Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

2010-08-19 Thread Blair Davis
I can't help with the politics, but based on experience, cash only... Sam Tetherow wrote: Rather than kill the thread, can we drag it back on topic, kicking and screaming if we have to. It appears that we have a group of people that are trying to put together some action that will bring

Re: [WISPA] State Resources Page

2010-08-19 Thread Charles N Wyble
Sorry. That was supposed to be off list. :( WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa

Re: [WISPA] UBNT Grounding

2010-08-19 Thread Blair Davis
Beldon 1300A cat5 cable and shielded connectors will solve 95% of UBNT static and lighting problems... RC wrote: got some feelers out on the forums.. I'll let you know. RC chris cooper wrote: We've had numerous storms here over the past couple of weeks. We have replace

Re: [WISPA] State Resources Page

2010-08-19 Thread Charles N Wyble
I'll be happy to take Southern California. Not currently a WISPA member, but hope to become one very soon. I've been able to have a fairly healthy discussion with small groups of people from the public list. Jack Unger lives not too far from me. Please let me know how I can assist. Rick Harnis

Re: [WISPA] pole attachment discussion

2010-08-19 Thread Blair Davis
Wow! Blake Bowers wrote: http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20100818/FACILITATORS/100819947/0 Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. --

[WISPA] pole attachment discussion

2010-08-19 Thread Blake Bowers
http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20100818/FACILITATORS/100819947/0 Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join toda

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Mike Hammett
It will regulate the traffic running through itself. It'll slow down a BitTorrent or video stream so your VoIP works. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/19/2010 3:47 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: >On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >> A

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
Congested. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:47 PM, "Leon D. Zetekoff" wrote: > On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >> Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the >> customer router to take advantage of the built in qos. > that won't help. y

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
I suggested that so if the local network was suggested. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:47 PM, "Leon D. Zetekoff" wrote: > On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >> Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the >> customer router to take advant

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Martha Huizenga
Thanks everyone for responding. We decided that we will split the connections into two Internet connections, so we can put the ATAs at the front of each network. Then there will be a repeater in the home, but it won't affect the ATA because that will be first in the network. Thanks! Martha

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 08/19/2010 03:57 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote: Ok, so the pingtest's he did today are: ping 36 jitter 50 packet loss 1% then ping 12 jitter 2 - packet loss 2% These were done 1 minute or so apart. There were some other suggestions about putting the ATA in front of the router. Unfortunately s

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the > customer router to take advantage of the built in qos. that won't help. you can't do QOS over the internet only within a private network leon

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
Jitter and packet loss are your problem. Ping time is fine. You might want to determine where the packet loss is. Is it the local wireless or your wireless. The jitter concerns me more than the packet loss. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote: > Ok, so the

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Martha Huizenga
Ok, so the pingtest's he did today are: ping 36 jitter 50 packet loss 1% then ping 12 jitter 2 - packet loss 2% These were done 1 minute or so apart. There were some other suggestions about putting the ATA in front of the router. Unfortunately since he has two Vonage systems this is only pos

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Cameron Kilton
Whenever the customer has VoIP and the ATA has a router, we try to put the ATA first. Saves a lot of heartache. -Cameron On 8/19/2010 3:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the > customer router to take advantage of the built in

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the customer router to take advantage of the built in qos. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > NAT itself, yes, but with the cheap $60 routers I'm sure they > manipulate all kinds of th

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Josh Luthman
NAT itself, yes, but with the cheap $60 routers I'm sure they manipulate all kinds of things. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > Usually if nat is the problem it causes one way a

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
Usually if nat is the problem it causes one way audio not poor audio quality. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters. > > Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients > > On Aug 19,

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Glenn Kelley
I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters. Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting > > Absolutely not true. I personally have many SPA2100 (sam

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Josh Luthman
>ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting Absolutely not true. I personally have many SPA2100 (same thing as spa2102 or pap2t-na in this discussion) that go: Public ip -> IS Rebel, nat 1 -> customer radio, nat 2 -> customer soho router, nat 3 -> ATA It is more dependent on you

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Glenn Kelley
I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29 a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more friendly Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on your equipment this may not be possible) nat on nat on Nat is really stinky

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Just a quick FYI.. ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting A lot of ATA's are "routers" as well, which means that they go thru NAT, and will not work behind another NAT router. Most of these devices will get across a NAT router by registering to a SIP Proxy Server, which kee

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Scott Lambert
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:13:01AM -0400, Martha Huizenga wrote: > hi all, > > We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office > was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and > one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Josh Luthman
They are natting three times at the customer site?! Get them closer to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing hell. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote: >

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Martha Huizenga
Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright. I had trouble with understanding them. Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC <

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Matt
> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was > somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for > Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as > follows: > > Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router

Re: [WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Jeremie Chism
What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing voice, no dial tone. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga wrote: > hi all, > > We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was > somewhere else we gave him

[WISPA] Vonage

2010-08-19 Thread Martha Huizenga
hi all, We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as follows: Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a ro

Re: [WISPA] Mesh

2010-08-19 Thread Ralph
I have done a lot of muni mesh and know of no cities they have. We played around with their Pacman-looking CPE device though. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:09 PM To: WISPA Ge

[WISPA] Raleigh NC

2010-08-19 Thread Mike Goicoechea
We are looking for assistance locally in the Chapel Hill, North Carolina area. Please contact me off list if you are either in the area or know anyone there. Best regards, Mike Goicoechea VP of Operations Cielo Systems International 806-977-9001 ext 101 806-763-1945 fax Skype Mike.G

[WISPA] Tranzeo EL-500ag

2010-08-19 Thread Phil Curnutt
Anybody using these and how do you like them? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wirele