Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
Powercode is the distributer that Procera has chosen to use to get their product into the WISP market. Simon is very knowlegable on the Procera device, and the new lower priced unit at $17k is alot easier to swallow than the $30k mid range one they had before Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Oct 23, 2014, at 10:28 PM, heith wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Thanks for the input. Didn’t try power code, I don’t use their service, but I guess that doesn’t matter. But still a small little email back would be awesome! Anyways! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 7:46 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product We have been talking to powercode this week. Simon is out of the country on business, but he said he will get back to us early next week on our quotes. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/23/2014 04:44 PM, RanchBoss wrote: Did you try Powercode? They sell the Procera Device. Sent from my Ranch Phone On Oct 23, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Bill Schoolfield b...@billmax.com wrote: I've had no luck reaching them as well. Bill On 10/23/2014 7:36 PM, heith wrote: So the last booth I visited at Wispa in Vegas was the Procera booth. I am hooked and want to learn more, but at $17k a pop it’s a little hard to swallow, as I would need to purchase 4 of them for my current locations that I serve. Are there any other solution I can look for to do similar functions that may be more cost effective? I am also a little leery at the fact that I have left them 2 voice mail messages as well as sent an email from earlier this week with no return call. So that’s a concern if it takes a while to get sales support if tech support would be any different. So I was wanting some feed back from some actual users of their product or other similar products. Thanks Heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams
Arecont brand cameras, have the best night picture for the industry and they are made in the USA Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Got a project that requires 10-12 outdoor cams, prefer wifi units so we can backhaul them in 5 ghz Any ideas? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Jamie, Thanks for the quick reply. In non-sync mode what is expected latency on the links? Also in sync-mode what is the throughput hit when you adjust the window size for better latency? Reason I ask is you mentioned 8ms latency in your post and If I am backhauling across 7 towers that could add over 50ms of latency from one end of the network to the other... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
is that price per link or per radio Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com wrote: http://ec2-54-90-168-54.compute-1.amazonaws.com/news/16/78/Mimosa-Networks-Unveils-First-Products-in-Cloud-to-Client-Internet-Access-Ecosystem/d,flat-blog-detail.html The B5 Backhaul radio is available for order in two versions – an antenna-integrated 5 GHz backhaul radio (B5); and a connectorized radio-only version (B5c). The B5 (List Price: $899 for B5, $839 for B5c) will begin shipping to customers in Fall 2014. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800, ext 6200 From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:22:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC
Can you possibly put a polyphaser on the 9000APC? I use these: http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=531462eventPage=1 http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=531462eventPage=1 Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hannum Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC The first radio went bad on the first antenna. The second and third radios have gone bad on the second antenna. We'll probably swap the antenna again this afternoon on this one. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: That's why I said antenna. It happened frequently after changing the antenna. --- On Thu, 6/13/13, David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com wrote: From: David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, June 13, 2013, 10:01 AM Moisture is not an issue. Good drip loops on both the antenna cable and CAT-5 Cables. We actually sealed the entry of the radio with mastic to be sure. The first radio lasted about 10 months. When it went, we first swapped antennas, thinking maybe a lightning strike damaged it (we've had the same effect on signal from bad antenna). That did nothing to help, so we next swapped the radio. Signal back. That lasted about four weeks. Swapped radio again, and signal back. Lasted about 12 hours this time. No visible damage to any of the radios. No moisture found inside. We don't have capability to test in-house. Will send to SWG or Wireless Units to have them take a look. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com http://mc/compose?to=fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 6/13/2013 7:43 AM, David Hannum wrote: We're having an issue with a 9000APC that is very strange. Here is the situation. We have a remote water tank (stand pipe 75' high) that has a few homes around it. So, we have a 9000APC and a connectorized 2450AP on the tower, both on Omni's. The antennas are on a stand almost exactly 4' apart. There are six subs on the 900MHz radio. About a month ago, I had an issue where (after about 9 months) the signal to all of the customers just faded out, to the point that only two subs were still good. I swapped the antenna and that did not help. I swapped the radio, and that fixed the problem. Trouble is, it only lasted about three weeks, and the same thing happened again. I swapped the radio again yesterday, and today, I'm back in the same boat. The radio in the AP keeps going out. I had the climbers check the grounding, and we actually ran a dedicated ground yesterday off the water tank. My knee jerk feeling today is that maybe the radios are too close together, and the 2450 is burning up the 900. Could this be the case? Any ideas? Here is an example of what happens. Customers that run signals -47 to -57 become -70 to -75 and those who's signals were -70 and up fall clear off. Swap the radio, and everything goes back to normal. This is now three radios that have gone, each lasting a much shorter time than the previous. (this one did not make it 24 hours). I can't completely rule out lightning - the tower is in a very wooded area. But usually you burn up the NIC in that case - not weaken the radio. Thoughts? Interesting mystery! Clearly you don't want to blow more radios this way. Any more clues about what may have happened right before the failures? I'm wondering about weather events. Did it fail after a rain storm? Water coming in to the radio or corroding the antenna connectors might result. And if the antenna's connector is flaky, re-attaching it to a new radio might be a temporary fix, but reattaching it to an old radio might fix it too (temporariy). Have you examined the broken radios in the shop? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC
I use them with no insertion loss at all. There is a version of it with a male end for antenna however I don't see it on Tessco's site. The polyphaser model # is DSXL-MA Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hannum Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC Never tried that before. We always use LPU's on the CAT-5 but I've never put one on the antenna lead. What kind of line loss does it cause? I don't see that in the Tech Specs. Also, does it come with a male antenna connector side? Dave Hannum On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Can you possibly put a polyphaser on the 9000APC? I use these: http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=531462eventPage=1 http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=531462eventPage=1 Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hannum Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC The first radio went bad on the first antenna. The second and third radios have gone bad on the second antenna. We'll probably swap the antenna again this afternoon on this one. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: That's why I said antenna. It happened frequently after changing the antenna. --- On Thu, 6/13/13, David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com wrote: From: David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, June 13, 2013, 10:01 AM Moisture is not an issue. Good drip loops on both the antenna cable and CAT-5 Cables. We actually sealed the entry of the radio with mastic to be sure. The first radio lasted about 10 months. When it went, we first swapped antennas, thinking maybe a lightning strike damaged it (we've had the same effect on signal from bad antenna). That did nothing to help, so we next swapped the radio. Signal back. That lasted about four weeks. Swapped radio again, and signal back. Lasted about 12 hours this time. No visible damage to any of the radios. No moisture found inside. We don't have capability to test in-house. Will send to SWG or Wireless Units to have them take a look. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com http://mc/compose?to=fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 6/13/2013 7:43 AM, David Hannum wrote: We're having an issue with a 9000APC that is very strange. Here is the situation. We have a remote water tank (stand pipe 75' high) that has a few homes around it. So, we have a 9000APC and a connectorized 2450AP on the tower, both on Omni's. The antennas are on a stand almost exactly 4' apart. There are six subs on the 900MHz radio. About a month ago, I had an issue where (after about 9 months) the signal to all of the customers just faded out, to the point that only two subs were still good. I swapped the antenna and that did not help. I swapped the radio, and that fixed the problem. Trouble is, it only lasted about three weeks, and the same thing happened again. I swapped the radio again yesterday, and today, I'm back in the same boat. The radio in the AP keeps going out. I had the climbers check the grounding, and we actually ran a dedicated ground yesterday off the water tank. My knee jerk feeling today is that maybe the radios are too close together, and the 2450 is burning up the 900. Could this be the case? Any ideas? Here is an example of what happens. Customers that run signals -47 to -57 become -70 to -75 and those who's signals were -70 and up fall clear off. Swap the radio, and everything goes back to normal. This is now three radios that have gone, each lasting a much shorter time than the previous. (this one did not make it 24 hours). I can't completely rule out lightning - the tower is in a very wooded area. But usually you burn up the NIC in that case - not weaken the radio. Thoughts? Interesting mystery! Clearly you don't want to blow more radios this way. Any more clues about what may have happened right before the failures? I'm wondering about weather events. Did it fail after a rain storm? Water coming in to the radio or corroding the antenna connectors might result. And if the antenna's connector is flaky, re-attaching it to a new radio might be a temporary fix, but reattaching
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net wrote: A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in and sent me a how-to. Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use the TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. YMMV, Dave -- David Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 Corydon, IN 47112 812-738-7007 www.portative.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
I have 2 Tranzeo TR5a-24's sitting here at the office I would like to see go if anyone wants them hit me offlist. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:15 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support Well that's pretty screwy if that's the case...not familiar with UBNT but something seems foo there! The Tranzeo TR5a was the last product we used from Tranzeo that actually worked okay...the major thing I don't like about them through is the client didn't automatically sweep if you needed to do an emergency frequency change on the base. On 07/31/2012 12:51 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: I am not sure it is. I think the UBNT Noise Floor on their radios is not an actual detected floor but a calculation. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN / RC-WiFi -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net wrote: A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in and sent me a how-to. Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use the TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. YMMV, Dave -- David Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 Corydon, IN 47112 812-738-7007 www.portative.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower
My cost on the Standard Duty 120 foot self supporter is $11,814 That includes the anchor bolts and base cage frame Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 7:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower Cost for just the tower? Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 4:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: You wanna look at American Tower http://www.amertower.com http://www.amertower.com/ We just put up one of their Standard Duty 120 footers. About half the cost of Rohn and I think it's a better built tower. Wind loading specs were higher on them too than the Rohn. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower Hello, We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem to have those. Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ attachment: Kurt Fankhauser (kurt@wavelinc.com).vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.11n 2.4GHz AP card that will fall back to 20MHzchannels for some clients?
When you are using anything 802.11N as an AP the backwards compatibility with legacy 802.11G stuff is limited to 20mhz channels only. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 802.11n 2.4GHz AP card that will fall back to 20MHzchannels for some clients? I'm presently using UBNT M gear as 2.4GHz APs. I've found that all client devices can connect on 20MHz channels and only some clients can connect on 40MHz channels. I also found that when the UBNT gear is in 40MHz channel mode it doesn't fall back to 20MHz for the clients that can't do 40MHz channels as some other brand APs do. Is there an RF card that can be used with an MT board that does 40MHz channels and will fall back to 20MHz channels for the clients that can't do 40MHz? I'd rather stay all UBNT for RF but it doesn't appear they have something that can do this. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ attachment: Kurt Fankhauser (kurt@wavelinc.com).vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower
You wanna look at American Tower http://www.amertower.com http://www.amertower.com/ We just put up one of their Standard Duty 120 footers. About half the cost of Rohn and I think it's a better built tower. Wind loading specs were higher on them too than the Rohn. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower Hello, We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem to have those. Kevin attachment: Kurt Fankhauser (kurt@wavelinc.com).vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Extra Canopy 900 SMs
i am intereated too Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com wrote: Just wondering if there is a market and how much for Canopy 900 SMs. We have 100 or so extra due to upgrades to get higher speed - Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed
A quick note on PR. The operator(s) there has run foot loose and fancy free with the rules for as long as I can remember. Perhaps it's time to fine them at a high enough level that it puts them out of business? Kind of a 3 strikes your out thing Probably cause down there everyone is running 4 watt Hyperlink Amps on 2.4ghz, 5.8ghz sounds like its prob trashed too and so only thing left is 5.4 that's why they are getting so many probs on it. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 12:50 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed The proper fix for this problem is a visit from the enforcement guys, and a nasty fine for repeat offenders. After that, what would be so hard about using sensing and DFS (done right this time) to cause systems near the radars to notch out the 110mhz of spectrum while not bothering anyone else? The radar systems are well known, should be an easy signal to detect. The radios already tend to send a LOT of data back and forth, radio name, signal levels, speed, language, channel used etc. etc. etc. Certainly any radio that turns on could sense for 30 seconds, if it detects a TDWR signal at a certain threshold, then report than back to the AP and the AP could then lock out the needed channels for that particular location. This should be able to be done via a firmware upgrade to any legacy or new hardware out there. Cheap, relatively easy, fixes the problem and does NOT take away 110mhz of newly acquired spectrum from the rest of the country. A quick note on PR. The operator(s) there has run foot loose and fancy free with the rules for as long as I can remember. Perhaps it's time to fine them at a high enough level that it puts them out of business? Kind of a 3 strikes your out thing. marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 1:47 PM Subject: [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed In spite of the noteworthy efforts on the part of many WISP operators and in spite of a temporary decrease in the levels of TDWR interference reported to us by the FCC, the TDWR interference situation has unfortunately deteriorated. The FCC now reports that some locations (New York, Chicago, Denver and Dallas) that were recently cleared of interference are once again experiencing significant interference problems. The TDWR interference in San Juan Puerto Rico is so bad that the TDWR system had to be shut off by the FAA. This is not good news because the FAA is pushing the FCC to solve these interference problems once and for all. Voluntary database registration has unfortunately not proven to be effective enough. There are still some operators who apparently have not heard about the TDWR interference problem and some who have simply failed to bring and keep their systems in compliance. On the supply-chain side, there are several manufacturers and distributors who did take positive, affirmative and responsible action to help address the problem however they were they in the minority. Most manufacturers and distributors did not step up to the plate with customer education or software upgrades. Because airline safety is a very important issue, it only takes a few bad actors to cause significant problems for everyone else. The FCC is under strong pressure to take steps to solve the interference problem for good. The FCC Office of Engineering and Technology has started drafting a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM). We don't know yet what new rules the FCC will propose. They could require that the 5570 to 5680 frequency range be notched out for all new equipment. This would mean that we would lose the use of 110 MHz of spectrum. Another possibility is that TDWR database registration will be required of all WISPs instead the current voluntary registration for WISPs located near TDWRs. A third possibility is that all new equipment might have to automatically log into a geo-location database (similar to the TV White Space database) and receive a list of allowable frequencies. Nearby TDWR frequencies and a guard band around the TDWR frequency range would be prohibited. The FCC OET has agreed to meet with us to listen to and discuss our suggestions about ways to address the problem and what new rules should be proposed in the NPRM. I've prepared a short online survey for WISPA Members to see what new rules they prefer and what suggestions they have. Please take a few minutes today to review this survey and give me your feedback before I publish this survey to our Members. I expect
Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses
IPV6 will make Usage Based Billing even more important to implement. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses Yes, it would appear we are going to have to build our networks to support what the customer wants rather than limit what they can do because our infrastructure won't support. On 2/8/2011 10:10 AM, Matt wrote: I am not sure I agree with the conclusion. I think we are going to see some new applications that use some of the things that IPv6 offers, like multi-cast and any-cast in ways we can not imagine, yet. When they do and the consumer demand comes, the SOHO router market will catch. ISPs better be ready. The biggest thing I see is NO MORE NAT. The XBox, PS3, WII, etc. all have there own public IPv6 IP. No more UPnP, NAT Type etc. And the worst part is P2P will work better having a public IP as well. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ attachment: Kurt Fankhauser (kurt@wavelinc.com).vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS
Tranzeo joined the 10mhz party about a year ago with a simple firmware upgrade to the CPQ/SL units. Before that only their newer SL2 radios with a specific mini-PCI card had the option to do 10mhz And even that was only about 18-months prior to now. I will say though that the 10mhz Tranzeo's plays quite nice with a Mikrotik AP and I am getting about 8-9mbps to clients within 2 miles. This has enabled me to survive a little longer before upgrading the network. I will say if Tranzeo hadn't have added the 10mhz when they did I would really be hurtin but it came along just at the right time and squeeze some more life outa these ugly white square's that everyone hates. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:40 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS AFAIK only Ubnt and Mikrotik are the two to cooperate in 10 Mhz channels. I have read that Tranzeo joined this 10 Mhz party. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: ... Sorry for short answer there is more info if you search the UBNT Forums. short / quick:- Don't use Airmax (Airmax off) Setup for 20mhz channels.. (other channel sizes may not be compatible). There is a bunch of ifs' and but's here.. the big question is what is it you are trying to do ? Transition ? or trying to make them all work together ? Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 2/8/2011 11:13 AM, Roger Howard wrote: So I've heard of several people now who are running StarOS APs who have started to use Ubiquiti products for CPE. I've tried several times and the NSM2 won't connect. What am I doing wrong? I understand Aggregate needs to be turned off on the CPE. I'm running 1.5.15.3b on the AP and I'm running 5.3 on the CPE. I'm using 10Mhz channels. I can see the AP in a site survey, but it won't associate. I've tried turning off superA/G and other special features on the AP. Can anyone think what I'm missing? Thanks, Roger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ attachment: Kurt Fankhauser (kurt@wavelinc.com).vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem
I second this theory. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem It could be mobile military radars or during National Guard exercises, etc. What freqs are you using in the band? Does your mountain installation overlook any military training areas? On 2/7/2011 9:11 AM, Bret Clark wrote: That's what I'm thinking but you'd think it would be happening continuously. Yet we'll go several months without so much as a peep and then boom...we are in interference hell. Had the problem again this weekend, started Friday night, on and off all weekend, then Sunday night everything is find again. I'm running out of hair to pull out of my head at this point! Bret On 02/07/2011 12:05 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Bret, Sure sounds like radar to me. jack On 2/7/2011 5:18 AM, Bret Clark wrote: It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air. I don't think this is a consumer device causing the problem. On 02/07/2011 03:10 AM, RickG wrote: There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;( On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-30chat.net wrote: 5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck). On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clarkbcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the 5GHz range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the weekends or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but they say they are not doing anything. Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe! Bret Bret Clark Spectra Access 25 Lowell Street Manchester, NH 03101 www.spectraaccess.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
[WISPA] FCC Pushes Public Safety Broadband Network
http://www.firehouse.com/topic/technology-and-communications/fcc-pushes-publ ic-safety-broadband-network most interesting part was this line: The FCC is currently seeking public comment on issues including the architectural vision of the network; interconnectivity between networks; network robustness, resiliency and security; and roaming and priority access among public safety broadband networks. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook attachment: Kurt Fankhauser (kurt@wavelinc.com).vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
You should have known that! We are facebook friends! Where were you hiding all these years Josh? I have been active on the lists since 2004 and don't ever remember seeing your name, but just out of no-where you seem to have appeared and already know everything and now I am seeing your name all over the place, all the lists, whats up with that? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
Lets all unite and take over the world! Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Punk kids unite!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ attachment: kurt@wavelinc.com.vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Canada regulator OKs metered Internet billing
Looks like Netflix is taking down the Canadians too. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-regulator-oks-metered-internet-billing-20110 125-150349-137.html Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook attachment: kurt@wavelinc.com.vcfattachment: kurt@wavelinc.com.vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] new list
What is the link for Butches Mikotik list, is it listed under a WISPA lists page? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history repeats itself. I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support supp...@nitline.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting angry On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the industry, then voice them. Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get something done. I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG list. We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist media. I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and not been afraid to get their hands dirty. I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] new list Hi, In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. To subscribe to this new list, send an email to users-requ...@wug.cc with subscribe in the subject field. We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Announcements] Baltic Networks introduced a newlow-cost 6 Port Gigabit Router Powered by MikroTik at theAnimal Farm Expo in Salt Lake City, Utah
Does this router work on Mikrotik ROS v4 or is it v5 only? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Announcements] Baltic Networks introduced a newlow-cost 6 Port Gigabit Router Powered by MikroTik at theAnimal Farm Expo in Salt Lake City, Utah Nice to see products like this developing and being made available, but it still misses the mark by not including SFP ports. Also, the GigE port count is far too few. Six? Need more like 24 or 48 ports! grin USB ports are great to see on this router! Good job there and what IMO should be mandatory on all HUB site or core based routers. Best, Brad From: announcements-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:announcements-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:55 AM To: announceme...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA Announcements] Baltic Networks introduced a new low-cost 6 Port Gigabit Router Powered by MikroTik at the Animal Farm Expo in Salt Lake City, Utah Description: Description: BalticHeader.tif Baltic Networks introduced a new low-cost 6 Port Gigabit Router Powered by MikroTik at the Animal Farm Expo in Salt Lake City, Utah January 14, 2011 Aurora, Illinois - Baltic Networks introduced MaxxWave RouterMaxx 1106T, a new low cost 6-port Gigabit Router powered by IntelR newest technology, the CoreT2 Quad/, the CoreT2 Duo Processor at the Animal Farm Expo. RouterMaxx 1106T runs on the MikroTik RouterOS platform and by combining it with the latest Intel technology, it is the next-generation commercial-grade gigabit router. Based on the latest Intel 82574L Gigabit Chipset and utilizing 6 independent Intel gigabit controllers and a multi-core CPU, it's possible to achieve over 200,000pps. The product provides performance up to 3 times faster than MikroTik's flagship product, the RB/1100. RouterMaxx 1106T competes directly with MikroTik RB/1100, Cisco and LinkTech PowerRouterT. Brian Vargyas, Managing Director at Baltic Networks, said: We felt that there was a need to bring in the next generation gigabit router to the market, given that the existing products on the market are all based on the technology that is either out of date or not providing enough port power for commercial-grade applications. Teaming up with MikroTik and MaxxWave, this next product represents a further step ahead in Baltic Networks' strategy, aimed at providing low-cost and ready-to-deploy solutions. RouterMaxx 6T Features: - Fanless Desktop Size - 1U Rackmount Bracket Optional - Runs RouterOS V5+ - Level 4 RouterOS license included - 1.6Ghz Dual Core Intel Atom Processor - 6 Intel 82574L / 82583V Gigabit controllers (Supports Jumbo Frames) - 1 GB DDR2 800 RAM - 1 mPCI-E internal slot for expansion (3G/4G Wireless Cards) - 2 GB Flash - 2 USB 2.0 Ports - 1 RJ45 Console Port (Includes RJ45 to DB9 Console Cable) - 1 2.5 Open HDD Spaces -- Includes SATA Cables - Use for Web Proxy Cache - MTBF over 100,000 Hours - Low power consumption of 15Watts (+2 Watts per port running) Power: 100-240Vac, .5-3A, 50/60Hz (12Vdc 5A Max) Tested Operational Temperature: -20C to 70C Dimensions: 1.4H x 7.4W x 5.7D Weight: 2.6lb About Baltic Networks Baltic Networks offers a complete line of products and design solutions for broadband wireless and mobile internet. We are an authorized distributor of MikroTikT, Ubiquiti NetworksT , SAF Tehnika, Tranzeo Wireless, MaxxWave, RF Elements, and MTI Wireless Edge, and Ruckus Wireless products including routers, antennas and embedded solutions for hotspots, VoIP and sensor networks. Configuration, support and network engineering services by Certified MikroTik SpecialistsT are available for all products that we sell. As consultants, we offer a full spectrum of network engineering services, with in-depth expertise for hotspot design and deployment. Our mission is to provide low-cost and high-value networking solutions to help make our clients' business competitive without sacrificing reliability. For more information about Baltic Networks, visit: http://www.balticnetworks.com 2380A Prospect Drive Aurora, IL 60502 USA Tel. 888.929.3610 (Toll Free) Tel. 630.929.3610 (International) http://www.balticnetworks.com www.balticnetworks.com Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org image001.jpgattachment: Kurt Fankhauser (kurt@wavelinc.com).vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops
I have some Tranzeo radios that are certified for 5.4 and 5.2. Can these be re-hung? If so they are for sale. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops The 5.2 certs do you no good. 5.25 - 5.35 GHz requires DFS as well for new deployments since the change was released. You can only replace existing pre-DFS gear with other pre-DFS gear. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/20/2011 11:05 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Can you direct me to the CM9 and xr5 certification for the 5.2 band? I would really like to be able to use this band for a few sites where subs are 2-3 miles max - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops The cm9 and xr5 cards are certified for use in the 5.2GHz band (5.18-5.32GHz) and in the 5.8GHz band (5.745-5.825GHz). I don't use anything in the 5.4GHz band because that requires DFS I really don't want to rehash the modular certification argument again. On 1/20/2011 4:55 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: FCC certified? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops Use 5.2GHz, mikrotik with cm9 or xr5 cards. I do a PtP link 3200ft on 5.3GHz. Carries 50Mbit on a 40MHz channel with ease... On 1/20/2011 4:39 PM, Matt wrote: Looking for some gear to do 4 short hops under a mile and not interfer with existing 2.4 or 5.7 gear. Was thinking of the 5.2 or 5.4 band gear. Whats out there that wont break the bank and is FCC compliant in that band? Leaning towards canopy but would like more bandwidth and a lower price. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3391 - Release Date: 01/19/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3391 - Release Date: 01/19/11 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3393 - Release Date: 01/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ attachment: kurt@wavelinc.com.vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
Is this not from time Warner? Is it from someone else at 5/Meg Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Depending on your location - AND if you can backhaul you might think about instead grabbing a licensed backhaul and pulling in a different way . For example - While Washington Court House is 40+ miles from Columbus I have found a way to purchase bandwidth @ $5.00/meg And yes - even thought he license costs $3K and the radios $10K in the end - I can push a Gig for much lower than i could ever get from TW we are exploring this now in fact On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 40 megs for $2100 here Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Really? Guess I shouldn’t complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
Saving 80k would mean I could buy that new bucket truck :) Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Correct. If you can come off a large building out of any of the cities here in Ohio that have carrier hotels - you can just backhaul your network right out of the city. Cogent for example on their website today is offering $4/meg (for gige commit I bet) if TW wants to charge $2100 for 40 Meg ($52.50/meg) you really have to start thinking about why not setup some backhauls to give yourself a better rate. Coming from Columbus for example - and getting even $10/meg or Dayton or Cincy for us @ $10/meg allows us to make up the other $42+/- per meg in backhaul costs. Lets say for giggles and grins that Time Warner requires a 4 year contract at a rate of $2100 or at a total cost of $100,800 In turn an agreement from a carrier hotel for Blended bandwidth or even let's say from Cogent at a cost lets say for 40 Meg of $10/meg = $400/mo or $19.200 for the same agreement ( 4 years) You really need to debate what the additional $81,600 could mean to your bottom line. Even setting up multiple links from a carrier hotel - EVEN if it cost you $50K for the links would still place $30K +/- in your bottom line. I could see where some of us that but up against each other could actually build our own Network to assist each other even :-) but that is a different story Many will argue that Cogent stinks - Funny but I feel just the opposite. It is a great product for a good price. AND I find they still kick the heck out of Time Warner - but thats just my opinion. On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Is this not from time Warner? Is it from someone else at 5/Meg Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Depending on your location - AND if you can backhaul you might think about instead grabbing a licensed backhaul and pulling in a different way . For example - While Washington Court House is 40+ miles from Columbus I have found a way to purchase bandwidth @ $5.00/meg And yes - even thought he license costs $3K and the radios $10K in the end - I can push a Gig for much lower than i could ever get from TW we are exploring this now in fact On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 40 megs for $2100 here Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Really? Guess I shouldn’t complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender
I have one in my office and home. Uses about 50k full duplex per phone conversation up to 3 so a total of 150kbps full duplex. I do not see a problem with any of my customers usiung them. Works flawless. Reason Verizon is telling them it doesn't work with wireless is they are assuming your wireless is satellite. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender Anyone using one of these? What are actual bandwidth requirements and usage? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
How you been Brad!? Glad to see your still around. -Kurt _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg I'm paying a little more - $2500 for 40 Megs. I feel ripped off !!! There is a 10% margin built in, so its really 44 Megs (Important to know with Butch's QOS) On Dec 16, 2010 9:06 AM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: This isn't in Ohio but when we were upgrading our TW fiber in Idaho, the saleswoman said she can't do any special pricing on circuits less than 100M, we are around $20/M now. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Really? Guess I shouldn't complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
Really? Guess I shouldn't complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] service in Grove City, OH
Someone please help this guy. _ From: John A Sterling [mailto:john.a.sterl...@jpmchase.com] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 1:33 PM To: k...@wavelinc.com Cc: johnasterling...@gmail.com Subject: wavelinc I saw your web page about your service in Bucyrus. My mom lives on the outskirts of Grove City Ohio and I'm looking for a service like yours in her area. I know that you don't have service down there but thought you might know another provider. She currently uses verizonwireless but the signal was so weak I had to install a directional antenna on the roof. With that, she now gets -78dB but the speed is still around 300kbps and she pays $60/month. Your site claimed a lot better than that. Please let me know what providers you are aware of near her area. Here is here address if you need it: 3836 georgesville Wrightsville Rd., Grove City, OH 43123 Thanks, John JPMorgan Treasury Services Ofc: 614-213-1731 This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to European legal entities. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
Just to update and close this thread, I have, as of 10/26/10, received a check from Pasedena Networks (wlanparts.com) for the full amount of what the dispute was. Frank handled this very promptly and I want to make sure everyone sees it was taken care of. So I would like to apologize on this list for any harsh previous statements as I look back at the emails they did seem a little harsh and I hope that it has not hurt his business in any way. I would like to thank Frank for all he has done and I look forward to possibly placing orders with them in the future. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:52 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Charles, The owner, Frank, has contacted me about this as of 10 minutes ago. I don't know what else I could have done here differently. First I sent an email to wlanparts, (which Frank acknowledged on the list that went un-noticed.) Second, I tried calling the phone number several times not getting through and also have Josh verifying as well by posting on list that he couldn't get through either on 4/27.) And 3rd I made the original thread on 4/27 asking for anyone if they know whats going on over at wlanparts.com where several people could have replied back and defended them including the owner Frank but Josh was the only one that replied. So after all that effort I described above tell me what was I supposed to do? It appears to me I exhausted all potential options. Anyways it doesn't matter as it appears the issue is being handled now and I am looking forward to posting on the list that it has been fully resolve as it appears Frank is now handling the issue himself. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Or its a smear campaign that doesn't hold water. I've seen that a lot on this list. Usually I stay out of it, but this time I had to speak up to defend a friend and locally (to me anyway) run company. As evidenced by the reply no real effort was made by the op to resolve the issue. Its easier to just write a nasty email to a professional association list. Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: It's posts like these that keep a company honest. I wouldn't think that he damaged their credibility maliciously if what he has stated is accurate. You shouldn't have to dig around to find information or contact info on a company like that. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.comwrote: Kurt, The guy that runs it is easily findable on twitter. I bet he is easily findable in the white pages as well. I will contact him re your issue. I hope you haven't damaged his business too much with your post here. Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I wish I could say the same thing. It appeared to me that they run things completely online and automated. If you have a problem forget about customer service, probably don't even have anyone answering phones, just leave a message and hope they call you back if they feel like it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Wow, I've ordered several things from there in the past 6 months and I have never experienced anything even remotely close to this issue. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:43 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com. I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I placed an order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like $350 or so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the RB600 and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried sending an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site, was just an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I tried calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple messages and never got a return call. If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a merchant
Re: [WISPA] Amplifiers OFDM: Facts vs Fiction
RFLINX dumped streakwave and are doing it on their own again, in case anyone didn't know. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Amplifiers OFDM: Facts vs Fiction Talk to RF Linx... now streakwave. On 10/20/2010 3:44 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Most of the time a amp will clip the signal on an OFDM radio. So you do get amping but not accurate amping. If they make an amp specifically for OFDM then there should be no technical issues here. Good luck finding one :) marlon - - Original Message - From: Nick Huanca mailto:n...@greataukwireless.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] Amplifiers OFDM: Facts vs Fiction Hi all, Hope this finds everyone well. I wanted to reach out to the community as I've had a few birdies in my ear telling me to throw bi-directional amplifiers on our 3650 gear to reach the FCC limit on omni-directional antennas. The gear we're thinking about here is a Redline AN100U which has 23dBm output. I have heard some people tell me that ODFM and amplification is a terrible thing due to the carriers on the wave and timing. I have also heard people tell me there should be no problem with this if it is a fast-switching bi-directional amplifier. None of these people can really provide me literature or references to site their knowledge or show me actively working systems. I know, based on what we've seen with a few acquisitions, that amps dirty pretty much everything but have gotten people through some difficult problems. We've got some amps on older DSSS equipment that doesn't work great but had enabled the previous owner of the company to house his radios in the hut at the base of the tower. Any wizards out there that can shed some light on this? -- Nick Huanca GAW High-Speed Internet 619 Silver St, Front Bldg Agawam, MA 01001 [office] (877) 5-GET-GAW (877.543.8429) x214 [direct] (413) 203-4910 [mobile] (413) 570-0120 www.gaw.com Tell us how we did: www.gaw.com/survey --- PRIVACY AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication and any files transmitted with it are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential, proprietary and/or legally privileged or protected information. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this message. Any use, disclosure, retransmission, distribution, copying, or taking of any action based on this information by any person or entity other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
Yeah but are the still going to have the 5GB/month cap? If so we could still be a viable option to consumers even if our speeds were slower. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE The concern I have is in my coverage area Verizon already has 6 towers. I doubt they would be to worried about working with me. What I see is that I have 2 years to upgrade my equipment to be able to beat Verizon at all levels. TVWS could be a real game changer to us being so wooded. 700 Mhz LTE will already have the advantage. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation's first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless' core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum. Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company's technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas that currently lack Verizon Wireless coverage. Verizon Wireless may work with rural companies that have towers and backhaul capabilities, even if those companies are not currently wireless operators. Together, we will plan and coordinate a local LTE deployment schedule that makes sense for both Verizon Wireless and the rural company that we are collaborating with. http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Overview.html Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com. I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I placed an order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like $350 or so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the RB600 and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried sending an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site, was just an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I tried calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple messages and never got a return call. If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a merchant charge back but my order was on my bank debit card so I couldn't. I've never placed an order with them again... that was over 6 months ago. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:50 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports Suggested alternates :- http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a- CAT5.html http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449 Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: POE Injectors I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power light would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection a bonus I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the shields) to each other or to power ground as well. I have used the little white triangle looking ones with the green lights but everybody shows them out of stock. Anyone have any idea who has them or a product you recommend. They are going into a box I am making to feed a bunch or radios 24v Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
I wish I could say the same thing. It appeared to me that they run things completely online and automated. If you have a problem forget about customer service, probably don't even have anyone answering phones, just leave a message and hope they call you back if they feel like it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Wow, I've ordered several things from there in the past 6 months and I have never experienced anything even remotely close to this issue. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:43 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com. I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I placed an order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like $350 or so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the RB600 and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried sending an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site, was just an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I tried calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple messages and never got a return call. If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a merchant charge back but my order was on my bank debit card so I couldn't. I've never placed an order with them again... that was over 6 months ago. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:50 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports Suggested alternates :- http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a- CAT5.html http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449 Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: POE Injectors I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power light would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection a bonus I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the shields) to each other or to power ground as well. I have used the little white triangle looking ones with the green lights but everybody shows them out of stock. Anyone have any idea who has them or a product you recommend. They are going into a box I am making to feed a bunch or radios 24v Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
Charles, Well I would love to post to this thread saying that the issue was taken care of, I do not like posting negative stuff to lists about any vendors ever but I didn't want the same thing to happen to someone else that happened to me. Back on 4/27/10 after this issue occurred I posted to the WISPA general list titled: wlanparts.com ??? and said Does anyone know what's going on over at Pasadena Networks? Have not been able to get through on the phone for a few days and emails aren't being responded too either. The only response I got back on the list post was from Josh Luthman and he said he tried calling their number too and couldn't get though. Not a single other response from anyone else, for all I knew they were going out of business and appeared nobody else was purchasing from them due to no other thread responses. Now if you say you have a way to contact the owner I would very much appreciate it and tell him it is in reference to order # 2010-04-44416 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Kurt, The guy that runs it is easily findable on twitter. I bet he is easily findable in the white pages as well. I will contact him re your issue. I hope you haven't damaged his business too much with your post here. Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I wish I could say the same thing. It appeared to me that they run things completely online and automated. If you have a problem forget about customer service, probably don't even have anyone answering phones, just leave a message and hope they call you back if they feel like it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Wow, I've ordered several things from there in the past 6 months and I have never experienced anything even remotely close to this issue. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:43 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com. I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I placed an order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like $350 or so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the RB600 and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried sending an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site, was just an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I tried calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple messages and never got a return call. If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a merchant charge back but my order was on my bank debit card so I couldn't. I've never placed an order with them again... that was over 6 months ago. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:50 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports Suggested alternates :- http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a - CAT5.html http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449 Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: POE Injectors I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power light would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection a bonus I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the shields) to each other or to power ground as well. I have used the little white triangle looking ones with the green lights but everybody shows them out of stock. Anyone have any idea who has them or a product you recommend. They are going into a box I am making to feed a bunch or radios 24v Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
Charles, The owner, Frank, has contacted me about this as of 10 minutes ago. I don't know what else I could have done here differently. First I sent an email to wlanparts, (which Frank acknowledged on the list that went un-noticed.) Second, I tried calling the phone number several times not getting through and also have Josh verifying as well by posting on list that he couldn't get through either on 4/27.) And 3rd I made the original thread on 4/27 asking for anyone if they know whats going on over at wlanparts.com where several people could have replied back and defended them including the owner Frank but Josh was the only one that replied. So after all that effort I described above tell me what was I supposed to do? It appears to me I exhausted all potential options. Anyways it doesn't matter as it appears the issue is being handled now and I am looking forward to posting on the list that it has been fully resolve as it appears Frank is now handling the issue himself. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Or its a smear campaign that doesn't hold water. I've seen that a lot on this list. Usually I stay out of it, but this time I had to speak up to defend a friend and locally (to me anyway) run company. As evidenced by the reply no real effort was made by the op to resolve the issue. Its easier to just write a nasty email to a professional association list. Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: It's posts like these that keep a company honest. I wouldn't think that he damaged their credibility maliciously if what he has stated is accurate. You shouldn't have to dig around to find information or contact info on a company like that. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.comwrote: Kurt, The guy that runs it is easily findable on twitter. I bet he is easily findable in the white pages as well. I will contact him re your issue. I hope you haven't damaged his business too much with your post here. Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I wish I could say the same thing. It appeared to me that they run things completely online and automated. If you have a problem forget about customer service, probably don't even have anyone answering phones, just leave a message and hope they call you back if they feel like it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Wow, I've ordered several things from there in the past 6 months and I have never experienced anything even remotely close to this issue. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:43 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com. I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I placed an order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like $350 or so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the RB600 and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried sending an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site, was just an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I tried calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple messages and never got a return call. If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a merchant charge back but my order was on my bank debit card so I couldn't. I've never placed an order with them again... that was over 6 months ago. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:50 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports Suggested alternates :- http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a - CAT5.html http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449 Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: POE Injectors I'm looking for some poe injectors
Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
I see that now Rick. I do say, you are the best Executive Director WISPA has ever had. :) Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) I just sent another option. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:52 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Charles, The owner, Frank, has contacted me about this as of 10 minutes ago. I don't know what else I could have done here differently. First I sent an email to wlanparts, (which Frank acknowledged on the list that went un-noticed.) Second, I tried calling the phone number several times not getting through and also have Josh verifying as well by posting on list that he couldn't get through either on 4/27.) And 3rd I made the original thread on 4/27 asking for anyone if they know whats going on over at wlanparts.com where several people could have replied back and defended them including the owner Frank but Josh was the only one that replied. So after all that effort I described above tell me what was I supposed to do? It appears to me I exhausted all potential options. Anyways it doesn't matter as it appears the issue is being handled now and I am looking forward to posting on the list that it has been fully resolve as it appears Frank is now handling the issue himself. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Or its a smear campaign that doesn't hold water. I've seen that a lot on this list. Usually I stay out of it, but this time I had to speak up to defend a friend and locally (to me anyway) run company. As evidenced by the reply no real effort was made by the op to resolve the issue. Its easier to just write a nasty email to a professional association list. Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: It's posts like these that keep a company honest. I wouldn't think that he damaged their credibility maliciously if what he has stated is accurate. You shouldn't have to dig around to find information or contact info on a company like that. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.comwrote: Kurt, The guy that runs it is easily findable on twitter. I bet he is easily findable in the white pages as well. I will contact him re your issue. I hope you haven't damaged his business too much with your post here. Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I wish I could say the same thing. It appeared to me that they run things completely online and automated. If you have a problem forget about customer service, probably don't even have anyone answering phones, just leave a message and hope they call you back if they feel like it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) Wow, I've ordered several things from there in the past 6 months and I have never experienced anything even remotely close to this issue. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:43 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors) I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com. I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I placed an order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like $350 or so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the RB600 and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried sending an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site, was just an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I tried calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple messages and never got a return call. If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a merchant charge back but my order was on my bank debit card so I couldn't. I've
[WISPA] Tranzeo RMA process lately....
Has anyone else been having problems getting Tranzeo RMA's through lately or even a response from them? I usually only RMA 1 at a time but waited until I got 4 radios this last time and filled out the RMA and got an email from their tech saying I must have the radio LED's turned off or something. (which I can assure you I don't) I emailed them back twice and 2 weeks later have still gotten no response. Its almost like they are avoiding fixing these radio's. I don't even know if people are even buying Tranzeo anymore with Ubiquity around. Looks like Tranzeo's stock has been tanking the past 12 months, I suppose that's why my RMA's haven't been coming through.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo RMA process lately....
Oh believe me Josh, I haven't bought a Tranzeo for over a year. (I'm sure many others haven't either) But these units are still under warranty and for the price I paid for them ($180/each/CPQ19) when I could have bought 2 ubiquities I think this is ridiculus. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo RMA process lately Not sure why you don't just toss the Tranzeo and buy a Ubnt - same features, same cost (assuming you're paying shipping and waiting months and arguing via email). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone else been having problems getting Tranzeo RMA's through lately or even a response from them? I usually only RMA 1 at a time but waited until I got 4 radios this last time and filled out the RMA and got an email from their tech saying I must have the radio LED's turned off or something. (which I can assure you I don't) I emailed them back twice and 2 weeks later have still gotten no response. Its almost like they are avoiding fixing these radio's. I don't even know if people are even buying Tranzeo anymore with Ubiquity around. Looks like Tranzeo's stock has been tanking the past 12 months, I suppose that's why my RMA's haven't been coming through.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo RMA process lately....
Its been showing offline since forever.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of support Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo RMA process lately Did you try there Live chat support on there Website? On 10/12/2010 10:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: While I understand that is irritating to sink that kind of money, the way to look at it is: a) spend days, effort, time frustration, shipping etc to get them replaced - figure this is $50 to fix a once broken unit b) buy a new Ubnt something for $80 and use it in ~3 days Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:k...@wavelinc.com k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Oh believe me Josh, I haven't bought a Tranzeo for over a year. (I'm sure many others haven't either) But these units are still under warranty and for the price I paid for them ($180/each/CPQ19) when I could have bought 2 ubiquities I think this is ridiculus. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:51 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo RMA process lately Not sure why you don't just toss the Tranzeo and buy a Ubnt - same features, same cost (assuming you're paying shipping and waiting months and arguing via email). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:k...@wavelinc.com k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone else been having problems getting Tranzeo RMA's through lately or even a response from them? I usually only RMA 1 at a time but waited until I got 4 radios this last time and filled out the RMA and got an email from their tech saying I must have the radio LED's turned off or something. (which I can assure you I don't) I emailed them back twice and 2 weeks later have still gotten no response. Its almost like they are avoiding fixing these radio's. I don't even know if people are even buying Tranzeo anymore with Ubiquity around. Looks like Tranzeo's stock has been tanking the past 12 months, I suppose that's why my RMA's haven't been coming through.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo RMA process lately....
I got stacks of Tranzeo CPQ's/SL2's just laying around so its not like I'm waiting on CPE's for installs. I just want my $800 worth of radio's fixed that I paid for.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 11:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo RMA process lately While I understand that is irritating to sink that kind of money, the way to look at it is: a) spend days, effort, time frustration, shipping etc to get them replaced - figure this is $50 to fix a once broken unit b) buy a new Ubnt something for $80 and use it in ~3 days Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Oh believe me Josh, I haven't bought a Tranzeo for over a year. (I'm sure many others haven't either) But these units are still under warranty and for the price I paid for them ($180/each/CPQ19) when I could have bought 2 ubiquities I think this is ridiculus. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo RMA process lately Not sure why you don't just toss the Tranzeo and buy a Ubnt - same features, same cost (assuming you're paying shipping and waiting months and arguing via email). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Has anyone else been having problems getting Tranzeo RMA's through lately or even a response from them? I usually only RMA 1 at a time but waited until I got 4 radios this last time and filled out the RMA and got an email from their tech saying I must have the radio LED's turned off or something. (which I can assure you I don't) I emailed them back twice and 2 weeks later have still gotten no response. Its almost like they are avoiding fixing these radio's. I don't even know if people are even buying Tranzeo anymore with Ubiquity around. Looks like Tranzeo's stock has been tanking the past 12 months, I suppose that's why my RMA's haven't been coming through.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] port 5060 relaying attack?
Ok I was just looking at my firewall rules. I have a rule that was instead of dropping blacklisted IPs it was tarpitting them. Do you think the tarpit may have been the problem? I changed that rule to drop instead and havnt had the problem since. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 6:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] port 5060 relaying attack? Packet sniffer works better for this. On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Gustavo Santos gustkil...@gmail.com wrote: Try using mikrotik´s TORCH on your wan interface to see exectly what´s going on. 2010/10/8 Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com I think its starting from outsite Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] port 5060 relaying attack? Can't you look at the inside of your network to see which ip is generating the traffic? O Ris it originating off your network? On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:17 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I had that same EXACT thing happen to me about a month ago. Sniffed it out (with the help from the list) and blocked the ip. Yes, I'm on TW fiber. -RickG On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I never have had this happen for 6 years until I got my new fiber line installed form Time Warner. Apparently a few times a day somone starts a relay of SIP connections (or so it appears) through my fiber connection. It maxes out the download and upload of my 30/30 meg fiber and has about 30k-50k packets-per-second coming in and going right back out at the same time it maxes out the RB1000 CPU usage. Most of the time the problem only last for a few minutes but earlier today it lasted for over an hour. I have attached a few screenshots from Winbox during the attack. The 98.102.246.252 address is the address that all my NAT customers are being SRCNAT'ed to. Does anyone have a dynamic firewall rule handy that would stop this? I can't seem to find the IP address it is coming from because my core router's IP's are the ones showing up in the fire wall connections. Possibly be-ing spoofed I presume. -Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Gustavo Santos Analista de Redes -Tecnólogo em Redes de Computadores -Pós Graduando em Redes de Computadores e Telecomunicações -Cisco Certified Network Associate -Juniper Certified Internet Associate - ER -Mikrotik Certified Consultant WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] port 5060 relaying attack?
For now what Ive done is I blocked input port 5060 and on forward if anyone trys to access port 5060 it adds them to a Blacklist for blocked IPs. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 4:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] port 5060 relaying attack? I am being sneaky sneaky sir =) You can probably just drop all 5060/tcp input forever as I seriously doubt your Mikrotik is a SIP gateway. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 4:03 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Was hoping you'd chime in Josh :) On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: ...delays incoming connections for as long as possible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarpit_%28networking%29 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Ok I was just looking at my firewall rules. I have a rule that was instead of dropping blacklisted IPs it was tarpitting them. Do you think the tarpit may have been the problem? I changed that rule to drop instead and havnt had the problem since. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 6:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] port 5060 relaying attack? Packet sniffer works better for this. On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Gustavo Santos gustkil...@gmail.com wrote: Try using mikrotik´s TORCH on your wan interface to see exectly what´s going on. 2010/10/8 Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com I think its starting from outsite Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] port 5060 relaying attack? Can't you look at the inside of your network to see which ip is generating the traffic? O Ris it originating off your network? On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:17 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I had that same EXACT thing happen to me about a month ago. Sniffed it out (with the help from the list) and blocked the ip. Yes, I'm on TW fiber. -RickG On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I never have had this happen for 6 years until I got my new fiber line installed form Time Warner. Apparently a few times a day somone starts a relay of SIP connections (or so it appears) through my fiber connection. It maxes out the download and upload of my 30/30 meg fiber and has about 30k-50k packets-per-second coming in and going right back out at the same time it maxes out the RB1000 CPU usage. Most of the time the problem only last for a few minutes but earlier today it lasted for over an hour. I have attached a few screenshots from Winbox during the attack. The 98.102.246.252 address is the address that all my NAT customers are being SRCNAT'ed to. Does anyone have a dynamic firewall rule handy that would stop this? I can't seem to find the IP address it is coming from because my core router's IP's are the ones showing up in the fire wall connections. Possibly be-ing spoofed I presume. -Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Gustavo Santos Analista de Redes -Tecnólogo em Redes de Computadores -Pós Graduando em Redes de
Re: [WISPA] port 5060 relaying attack?
I think its starting from outsite Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] port 5060 relaying attack? Can't you look at the inside of your network to see which ip is generating the traffic? O Ris it originating off your network? On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:17 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I had that same EXACT thing happen to me about a month ago. Sniffed it out (with the help from the list) and blocked the ip. Yes, I'm on TW fiber. -RickG On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I never have had this happen for 6 years until I got my new fiber line installed form Time Warner. Apparently a few times a day somone starts a relay of SIP connections (or so it appears) through my fiber connection. It maxes out the download and upload of my 30/30 meg fiber and has about 30k-50k packets-per-second coming in and going right back out at the same time it maxes out the RB1000 CPU usage. Most of the time the problem only last for a few minutes but earlier today it lasted for over an hour. I have attached a few screenshots from Winbox during the attack. The 98.102.246.252 address is the address that all my NAT customers are being SRCNAT'ed to. Does anyone have a dynamic firewall rule handy that would stop this? I can't seem to find the IP address it is coming from because my core router's IP's are the ones showing up in the fire wall connections. Possibly be-ing spoofed I presume. -Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Climbing a 1768' tower
I seen this on the Tower Talk list. The Hams were bashing that guy for free-climbing, lol. I would do it for the rush alone. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Climbing a 1768' tower http://www.instructables.com/community/How-to-climb-a-1768-foot-tower/ Wow... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge
I've seen Bittorent use UDP and have as many as 50 UDP sessions per client running it. At that point I rate limit them to 256k and wait for the phone call. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge First at the interface level, you need to enable WMM. Then I set up the following rules which ensures that DSCP sets layer 2 priority WMM needs: /ip firewall mangle add action=set-priority chain=prerouting comment=VoIP WMM disabled=no new-priority=from-dscp passthrough=yes protocol=\ udp Most VoIP services tend to use DSCP of 46. Then I set a somewhat broadbase firewall/queue rule which basically says UDP packets should get preference since 99.9% of VoIP is UDP and I make it the first queue rule before all others. /ip firewall mangle add action=mark-packet chain=forward comment=VoIP disabled=no in-interface=ether1 new-packet-mark=VoIP \ passthrough=no protocol=udp /queue simple add burst-limit=0/0 burst-threshold=0/0 burst-time=0s/0s comment= direction=both disabled=no dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 interface=all \ limit-at=0/0 max-limit=0/0 name=VoIP Traffic packet-marks=VoIP parent=none priority=1 queue=synchronous-default/synchronous-default \ total-queue=default-small These rules can be massaged quite a bit to be more specific since a lot of other apps use UDP too. Some things we'll do to make the rule more specific is find out the users VoIP provider and then setup the queue based on the VoIP's IP block. On 09/14/2010 07:36 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: What specific rules did you add for your voip. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2010, at 5:21 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: We enabled it both in the CPE and AP. We also added queue rules in both the CPE and AP to ensure that VoIP traffic got priority not just at layer 2, but layer 3. On 09/13/2010 10:43 PM, RickG wrote: Did you do that in your firewall, the ap, or both? On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: We enabled WMM on our Mikrotik's and then just added a Mangle rule to ensure the DSCP was marked correctly, this solved VoIP issues for our users. On 09/13/2010 02:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I see, you're talking about quality not raw speeds - you said complaints about slowdowns. I would say TDMA would be the best bet to solve this problem cost effectively. If you half the channel size, half the number of clients. Not the other way around. Can the UBNT co-exist Contract issues says he can only replace the radio, not add more equipment. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM, John Vogeljvo...@vogent.net wrote: Can the UBNT co-exist with MT APs in the same environment or will the UBNT wipe out all other 802.11x based APs on nearby channels within hearing distance? On 9/13/2010 1:10 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when you make the switch. I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what time. Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on Ubiquity. Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to UBNT's low cost) but worth it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns. They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g. This is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment. So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies. Has anyone down this? Success? I know I cannot turn on Airmax till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you get it on? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Emailed 2 of the customers that were doing this. The one called back real nice and apologized. Said their kid was letting the Netflix on the Nintendo WII run while they were outside riding their bike! They said they will stop it. 2nd customer never got back with me, their service has now been rate limited to 256k. I anticipate a phone call shortly. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a Hotmail and CNN.com provider? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
That's what we are trying to do, put the 4.9 on their current FRN license for 2-way radio traffic. Not quite sure what the hold up is, although I did hear someone say up to 45-90 days for this, not particularly sure who. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Why? 4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic. If the agency already has ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that has very little engineering information. By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
Its just basically PMP430 with half channel widths. 10mhz instead of 20mhz. Its OFDM, has the same plastic outer shell as the 430. Far as I know the 430 series is non-MIMO and so is this stuff. The configuration screen looks very similar to the old 100 series FSK stuff. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice I believe the 400 series is half way between the 130 and 430 in throughput. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/27/2010 4:49 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: Is that basically the same radio as the 54430? We're looking at doing a deployment with that radio, and we are looking for feedback Kevin - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
[WISPA] 900mhz BPF in stock?
Does anyone have any Last Mile Gear or RFLINX 900mhz Band Pass Filters in stock? I made 4 calls today and everyone is on backorder. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth
Host a server for speedtest.net Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth Ya we currently have over 200Mbps of available outgoing bandwidth available and we already do hosting and co-location. :( Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: Servers...game servers, voice (teamspeak/ventrilo) servers...? Maybe help the community with content distribution. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Don Grossman mailto:d...@willitsonline.com d...@willitsonline.com wrote: Hey there As we get larger and larger pipes in to feed our customers what are people doing with the excess outbound capacity? Thanks Don WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100
Running a RB1000 here for core router over a year without single hiccup. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 I use the MikroNOC from Titan.Don't trust the MT RB/1000 nor the RB/1100. While I still have RB/1000's in place for certain applications, BGP and other core functions for us (and our size) works better on a MikroNOC. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: n...@brevardwireless.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 For important high load MT stuff most I still suggest x86 hardware. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: OK I have not heard that the 1100 are not stable. I have one that I was planning to put at the headend of a group of towers for QOS and bandwidth management. This tread is making me nervous whats been the issues. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi W http://www.rcwifi.com/ ireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 Currently were limited on space and need a ton of ports. But I would have to agree, The RB1100 hasn't been making us happy lately. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:42 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] RB1100 Replace it with xomething else.. Product is not stable Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RB1100 Does anyone have an RB1100 they could part with? Had one on a tower fail and need a replacement. Please reply off list. Thanks Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100
About 30mbps down and 10mbps up. Running 400 simple queues. A few dozen firewall rules. Peaks at about 3,000 PPS up and down combined. With all that being said CPU is about 10% steady. However I have seen DOS attacks coming in at 50,000pps and take this box down. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 What kind of throughput are you getting, both in traffic and in PPS? - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser mailto:k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General mailto:wireless@wispa.org List' Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 Running a RB1000 here for core router over a year without single hiccup. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 I use the MikroNOC from Titan.Don't trust the MT RB/1000 nor the RB/1100. While I still have RB/1000's in place for certain applications, BGP and other core functions for us (and our size) works better on a MikroNOC. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: n...@brevardwireless.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 For important high load MT stuff most I still suggest x86 hardware. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: OK I have not heard that the 1100 are not stable. I have one that I was planning to put at the headend of a group of towers for QOS and bandwidth management. This tread is making me nervous whats been the issues. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi W http://www.rcwifi.com/ ireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 Currently were limited on space and need a ton of ports. But I would have to agree, The RB1100 hasn't been making us happy lately. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 _ From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:42 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] RB1100 Replace it with xomething else.. Product is not stable Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RB1100 Does anyone have an RB1100 they could part with? Had one on a tower fail and need a replacement. Please reply off list. Thanks Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
I have seen problems as well since last Friday but they have vanished since Sunday. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection From Thursday night to Sunday morning I have had nothing but issues on my LONG 5.8 Links. 15-25 miles. Mostly on vertical Pol of a full duplex link. Sunday morning all the sudden everything just went back to 100% These are in very rural areas away from major cities and the worst connections happened from 11:00 Pm to 4:00 am. Though it was bad all the time Friday and Sat. Had to be something solar. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection I think I read that the solar flare would only be around 30 microwatts per square meter once it reached earth. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG category, many past 20 miles. lots of backhauls over 10 miles. So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wirelessie=utf-8oe=utf-8 aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: How does this apply to wireless? On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: 04 AUG 2010 -- From http://www.spaceweather.com The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35% chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for auroras. Friendly Regards, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!
Forbes, Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole network. If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider deploying UBNT or not. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!! Ron, I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or just where is WireShark? The program I just got from google. Ultimately I went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network. Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred immediately when that person was on. I went to their house and the Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem gone... a VERY long weekend! Let me know if you need any other help. Those guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right on! Forbes On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: Forbes, I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had. Could you share the Wireshark you learned from Brett? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is being in WISPA. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!
I'm scared of UBNT as it seems everyone that is using it seems to have problems here and there, this don't work, or this works now but caused this other thing to quit working, firmware is in Beta, seems like you guys are guinea pigs to me. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!! Kurt, Did it fail during a heavy rain/thunderstorm storm and was it directly exposed without any waterproofing beyond it's own case; yes. Can I say that rain caused the failure; maybe or it could have gotten an electrical surge too, hard to say, it just won't reset and it's junk to me now (I should point out $89 replacement) . Would I let that influence if I use UBNT, no, I love their stuff and nearly 50% of my CPE is now Ubiquiti, the entire network had the same rain/thunderstorm as the one that failed and performed admirably. The problem was that I had a bridged network not one failed piece of it. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. 3201 W. Nob Hill Blvd. Yakima, WA 98902 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com On 8/9/2010 9:06 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Forbes, Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole network. If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider deploying UBNT or not. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!! Ron, I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or just where is WireShark? The program I just got from google. Ultimately I went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network. Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred immediately when that person was on. I went to their house and the Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem gone... a VERY long weekend! Let me know if you need any other help. Those guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right on! Forbes On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: Forbes, I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had. Could you share the Wireshark you learned from Brett? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is being in WISPA. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] Mobilitie tower colo
Does anyone here have experience with leasing through Mobilitie Tower. http://www.mobilitie.com/ How has your experience through their application processes been? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!
Ok, so I have an idea, how about deploying Canopy in the area's where I plan on putting many AP's so I can use sync to reduce self-interference and then deploying UBNT in the rural areas where I don't have any other towers nearby that can hear each other??? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!! Water in a bullet took down my entire network but that was a version 1 release which the water was coming into the LED strip. This has been fixed. However, in MY case it was from a failed install where installer boy taped the omni connector down to the N connector forcing the water column in to the bullet. A bad install can cause many horrors no matter the manufacturer. Be brave, my friend. Save the major mojo. Try the UBNT stuff. Bobenstein- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!! Forbes, Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole network. If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider deploying UBNT or not. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!! Ron, I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or just where is WireShark? The program I just got from google. Ultimately I went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network. Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred immediately when that person was on. I went to their house and the Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem gone... a VERY long weekend! Let me know if you need any other help. Those guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right on! Forbes On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: Forbes, I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had. Could you share the Wireshark you learned from Brett? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is being in WISPA. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts
UBNT is giving me headaches, I have canopy and I am loosing sleep at night because of the price of this UBNT gear and wondering if I should start deploying it or not. There is canopy gear out there that is 5 years old and still in service. Does anyone think that the UBNT gear will last this long or will it be like the 802.11b stuff in a couple years where you were basically throwing it all in the trash? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Hi Faisal and the list We have also been using UBNT quite a bit lately over the last couple of years. Im anxious to try some of the 900 and 3.65 when the time is right. Nano 2 and Nano 5 have been in our arsenal for as long as they have been out. Never had a lick of trouble with them other than a WPA issue on the very first ones. It got fixed quickly in firmware. Have now been using Nano 5M for some short links as well. They seem to work well, giving great throughput, but we have had a couple that want to lock up. Havent put the watchdog on yet. I think the issue is likely with WPA- seems like that has been an issue with several manufacturers who use that chipset. I think the UBNT forum has some threads on that. We try to keep them on the latest firmware (and sometimes on the beta ). We have a PowerStation 5 link with 2 2 dishes going 20+ miles and it just hasnt missed a beat. Recently lightning took out all the Tranzeo and Deliberant on the tower and only 2 things kept on ticking: The Canopy AP and the PowerStation 5. A lot of our old Deliberant and Tranzeo gear is getting eaten by lightning and some of the Deliberant boxes (the gray ones) are beginning to leak and corrode inside, so we are switching to UBNT as that happens. We have a long Rocket 5M link up with 2 dishes and it works pretty well so far. Because of the 20 mile distance, we need to increase dish size though. Signal isnt good enough to use Airmax. Just put up a tower cluster of 3 Rocket 2 radios/sectors replacing some Deliberant 2700s. So far so good, but dont have enough users on it yet to tell about any issues with the sector patterns. We have never used a piece of uncertified gear! I value my license (Amateur one) too much to get involved with illegal activities and the FCC. They tend to go harshly on Licensees for violations even in other services. The Latvians make great routers (we use them almost exclusively) but I wouldnt touch their wireless with a 10 foot pole. There is plenty of reasonably priced great gear out there whose manufacturers do go the extra distance to get certified. Just my .02 from a good old Southern boy. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP H.which models .? What version of firmware. ? We have been using the M gear...and have not seen any lockups Fwiw...the also have watchdog built in for reboots... Faisal On Aug 8, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links. The issues we are finding is that the dang things just stop. The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com - Author of http://www.routerosbook.com/ Learn RouterOS From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL! On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance. Where is the fun in all of that? I desire a product that demands constant attention. -Albert -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA
Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts
Those prices are crazy on the DSL, 15/month without phone line with no contract, how can any wireless provider compete. However whats going to happen when they have that many DSL subs with the crosstalk? Will their service degrade? Also, I have been looking at the Moto PMP430 series and I hear rumors of a 2.4ghz OFDM line coming, (my prayers may be answered). These products would be equivalent to the UBNT MIMO in speeds. Im not too crazy about the UBNT plastic shell as they just seem of less quality when you stick them side by side to the Moto gear. I doubt we will be seeing SYNC on the UBNT stuff anytime soon, might even require a complete new product line. However, considering the MOTO gear has sync TODAY and the same throughput as UBNT MIMO and the moto stuff is non-MIMO, I would go with the MOTO because I can put up an Omni versus the UBNT I need a bunch of sectors. Also if the market plays like it did with the old Canopy FSK gear at least our equipment will hold re-sale value if we do have to change it down the road versus the UBNT I fear you will have a hard time finding someone to give it away too. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts Well. I don't know how things are in Ohio... but in our neck of the woods, things are getting interesting. Will high light 3 points, you make your own conclusions. 1. For our area, broadband is pretty much a duopoly . Comcast is doing this http://business.comcast.com/internet/plans.aspx Comcast Resi: 1.5m x 384k $24.95/month 15meg x 3meg $42.95/month ATT DSLResi : . http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=11575 http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=11575source=ICDS25115W0DWPCPO source=ICDS25115W0DWPCPO DSL Bussiness: http://smallbusiness.bellsouth.com/internet_dsl_services.html U-Verse Resi : http://www.att.com/u-verse/explore/internet-landing.jsp U-Verse Business http://smallbusiness.bellsouth.com/uverse_internet.html ATT Comcast are now going at it with each other aggressively.. .I just ordered Naked Uverse service for 3 residential locations $24.95 each with $29activation, not install, no contract, no equipment fees, (att will provide onsite install router) 12 month promo... for 18meg x 1 meg service. 2. Our customers are wanting faster internet without having to pay top dollars for it. the direction things are going in ... in most metro areas sub 10meg (asymmetric) are most likely going to be the dialup accounts of yesterday... 3. Questions for WISP's What technology is available on the shelf, even half baked that can be deployed in the field that can allow you to deliver competitive services to your customers ? If you don't do that. then be prepared to be marginalized shortly... Having said that...Our past experience as a Wireline ISP has been that... 3-5 years is a petty good amount of time to get your money's worth from equipment deployed in the field.. after that much time, you have to start a technology replenishment cycle.. Based on what I know, today, UBNT has the most affordable, almost working 95%.baked, 802.11n MIMO gear available and is rapidly making improvements... I also know that there a few other folks feverishly working on getting 802.11n , MIMO radios / drivers / hardware to the market place.. So.. tomorrow is definitely going to be a brighter day for the WISP's... but you have to start laying out strategy / and planning from now... We consider ourselves fortunate, having spent over $10,000 in legacy gear (Alvarion, Trango, Moto Canoly, Staros) which was NEVER Deployed (only tested in the lab..) have choose to start our deployment with the 802.11n Gear from UBNT.. I am sure we will pay a price for learning, as we go along, but it is the only stuff that at the moment has the potential to give us a fighting chance to be able to compete and survive as a decent sized niche provider. (ohh.. did I forget to mention.. in our area.. you have to offer phone services as well.. ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 8/8/2010 7:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: UBNT is giving me headaches, I have canopy and I am loosing sleep at night because of the price of this UBNT gear and wondering if I should start deploying it or not. There is canopy gear out there that is 5 years old and still in service. Does anyone think that the UBNT gear will last this long or will it be like the 802.11b stuff in a couple years where you were basically throwing it all in the trash? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
Tranzeo is certified. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Certified? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Mikrotik :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
Josh, You rock! That program is only 200kb and it recovered from what I could tell all of my data. That little program did more than the others I've found that I almost was going to pay form THANKS! -Kurt Fankhauser -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders http://iam8up.com/iam8up/Restoration.exe Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Stop using that PC, do as little read/write as possible. I'll look for the the utility I used way back when. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I am in the most need right now, I have a separate partition that is dedicated solely to backup purposes. I had about 20GB of folders and files and I accidentally sent them to the Recycle Bin, but apparently the recycle bin cant handle that many so it just deleted them all. What file recovery program works best to restore folders with the files to the way it was before this happened? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
I sure do! Next time your in the area give me a call. Your not that far from me anyhow. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders You owe me a beer :P Glad it worked for you. The date I found that was in 2003! On Aug 4, 2010 11:40 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Josh, You rock! That program is only 200kb and it recovered from what I could tell all of my data. That little program did more than the others I've found that I almost was going to pay form THANKS! -Kurt Fankhauser -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On ... Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover de... http://iam8up.com/iam8up/Restoration.exe Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 110... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
I am in the most need right now, I have a separate partition that is dedicated solely to backup purposes. I had about 20GB of folders and files and I accidentally sent them to the Recycle Bin, but apparently the recycle bin can't handle that many so it just deleted them all. What file recovery program works best to restore folders with the files to the way it was before this happened? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
Thankfully the data is on drive D, I have stopped using the PC and will try the links you guys provided. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders Stop using that PC, do as little read/write as possible. I'll look for the the utility I used way back when. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I am in the most need right now, I have a separate partition that is dedicated solely to backup purposes. I had about 20GB of folders and files and I accidentally sent them to the Recycle Bin, but apparently the recycle bin can't handle that many so it just deleted them all. What file recovery program works best to restore folders with the files to the way it was before this happened? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to the customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. -Kurt Fankhauser - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone else. In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you are doing NAT. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict (I think it's called open?). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Forbes, I remember seeing something similar to this on the list a few months back. Turned out he guy was running a bridged network and water got into the Ethernet connector on a Bullet and was causing Layer2 broadcast storms on the network. Very similar results to what you are reporting. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Forbes, Another thing to check, do you have any switches that do POE? Make sure you don't have a CAT5 wire with water getting inside and traveling all the way down into your switch and dumping water in there. -Kurt Fankhauser - Original Message - From: John Kingsley j...@wakenet.ca To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Forbes Mercy wrote: Wow very interesting hypothesis since it happened right after a lightning storm with heavy rain. Trouble is I shut off all six backhauls and started turning them on one by one until I had a IP conflict warning then turned that one off, the IP conflict happened again, yes I did arp -d to clear the bouncing out of it but then it happened on a different tower, I just can't seem to find it and yes we're way too large to be bridged, that was our summer project to become routed but that doesn't help today. It's a great idea but I have 54 AP's so I don't know where to start. Forbes Hi Forbes, I agree with Kurt (below), sounds like a layer2 issue. I had similar issues in the past, after storms. Typically a dumb switch on the network goes bad, and causing arp problems. Now ... the hard part... how to find which device is causing the problem? Some ideas: 1) Try pinging a device on your network that you know is working fine. If you can't reach it, then good! Now immediately dump your arp table and look for the mac address of the ip you are trying to ping. This mac might be the bad device. Or at least it might point in the right direction (if you're doing proxy-arp on some of your links then the bad device may be located on the other side of this mac). 2) Start up wireshark (or tcpdump) and watch the arp packets. Look for a mac address which show up a lot. Dump your arp table and see what ip addresses match this mac address. Look for arp table entries which have the same mac, which is not normal (unless you're doing proxy-arp). Doing this may give some clues. If you have many different types of devices on your network, use one of the mac lookup tools to find out what kind of device it is, given the mac address: http://www.coffer.com/mac_find This might help narrow down the device. 3) Watch the stats on the radios to see which clients or radio links have high packet counts. If there is an arp storm, this may help you narrow down which client is causing the storm. (ideally do it at a time when your network is normally quiet, like early morning) 4) Focus on sites where you have dumb switches installed. I find these dumb switches often go berserk when zapped. 5) Focus on sites that have had problems in past storms. Chances are higher that they are causing your current problem. (in my case these sites are the ones which don't have shielded cat5 or are poorly grounded) 6) If your network covers a large geographical area and the storm was localized then focus on looking for the bad device in the area where the storm hit hard. Good luck. John On 8/1/2010 11:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Forbes, I remember seeing something similar to this on the list a few months back. Turned out he guy was running a bridged network and water got into the Ethernet connector on a Bullet and was causing Layer2 broadcast storms on the network. Very similar results to what you are reporting. Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection
I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out. Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went away. Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. If its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate static. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting on silos
Some of them old silo's like you are describing are pretty scary. I've been on them too and seen a lot of safety issues from the fall protection cage being rusted through and falling, to the top cap trying to fall off. Just be careful climbing those things! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mounting on silos I have a couple of POPs that are silos. Several of them are old concrete silos with metal domes. The top of the dome is more than 10' above the top of the concrete. I have been mounting with 10' pipe on the ladder side and not servicing customers on the back side. It has also worked out that the backhauls are on the ladder side as well. This year the trees seem to be growing a lot more leaves than in the past. I have a couple of silos that I need to get the backhaul higher than the 10' mast will allow. If I can get above the dome, I could also increase the covereage area. So, the question is, for those of you using silos, how to you get above the dome? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy
Geeze, what about at 900mhz? won't the sun dry it back out? How do they expect anyone to seal these connectors on the bottom of that antenna I shown in the pics when the connector is barely sticking out far enough to screw the N connector to it Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy bhahahahahahaha n type connectors are NOT water proof! They WILL get water into them. What happens is the sun comes out and warms up the connector. Then it rains on it, quickly cooling the connector off. That creates a vacuum inside the connector, sucking a bit of water inside. I've literally seen mold growing inside connectors that weren't taped or taped right. Try this. Put your connection (use a toss away one) inside the dish washer. Then toss it into the freezer. Back to the dish washer, then set it in cold water. Then the oven, back to cold water. Might use some salt water too, that'll speed up any corrosion. If you get ANY water showing up in the connector you've got to do a better job of sealing it. I just took down a competitor's tower site at a farmer who fired them. They didn't seal the connector at the top of the tower. Water got into the coax and drifted 50' down the tower, into the box and rusted the amp that they were using at the bottom of the tower! EVERYTHING outside needs to be sealed up at these frequencies. Good luck! grin marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy Marco, I took your advice on the Polyphaser and came up with a way to put it on without adding extra coax. Just screwed the Poly directly to the antenna. So it's grounded through the antenna mount itself. I sealed the bottom connection but not the top, I know, I probly should have but I was looking at the top connection and I see absolutely no way water can get into the center pin. Even if it starts to fill up in the connector it will quickly drain out of there before it fills up high enough to go over the wall to get into the center connector. I tightened the top connector down pretty good with a wrench also so we'll see... BTW the zip ties are temporary! Forgot to grab two hose clamps and I'll be up tomorrow for the 900mhz AP and antenna and I'll get it then. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy I highly recommend them. Even on DC grounded antennas. Especially when mounted to the top of a tower. Marco On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Is it necessary to add Poly Phaser lightning arrestors on connectorized Canopy units? Even if they are mounted to the tippy top of tower with an Omni? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy
Hey never thought about the machine shop, that's a good idea. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy I hear ya Kurt. Not sure about the 900mhz part. In my mind the problem isn't only the moisture, it's also the corrosion that comes with it. 900 handles water better than 2.4 or 5 gig does, very true. But a corroded connector isn't going to work as well as a clean one. And it's not like the old VHF days when we had tens or hundreds of watts to play with and only voice, that no one expected to sound perfectly, to transport. Me? I just don't buy devices that I can't weather seal. I tell manufactures that all of the time. I don't care if you can give me a $5.00 radio that will deliver 200mbps to home users at 50 miles on the other side of a mountain, if I can't make it reliable I just can't use it these days. Internet is no longer a toy used for sending the occasional email and downloading one's favorite songs. I've tried silicone in a situation like that but there is something inside it that will actually speed up the corrosion inside the connector. So far the best thing I've found is to take the offending device to a machine shop and modify it. And/or use jumpers so you've got more room to work with. Have fun! marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy Geeze, what about at 900mhz? won't the sun dry it back out? How do they expect anyone to seal these connectors on the bottom of that antenna I shown in the pics when the connector is barely sticking out far enough to screw the N connector to it Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy bhahahahahahaha n type connectors are NOT water proof! They WILL get water into them. What happens is the sun comes out and warms up the connector. Then it rains on it, quickly cooling the connector off. That creates a vacuum inside the connector, sucking a bit of water inside. I've literally seen mold growing inside connectors that weren't taped or taped right. Try this. Put your connection (use a toss away one) inside the dish washer. Then toss it into the freezer. Back to the dish washer, then set it in cold water. Then the oven, back to cold water. Might use some salt water too, that'll speed up any corrosion. If you get ANY water showing up in the connector you've got to do a better job of sealing it. I just took down a competitor's tower site at a farmer who fired them. They didn't seal the connector at the top of the tower. Water got into the coax and drifted 50' down the tower, into the box and rusted the amp that they were using at the bottom of the tower! EVERYTHING outside needs to be sealed up at these frequencies. Good luck! grin marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy Marco, I took your advice on the Polyphaser and came up with a way to put it on without adding extra coax. Just screwed the Poly directly to the antenna. So it's grounded through the antenna mount itself. I sealed the bottom connection but not the top, I know, I probly should have but I was looking at the top connection and I see absolutely no way water can get into the center pin. Even if it starts to fill up in the connector it will quickly drain out of there before it fills up high enough to go over the wall to get into the center connector. I tightened the top connector down pretty good with a wrench also so we'll see... BTW the zip ties are temporary! Forgot to grab two hose clamps and I'll be up tomorrow for the 900mhz AP and antenna and I'll get it then. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy I highly recommend them. Even on DC grounded antennas. Especially when mounted to the top of a tower. Marco On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Is it necessary to add
[WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy
Is it necessary to add Poly Phaser lightning arrestors on connectorized Canopy units? Even if they are mounted to the tippy top of tower with an Omni? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 900mhz co-locate with farm RTK
Does anyone here have any 900mhz Canopy co-located on the same tower with a farmers Real Time Kinetics for the GPS in the tractors? I know they use 900mhz and I talked to the company here local that put the RTK on the tower and they claim that they had stuff on a tower once with another ISP doing 900mhz Canopy and the ISP said that he could not tell of any interference to his customers or AP but the guys tractors wouldnt receive for about ¼ mile around the site that the Canopy equipment was on. I have a site where I am thinking of deploying Canopy on and I can get 10 feet of horizontal separation from the RTK antenna but cant get any vertical separation. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WTB Canopy 5.4ghz
Looking for some 5.4ghz Canopy either new or used. Gonna be making a 1/8 mile shot and 5.4 is only option. If anyone has any BH or AP/SM's preferable P10's contact me offlist. thanks Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] rb1100
Does anyone have the RB1100 in stock yet? -Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA classifieds?
This brings up another point. What do you do with old gear that just plain isn't worth keeping? Its taking up valuable space and you can't even give it away so the landfill is looking like its final resting place. I have been thinking lately of using my old TR-CPE-200's as clay pigeons but then I would have to go clean up the mess.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA classifieds? Hello, I've asked before, but I still haven't got an answer. Does WISPA have any online classifieds for used WISP equipment? I'm looking for a licensed link, and I have mountains of Trango 5800(-d), Trango 900, Tranzeo, and a few Trango ATLAS backhaul units I'd like liquidate. (I've also got a HUGE pile of Raylink, alvarion 900, and SmartBridges, but I'll probably have to just haul those to the dump). I'm thinking of throwing up a classifieds page for WISPs, but I really don't want to duplicate, if someone else already has one. Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hamvention
You can't use a fiberglass omni at the top of a tower and expect it to survive a strike unless it has a copper groundrod built inside of it protruding from the top in which it was designed to take a strike. Learned this from various HAM radio operators. Only 2.4ghz omni I know of that has a metal frame and can survive direct strikes are slotted waveguides such as the various H-POL omni's you see. If I'm going to use a VPOL omni I make sure I'm not the tallest guy on the tower. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:16 PM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hamvention Ya, the pop (pun intended:) is growing so hopefully it gets sectors soon! On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@backwoodswireless.net wrote: On 05/16/2010 07:08 PM, RickG wrote: I'm sorry Bob! I was slacking all night on a water tank after it took a direct hit. Picture of omni attached. Even with LP in place, it melted the cabling down to the enclosure and burned up everything in it! I got it back up running by dropping temporary cables down the side of the tower. A dozen man hours later - it's all new. Maybe next year! We had a multi-band comet VHF/UHF for our club repeater on the top of a 10 story building in Coral Springs a number of years ago and it got blown apart similarly. They work good but explode like that when hit. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] cyclone 900mhz omni
Does cyclone manufacture this 900mhz HPOL omni or do they re-brand it from someone else? Does anyone have a link to the data sheet for this omni? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 900mhz tranzeo gear
Bought a few Tranzeo 900mhz items for testing purposes. Compared it to Canopy 900 and ended up going with the Canopy. Anyways I have the following items that aren't being used if anyone needs them contact me offlist. Items look brand new was only up for a week. 1x TR-902-N 1x TR-SL9-8 1x TR-SL9-N Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I have verified with a spectrum analyzer you can run two cards stacked on top in a 433 in the same 5.8 band as long as the channels you are using are at complete opposite ends of the band. 5745 and 5825 and 20mhz channels and they will not bleed over. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Usually 5.8 to the tower, and 5.2 for the repeater. I haven't done any repeaters like this since DFS. I do have a couple at 2.4. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 4:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....
Tranzeo needs to step up their game, I mean, look how many manufacturers have Mimo-N radio's out now. Look how long it took Tranzeo to add 802.11G to the CPQ line. Then 10mhz channels on top of that. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again. I have yet to find a Tranzeo AP that works. Pull it out and put nearly anything else in it's place. I use MT for ap's and have not looked back. How many Tranzeo ap's would you like? I've got stacks of them on the shelf (I use them for REALLY small repeater sites). marlon - Original Message - From: Kosinet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again. Hey all, I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of good answers right now. We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged, including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public IP address space is 98.100.x.x) We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed them into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant is the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from work flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's the question. Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems? -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Found a spot
I agree, if you start doing installs for less than $100 you'll have people that get it one month and are gone the next. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Found a spot This is a reason to charge an install fee. We use it as 'a barrier to entry'. Most people,if they can raise the $200 to setup and another $45 for the 1st month, or $245 up front, will pay their bills. Every time I fall for a sob story about the install price, the client becomes a 'problem child' within a few months. Something to think about in a 'low income' area. Jeremie Chism wrote: If they don't gave the money to spend, there is no wy to overcome that. I woul make sure there are enough people with disposable income to make it worth your time. And it will take more time than you think. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Liam Cummings mailto:lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com mailto:lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com wrote: Also I'm still researching but appears to be a low income area. Any thoughts on that? Sent from my Datacom Specialists black berry - Original Message - From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue May 04 18:14:59 2010 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Found a spot I service an area with multiple isp's wisps as well as Comcast and ATT. The key is to differentiate yourself. It could be service or faster upload speeds or just a local business. Don't fear competition. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com wrote: Ok I think I found a location to start providing services. Should I be concerned that a large isp is close by and could be in this area with in a couple of years? Sent from my Datacom Specialists black berry --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
What gain of YAGI are you using? You didn't say how well it was working or not either. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. I know for a fact at least one person on the other list you and I share is doing it. It was suggested to me a few months ago. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Is anyone here currently using 3 YAGI's to achieve 360 degree coverage with 3 Canopy 900 radio's? How is this working for you? Reason I am asking is because the 3 sectors are so huge that the windload on the tower is too much and looking for alternatives. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:53 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol SectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. SuperPass is an excellent antenna brand. The founder has several unique patents in antenna technologies, that other antenna manufacturers would love to get their hands on. There are several uique end results they offer... 1) They tend to make it possible to make shorter antennas for similar gain. For example with 5.x sectors, the make some of the most compact sector antennas on the market. 2) They can make them very cost effectively, and still have them perform well. These are great for repeaters, where there is a low budget, and cosmetics and size is a concern, and closer to the ground where less durable mounts are perfectly acceptable. Now everybody cant be everthing to everybody. Just like anything else in this industry, and Provider needs to define what they need and pick an antenna that matches their specific need. SuperPass is NOT a MTI antenna, they really serve two different market segments. MTIs are EXPENSIVE and LARGE and HEAVY, the exact opposite of a Superpass antenna. Of course the MTI is going to outperform the Superpass in most cases. The MTI was purpose built to get optimal RF characteristics out of the technology, and the trade off is expense, size, and weight. But the MTI makes a VERY high quality antenna, if not one of the very best, from the perspective of RF pattern, isolation, and sturdiness. In 900Mhz, our personal favorite are the Tiltek sector antennas. We like them because they have excellent front to back isolation and quick drop on beamwidth edge comparatively, have rock solid mounting hardware thats easy to adjust, and priced a bot lower than other high end antennas. We find Winncom to be a good source for these, although I'm sure there are other good sources. The Tilteks have both a Dual Pol and Single pol options. I dont think its possible to buy a better antenna. Again, with quality, also comes size. This is a 4ft by 1.5ft antenna at about 10db for 120deg. (Thats not exact db spec) There also becomes a convenience factor to consider. We Almost always use the Trango built in antennas when we can, and I've heard that people using Canopy are happy with the Canopy brand integrated 900Sector. When the sectors quality reallty starts to matter is when trying to colocatemultiple antennas near each other to get full 360 degrees. With the Tilteks, we can get 3 120degree sectors of the same polarity colocated without self interference (meaning all on adjacent channels), fasten directly to a Guyed tower structure (meaning very little horizontal seperation, maybe 3ft) if we put about 15ft of verticle seperation between each antenna. Originally, we put them back to back, which worked way better than the other native antennas could. The excellent F/B ratio and tight beamwidth made that possible. But as our buildout grew, and we had more links and varying signal strengths, and more close to beamwidth edges than others, we recognized a clear improvement when we added the verticle seperation also. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. To start out with, I have
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
Alvarion 900mhz for NLOS. Only thing that works worth a darn if your going through trees plus the AP's support handoff's between towers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) So, in the patrol cars what is recommended? (700Mhz? / 900Mhz?) Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:30 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) 4.9 performs just like 5.2 and 5.8. There is no NLOS. I have deployed a lot of it for PD surveillance cameras. The noise floor is low, but I still have links that just will refuse to work. And there are only 2 non overlapping channels unless you squeeze your bandwidth. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) How does 4.9 perform in nLOS? Specifically looking at either the Ubiquiti SR4 or Dbii f50-PRO Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) They've got old laptops. But, I'd like to have an upgrade path for when they get new laptops. On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yep, that's what I tried to do. If the laptop is to be stationary in the vehicle it wouldn't be an issue. But again, the thing is PCMCIA, you'd probably need the express card instead. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use a different external connector with a different antenna? On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with the antenna and cable hanging off the thing. It really IS a messy setup. Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess totally goes away. If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an SMA connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card. Depending on AP placememt, it should talk to them fine. I'm actually typing this on a laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with the internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar feather for poor relaibility! On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it And here is why.. It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card. My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old Toshiba to use the thing The antenna clips to the screen. Gets
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol SectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
Is anyone here currently using 3 YAGI's to achieve 360 degree coverage with 3 Canopy 900 radio's? How is this working for you? Reason I am asking is because the 3 sectors are so huge that the windload on the tower is too much and looking for alternatives. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:53 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol SectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. SuperPass is an excellent antenna brand. The founder has several unique patents in antenna technologies, that other antenna manufacturers would love to get their hands on. There are several uique end results they offer... 1) They tend to make it possible to make shorter antennas for similar gain. For example with 5.x sectors, the make some of the most compact sector antennas on the market. 2) They can make them very cost effectively, and still have them perform well. These are great for repeaters, where there is a low budget, and cosmetics and size is a concern, and closer to the ground where less durable mounts are perfectly acceptable. Now everybody cant be everthing to everybody. Just like anything else in this industry, and Provider needs to define what they need and pick an antenna that matches their specific need. SuperPass is NOT a MTI antenna, they really serve two different market segments. MTIs are EXPENSIVE and LARGE and HEAVY, the exact opposite of a Superpass antenna. Of course the MTI is going to outperform the Superpass in most cases. The MTI was purpose built to get optimal RF characteristics out of the technology, and the trade off is expense, size, and weight. But the MTI makes a VERY high quality antenna, if not one of the very best, from the perspective of RF pattern, isolation, and sturdiness. In 900Mhz, our personal favorite are the Tiltek sector antennas. We like them because they have excellent front to back isolation and quick drop on beamwidth edge comparatively, have rock solid mounting hardware thats easy to adjust, and priced a bot lower than other high end antennas. We find Winncom to be a good source for these, although I'm sure there are other good sources. The Tilteks have both a Dual Pol and Single pol options. I dont think its possible to buy a better antenna. Again, with quality, also comes size. This is a 4ft by 1.5ft antenna at about 10db for 120deg. (Thats not exact db spec) There also becomes a convenience factor to consider. We Almost always use the Trango built in antennas when we can, and I've heard that people using Canopy are happy with the Canopy brand integrated 900Sector. When the sectors quality reallty starts to matter is when trying to colocatemultiple antennas near each other to get full 360 degrees. With the Tilteks, we can get 3 120degree sectors of the same polarity colocated without self interference (meaning all on adjacent channels), fasten directly to a Guyed tower structure (meaning very little horizontal seperation, maybe 3ft) if we put about 15ft of verticle seperation between each antenna. Originally, we put them back to back, which worked way better than the other native antennas could. The excellent F/B ratio and tight beamwidth made that possible. But as our buildout grew, and we had more links and varying signal strengths, and more close to beamwidth edges than others, we recognized a clear improvement when we added the verticle seperation also. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. To start out with, I have heard nothing but bad news about Super Pass. I have never used them, so I am NOT speaking from experience. I am also a 80% or more Canopy shop...so take that as you will. For Canopy, I have used 120 degree H-pol Tiltek sectors...they work !@@@!...@!@ great! But they are expensive I am one to buy the close to what I think is best first and worry about the consequences later. I sleep better. Now in your situation, the Super Pass may work great? The only 900 Mhz I have used is Canopy. Canopy supposedly has the magic sauce of GPS timing. On the Tiltek sectors, with Canopy, I have customers out to 10.5 miles away and could have further but that is the the MAX AP distance that is set on my Moto 900 AP's. If you are trying to go PTP, I can offer you some suggestions on things much cheaper. If you are going to try PtMP, my suggestion will be Canopy unless you expect less than 20 subs. Scott
Re: [WISPA] MT PtP
What 350mw card are you using? I wouldn't use anything less than XR5 or R5H because their receive sensitivity is so much better. Plus you will use MMCX connectors with these two cards which is going to save you a lot of headaches over u.fl. Also definitely turn on N-stream. I had a link that was bouncing around between 75-90% ccq and couldn't ever get it up higher than that. As soon as I turned on N-stream my ccq went to 100/100%. And modulation locks itself at 54/54 all day long. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:23 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MT PtP I want to setup an MT point to point using two MT 411 boards, 350mw cards and a 23db rootena. Distance is 7km. Is there anything I need to tweak or watch out for? New to MT. I have setup a basic link and tested in the office. Thanks Akin Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT PtP
How much throughput are you getting on the 900mhz with N-stream? 10mhz and 5mhz channels? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP Works good for me. Robert West wrote: What about N-stream with 900Mhz? Is that just asking for trouble? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:23 AM To: aajayi...@as-technologies.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP What 350mw card are you using? I wouldn't use anything less than XR5 or R5H because their receive sensitivity is so much better. Plus you will use MMCX connectors with these two cards which is going to save you a lot of headaches over u.fl. Also definitely turn on N-stream. I had a link that was bouncing around between 75-90% ccq and couldn't ever get it up higher than that. As soon as I turned on N-stream my ccq went to 100/100%. And modulation locks itself at 54/54 all day long. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:23 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MT PtP I want to setup an MT point to point using two MT 411 boards, 350mw cards and a 23db rootena. Distance is 7km. Is there anything I need to tweak or watch out for? New to MT. I have setup a basic link and tested in the office. Thanks Akin Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT PtP
Yes I have used the R5H and LOVE IT. Very nice card and a good price. I think it performs better than the XR5. However some people say that the card burns up easily but I run them all locked at 20db power output for all the modulation rates. I do this for two reasons. First so that the signal level stays consistent across all the rates, and Second, if they do have an issue with burning up, I'm running them at 1db under their rated power output so I'm not stressing the power amplifier built into the card. Also don't ever power them up without an antenna attached I've heard that makes them burn up as well. I have not had any such problems at all. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP Have you used the r5h? The r52n is very disappointing. On 4/28/10, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: What 350mw card are you using? I wouldn't use anything less than XR5 or R5H because their receive sensitivity is so much better. Plus you will use MMCX connectors with these two cards which is going to save you a lot of headaches over u.fl. Also definitely turn on N-stream. I had a link that was bouncing around between 75-90% ccq and couldn't ever get it up higher than that. As soon as I turned on N-stream my ccq went to 100/100%. And modulation locks itself at 54/54 all day long. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:23 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MT PtP I want to setup an MT point to point using two MT 411 boards, 350mw cards and a 23db rootena. Distance is 7km. Is there anything I need to tweak or watch out for? New to MT. I have setup a basic link and tested in the office. Thanks Akin Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT PtP
Some people say there is 1db or 2db loss on the pigtail due to the MMCX connector. This is not the MMCX connectors fault but it is due to the connector being a right angle connector. I finally caught on to this when I was testing a right angle barrel N-connector versus a straight barrel N-connector. Anything with a right angled connector was showing a loss of 1-2db. Switched to straight-MMCX connectors and gained a couple db on all links. And this right angled connector loss is present on EVERYTHING from cable TV to VHF/UHF land mobile radio's. I put a right angled F-connector adapter on a cable TV coax once and the TV screen went from clear to fuzzy. I won't use right angle connectors on anything anymore no matter what it is, wireless internet or whatever. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP Oh, no, not the MMCX! That stupid U.fl crap. Love the MMCX. All my MT cards are u.fl, I couldn't afford the MMCX MT. Crazy premium for good connectors. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP Mmcx connector popped off??? On 4/28/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've had two burn out from the connector popping off for whatever reason. I learned to tape them on after that. But even with that, I finally pulled them all down. But they really do make for a great dual band card for laptops, the R52H ones, that is. Since we run both 2.4 and 5.8 I can see everything with them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP Yes I have used the R5H and LOVE IT. Very nice card and a good price. I think it performs better than the XR5. However some people say that the card burns up easily but I run them all locked at 20db power output for all the modulation rates. I do this for two reasons. First so that the signal level stays consistent across all the rates, and Second, if they do have an issue with burning up, I'm running them at 1db under their rated power output so I'm not stressing the power amplifier built into the card. Also don't ever power them up without an antenna attached I've heard that makes them burn up as well. I have not had any such problems at all. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP Have you used the r5h? The r52n is very disappointing. On 4/28/10, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: What 350mw card are you using? I wouldn't use anything less than XR5 or R5H because their receive sensitivity is so much better. Plus you will use MMCX connectors with these two cards which is going to save you a lot of headaches over u.fl. Also definitely turn on N-stream. I had a link that was bouncing around between 75-90% ccq and couldn't ever get it up higher than that. As soon as I turned on N-stream my ccq went to 100/100%. And modulation locks itself at 54/54 all day long. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:23 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MT PtP I want to setup an MT point to point using two MT 411 boards, 350mw cards and a 23db rootena. Distance is 7km. Is there anything I need to tweak or watch out for? New to MT. I have setup a basic link and tested in the office. Thanks Akin Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mast/Tower
I can drive to American Tower from my house and get there in 20 minutes :) If you are looking for anything that's not an actual tower check out this company. http://www.skywalker.com/ I use them for roof mounts, mast mounts, and any other kind of mount you didn't even know existed they have it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mast/Tower For me every install is different so other than the j-arm mounts, it's a crap shoot on what we need. I keep my eye out for used tower sections and even knock on doors to see if I can have old American Tower TV towers that are no longer needed. Plus the local scrap yard keeps an eye out too so for me, it's just about anything that will go up and stay up. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mast/Tower We are looking into a mast/tv tower type product for our client installations, I'm interested what others are using to accomplish this today. Looking for the best compromise between low cost and labor. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII
Now Hams are coming to us wanting Internet bandwidth for interconnecting the D-Star digital repeaters that Icom makes. Makes for a nice trade for tower rent on some towers a WISP may not normally easily access. I have had this happen to me as well, hams are letting me use tower space in exchange for bandwidth on the sites. They are generally good people to have on your side as I have made many uses of them. And they too have converted me over to becoming a HAM as well. KD8KRT Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 4:53 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII On 04/26/2010 03:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Correct. Ham radio can not be used for any commercial purpose. WISP-type operation for money is not legal. A ham radio club could operate an Internet-connected access point for their own use (like for emergency communications, experimentation, etc.) but the access point and each end-point (CPE) would need to be under the control of a licensed amateur radio operator. it depends...you can, over an autopatch, order a pizza from a take-out or call your doctor if you are late for an appt. As long as there is no pecuniary interest to the control op/trustee is the key. So IMHO an amateur could put up an access point and as long as he doesnt have apecuniary interest (i.e. subscription fees) that would work BUT the CPE would also have to be an amateur and likewise there but there shouldn't be any issue browsing the web and even doing transactions over that circuit. I;m not trying to open a can of worms but this is info I've gleaned over the years. Our repeater club in Florida, still exists (when I moved to PA I passed on the truseteeship), was always a front runner on licensing issues as well as a wide interpretation of the rules. Leon WA4ZLW jack Jeromie Reeves wrote: Aside the moral issue with that, is it not 'no commercial transactions' when operating under ham rules? On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Yes; a very dirty and disreputable way. Any ham who tries this should remember that What goes around comes around. jack K6XS Tom Sharples wrote: For those WISPs who are licensed hams, that certainly suggests a unique way to get rid of your competitors who aren't :-) Tom S. WA6HAS - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII On 4/26/2010 10:06 AM, Philip Dorr wrote: HAMs have a secondary license (Lower than Licensed, but higher than unlicensed). HAMs can use 2390MHz-2450MHz and put out a max EIRP of 1.5kW, but in that RF range (2.4GHz) that is called a microwave oven. HAMs can also use 5650MHz-5925MHz. http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Hambands_color.pdf It's not a secondary license but a secondary allocation. We are still licensed. As I mentioned previously, spread spectrum emission types are not allow that much boost but other emission types are. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
