Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

[Blair Davis]

I can't help with the politics, but based on experience, cash only...

Sam Tetherow wrote:

  Rather than kill the thread, can we drag it back on topic, kicking and 
screaming if we have to.

It appears that we have a group of people that are trying to put 
together some action that will bring broadband to reservations and they 
have asked for WISPA's input.  Whether they can be successful or not is 
yet to be seen but I would hate to see the discussion squelched just 
because a minority want to go off on tangents about social injustice 
perceived or otherwise.

Rick is looking for input from those that have dealt with tribal 
entities in the course of their business, good or bad, maybe we can get 
some pointers on how to handle it better, maybe we can get some 
references from an organization that is respected in the native 
community that will help smooth out some of the bumps, potholes or 
gaping chasms in the road to providing service to indian lands.

I for one would appreciate any assistance I could get in navigating 
tribal politics.

	Sam Tetherow
	Sandhills Wireless



On 08/13/2010 09:16 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
  
  
Wow. Can we kill this thread now before it erupts in flames?

Jerry Richardson
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On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:12 PM, "MDK"  wrote:



  YOu have it all wrong.

Suppose you live in a land where your culture is incapable of
dealing with
the rest of the world around it, but the "invaders" are bleeding
hearts who
"give" you land and let you try to "continue" your incompatible
culture
unchanged in a world where it is outdated, outmoded and incapable of
survival.   In which case, the powers that be grant you money to
live on
while you pretend to pursue the "preservation" of your dead and
unviable
culture.It leads to a mess, a huge mess, a world of despondency,
want,
dependency and hopelessness.

Ya'll need to understand that the indian wars were never over
land.The
"ownership" culture of the whole rest of the world was irrelevant.
Instead, the wars were fought over the idea that the world was being
transformed around them, and some believed they should fight it,
rather than
adjust.   IT was a fight over resources - the kind of inter-tribal
conflict
that had gone on for centuries untold - except it wasn't a fight
against
another tribe, it was a fight against a culture armed with knowledge,
technology, communication, law, and wealth.   And neither understood
it.

Had we handed the western half of the country to the "natives" and
just drew
a line around them and made it "do not cross" boundaries, the
failures of
the various cultures would still have occurred, and so would have the
diseases, and so on.And worse, people with less scruples than the
schmucks who "wrote treaties" with them, would have invaded for the
wealth
and simply wiped 'em out.

Sadly, reservations did nobody any favors, it perpetuated the myth
that
primitive culture can survive a modern world and that you can mix
the two
with impunity, using political considerations as the measuring cup.

We know that cultures CAN adapt to both the knowledge and science of
the
world around them, and can adapt to changes in ideas about rights and
ownership and written law, etc.   Modern indians want the consumer
trappings
of modern life... while living without the cultural qualities that
made it
possible to achieve them - or at least the reservation mentality
seeks to
keep it that way.

I've ranted long enough off topic...   Let's just leave at this :
Reservation mentality and attempts to "preserve" cultures unchanged
are
exercises in a level of imbecility so monumental, with results so
horrible,
it is simply a crime against humanity.




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Reservation

  
  
At 8/13/2010 04:15 PM, lakeland wrote:


  Hm. How do you become a soverign nation?
  

Well, you start by having a big country.  Then you get invaded and
settled by people with better weapons, and diseases that wipe out 90%
of your population. Then wars are fought which kill more of them and
take away more land, settled with treaties supposedly guaranteeing
them sovereignty on at least limited land.  Then the survivors are
forced off their land, at least all of the good land, into deserts
and small reservations, where they're mistreated for another
century.  Finally they get good lawyers and lobbyists and open
casinos.



  Sounds like its a lot better than being a WISP or an
Integrator.  :-)
  

When you add it all up, I don't really think so. :-(


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Re: [WISPA] State Resources Page

[Charles N Wyble]

Sorry. That was supposed to be off list. :(



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Re: [WISPA] UBNT Grounding

[Blair Davis]

Beldon 1300A cat5 cable and shielded connectors will solve 95% of UBNT
static and lighting problems...

RC wrote:

  got some feelers out on the forums.. I'll let you know.

RC


chris cooper wrote:
  
  
We've had numerous storms here over the past couple of weeks.  We have
replaced a box full of Nano and Bullets.  This leads me to believe that
our install practices might be improved.  How are others grounding these
units effectively?

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Re: [WISPA] State Resources Page

[Charles N Wyble]

I'll be happy to take Southern California.

Not currently a WISPA member, but hope to become one very soon. I've 
been able to have a fairly healthy discussion with small groups of 
people from the public list. Jack Unger lives not too far from me.

Please let me know how I can assist.

Rick Harnish wrote:
>
> Here is the new webpage resource I am currently working on in my spare 
> time.  http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=2867.  I am still looking for 
> additional volunteers to be a WISPA State Coordinator for the states 
> that are blank.
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Re: [WISPA] pole attachment discussion

[Blair Davis]

Wow!

Blake Bowers wrote:

  http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20100818/FACILITATORS/100819947/0
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[WISPA] pole attachment discussion

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http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20100818/FACILITATORS/100819947/0
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Mike Hammett]

  It will regulate the traffic running through itself.  It'll slow down 
a BitTorrent or video stream so your VoIP works.

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On 8/19/2010 3:47 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
>On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the 
>> customer router to take advantage of the built in qos.
> that won't help. you can't do QOS over the internet only within a
> private network
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Jeremie Chism]

Congested. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:47 PM, "Leon D. Zetekoff"  
wrote:

>  On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the 
>> customer router to take advantage of the built in qos.
> that won't help. you can't do QOS over the internet only within a 
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Jeremie Chism]

I suggested that so if the local network was suggested. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:47 PM, "Leon D. Zetekoff"  
wrote:

>  On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the 
>> customer router to take advantage of the built in qos.
> that won't help. you can't do QOS over the internet only within a 
> private network
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Martha Huizenga]

 Thanks everyone for responding.

We decided that we will split the connections into two Internet 
connections, so we can put the ATAs at the front of each network. Then 
there will be a repeater in the home, but it won't affect the ATA 
because that will be first in the network.


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On 8/19/2010 4:53 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:

On 08/19/2010 03:57 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote:

Ok, so the pingtest's he did today are:

ping 36 jitter 50 packet loss 1%
then
ping 12 jitter 2 - packet loss 2%

These were done 1 minute or so apart.

There were some other suggestions about putting the ATA in front of 
the router. Unfortunately since he has two Vonage systems this is 
only possible for one of these systems. He has two because one is 
home and the other is business, so it's not possible to get one that 
has 3 lines since he doesn't want to mix business with personal 
expenses. I doubt one box can be split into two accounts.


I haven't tried the port or protocol changes yet. Working on that next.
As others have said I would 86 all the extra NATs and have one router 
and disable NAT and stuff everywhere else. You can get 4 port and 
higher ATAs/gateways. Or you could roll out an Asterisk pbx (PiAF 
distro my favorite) and run everything through that. You could also 
get IP phones and there one phone you can have many line 
registrations. There are many options on the voice side. On the data 
end, eliminate all the riff-raff.


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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Leon D. Zetekoff]

 On 08/19/2010 03:57 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote:

Ok, so the pingtest's he did today are:

ping 36 jitter 50 packet loss 1%
then
ping 12 jitter 2 - packet loss 2%

These were done 1 minute or so apart.

There were some other suggestions about putting the ATA in front of 
the router. Unfortunately since he has two Vonage systems this is only 
possible for one of these systems. He has two because one is home and 
the other is business, so it's not possible to get one that has 3 
lines since he doesn't want to mix business with personal expenses. I 
doubt one box can be split into two accounts.


I haven't tried the port or protocol changes yet. Working on that next.
As others have said I would 86 all the extra NATs and have one router 
and disable NAT and stuff everywhere else. You can get 4 port and higher 
ATAs/gateways. Or you could roll out an Asterisk pbx (PiAF distro my 
favorite) and run everything through that. You could also get IP phones 
and there one phone you can have many line registrations. There are many 
options on the voice side. On the data end, eliminate all the riff-raff.


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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Leon D. Zetekoff]

  On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the 
> customer router to take advantage of the built in qos.
that won't help. you can't do QOS over the internet only within a 
private network

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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Jeremie Chism]

Jitter and packet loss are your problem. Ping time is fine. You might want to 
determine where the packet loss is. Is it the local wireless or your wireless. 
The jitter concerns me more than the packet loss. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:

> Ok, so the pingtest's he did today are:
> 
> ping 36 jitter 50 packet loss 1%
> then
> ping 12 jitter 2 - packet loss 2%
> 
> These were done 1 minute or so apart.
> 
> There were some other suggestions about putting the ATA in front of the 
> router. Unfortunately since he has two Vonage systems this is only possible 
> for one of these systems. He has two because one is home and the other is 
> business, so it's not possible to get one that has 3 lines since he doesn't 
> want to mix business with personal expenses. I doubt one box can be split 
> into two accounts.
> 
> I haven't tried the port or protocol changes yet. Working on that next. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Martha Huizenga
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> On 8/19/2010 1:15 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> 
>> Check pingtest.net and see what the latency and jitter numbers. Also he was 
>> right g729 will help if you are on g711. If you have high ping times 
>> it will introduce a delay in the voice transmission. If the jitter is high 
>> it could cause problems with reassembly on the other end causing the call to 
>> drop out. Since you are connecting through a wireless router I have seen 
>> other devices have similar problems due to poor signal strength (ex linksys 
>> wireless ip phone. ). Is it possible to plug the phone up at the front 
>> router and see if they have the same problem. Also what does the local 
>> traffic look like. Some qos might help that. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
>> 
>>> Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me 
>>> alright. I had trouble with understanding them.
>>> 
>>> Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the 
>>> main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
>>> 
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>>> On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 
 What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, 
 outgoing voice, no dial tone. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
 
> hi all,
> 
> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. 
> When his office was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the 
> vonage box and one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage 
> house the set up is as follows:
> 
> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is 
> connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to 
> the Vonage box.
> 
> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else 
> has a better understanding of this.
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Martha Huizenga]

 Ok, so the pingtest's he did today are:

ping 36 jitter 50 packet loss 1%
then
ping 12 jitter 2 - packet loss 2%

These were done 1 minute or so apart.

There were some other suggestions about putting the ATA in front of the 
router. Unfortunately since he has two Vonage systems this is only 
possible for one of these systems. He has two because one is home and 
the other is business, so it's not possible to get one that has 3 lines 
since he doesn't want to mix business with personal expenses. I doubt 
one box can be split into two accounts.


I haven't tried the port or protocol changes yet. Working on that next.

Thanks


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On 8/19/2010 1:15 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
Check pingtest.net  and see what the latency and 
jitter numbers. Also he was right g729 will help if you are on g711. 
If you have high ping times it will introduce a delay in the voice 
transmission. If the jitter is high it could cause problems with 
reassembly on the other end causing the call to drop out. Since you 
are connecting through a wireless router I have seen other devices 
have similar problems due to poor signal strength (ex linksys wireless 
ip phone. ). Is it possible to plug the phone up at the front router 
and see if they have the same problem. Also what does the local 
traffic look like. Some qos might help that.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Martha Huizenga > wrote:


Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me 
alright. I had trouble with understanding them.


Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off 
the main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.


Martha

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On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, 
outgoing voice, no dial tone.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga > wrote:



hi all,

We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his 
office was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the 
vonage box and one for Internet. At his new office, in his home 
carriage house the set up is as follows:


Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that 
router is connected to another repeater in the carriage house that 
is connected to the Vonage box.


I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone 
else has a better understanding of this.


Thanks

Martha
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Cameron Kilton]

Whenever the customer has VoIP and the ATA has a router, we try to put 
the ATA first. Saves a lot of heartache.


-Cameron

On 8/19/2010 3:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the 
> customer router to take advantage of the built in qos.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>
>> NAT itself, yes, but with the cheap $60 routers I'm sure they
>> manipulate all kinds of things.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>> Usually if nat is the problem it causes one way audio not poor audio
>>> quality.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>>>
>>> I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters.
>>> Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients
>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> ALL VOIP Adapters&  Phones, Do not like Double Natting
>>>
>>> Absolutely not true.  I personally have many SPA2100 (same thing as
>>> spa2102 or pap2t-na in this discussion) that go:
>>>
>>> Public ip ->  IS Rebel, nat 1 ->  customer radio, nat 2 ->  customer soho
>>> router, nat 3 ->  ATA
>>>
>>> It is more dependent on your voice gateway then it is the ATA, in my
>>> experience.  Asterisk wouldn't work at all.  Genband has been flawless
>>> since July 2006.  The phone room has a dozen of these little adapters
>>> and we've never had problems with them, only issue was a customer had
>>> some cheap phone and needed to replace it.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29
>>>
>>> a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more
>>>
>>> friendly
>>>
>>> Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on
>>>
>>> your equipment this may not be possible)
>>>
>>> nat on nat on Nat is really stinky
>>>
>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> They are natting three times at the customer site?!  Get them closer
>>>
>>> to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing
>>>
>>> hell.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>>
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>
>>> Suite 1337
>>>
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright.
>>>
>>> I had trouble with understanding them.
>>>
>>> Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the
>>>
>>> main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
>>>
>>> Martha
>>>
>>> Martha Huizenga
>>>
>>> DC Access, LLC
>>>
>>> 202-546-5898
>>>
>>> Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
>>>
>>> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>>>
>>> Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter
>>>
>>> On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>>
>>> What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing
>>>
>>> voice, no dial tone.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all,
>>>
>>> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
>>>
>>> somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
>>>
>>> Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
>>>
>>> follows:
>>>
>>> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is
>>>
>>> connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the
>>>
>>> Vonage box.
>>>
>>> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has
>>>
>>> a better understanding of this.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Martha
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Martha Huizenga
>>>
>>> DC Access, LLC
>>>
>>> 202-546-5898
>>>
>>> Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
>>>
>>> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>>>
>>> Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Jeremie Chism]

Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the 
customer router to take advantage of the built in qos. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> NAT itself, yes, but with the cheap $60 routers I'm sure they
> manipulate all kinds of things.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> Usually if nat is the problem it causes one way audio not poor audio
>> quality.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>> 
>> I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters.
>> Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>> ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting
>> 
>> Absolutely not true.  I personally have many SPA2100 (same thing as
>> spa2102 or pap2t-na in this discussion) that go:
>> 
>> Public ip -> IS Rebel, nat 1 -> customer radio, nat 2 -> customer soho
>> router, nat 3 -> ATA
>> 
>> It is more dependent on your voice gateway then it is the ATA, in my
>> experience.  Asterisk wouldn't work at all.  Genband has been flawless
>> since July 2006.  The phone room has a dozen of these little adapters
>> and we've never had problems with them, only issue was a customer had
>> some cheap phone and needed to replace it.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>> 
>> I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29
>> 
>> a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more
>> 
>> friendly
>> 
>> Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on
>> 
>> your equipment this may not be possible)
>> 
>> nat on nat on Nat is really stinky
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>> They are natting three times at the customer site?!  Get them closer
>> 
>> to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing
>> 
>> hell.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> 
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright.
>> 
>> I had trouble with understanding them.
>> 
>> Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the
>> 
>> main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
>> 
>> Martha
>> 
>> Martha Huizenga
>> 
>> DC Access, LLC
>> 
>> 202-546-5898
>> 
>> Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
>> 
>> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>> 
>> Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter
>> 
>> On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> 
>> What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing
>> 
>> voice, no dial tone.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
>> 
>> hi all,
>> 
>> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
>> 
>> somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
>> 
>> Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
>> 
>> follows:
>> 
>> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is
>> 
>> connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the
>> 
>> Vonage box.
>> 
>> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has
>> 
>> a better understanding of this.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Martha
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Martha Huizenga
>> 
>> DC Access, LLC
>> 
>> 202-546-5898
>> 
>> Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
>> 
>> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>> 
>> Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> 
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Josh Luthman]

NAT itself, yes, but with the cheap $60 routers I'm sure they
manipulate all kinds of things.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> Usually if nat is the problem it causes one way audio not poor audio
> quality.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>
> I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters.
> Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting
>
> Absolutely not true.  I personally have many SPA2100 (same thing as
> spa2102 or pap2t-na in this discussion) that go:
>
> Public ip -> IS Rebel, nat 1 -> customer radio, nat 2 -> customer soho
> router, nat 3 -> ATA
>
> It is more dependent on your voice gateway then it is the ATA, in my
> experience.  Asterisk wouldn't work at all.  Genband has been flawless
> since July 2006.  The phone room has a dozen of these little adapters
> and we've never had problems with them, only issue was a customer had
> some cheap phone and needed to replace it.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>
> I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29
>
> a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more
>
> friendly
>
> Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on
>
> your equipment this may not be possible)
>
> nat on nat on Nat is really stinky
>
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> They are natting three times at the customer site?!  Get them closer
>
> to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing
>
> hell.
>
> Josh Luthman
>
> Office: 937-552-2340
>
> Direct: 937-552-2343
>
> 1100 Wayne St
>
> Suite 1337
>
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga 
>
> wrote:
>
> Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright.
>
> I had trouble with understanding them.
>
> Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the
>
> main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
>
> Martha
>
> Martha Huizenga
>
> DC Access, LLC
>
> 202-546-5898
>
> Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
>
> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>
> Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter
>
> On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>
> What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing
>
> voice, no dial tone.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
>
> somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
>
> Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
>
> follows:
>
> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is
>
> connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the
>
> Vonage box.
>
> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has
>
> a better understanding of this.
>
> Thanks
>
> Martha
>
> --
>
> Martha Huizenga
>
> DC Access, LLC
>
> 202-546-5898
>
> Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
>
> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>
> Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter
>
>
> 
>
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>
> http://signup.wispa.org/
>
> 
>
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>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>
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>
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>
> 
>
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Jeremie Chism]

Usually if nat is the problem it causes one way audio not poor audio quality.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:

> I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters. 
> 
> Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients 
> 
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
>>> ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting
>> 
>> Absolutely not true.  I personally have many SPA2100 (same thing as
>> spa2102 or pap2t-na in this discussion) that go:
>> 
>> Public ip -> IS Rebel, nat 1 -> customer radio, nat 2 -> customer soho
>> router, nat 3 -> ATA
>> 
>> It is more dependent on your voice gateway then it is the ATA, in my
>> experience.  Asterisk wouldn't work at all.  Genband has been flawless
>> since July 2006.  The phone room has a dozen of these little adapters
>> and we've never had problems with them, only issue was a customer had
>> some cheap phone and needed to replace it.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>>> I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29
>>> a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more
>>> friendly
>>> Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on
>>> your equipment this may not be possible)
>>> nat on nat on Nat is really stinky
>>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are natting three times at the customer site?!  Get them closer
>>> to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing
>>> hell.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright.
>>> 
>>> I had trouble with understanding them.
>>> 
>>> Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the
>>> 
>>> main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
>>> 
>>> Martha
>>> 
>>> Martha Huizenga
>>> 
>>> DC Access, LLC
>>> 
>>> 202-546-5898
>>> 
>>> Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
>>> 
>>> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>>> 
>>> Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter
>>> 
>>> On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>> 
>>> What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing
>>> 
>>> voice, no dial tone.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi all,
>>> 
>>> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
>>> 
>>> somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
>>> 
>>> Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
>>> 
>>> follows:
>>> 
>>> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is
>>> 
>>> connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the
>>> 
>>> Vonage box.
>>> 
>>> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has
>>> 
>>> a better understanding of this.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Martha
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Martha Huizenga
>>> 
>>> DC Access, LLC
>>> 
>>> 202-546-5898
>>> 
>>> Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
>>> 
>>> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>>> 
>>> Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> 
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Glenn Kelley]

I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters. 

Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients 

On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

>> ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting
> 
> Absolutely not true.  I personally have many SPA2100 (same thing as
> spa2102 or pap2t-na in this discussion) that go:
> 
> Public ip -> IS Rebel, nat 1 -> customer radio, nat 2 -> customer soho
> router, nat 3 -> ATA
> 
> It is more dependent on your voice gateway then it is the ATA, in my
> experience.  Asterisk wouldn't work at all.  Genband has been flawless
> since July 2006.  The phone room has a dozen of these little adapters
> and we've never had problems with them, only issue was a customer had
> some cheap phone and needed to replace it.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>> I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29
>> a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more
>> friendly
>> Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on
>> your equipment this may not be possible)
>> nat on nat on Nat is really stinky
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>> They are natting three times at the customer site?!  Get them closer
>> to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing
>> hell.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright.
>> 
>> I had trouble with understanding them.
>> 
>> Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the
>> 
>> main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
>> 
>> Martha
>> 
>> Martha Huizenga
>> 
>> DC Access, LLC
>> 
>> 202-546-5898
>> 
>> Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
>> 
>> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>> 
>> Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter
>> 
>> On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> 
>> What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing
>> 
>> voice, no dial tone.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
>> 
>> hi all,
>> 
>> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
>> 
>> somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
>> 
>> Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
>> 
>> follows:
>> 
>> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is
>> 
>> connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the
>> 
>> Vonage box.
>> 
>> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has
>> 
>> a better understanding of this.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Martha
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Martha Huizenga
>> 
>> DC Access, LLC
>> 
>> 202-546-5898
>> 
>> Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
>> 
>> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>> 
>> Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> 
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Josh Luthman]

>ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting

Absolutely not true.  I personally have many SPA2100 (same thing as
spa2102 or pap2t-na in this discussion) that go:

Public ip -> IS Rebel, nat 1 -> customer radio, nat 2 -> customer soho
router, nat 3 -> ATA

It is more dependent on your voice gateway then it is the ATA, in my
experience.  Asterisk wouldn't work at all.  Genband has been flawless
since July 2006.  The phone room has a dozen of these little adapters
and we've never had problems with them, only issue was a customer had
some cheap phone and needed to replace it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29
> a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more
> friendly
> Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on
> your equipment this may not be possible)
> nat on nat on Nat is really stinky
>
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> They are natting three times at the customer site?!  Get them closer
> to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing
> hell.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga 
> wrote:
>
> Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright.
>
> I had trouble with understanding them.
>
> Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the
>
> main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
>
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> What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing
>
> voice, no dial tone.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
>
> somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
>
> Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
>
> follows:
>
> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is
>
> connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the
>
> Vonage box.
>
> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has
>
> a better understanding of this.
>
> Thanks
>
> Martha
>
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Glenn Kelley]

I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29  

a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more friendly 
Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on 
your equipment this may not be possible) 

nat on nat on Nat is really stinky 


On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> They are natting three times at the customer site?!  Get them closer
> to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing
> hell.
> 
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> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> 
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
>> Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright.
>> I had trouble with understanding them.
>> 
>> Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the
>> main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
>> 
>> Martha
>> 
>> Martha Huizenga
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>> On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> 
>> What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing
>> voice, no dial tone.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
>> 
>> hi all,
>> 
>> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
>> somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
>> Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
>> follows:
>> 
>> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is
>> connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the
>> Vonage box.
>> 
>> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has
>> a better understanding of this.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Martha
>> --
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Just a quick FYI..

ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting

A lot of ATA's are "routers" as well, which means that they go thru NAT, 
and will not work behind another NAT router.

Most of these devices will get across a NAT router by registering to a 
SIP Proxy Server, which keeps track of the NAT Translations(Ports) 
(sometimes on some routers you have to adjust the NAT timeouts, for 
longer calls..) Sip Proxy Servers are not designed to keep track of NAT 
ports when the end device is going thru multiple NAT translations.

Regards


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On 8/19/2010 1:55 PM, Scott Lambert wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:13:01AM -0400, Martha Huizenga wrote:
>>   hi all,
>>
>> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office
>> was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and
>> one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set
>> up is as follows:
>>
>> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router
>> is connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected
>> to the Vonage box.
>>
>> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else
>> has a better understanding of this.
>
> Does that mean the Vonage router is double NATed?  My Vonage router
> did not like that setup at all.
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Scott Lambert]

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:13:01AM -0400, Martha Huizenga wrote:
>  hi all,
> 
> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office 
> was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and 
> one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set 
> up is as follows:
> 
> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router 
> is connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected 
> to the Vonage box.
> 
> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else 
> has a better understanding of this.

Does that mean the Vonage router is double NATed?  My Vonage router
did not like that setup at all.

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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Josh Luthman]

They are natting three times at the customer site?!  Get them closer
to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing
hell.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
> Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright.
> I had trouble with understanding them.
>
> Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the
> main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
>
> Martha
>
> Martha Huizenga
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> On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>
> What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing
> voice, no dial tone.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
> somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
> Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
> follows:
>
> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is
> connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the
> Vonage box.
>
> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has
> a better understanding of this.
>
> Thanks
>
> Martha
> --
>
> Martha Huizenga
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Martha Huizenga]

 Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me 
alright. I had trouble with understanding them.


Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off 
the main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.


Martha

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On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, 
outgoing voice, no dial tone.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga > wrote:



hi all,

We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his 
office was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the 
vonage box and one for Internet. At his new office, in his home 
carriage house the set up is as follows:


Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that 
router is connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is 
connected to the Vonage box.


I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone 
else has a better understanding of this.


Thanks

Martha
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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Matt]

> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
> somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
> Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
> follows:
>
> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is
> connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the
> Vonage box.
>
> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has
> a better understanding of this.

Try switching the vonage VOIP protocol to G729.  It uses more
compression and seems to squeak by better when large downloads are
going on as well.

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Re: [WISPA] Vonage

[Jeremie Chism]

What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing 
voice, no dial tone. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:

> hi all,
> 
> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was 
> somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for 
> Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as 
> follows:
> 
> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is 
> connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the 
> Vonage box.
> 
> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has a 
> better understanding of this.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Martha
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[WISPA] Vonage

[Martha Huizenga]

 hi all,

We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office 
was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and 
one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set 
up is as follows:


Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router 
is connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected 
to the Vonage box.


I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else 
has a better understanding of this.


Thanks

Martha
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh

[Ralph]

I have done a lot of muni mesh and know of no cities they have.
We played around with their Pacman-looking CPE device though.


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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, RickG  wrote:
> Are there any Munis using Ruckus?

They have a city in India, I believe.

(Can anyone else confirm this?  I can't remember the city)




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[WISPA] Raleigh NC

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We are looking for assistance locally in the Chapel Hill, North Carolina
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[WISPA] Tranzeo EL-500ag

[Phil Curnutt]

Anybody using these and how do you like them?

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