julian calendar.
>
> It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert.
>
> LOL!
>
> Thanks a bunch. I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing
> solid. Might be worth the wait. Like till 2013?
>
> Bob-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jason Bailey"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.
> Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
>
> Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second
> quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert West
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not
> healthcare, taxes or government related.
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM
>
>
> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector
> antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've
> never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works
> great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs
> some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , 
> into
> the trees to the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB
> so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's
> deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not healthcare, taxes or government related.........

[RickG]

I've had Superpass units up since 2004 and still working well. I
almost hate to switch but the Ubiquiti units are very tempting. -RickG

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s). 
>  Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to 
> buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great.  I've 
> done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent 
> signal for 2 to 4 miles.  Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to 
> the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so 
> it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's 
> deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
>
> The cheap SOB
>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Robert West]

Maybe.


- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. 
Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.


Hey! Does the H-Pol stand for Heavy Politics? 

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Robert West  
wrote:
> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector 
> antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've 
> never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works 
> great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs 
> some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , 
> into the trees to the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB 
> so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's 
> deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
>
> The cheap SOB
>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Jason Bailey]

I have been waiting to see this discussionso I started it! I know the 
schedule and I'm anxious to see it.It will come,and when it does it will shake 
the market up!IMHO we need that!.Jason   For now,MTI expensive..GET 
what you pay for.

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Michael Baird  wrote:


From: Michael Baird 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. 
Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:22 PM


There are two more months in the 2nd quarter, they said in the last week 
they are still on target. Ubiquiti seems to come out with the products 
fine, they just don't get enough of it out into the pipeline to meet demand.

Regards
Michael Baird
> UBNT works on the Julian calendar.
>
> It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert.
>
> LOL!
>
> Thanks a bunch.  I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing
> solid.  Might be worth the wait.  Like till 2013?
>
> Bob-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jason Bailey"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.
> Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
>
> Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second
> quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert West
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not
> healthcare, taxes or government related.
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM
>
>
> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector
> antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've
> never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works
> great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs
> some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into
> the trees to the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB
> so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's
> deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
>
> The cheap SOB
>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Robert West]

Agreed.  But I prefer the julian calender explaination.

It's more confusing.


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Baird" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. 
Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.


> There are two more months in the 2nd quarter, they said in the last week
> they are still on target. Ubiquiti seems to come out with the products
> fine, they just don't get enough of it out into the pipeline to meet 
> demand.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>> UBNT works on the Julian calendar.
>>
>> It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Thanks a bunch.  I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but 
>> nothing
>> solid.  Might be worth the wait.  Like till 2013?
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jason Bailey"
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.
>> Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>>
>>
>> Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second
>> quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Robert West
>> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not
>> healthcare, taxes or government related.
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM
>>
>>
>> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector
>> antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because 
>> I've
>> never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works
>> great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install 
>> needs
>> some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , 
>> into
>> the trees to the CPEs.
>>
>> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap 
>> SOB
>> so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if 
>> it's
>> deserved.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>> The cheap SOB
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Robert West]

I've been using the Comet 900 Omnis and they work great but not for much 
distance.  The Comet is heavy at all but pretty solid.

Bob-

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector 
Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.


I've had suggestions of MTI's.  They are very expensive anywhere, I
believe.  I absolutely love MTI's 5Ghz sector and 900 omni (though it's
super super super super super heavy).

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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

> UBNT works on the Julian calendar.
>
> It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert.
>
> LOL!
>
> Thanks a bunch.  I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing
> solid.  Might be worth the wait.  Like till 2013?
>
> Bob-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jason Bailey" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.
> Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
>
> Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second
> quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert West 
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not
> healthcare, taxes or government related.
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM
>
>
> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector
> antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've
> never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works
> great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs
> some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , 
> into
> the trees to the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB
> so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's
> deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not healthcare, taxes or government related.........

[RickG]

Hey! Does the H-Pol stand for Heavy Politics? 

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s). 
>  Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to 
> buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great.  I've 
> done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent 
> signal for 2 to 4 miles.  Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to 
> the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so 
> it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's 
> deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
>
> The cheap SOB
>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Michael Baird]

There are two more months in the 2nd quarter, they said in the last week 
they are still on target. Ubiquiti seems to come out with the products 
fine, they just don't get enough of it out into the pipeline to meet demand.

Regards
Michael Baird
> UBNT works on the Julian calendar.
>
> It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert.
>
> LOL!
>
> Thanks a bunch.  I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing
> solid.  Might be worth the wait.  Like till 2013?
>
> Bob-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jason Bailey"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.
> Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
>
> Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second
> quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert West
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not
> healthcare, taxes or government related.
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM
>
>
> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector
> antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've
> never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works
> great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs
> some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into
> the trees to the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB
> so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's
> deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
>
> The cheap SOB
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[RickG]

Good post Faisal. I agree this started a long time ago but the current
administration has made things worse. I have given my representatives
an ear full but they dont care any more, which is why its worse. I
also agree with you in finding and offering solutions. Considering
their lackadaisical attitude, a few things that will help is
education, awareness, voting them out, and a grass roots effort to
support these. The later is how we got here - the libs have had grass
roots efforts in place since WWII. I realize this list is not the
forum for this so I wont go on further but there are a lot of smart
people on this list, I appeal to those who love our country to take a
stand to the dismantling of our county the we grew up in and love. The
country that gave us the freedom to be in the wireless business.

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> I don't have a problem with what you have stated... however your first
> sentence is rather in-accurate...
>
> "The operating ideology of the current Congress, President, and
> associated agencies which deeply affect our business,"
>
> Ask any of the Wireline Service Providers, they will tell you things
> started many years ago... what you are seeing is the result of actions
> taken by the previous administration...
>
> If you state your message as in "Hey the Gov has been moving in a
> direction that is going to put us on the short end of the stick".. I am
> sure you are not going to get much argument... and also be prepared to
> answer the next question..."What should we be doing about it ?"
>
> I don't know if your are doing this on purpose or without realizing...
> when you start attributing what is happening now to the current
> administration then guess what Pal.. you are showing up pretty late
> to the party
>
> Throwing tantrums about politics on the list, is what most folks get
> annoyed with While, Stating facts about a bill that has been passed,
> and about what obligations it produces on all of us in the years down
> the road is valid and valuable info..presenting it as a 'we are
> getting snookerd by the current folks in charge', is like crying over
> split milk.
>
> Go back and look at the FCC for the past 12 years, and one cannot help
> realize that they have never been 'friends' of the smaller service
> providers, weather it was Republicans in charge or Democrats.
> Republicans have clearly demonstrated, that they like to support Big Business 
> who give them a lot of money and promise them cushy jobs after
> they get out of office... The Democrats tend to look thru thier Rose
> colored glasses, on behalf of the people, as if they know what is good
> for them.
>
> Guess what.. if you are a small business, service provider, you get screwed 
> either way...
>
> Want to convert your frustrations into action ? go make Trips to DC and
> give your favorite representative an earful.
>
> Faisal
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "MDK" 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:13:21 -0700
>
>>The operating ideology of the current Congress, President, and
> associated agencies which deeply affect our business, our industry, our
> ability to even BE in business is definitely of no concern when it comes
> to us as wireless operators.
>>
>>Got it.
>>
>>And with that I remind you that sticking your head in the sand does NOT
> stop the waves from crashing over you.
>>
>>This is the single most important thing, PERIOD, in our long term
> ability to remain in business, feed ourselves, etc.   Yet, it is
> "bothersome" to you all?
>>
>>I am dumbfounded.    Discussions about WiMax vs UBNT vs 802.11 or
> license-lite or even the best networking standards and construction
> standards are all important, but they mean absolutely nothing if we
> experience a global version of Greece and Portugal's recent little
> debacles.    Do you know how far we are from it?    Inches.   Literally.
> The United States government has a lower credit rating than a number of
> large financial firms.    If you do not comprehend what that means, and
> how utterly imperative it is that WHOLESALE political change happen
> IMMEDIATELY, then you're just whistling in the dark.
>>
>>This list, if it manages to survive after one of those, will be little
> more than each of us sharing our "collapse" story.
>>
>>How that can possibly be separated from "business", and we're all in
> "business" is... well, it cannot be.  Either we become political, or we
> all suffer.
>>
>>Currency collapse, or national default would INSTANTLY end most
> importation ,and we, as WISP's would be so utterly out of luck - and out
> of everything else, too.
>>
>>If you're going to be so closed minded as to think you need pay no
> attention, then you deserve the consequences.
>>
>>But I DO NOT deserve the consequences of your failure to use a little
> gray matter, nor does anyone else.   As businesspeople, WE ARE
> supposedly the leadershi

Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Josh Luthman]

I've had suggestions of MTI's.  They are very expensive anywhere, I
believe.  I absolutely love MTI's 5Ghz sector and 900 omni (though it's
super super super super super heavy).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert West wrote:

> UBNT works on the Julian calendar.
>
> It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert.
>
> LOL!
>
> Thanks a bunch.  I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing
> solid.  Might be worth the wait.  Like till 2013?
>
> Bob-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jason Bailey" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.
> Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
>
> Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second
> quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert West 
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not
> healthcare, taxes or government related.
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM
>
>
> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector
> antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've
> never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works
> great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs
> some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into
> the trees to the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB
> so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's
> deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
>
> The cheap SOB
>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Robert West]

I hear ya.  I will gladly pay extra now to not have to go back over and 
over.  Pays 10X in the long run.

I prefer goo quality. :)

I'll give it a look to be sure.

Bob-


- Original Message - 
From: "Jeremie Chism" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. 
Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.


> Tiltek dual polarity 900 MHz.  I have had 8 up for 2.5 years with no
> problem. Not the cheapest but definitely goo quality. I like to use
> equipment that I don't have to go back to.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:02 PM, "Robert West"  micro.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector
>> antenna(s).  Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just
>> because I've never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses
>> what and if it works great.  I've done the Omni path, okay but
>> noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 to 4
>> miles.  Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs.
>>
>> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a
>> cheap SOB so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top
>> quality if it's deserved.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>> The cheap SOB
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Robert West]

UBNT works on the Julian calendar.

It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert.

LOL!

Thanks a bunch.  I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing 
solid.  Might be worth the wait.  Like till 2013?

Bob-

- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Bailey" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. 
Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.


Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second 
quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)


--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not 
healthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM


I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector 
antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've 
never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works 
great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs 
some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into 
the trees to the CPEs.

I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB 
so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's 
deserved.

Thanks.

Bob-

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not healthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Jeremie Chism]

Tiltek dual polarity 900 MHz.  I have had 8 up for 2.5 years with no  
problem. Not the cheapest but definitely goo quality. I like to use  
equipment that I don't have to go back to.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:02 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:

> I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector  
> antenna(s).  Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just  
> because I've never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses  
> what and if it works great.  I've done the Omni path, okay but  
> noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 to 4  
> miles.  Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs.
>
> I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a  
> cheap SOB so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top  
> quality if it's deserved.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob-
>
> The cheap SOB
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not healthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Jason Bailey]

Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second quarter 
of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :)


--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not 
healthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM


I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s).  
Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to buy 
these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great.  I've done the 
Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 
to 4 miles.  Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs.

I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so 
it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's 
deserved.

Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not healthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Jason Bailey]

THANKS for changing the subjectCheck out MTI...worth the extra

--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not 
healthcare, taxes or government related.
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM


I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s).  
Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to buy 
these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great.  I've done the 
Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 
to 4 miles.  Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs.

I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so 
it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's 
deserved.

Thanks.

Bob-

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[WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not healthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Robert West]

I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s).  
Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to buy 
these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great.  I've done the 
Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 
to 4 miles.  Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs.

I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so 
it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's 
deserved.

Thanks.

Bob-

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[WISPA] Enough of this

[MDK]

I am not "anti government", Jack, Mark, etc.

Government just isn't supposed to do some things, because it does them 
horrendously badly, and because once it does them, it opens the door to 
wholesale corruption.

Anti-government is those nutballs who call themselves "anarchists", and most 
of them are truly crazy. The wisest Americans we know wrote the book 
about how our government should work and what it SHOULD do.And they 
signed it.And we call them the founding fathers.I just think we 
should get back to what they knew.

Even if you disagree with that premise, the fact that business and 
government are now as cohabitated a field full of rabbits means that there 
is no longer any differentiation between business and governance.The two 
are now one.

Would it be as I wish ,and that "politics" were not about how we run our 
business, or that all of us are personally threatened by economic collapse, 
or a government which wishes to empower itself to commandeer any business or 
industry it deems it should (the bill debated right now in the Senate), 
because it wants to, but that "politics" were about things like foreign 
policy and whether national parks should be free. Old fashioned politics 
has never EVER been brought up here by me.I have lots of opinions on a 
wide array of such political things, but they're not intruding into 
"business". They're utterly off topic as it concerns "business".

BTW, good luck with the IRS and them keeping straight any businesses that 
pay you more than 49.99 a month, 'cause you're going to need to keep all 
those 1099's straight and you can DAMN WELL be sure the IRS won't.

I have one customer that pays more than that.   He won't next year.   I was 
going to start offering a high end service that was priced more than that. 
I damn sure am NOT now.Why should we be disincentivised to do what we 
should be doing?Even if you're NOT partisan or not political, even that 
should sink in eventually...

I just can't imagine how we, collectively, can pretend that we need to do 
nothing, say nothing, and our futures will remain blue sky and sunshine.

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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[RickG]

Dear Jack,

I apoligize if I offended you as that was not my attention. I will
also apoligize in advance for the serious tone of this email but I
take issues like this very seriously. So I can better understand your
complaint to me let me address a few things you have said below so we
can be in the same page and you might enlighten me further.

1) You said below that I quoted you out of context but how so? Your
full post was directly below my post with your exact quotes. Are you
saying I should have quoted your whole post again? If so, then the
point would've been missed. I might be wrong but "out of context"
(oops, I did it again) is when the full post is not available in the
same article which it is definitely was (review below).

2) You also mention your post was in a "private email" but that was
not the case. It was posted publicly on the list. So why complain to
me about my comments to a "private email" when it was obviously
public? If its private, then keep it private.

3) I dont know exactly what it is and I really dont care, but it
appears to me you have a personal beef against Mark. I dont know Mark
and dont know you either  other than through the lists but your
disdain for him seems to go deeper than just his "anti-government"
posts. If not, then why do you take it so personal? Please know I have
been on this list for over 6 years and I dont agree with your view of
his posts. Furthermore, some of things you have said are not always
"on topic". I am not looking to fight with you, I'm just hoping that
you'll take this as constructive criticism to be more fair in your
thinking. One of the things I truly enjoy about the list is because it
is multi-faceted.

4) I have met and like Rick Harnish. But, IMHO, he didnt take two
lemons and make lemonade. He took one lemon, (his) and added valuable
information to it. With that said, isnt that what Mark was trying to
do - provide information? Sure, he can come off as whining a bit but
dont we all feel like that many times? I always find it funny how
people can slam another person for something they did and then take
credit for it. The other thing I find funny is how someone can claim
what the person said is not on topic, yet I usually find support that
it was on topic. Hint: General List.

THE BOTTOM LINE:

1) I will follow the rules and guidelines of the list.
2) I will always call unfairness and BS when I see it.

I look forward to your reply.
-RickG

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Jack Unger  wrote:
> Hello RickG,
>
> Thank-you for expressing your opinion. The following is my opinion.
>
> The tax information from WISPA's accountant that Rick Harnish followed up
> with and provided to the list is certainly useful and authoritative
> information that every WISP should know.
>
> Posters to this free (open to non-Members) list and to any WISPA list for
> that matter need to have the maturity to understand the difference between
> useful business-related information and personal, opinionated political
> posturing. Mark Koskenmaki has unfortunately demonstrated over and over
> again throughout the years that he is unable to separate his WISP
> business-related posts from his personal, anti-government political posts. I
> addressed my concern about his latest post in a private, off-list email to
> Rick Harnish.
>
> I won't waste anyone's time by re-posting Mark's latest political ranting
> that I consider to be wildly out-of-line. I will however continue to speak
> up when serial offenders such as Mark (i.e., "muddy frogwater") continue to
> post content on WISPA lists that, in reality, belongs elsewhere, on a
> political list.
>
> I also ask that in the future, you (RickG) act more responsibly by not
> quoting me out of context from a private email that I sent to another so
> that you can make your political points. If you can't make your
> business-related point based on the non-political, business information
> contained in another's post, then perhaps you need some additional practice
> keeping your focus on business matters and off of political posturing.
>
> It is to Rick Harnish's (WISPA's President) great credit that he was willing
> and able to take two "lemons" (Mark's irresponsible post and my private
> email expressing concern) and make "lemonade" out of them by forwarding the
> business information to WISPA's accountant and posting the accountant's
> response on-list for Members and non-Members alike to benefit from.
>
> THE BOTTOM LINE -
>
> 1. I will continue to address posting abuse when it occurs on WISPA lists.
>
> 2. WISPA has just provided valuable business-related tax information for
> WISPA Members and non-Members alike.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Jack Unger
> WISPA Director and Chair of FCC Committee
> 818-227-4220
>
>
>
> RickG wrote:
>
> "little to do with wireless". -Jack
>
> Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to
> "wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl,
> satellite, etc. Politics th

Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[Jeremie Chism]

I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over  
multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day  
in and day out.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr"  wrote:

> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for  
> mobile broadband in 7 police units.  Would anyone that has  
> successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to  
> start.
>
> Thanks
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> Computer Network Solutions
> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
> IT Manager
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> http://www.csweb.net
> (918) 235-0414
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I don't have a problem with what you have stated... however your first 
sentence is rather in-accurate...

"The operating ideology of the current Congress, President, and 
associated agencies which deeply affect our business,"

Ask any of the Wireline Service Providers, they will tell you things 
started many years ago... what you are seeing is the result of actions 
taken by the previous administration...

If you state your message as in "Hey the Gov has been moving in a 
direction that is going to put us on the short end of the stick".. I am 
sure you are not going to get much argument... and also be prepared to 
answer the next question..."What should we be doing about it ?"

I don't know if your are doing this on purpose or without realizing... 
when you start attributing what is happening now to the current 
administration then guess what Pal.. you are showing up pretty late 
to the party

Throwing tantrums about politics on the list, is what most folks get 
annoyed with While, Stating facts about a bill that has been passed, 
and about what obligations it produces on all of us in the years down 
the road is valid and valuable info..presenting it as a 'we are 
getting snookerd by the current folks in charge', is like crying over 
split milk.

Go back and look at the FCC for the past 12 years, and one cannot help 
realize that they have never been 'friends' of the smaller service 
providers, weather it was Republicans in charge or Democrats. 
Republicans have clearly demonstrated, that they like to support Big Business 
who give them a lot of money and promise them cushy jobs after 
they get out of office... The Democrats tend to look thru thier Rose 
colored glasses, on behalf of the people, as if they know what is good 
for them. 

Guess what.. if you are a small business, service provider, you get screwed 
either way...

Want to convert your frustrations into action ? go make Trips to DC and 
give your favorite representative an earful.

Faisal  

-- Original Message --
From: "MDK" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:13:21 -0700

>The operating ideology of the current Congress, President, and 
associated agencies which deeply affect our business, our industry, our 
ability to even BE in business is definitely of no concern when it comes 
to us as wireless operators.
>
>Got it. 
>
>And with that I remind you that sticking your head in the sand does NOT 
stop the waves from crashing over you.  
>
>This is the single most important thing, PERIOD, in our long term 
ability to remain in business, feed ourselves, etc.   Yet, it is 
"bothersome" to you all? 
>
>I am dumbfounded.Discussions about WiMax vs UBNT vs 802.11 or 
license-lite or even the best networking standards and construction 
standards are all important, but they mean absolutely nothing if we 
experience a global version of Greece and Portugal's recent little 
debacles.Do you know how far we are from it?Inches.   Literally.
The United States government has a lower credit rating than a number of 
large financial firms.If you do not comprehend what that means, and 
how utterly imperative it is that WHOLESALE political change happen 
IMMEDIATELY, then you're just whistling in the dark.   
>
>This list, if it manages to survive after one of those, will be little 
more than each of us sharing our "collapse" story.   
>
>How that can possibly be separated from "business", and we're all in 
"business" is... well, it cannot be.  Either we become political, or we 
all suffer. 
>
>Currency collapse, or national default would INSTANTLY end most 
importation ,and we, as WISP's would be so utterly out of luck - and out 
of everything else, too. 
>
>If you're going to be so closed minded as to think you need pay no 
attention, then you deserve the consequences.  
>
>But I DO NOT deserve the consequences of your failure to use a little 
gray matter, nor does anyone else.   As businesspeople, WE ARE 
supposedly the leadership of our nation.There IS NO SPACE between 
business and politics at this moment.   Business IS politics, as the 
politicians have decided to control business and the economy.   I don't 
care if you don't like it.   I don't care if you want to pretend you can 
ignore it.   I don't care if you don't agree with my ideology, but 
unless we are ALL willing to stick up for our ability to operate a 
business, we'll have none.   
>
>I have NOT gone looking for this fight.YOU did not go looking for 
this fight.   They brought the fight to us, and we're now the bad guys 
in the world.   They brought the fight, they brought the big guns ,and 
they bring the laws, and they have brought into almost every detail of 
your daily business now.   Why on earth do you think you can 'put it on 
another list'?There's not some other plane of business we can 
operate on where reality isn't going to intrude.  
>
>Welcome to hell.   Either we all figh

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[MDK]

The operating ideology of the current Congress, President, and associated 
agencies which deeply affect our business, our industry, our ability to even BE 
in business is definitely of no concern when it comes to us as wireless 
operators.

Got it. 

And with that I remind you that sticking your head in the sand does NOT stop 
the waves from crashing over you.  

This is the single most important thing, PERIOD, in our long term ability to 
remain in business, feed ourselves, etc.   Yet, it is "bothersome" to you all? 

I am dumbfounded.Discussions about WiMax vs UBNT vs 802.11 or license-lite 
or even the best networking standards and construction standards are all 
important, but they mean absolutely nothing if we experience a global version 
of Greece and Portugal's recent little debacles.Do you know how far we are 
from it?Inches.   Literally.The United States government has a lower 
credit rating than a number of large financial firms.If you do not 
comprehend what that means, and how utterly imperative it is that WHOLESALE 
political change happen IMMEDIATELY, then you're just whistling in the dark.   

This list, if it manages to survive after one of those, will be little more 
than each of us sharing our "collapse" story.   

How that can possibly be separated from "business", and we're all in "business" 
is... well, it cannot be.  Either we become political, or we all suffer. 

Currency collapse, or national default would INSTANTLY end most importation 
,and we, as WISP's would be so utterly out of luck - and out of everything 
else, too. 

If you're going to be so closed minded as to think you need pay no attention, 
then you deserve the consequences.  

But I DO NOT deserve the consequences of your failure to use a little gray 
matter, nor does anyone else.   As businesspeople, WE ARE supposedly the 
leadership of our nation.There IS NO SPACE between business and politics at 
this moment.   Business IS politics, as the politicians have decided to control 
business and the economy.   I don't care if you don't like it.   I don't care 
if you want to pretend you can ignore it.   I don't care if you don't agree 
with my ideology, but unless we are ALL willing to stick up for our ability to 
operate a business, we'll have none.   

I have NOT gone looking for this fight.YOU did not go looking for this 
fight.   They brought the fight to us, and we're now the bad guys in the world. 
  They brought the fight, they brought the big guns ,and they bring the laws, 
and they have brought into almost every detail of your daily business now.   
Why on earth do you think you can 'put it on another list'?There's not some 
other plane of business we can operate on where reality isn't going to intrude. 
 

Welcome to hell.   Either we all fight like it, or we're all going to live like 
it. 







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From: Jack Unger 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:47 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]


Hello RickG, 

Thank-you for expressing your opinion. The following is my opinion. 

The tax information from WISPA's accountant that Rick Harnish followed up with 
and provided to the list is certainly useful and authoritative information that 
every WISP should know. 

Posters to this free (open to non-Members) list and to any WISPA list for that 
matter need to have the maturity to understand the difference between useful 
business-related information and personal, opinionated political posturing. 
Mark Koskenmaki has unfortunately demonstrated over and over again throughout 
the years that he is unable to separate his WISP business-related posts from 
his personal, anti-government political posts. I addressed my concern about his 
latest post in a private, off-list email to Rick Harnish. 

I won't waste anyone's time by re-posting Mark's latest political ranting that 
I consider to be wildly out-of-line. I will however continue to speak up when 
serial offenders such as Mark (i.e., "muddy frogwater") continue to post 
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Re: [WISPA] Nyssa, OR coverage?

[Matt Jenkins]

You give 1024kbps upload on the basic but only 256k on the premium 
packages? That seems strange...

David wrote:
> We do 
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Re: [WISPA] Nyssa, OR coverage?

[David]

We do 

Call us 208-344-3837

David

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[WISPA] Nyssa, OR coverage?

[Tom Sharples]

Anyone cover Nyssa? Please let me know asap, thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 19:45 -0430, Greg Ihnen wrote: 
> Are you talking about a static config, or a script which 
> does decision making and changes parameters?

Greg,
The configuration is static, however there's a lot of intelligence built
into this new approach.  This script (which is Mikrotik specific)
watches traffic and will dynamically shift a stream from one priority to
another depending on the behavior of that stream.  It will dynamically
alter how it handles a particular customer's traffic depending upon
other behavior patterns it sees from that customer (this allows us to
react to "probable encrypted bit torrent" scenarios).  It handles
streaming video (youtube, netflix, google video, hulu, online tv
stations) intelligently.  There is more, but this is just an overview...

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Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

[Josh Luthman]

>It is RouterOS Specific (currently).  I am in the process of porting it
>to Linux (ImageStream).

Let me know when this is done!

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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Butch Evans  wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 14:27 -0700, Jason Wallace wrote:
> > 1. His script seems to be tailored for RouterOS;
>
> It is RouterOS Specific (currently).  I am in the process of porting it
> to Linux (ImageStream).
>
> > he mentions that the script uses the PCQ qdisc (which is RouterOS
> > only) and my router is linux based.
>
> No longer using PCQ.  Perhaps I should update that blog...(I'll do that
> when I get "a round tuit")  Currently, the script is using RED qdisc and
> seems to be MUCH more friendly to the lower end routers.
>
> > 2. It sounds like it was built to control the flows in a macroscopic
> > network-wide way, I will need the filters to be applied to every IP
> > individually.
>
> This is exactly correct.  It was not intended to be a per user approach.
> The system is (currently) about 130 mangle rules.
>
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Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 14:27 -0700, Jason Wallace wrote:
> 1. His script seems to be tailored for RouterOS; 

It is RouterOS Specific (currently).  I am in the process of porting it
to Linux (ImageStream).  

> he mentions that the script uses the PCQ qdisc (which is RouterOS
> only) and my router is linux based.

No longer using PCQ.  Perhaps I should update that blog...(I'll do that
when I get "a round tuit")  Currently, the script is using RED qdisc and
seems to be MUCH more friendly to the lower end routers.

> 2. It sounds like it was built to control the flows in a macroscopic
> network-wide way, I will need the filters to be applied to every IP
> individually.

This is exactly correct.  It was not intended to be a per user approach.
The system is (currently) about 130 mangle rules.

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Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[Robert West]

I think Butch Evans would be to Guru you're looking for.

www.butchevans.com

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:17 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for mobile
broadband in 7 police units.  Would anyone that has successfully completed
such a project mind giving us some advice to start.

Thanks

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[WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[Patrick D. Nix, Jr]

We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for mobile 
broadband in 7 police units.  Would anyone that has successfully completed such 
a project mind giving us some advice to start.

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] New WISP

[Josh Luthman]

 >One thing to mention: You don't have to offer the fastest speed or the
>lowest price. Being reliable is much more valuable in the long run.
>There is that 5-10% that will always go for the fastest or cheapest. In
>my opinion they are not the customers you want because they take up more
>support and billing time than they are worth to deal with.

Don't forget about *Customer Service*.

Obviously excluding the same 5% people want to talk to someone to get
something taken care of.  Someone on the other end of the phone saying
something is bad is infinitely better then putting them on hold for hours.
In my experience, if you have a problem with your AT&T/Verizon service you
spend at minimum 30 minutes of time.  Time Warner Cable is usually a lot
better with the super secret business class number (5 minutes of hold at the
most, then the account look up...).

That's just good business, which I expect you have already learned with your
other ventures, but I feel this had to be brought up.

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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

> There is no all in one product to be a WISP. You need to evaluate your
> area against potential equipment. Once you decide which equipment will
> work best in your environment then you need to piece together a back end
> management, billing, customer support, network monitoring, alerting,
> scheduling, installation, and others system.
>
> The first step is to determine what type of environment you are working
> in. Then analyze what spectrum is available, then determine what
> equipment will work best in that environment to provide competitive
> service and speeds. Is your market residential, business or both? Is
> your environment city, metro, farm, mountain, rural, covered in foliage,
> etc? Are there other WISPs in the area? What do they use? What do they
> offer? Is it worth trying to compete with them?
>
> One thing to mention: You don't have to offer the fastest speed or the
> lowest price. Being reliable is much more valuable in the long run.
> There is that 5-10% that will always go for the fastest or cheapest. In
> my opinion they are not the customers you want because they take up more
> support and billing time than they are worth to deal with.
>
> This is just a few points I can think of off the top of my head.
>
> - Matt
>
> Liam Cummings wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying
> > to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks.
> >
> > 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate
> >
> > 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment
> >
> >
> >
> > We would love to here your thoughts.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any input would be much appreciated! :-)
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] New WISP

[Matt Jenkins]

There is no all in one product to be a WISP. You need to evaluate your 
area against potential equipment. Once you decide which equipment will 
work best in your environment then you need to piece together a back end 
management, billing, customer support, network monitoring, alerting, 
scheduling, installation, and others system.

The first step is to determine what type of environment you are working 
in. Then analyze what spectrum is available, then determine what 
equipment will work best in that environment to provide competitive 
service and speeds. Is your market residential, business or both? Is 
your environment city, metro, farm, mountain, rural, covered in foliage, 
etc? Are there other WISPs in the area? What do they use? What do they 
offer? Is it worth trying to compete with them?

One thing to mention: You don't have to offer the fastest speed or the 
lowest price. Being reliable is much more valuable in the long run. 
There is that 5-10% that will always go for the fastest or cheapest. In 
my opinion they are not the customers you want because they take up more 
support and billing time than they are worth to deal with.

This is just a few points I can think of off the top of my head.

- Matt

Liam Cummings wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying
> to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 
> 
> 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate
> 
> 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment
> 
>  
> 
> We would love to here your thoughts.
> 
>  
> 
> Any input would be much appreciated! :-)
> 
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Jack Unger]

Hello RickG, 

Thank-you for expressing your opinion. The following is my opinion. 

The tax information from WISPA's accountant that Rick Harnish followed
up with and provided to the list is certainly useful and authoritative
information that every WISP should know. 

Posters to this free (open to non-Members) list and to any WISPA list
for that matter need to have the maturity to understand the difference
between useful business-related information and personal, opinionated
political posturing. Mark Koskenmaki has unfortunately demonstrated
over and over again throughout the years that he is unable to separate
his WISP business-related posts from his personal, anti-government
political posts. I addressed my concern about his latest post in a
private, off-list email to Rick Harnish. 

I won't waste anyone's time by re-posting Mark's latest political
ranting that I consider to be wildly out-of-line. I will however
continue to speak up when serial offenders such as Mark (i.e., "muddy
frogwater") continue to post content on WISPA lists that, in reality,
belongs elsewhere, on a political list.

I also ask that in the future, you (RickG) act more responsibly by not
quoting me out of context from a private email that I sent to another
so that you can make your political points. If you can't make your
business-related point based on the non-political, business information
contained in another's post, then perhaps you need some additional
practice keeping your focus on business matters and off of political
posturing. 

It is to Rick Harnish's (WISPA's President) great credit that he was
willing and able to take two "lemons" (Mark's irresponsible post and my
private email expressing concern) and make "lemonade" out of them by
forwarding the business information to WISPA's accountant and posting
the accountant's response on-list for Members and non-Members alike to
benefit from. 

THE BOTTOM LINE - 

1. I will continue to address posting abuse when it occurs on WISPA
lists. 

2. WISPA has just provided valuable business-related tax information
for WISPA Members and non-Members alike. 

Respectfully, 

Jack Unger
WISPA Director and Chair of FCC Committee
818-227-4220



RickG wrote:

  "little to do with wireless". -Jack

Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to
"wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl,
satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed
relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go
to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a
WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can
be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint.
Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that
doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced.
If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in
the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the
messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not.
Just my .02
-RickG

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
  
  
Stuart,

I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the list
and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article to
the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.

I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have seen
things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we can't
control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this list,
which is not something we wish to do.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish



  -Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
business.

Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on
internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?

-- Original Message --
From: "Rick Harnish" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400

  
  
The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow

  
  the
  
  
directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.





1)      Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning

  
  then One
  
  

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Brian Webster]

Well this puts in to place all the framework they need to track a value
added tax and/or for the states to track all those transactions you do on
the Internet where you are supposed to voluntarily pay your respective state
sales tax if they have one………. Yes we have change folks……….

 



Brian

 

From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:51 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New
IRS rules]

 

Here is the word from WISPA’s CPA.  I have his permission to relay this
document.  I suggest that each of you consult with your own accountant/CPA
for suggestions on what can be done to prevent this and begin getting the
word out to others in your communities that may be unaware of this language
in the Health Bill.  For those of you that are seeing this email for the
first time, the article is at the bottom of this thread which was originated
on the wireless@wispa.org list.

 

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

 

From: gregcharl...@krehbielcpa.com [mailto:gregcharl...@krehbielcpa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:34 AM
To: Rick Harnish
Subject: Re: 

 

Rick,

 

Your information is absolutely correct - this is effective 1/1/2012 and will
be a huge burden collecting all the addresses, id #'s etc to do this - plus
postage.  In WISPA's case, quickbooks will do a good job of organizing the
information and collecting the amounts to report during the year - once the
addresses and id #'s are collected.

 

Attached is a word document out of our research software that describes this
in detail.


Greg Charlton
 Krehbiel & Associates, LLC
 PO Box 846 
 125 N. 11th
 Mt. Vernon, IL  62864
 Phone 618-244-2666
 Fax 618-244-2372
 E-Mail gregcharl...@krehbielcpa.com

 


CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED TRANSMISSION 
 
The message included with this e-mail and any attached document(s) contains
information from the accounting firm of KREHBIEL & ASSOCIATES, LLC which is
confidential and/or privileged.  This information is intended to be for the
use of the addressee named on this transmittal sheet.  If you are not the
addressee, note that any disclosure or use of the contents of this e-mail
information is prohibited.  If you have received this e-mail in error,
please notify us by telephone (collect) at (618) 244-2666 immediately. 
IRS Circular 230 Disclaimer:  Any written advice contained in this e-mail is
not intended or written, and cannot be used by any person, for the purpose
of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed on any person under the
provisions of the I.R.C

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Rick Harnish   

To: gregcharl...@krehbielcpa.com 

Cc: 'WISPA Board Members List'   

Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:05 AM

 

Greg,

 

I would like to request a formal opinion concerning 1099 rules included in
the new Health Bill.  I have pasted an article below that has produced quite
a bit of discussion and disagreement.  

 

If companies are required to issue 1099’s to each vendor they purchase more
than $600 in payments.  Is this correct and if so, when does it take affect?
It does seem to me like an enormous burden on all business in the USA.  

 

Thank you,

Rick Harnish

President

WISPA

 

 

 


 

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 Costly IRS Mandate Slipped into Health Bill


Posted by   Chris Edwards

Most people know about the individual mandate in the new health care bill,
but the bill contained another mandate that could be far more costly.

A few wording changes to the tax code’s section 6041 regarding 1099
reporting were slipped into the 2000-page health legislation. The changes
will force millions of businesses to issue hundreds of millions, perhaps
billions, of additional IRS Form 1099s every year. It appears to be a
costly, anti-business nightmare.

Under current law, businesses are required to issue 1099s in a limited set
of situations, such as when paying outside consultants. The health care bill
includes a vast expansion in this information reporting requirement in an
attempt to raise revenue for an increasingly rapacious Congress.

In a recent summary,   tax information firm
RIA notes the types of transactions covered by the new 1099 rules:

The 2010 Health Care Act adds “amounts in consideration for property” (Code
Sec. 6041(a) as amended by 2010 Health Care Act §9006(b)(1)) and “gross
proceeds” (Code Sec. 6041(a) as amended by 2010 Health Care Act §9006(b)(2))
to the pre-2010 Health Care Act categories of payments for wh

Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

[Mark Nash - Lists]

Please do quit, Mark.

- Original Message - 
From: "MDK" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:40 PM
Subject: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules


> http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped-into-health-bill/
>
> It requires 1099's for EVERY entity you do more than $600 business with a
> year.
>
> Gas station.  Walmart, your landlord, a $700 used car or truck.Ebay
> purchases, ALL require 1099's now if you go over $600 a year.
>
> That's almost enough for me to throw up my hands and say "I quit".
>
> Frankly, we should all just quit.   For a week.   Or a month.Call up 
> the
> White House and say "you want it so bad, well now you got it, we quit".
> When about 50 million of us do that, perhaps the administration will 
> realize
> it should consult someone besides insane marxists as it concerns business
> and economics.
>
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[lakeland]

Ok. The truth sucks.  Another government burden on joe business.  What a PITA
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman 
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:02:42 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

I agree completely.

WISPA is an association for Wireless ISPs.  Billing is a pretty big factor
in a WISP.  The name behind the list is "General" so I feel it is completely
on topic.

I would ask that we don't bounce back and forth saying this is or is not the
case.  Find the truth, the facts, then share.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:56 AM, RickG  wrote:

> "little to do with wireless". -Jack
>
> Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to
> "wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl,
> satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed
> relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go
> to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a
> WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can
> be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint.
> Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that
> doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced.
> If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in
> the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the
> messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not.
> Just my .02
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
> > Stuart,
> >
> > I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the
> list
> > and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
> > disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article
> to
> > the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
> > discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.
> >
> > I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have
> seen
> > things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
> > join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
> > professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we
> can't
> > control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this
> list,
> > which is not something we wish to do.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Rick Harnish
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
> >>
> >> Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
> >> does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
> >> business.
> >>
> >> Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on
> >> internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?
> >>
> >> -- Original Message --
> >> From: "Rick Harnish" 
> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> >> Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400
> >>
> >> >The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow
> >> the
> >> >directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >1)  Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning
> >> then One
> >> >Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >> >2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA
> >> Lists)
> >> >3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >> >4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One
> >> Week
> >> >Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >> >5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then
> >> an
> >> >Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated)
> >> >6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval.
> >> (Send
> >> >requests to http://contact.wispa.org/)
> >> >7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list
> >> members are
> >> >to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/
> >> >8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at
> >> >http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Code of Ethics
> >> >
> >> >The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the
> >> highest
> >> >standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership
> >> in the
> >> >Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of
> >> >experience, stability, integrity and competence.
> >> >
> >> >ARTICLE I
> >> >Member

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Josh Luthman]

I agree completely.

WISPA is an association for Wireless ISPs.  Billing is a pretty big factor
in a WISP.  The name behind the list is "General" so I feel it is completely
on topic.

I would ask that we don't bounce back and forth saying this is or is not the
case.  Find the truth, the facts, then share.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:56 AM, RickG  wrote:

> "little to do with wireless". -Jack
>
> Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to
> "wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl,
> satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed
> relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go
> to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a
> WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can
> be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint.
> Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that
> doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced.
> If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in
> the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the
> messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not.
> Just my .02
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
> > Stuart,
> >
> > I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the
> list
> > and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
> > disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article
> to
> > the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
> > discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.
> >
> > I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have
> seen
> > things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
> > join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
> > professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we
> can't
> > control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this
> list,
> > which is not something we wish to do.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Rick Harnish
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
> >>
> >> Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
> >> does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
> >> business.
> >>
> >> Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on
> >> internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?
> >>
> >> -- Original Message --
> >> From: "Rick Harnish" 
> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> >> Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400
> >>
> >> >The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow
> >> the
> >> >directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >1)  Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning
> >> then One
> >> >Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >> >2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA
> >> Lists)
> >> >3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >> >4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One
> >> Week
> >> >Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >> >5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then
> >> an
> >> >Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated)
> >> >6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval.
> >> (Send
> >> >requests to http://contact.wispa.org/)
> >> >7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list
> >> members are
> >> >to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/
> >> >8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at
> >> >http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Code of Ethics
> >> >
> >> >The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the
> >> highest
> >> >standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership
> >> in the
> >> >Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of
> >> >experience, stability, integrity and competence.
> >> >
> >> >ARTICLE I
> >> >Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the
> >> business
> >> >and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional
> >> >relationships.
> >> >
> >> >ARTICLE II
> >> >
> >> >We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our
> >> >industry and 

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[RickG]

"little to do with wireless". -Jack

Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to
"wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl,
satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed
relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go
to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a
WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can
be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint.
Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that
doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced.
If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in
the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the
messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not.
Just my .02
-RickG

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
> Stuart,
>
> I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the list
> and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
> disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article to
> the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
> discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.
>
> I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have seen
> things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
> join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
> professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we can't
> control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this list,
> which is not something we wish to do.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rick Harnish
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
>>
>> Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
>> does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
>> business.
>>
>> Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on
>> internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Rick Harnish" 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400
>>
>> >The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow
>> the
>> >directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >1)      Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning
>> then One
>> >Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
>> >2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA
>> Lists)
>> >3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
>> >4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One
>> Week
>> >Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
>> >5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then
>> an
>> >Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated)
>> >6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval.
>> (Send
>> >requests to http://contact.wispa.org/)
>> >7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list
>> members are
>> >to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/
>> >8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at
>> >http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Code of Ethics
>> >
>> >The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the
>> highest
>> >standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership
>> in the
>> >Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of
>> >experience, stability, integrity and competence.
>> >
>> >ARTICLE I
>> >Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the
>> business
>> >and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional
>> >relationships.
>> >
>> >ARTICLE II
>> >
>> >We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our
>> >industry and enhance its reputation. Accordingly, WISPA encourages all
>> >wireless operators to comply with all applicable FCC rules and
>> regulations,
>> >including using only FCC-certified wireless equipment, filing FCC Form
>> 477,
>> >and abiding by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement
>> (CALEA)
>> >requirements. WISPA encourages all wireless operators who are not
>> fully
>> >compliant to work to come into compliance as soon as it is possible
>> for them
>> >to do so.
>> >
>> >ARTICLE III
>> >
>> >We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the
>> >dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and
>> >promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor.
>> >
>> >ARTICLE IV
>> >
>> >We will strive to broaden publi

Re: [WISPA] 45g tower wind load specs

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I believe it was 3/16 for the bottom 4 and 1/4 for the top set and I 
think the anchors are 136 foot from the base.

Brian

On 4/26/2010 12:18 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote:
> What size guy wire did you use and how far away are the anchors?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Cameron Kilton
> Project Manager
> Midcoast Internet Solutions
> http://www.midcoast.com
> c...@midcoast.com
> (207) 594-8277 x 108
>
> On 4/26/2010 10:04 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>
>> I'm having a terrible time finding what kind of wind load my 170ft tower
>> will take.  Anyone have a spec sheet to forward me?
>>
>> Brian
>>
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Rick Harnish]

Stuart,

I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the list
and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article to
the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.

I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have seen
things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we can't
control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this list,
which is not something we wish to do.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish 

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
> 
> Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
> does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
> business.
> 
> Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on
> internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Rick Harnish" 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400
> 
> >The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow
> the
> >directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >1)  Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning
> then One
> >Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA
> Lists)
> >3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One
> Week
> >Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then
> an
> >Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated)
> >6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval.
> (Send
> >requests to http://contact.wispa.org/)
> >7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list
> members are
> >to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/
> >8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at
> >http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3
> >
> >
> >
> >Code of Ethics
> >
> >The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the
> highest
> >standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership
> in the
> >Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of
> >experience, stability, integrity and competence.
> >
> >ARTICLE I
> >Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the
> business
> >and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional
> >relationships.
> >
> >ARTICLE II
> >
> >We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our
> >industry and enhance its reputation. Accordingly, WISPA encourages all
> >wireless operators to comply with all applicable FCC rules and
> regulations,
> >including using only FCC-certified wireless equipment, filing FCC Form
> 477,
> >and abiding by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement
> (CALEA)
> >requirements. WISPA encourages all wireless operators who are not
> fully
> >compliant to work to come into compliance as soon as it is possible
> for them
> >to do so.
> >
> >ARTICLE III
> >
> >We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the
> >dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and
> >promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor.
> >
> >ARTICLE IV
> >
> >We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public
> regard and
> >confidence in our Industry.
> >
> >ARTICLE V
> >
> >In keeping with this dedication to principle, the members of the
> Association
> >have further pledged to:
> >
> >a) Follow through and complete any agreement made verbally or
> otherwise to
> >either another member of the Association or to any client or
> prospective
> >client.
> >
> >b) Deal fairly with the public and with fellow professionals, giving
> due
> >respect to the rights and legitimate interests of others.
> >
> >c) Respect the rights of the owners of intellectual properties.
> >
> >d) Not knowingly disseminate false or misleading information and shall
> act
> >promptly to correct erroneous communications for which they are
> responsible.
> >
> >e) Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks
> are
> >restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the
> tenets of
> >reasonable precaution.
> >
> >f) Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or
> >prospective clients

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Stuart Pierce]

Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it does have 
information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any business.

Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on internet 
access that they extended back in November 2008 ?

-- Original Message --
From: "Rick Harnish" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400

>The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow the
>directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>1)  Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning then One
>Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
>2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
>3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
>4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One Week
>Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
>5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then an
>Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated) 
>6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval. (Send
>requests to http://contact.wispa.org/) 
>7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list members are
>to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/ 
>8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at
>http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3 
>
> 
>
>Code of Ethics
>
>The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the highest
>standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership in the
>Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of
>experience, stability, integrity and competence.
>
>ARTICLE I
>Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the business
>and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional
>relationships.
>
>ARTICLE II
>
>We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our
>industry and enhance its reputation. Accordingly, WISPA encourages all
>wireless operators to comply with all applicable FCC rules and regulations,
>including using only FCC-certified wireless equipment, filing FCC Form 477,
>and abiding by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement (CALEA)
>requirements. WISPA encourages all wireless operators who are not fully
>compliant to work to come into compliance as soon as it is possible for them
>to do so.
>
>ARTICLE III
>
>We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the
>dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and
>promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor.
>
>ARTICLE IV
>
>We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public regard and
>confidence in our Industry.
>
>ARTICLE V
>
>In keeping with this dedication to principle, the members of the Association
>have further pledged to:
>
>a) Follow through and complete any agreement made verbally or otherwise to
>either another member of the Association or to any client or prospective
>client.
>
>b) Deal fairly with the public and with fellow professionals, giving due
>respect to the rights and legitimate interests of others.
>
>c) Respect the rights of the owners of intellectual properties.
>
>d) Not knowingly disseminate false or misleading information and shall act
>promptly to correct erroneous communications for which they are responsible.
>
>e) Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks are
>restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the tenets of
>reasonable precaution.
>
>f) Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or
>prospective clients.
>
>g) Respond to any complaint or violations filed with the Association and
>participate in all processes and procedures of the Association with respect
>to that complaint.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: Jack Unger [mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:07 PM
>To: Rick Harnish
>Subject: [Fwd: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
>
> 
>
>Rick,
>
>Is it appropriate to ban Mr. Mark Koskenmaki from our "general" wireless
>list. He seems to habitually troll that listserv planting provocative
>political posts that have little to do with wireless?
>
>What is our policy?
>
>jack
>
>
>
> Original Message  
>
>
>Subject: 
>
>[WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules
>
>
>Date: 
>
>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:40:21 -0700
>
>
>From: 
>
>MDK   
>
>
>Reply-To: 
>
>WISPA General List   
>
>
>To: 
>
>WISPA General List   
>
>
>References: 
>
> 
>
>
><20100428173336.11249d152...@junkmail.mvn.net>
>
>
>
> 
>
>http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-s

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Rick Harnish]

The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow the
directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.

 

 

1)  Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning then One
Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One Week
Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then an
Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated) 
6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval. (Send
requests to http://contact.wispa.org/) 
7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list members are
to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/ 
8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3 

 

Code of Ethics

The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the highest
standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership in the
Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of
experience, stability, integrity and competence.

ARTICLE I
Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the business
and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional
relationships.

ARTICLE II

We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our
industry and enhance its reputation. Accordingly, WISPA encourages all
wireless operators to comply with all applicable FCC rules and regulations,
including using only FCC-certified wireless equipment, filing FCC Form 477,
and abiding by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement (CALEA)
requirements. WISPA encourages all wireless operators who are not fully
compliant to work to come into compliance as soon as it is possible for them
to do so.

ARTICLE III

We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the
dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and
promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor.

ARTICLE IV

We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public regard and
confidence in our Industry.

ARTICLE V

In keeping with this dedication to principle, the members of the Association
have further pledged to:

a) Follow through and complete any agreement made verbally or otherwise to
either another member of the Association or to any client or prospective
client.

b) Deal fairly with the public and with fellow professionals, giving due
respect to the rights and legitimate interests of others.

c) Respect the rights of the owners of intellectual properties.

d) Not knowingly disseminate false or misleading information and shall act
promptly to correct erroneous communications for which they are responsible.

e) Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks are
restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the tenets of
reasonable precaution.

f) Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or
prospective clients.

g) Respond to any complaint or violations filed with the Association and
participate in all processes and procedures of the Association with respect
to that complaint.

 

 

From: Jack Unger [mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:07 PM
To: Rick Harnish
Subject: [Fwd: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

 

Rick,

Is it appropriate to ban Mr. Mark Koskenmaki from our "general" wireless
list. He seems to habitually troll that listserv planting provocative
political posts that have little to do with wireless?

What is our policy?

jack



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Subject: 

[WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules


Date: 

Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:40:21 -0700


From: 

MDK   


Reply-To: 

WISPA General List   


To: 

WISPA General List   


References: 

 


<20100428173336.11249d152...@junkmail.mvn.net>



 

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped-into-he
alth-bill/
 
It requires 1099's for EVERY entity you do more than $600 business with a 
year.
 
Gas station.  Walmart, your landlord, a $700 used car or truck.Ebay 
purchases, ALL require 1099's now if you go over $600 a year.
 
That's almost enough for me to throw up my hands and say "I quit".
 
Frankly, we should all just quit.   For a week.   Or a month.Call up the

White House and say "you want it so bad, well now you got it, we quit". 
When about 50 million of us do that, perhaps the administration will realize

it should consult someone beside

Re: [WISPA] QOS tc filter examples

[Christophe Lucas]

Jason Wallace (supp...@azii.net) a écrit le [28/04/10 à 23:28]:
> Rick,
> I had considered that.  Then I read Butch's blog about when he developed
> it, and there were a few things that I think would prevent it from working
> correctly in my network:
> 1. His script seems to be tailored for RouterOS; he mentions that the script
> uses the PCQ qdisc (which is RouterOS only) and my router is linux based.
> 2. It sounds like it was built to control the flows in a macroscopic
> network-wide way, I will need the filters to be applied to every IP
> individually.
> 
> I could start with his script, but I'd have to do a lot of rewriting, I 
> think. 
> The router I have is just loafing and I really don't want another box to do
> this if I don't have to.
> 
> Jason

Hi Jason,

What do you exactly want to do ?
Traffic shape on IP ? ports ?
On what kind of device ? Linux ? Mikrotik ?
Sure it is Linux, by you question.

You may considered in first stage to MARK packets which are important for
your business.

And then filtered them by means of filters. Consider IMQ if you want to
traffic shape ingress and egress.

I have some scripts for this kind of stuff : 'ppp customers with
different type of service : std, p-t-p, voip' on linux routers.

Regards,
-- 
Christophe Lucas - Network Engineer - c.lu...@infosat.tm.fr
Tel : +33(0)974.762.595 - Fax : +33(0)2.35.63.48.22


> 
> 
> 
> RickG wrote:
> 
> Contact Butch Evans, pay small amount for his script, problem solved! 
> -RickG
> 
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Jason Wallace  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am finding that I need to improve the QOS of my network (I picked 
> up a
> few customers with lots of teens, etc).  Right now I use tc rules to
> limit everyone to the contracted speeds, but would like to use tc 
> filter
> rules to give KNOWN GOOD traffic a good priority and UNKNOWN traffic a
> lesser priority.  This will probably be done for each individual ip
> address (this is how it's set up right now).
> 
> Does anyone know where I can find some examples of tc filters that 
> will
> "catch" good traffic like html, dns, interactive, VOIP, maybe
> video/flash/streaming?
> 
> Also, can anyone direct me to a info on using tc/iptables to limit the
> number of connections per ip address?
> 
> Jason




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