Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Right, but my point was that Mikrotik doesn't need to be worrying about virtualization. They need to put some more work into QA and USEFUL feature expansion, like into 802.11 and 802.16, not Xen. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations No Mike, not just our systems, any x86 system. That is why we don't think they are ending x86 support any time soon. The package is in testing now and hasn't been officially released. Mikrotik continually works to improve the OS. They normally respond well to bugs and fixes. They take votes from users on feature requests. You can vote at: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik_RouterOS/v3/Feature_Requests Jim Mike Hammett wrote: So let me get this right... Instead of working on wireless drivers, improving the existing feature set, stabilizing the whole router, etc. Mikrotik has been working on making your router virtual server host? Before I complain directly to Mikrotik, could you point me to something official saying that is out? Why don't they add on Media Center capability so I can store movies and TV shows on my router and stream them to my XBox, or heck, let me plug in a TV so I can play them directly from the router? Maybe they could just directly integrate with an XBox 360 and a DirecTV? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Spell checker must have got Dennis. He meant Virtualization (Zen). So now you can have your router, Asterisk, billing, mail server, web server all on one Mikrotik box. Obviously it will take a beefy unit like the PR 2282 to do this. Jim// Mike Hammett wrote: Visualization? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Very seriously doubt they will be dropping support for x86. Seeing that they just introduced visualization only offered on the x86 platform! Scottie Arnett wrote: DD-WRT and OpenWRT pretty much already do this for quite a few chipsets. They are not near the software as Mikrotik or StarOS is...but, if Mikrotikl drops support for x86, I would not be suprised if they or a new project starts very quickly to serve that need. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:01:19 -0600 I am surprised an open source project has not sprung up to do this. - Original Message - From: Japhy Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations Maybe Mikrotik should take a note from Microsoft's book.. Remember how we went through the whole Apple/Windows game? How the company that wrote software for specific hardware lost - hard? For me, (and perhaps the low-end market!) I really just want a card/enclosure/poe/N-connector that I can flash with Linux or something similar; why everyone wants to make their own proprietary firmware sort of baffles me - why not tap into all of the very good code already written and being developed? Unless you are trying to deliver a commercial, polished product aimed at users who are less savvy about the guts and want an easier admin. solution. I.e., Windows and Apple. Look at how the PC market converged towards x86! If Mikrotik or some of the other big firmware companies pressured the hardware market into some sort of interchangeable hardware standard, we wouldn't need to port every stinking firmware flavor. Just saying, I think that Windows is arguably the most successful business model .. ever? And just as a last thought - nobody's really said, well this firmware does X better. Is there anything particularly different between Mikrotik, or StarOS or AirOS? - japhy And no, I am not saying Mikrotik is evil. They are just a profit oriented company with clear idea how to explore their market share and having a really solid businessplan. And just as you will never see Microsoft supporting Linux type software, you will never see Mikrotik supporting NS2/5. Though it's likely you may see Mikrotik version of hardware pretty much the same as NS2/5 sometime soon. On 7/21/08, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While you may be right on their focus being RB
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw my hat into the ring. 3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity, at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed gear. Performance/coverage is on par, or better than 2.4 that most of are used to. Pay a little extra for product, gain access to cleaner spectrum and hopefully a rule set that helps keep it cleaner than our wild wild west unlicensed world. Now deploy 3.650 using 802.16e upgradeable products. The coverage difference when using diversity options goes up significantly. Now 3.650 begins to act and feel more like a 900Mhz product with NLOS coverage capability. Actually our customers, and our field tests are showing that it exceeds 900Mhz often by a large margin. Here are a couple recent field examples all 2nd order diversity: Customer 1- 8.4 mile NLOS location. blocked by heavy trees . 1.5MB download holding CPE in their hand on the ground! Decided to test 5.8 at this location and @ 50' AGL the CPE got a link. 5.8 mounted on the same tower, same height as 3.650. The 5.8 system could not pass data and could just barely maintain association. Customer 2- 12.4 miles away at the owners home. 1.0mb on the ground. This location could not be serviced by 2.4 or 5.8 at 40' above the ground previously. The owner is going to mount Wimax on the roof and I expect he will se 10-12MB at that height. Customer 2- 12.6 miles on the ground. Completely obstructed 6MB down 3MB up. Customer 3- This is one of the most telling. Canopy 900 operator. 3.650 2nd order diversity mounted 10' below Canopy. 100% coverage at 3.650 of a small city. It takes 2 tower locations with 900 here to serve the same area. They gave up field testing because it works everywhere. They the said lets try to break it. We drove to a part of town that is challenged with 900 coverage. They found a traditionally bad coverage spot and drove up to a big tree, took the CPE out of the vehicle and buried it in the tree. -101 signal. They then picked up their VOIP phone and called the NOC and did a can you hear me now? Toll quality voice call. Our internal testing is showing similar results. Using 4th order diversity is showing even better results than above. When you do the upgrade to 16e and add Wave II CPE, Katy bar the door. That coverage is nothing less than jaw dropping. 2.5 miles obstructed with a PC card! Same PC card 1 mile away entering a commercial building, no signal change. Not possible with a traditional system. In this case the wall measured a 25db loss, however STC and MRC diversity gains completely made up for the attenuation once the paths became uncorrelated. Bottom line is diversity is the place to be with Wimax. It is more expensive, so find a way to afford it. Push your vendor for price breaks and don't be bashful. Alvarion for example is willing to work to earn business as well as the others. CPE costs for D and E systems are the same today, E will be much cheaper in the near future. Not all Wimax is the same, so test a site or visit one, you will walk away amazed. My two cents, and we carry all D and E products. Each has its place. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
If you needed virtualization of some type, you could install it as the host OS, then install your Mikrotik or Asterisk or... on top. I guess I meant things that we can't already get somewhere else. Mikrotik themselves has to do a lot of things, but we can do Xen on our own. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: Right, but my point was that Mikrotik doesn't need to be worrying about virtualization. They need to put some more work into QA and USEFUL feature expansion, like into 802.11 and 802.16, not Xen. You don't think XEN can be useful? I have it in testing now on 2 unique types of deployments that will save me about $340 PER location (possibly over 2000 locations)...I find it pretty useful...if it works, that is. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS* *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A glorious victory
Good job! -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] A glorious victory Just got back from a county commission meeting. We appealed conditions placed on a conditional use permit for a new tower. They wanted us to provide a full acre of fall protection clearance around the tower (leased land). That acre would be conveyed to the county. They wanted the parcel fenced, and landscaped. And the provision that no other development could ever be done there. This was for a 100 foot lattice tower in the middle of a cow pasture. I argued equal protection, I showed were they have never made us do this any other location. I told them I wanted the cows to graze under the tower. We argued telecom act and the inapplicability of the ordinance cited. I told them that they should require the local power company to have a clear fall zone around every power pole. The commissioners struck all the conditions. The planning guy was trying at the end to insert elements from the contract between us and the rancher. I objected to anything from that contract being read into the record for that proceeding. They shut him down on that too. The planner is a new guy, just graduated from college in May as a planner or some such thing. Our CUP was one of the first things he did. I tried to reason with him early in the process but he had to strut his stuff. So his stuff got rolled into a very tight tube and forcefully hammered into an orfice. I think I will go out on the back porch and crow a little. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Which is not your average WISP... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Brian, Depends on many factors. The price point of 10k per sector is usually assuming you are talking about purchasing 1-6 sectors. Most of the MFR's are able to and willing to come down in price considerably when frame orders or larger deployments are taken into consideration. Best Regards, Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com http://www.apertonet.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
That's probably EIRP, not radio power. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field You are correct. Don't shoot the messenger. -Eric Jeff Booher wrote: Eric, How can it be possibly legal to use a 36dbm sector in 3.65ghz, unless you are talking about using a 3dbi antenna at the base? Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Redmax 100U - Lower power (23dbm) basesation $10k with sector antenna. Redmax 100UX - Certified last week, higher powered (36dbm) basestation $14k with sector antenna. -Eric John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the performance described. Regards Michael Baird Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering traditional, D, and E products. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireles s Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
I'd say the average WISP is close to 300 - 400. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless POE
I prefer to use PacWireless PoE over any other. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] PacWireless POE Has anyone used the PacWireless 48v POE injectors? I hear they also provide surge protection? The good the bad, the ugly? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless POE
I prefer to use PacWireless PoE over any other. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] PacWireless POE Has anyone used the PacWireless 48v POE injectors? I hear they also provide surge protection? The good the bad, the ugly? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth from a downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that difference. Well, at least not around here. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is what they make Dragonwave for . - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing. We have BW from $6 to $14/meg in this area. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing. We have BW from $6 to $14/meg in this area. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
Single or multiple hop(s)? Is a 60 mile single hop possible? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here. Saving 2-3K per month pays off a Dragonwave pretty quickly. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth from a downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that difference. Well, at least not around here. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is what they make Dragonwave for . - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing. We have BW from $6 to $14/meg in this area. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
ah. I figured you'd need 6 GHz. IIRC, even from the top of the Sears Tower, I'd still need a tower 50' taller than I currently have access to out here. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal With their 11GHz system it is. We use Harris for some long hops like this too. But it must be pure LOS. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal Single or multiple hop(s)? Is a 60 mile single hop possible? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal We have 60 mile Dragonwave systems out here. Saving 2-3K per month pays off a Dragonwave pretty quickly. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal heh, yes, but you're not going to cost effectively get bandwidth from a downtown carrier hotel 60 miles away through suburbia for that difference. Well, at least not around here. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is what they make Dragonwave for . - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal Delivered to your door, no matter where that door is? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal That is pretty high compared to the good deals we are seeing. We have BW from $6 to $14/meg in this area. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
Well, Atlanta isn't in LATA 358 ;-) (as I know you're well aware), but the IP is from Global Crossing (who just upgraded their Atlantic circuit). -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. Who is the bandwidth with? I think I heard mention of this few months back. The 100m loop was from ATT but I do not believe the bandwidth was. Sales guy was not very responsive to anymore questions when I told him we just signed 1 year term elsewhere. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
Well, Atlanta isn't in LATA 358 ;-) (as I know you're well aware), but the IP is from Global Crossing (who just upgraded their Atlantic circuit). -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. Who is the bandwidth with? I think I heard mention of this few months back. The 100m loop was from ATT but I do not believe the bandwidth was. Sales guy was not very responsive to anymore questions when I told him we just signed 1 year term elsewhere. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
Unfortunately, it does not apply there. I'm sitting at $8250 for 100 megs from KDL here in DeKalb, best offer yet. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal I am south in 618-244. I have ATT as my LEC though. Any idea if that is available here also? If yes then that is the best deal I have seen in this area by a factor of 2. Scriv On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While searching for pipes for myself, I found a great deal on bandwidth. The requirements are that you're in LATA 358 and have ATT as your LEC. If you're not sure, let me know and I'll check for you, but it's up to say 60 miles from Chicago in IL and IN. There are always variables and details, but we're looking at under $4k for 100 megs delivered. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal
ATT, Verizon, and Qwest are RBOCs, a subset of ILECs (though the largest by far). There are hundreds of ILECs out there. There's more than 9 and less than... 50? ILECs in Illinois alone, with only 2 of them being RBOCs. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Deal I think you mean clec. ILEC is people like att or verizon. Clec is all the upstarts. Though I could be missing something here. Charles Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio
AFAIK, the R52 is the exact same other than the letters printed on it. The FCC certification for it basically says, Go look at this Compex card, it's the same thing. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Ferre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio But it looks the same. And it is called WLM54G-30dBm so one would assume it's 30dBm radio which is 1000mW? Perhaps the difference is the same as between Mikrotik R52 and Compex WLM54AG? On 7/25/08, George Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, really. That's not the same radio. The only radio at that power level Compex produces now is our version and for us exclusively. Thanks, George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Ferre Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 4:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first 1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio Really http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl;jsessionid=0a01074d1f43c80823dd5df943ac ac24b0d56d908581.e3eTaxaQbxmTe34Pa38Ta38LbNz0?it=Aid=1568 On 7/25/08, George Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as many of our items, Compex does make them for us. And, as with our other hardware items we work with Compex on, they are ours exclusively. These are impressive radios. George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first 1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio They are made by compex: http://www.compex.com.sg/home/products1.asp?20070314532323 Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first 1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080723/20080723006177.html?.v=1 I got a couple of these in my hands to sample yesterday. Haven't had a chance to experiment with them yet. George ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client?
That doesn't apply to the new 5 LNB systems, but I don't have the time to figure out what the new ones are. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client? Directv IF frequencies. Lower IF 950-1450 MHZ Upper IF 1650-2150 MHz So, we are not in the middle of either of those bands. The IF signal should be stronger than any spur an SM or SU could produce. - Original Message - From: Larry A Weidig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client? We have seen this probably a couple of times ourselves. For us in every instance it was the power supply causing the interference. Easy enough to test, unplug the radio but leave the power adapter in the outlet connected to nothing. If still interference you can try swapping the power supply or move one of the two to a different circuit if possible. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client? Are you using the satellite ground block? Is your ethernet cable running up with there cable? If so is it shielded? We have a number of installs literally on the same mast because they didn't want a second mast. We've never had an issue. We run our own ground from the radio to a ground rod and try to keep the cable away from the dish cable. Matt wrote: I had a customer call. She said she had some time so she was going to call before her satellite guy was going to. The customer has been installed for a couple years, but she swears that her 'pixelated' satellite reception on channels 3,5 and 9 are due to my system. The satellite folks replaced the dish, and head, and finally blamed my equipment mount a couple feet to the side of their dish. This customer claims that when pixelation occurs, she can unplug our equipment and the problems 'disappears'. Lets see, 2.4Ghz and what, 6 or 11G for the dish tv. don't see where on the RF front there is a remote possibility of interference. The coax goes around the house, our cat5 goes thru the crawlspace. Anyone ever have these kinds of issues? The customer expects me to re-install equipment on the other side of the house for free? Any suggestions? Can you lock the ethernet on a different rate and see if it makes a difference? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
It's 1 watt per MHz of channel width. It's up to the FCC to certify something for more than 20 MHz of channel space. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Sorry to Hijack this but what was the final EIRP determined by the FCC on 3.65? I remember they were talking about allowing 24 watts I believe I read on the site somewhere. Lastly where on the fcc site do you register your base stations? What about searching the site for deployed base stations in your area? Thanks, Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field That's a lot easier *SAID* than done... Especially when you factor in frame rates / etc (as one configures those depending on the type of traffic) --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Booher Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar GPS settings will yes, make it so operators can coexist without the issues of interference. Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field John, From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same GPS sync, so all WiMax gear with the appropriate timing settings equal can be timed together. Apparently the FCC is requiring it for the equipment to be certified. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their networks over the next 1-3 years. Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they do the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist with each other all over the USA. CPE will be available in all sorts of devices between 2.3 and 3.8 GHz and yes 3.65 falls in that window. Device frequency scanning will be dictated by availabilty. So if the WISP Market, small and large, build compatable 3.65 networks with viable roaming agreements with the right service flows everyone could be happy. Keep in mind the right things need to fall in place for this to happen. Hurdles... -CPE that really are interoperable and in many types of devices. -Base Station RF in a cellular sence. That equals build outs with competitive priced Base stations in mobile mind set. -Base stations from different manufactureers that can GPS sync with each other so UL/DL ratios can co exist in a given area. To my knowledge this does not exist yet but would be critical to help with interference in the 3.65 GHz band. The WiMAX forum needs to make sure this does exist between base stations along with the interoperability standards they are developing. The GPS peice may exist but I have yet to see in in the standerds. Thanks, John Rock Wireless Connections Director of Operations - Senior Engineer ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio
Agreed. That's why I use higher powered cards is so that I regular power level at high modulation. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first1,000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio I'd like to add that in the USA, its really only good to use a 1watt radio for the CPE side, taking advantage of PtP rules, for long distances. Using the full 30db at the AP is like death, if we remember back to the Metrocom days. Installing full power radios with 6 db omnis spewing noise in all directions, which is rarely needed for any deployment. Its usually better to get the gain from the antenna. Also remember the requirement to reduce AP tx power 1db for every 3 db of antenna gain for the 3 to 1 rule. I'm a little surprised this was released by Valemount, considering Lonnie had always been big on using low power cards. However, where these Higher power cards are good will be for long range PtP radios at high modulation. I have not checked the specs but I'm sure you'll find that the power output is less in high modulation G mode, giving a little more room to add higher gain antennas before dropping the power to much.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first1,000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio Um, in the USA the MAX unlicensed radio output is 30 dB. 1 watt. Not two. Do NOT use a 2 watt radio. marlon - Original Message - From: John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio I'm not sure why the tech sheet on it doesn't mention the true power output, but it is a 2+ watt radio. I was thinking about using a pair for amateur radio applications, where I don't have to stay within the part 15 limits. (but I suppose I'll be able to turn the power down after marveling at the strong signal). Hmmm, it almost seems like a 4 watt radio, Lonnie says it is 36dB here: http://forums.star-os.com/showpost.php?p=58184postcount=2 Oh, if only I lived in the mountains! On July 25, at 8:50 AM July 25, Matt Ferre wrote: But it looks the same. And it is called WLM54G-30dBm so one would assume it's 30dBm radio which is 1000mW? Perhaps the difference is the same as between Mikrotik R52 and Compex WLM54AG? On 7/25/08, George Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, really. That's not the same radio. The only radio at that power level Compex produces now is our version and for us exclusively. Thanks, George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Ferre Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 4:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first 1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio Really http://shop.defactowireless.com/ s.nl;jsessionid=0a01074d1f43c80823dd5df943ac ac24b0d56d908581.e3eTaxaQbxmTe34Pa38Ta38LbNz0?it=Aid=1568 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
Well, what you have to do is include a number of gigs that cover typical and slightly above typical usage. Structure it so only power users or P2P users would top that usage. For some new projects I'm working on, I'm considering a 50 gig package for $50/month. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality More on this...Many of us have not already implemented this because of our competition from cable and dsl. Same for me! I think the the FCC has finally provided ALL broadband providers a reason to implemente this(as we can't control traffic) although it will be a major blow to the U.S. broadband penetration. I know I have been waiting for it since 2002. Let the NEW games begin! Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality Yet anither reason us (WISP) and all Cable and DSL(telcos) will go to a usage based systemno more all you can eat. I am not sure, but I bet they (FCC) have no control on us in that circumstance. Just my 1 pence. Scottie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality It looks like the FCC now has the votes necessary to sanction Comcast for its P2P throttling. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-oppos es-comcast-p2p-throttling.html It's set to be vote on officially next Friday. This is a disturbing decision if it implies that ISPs will no longer be allowed to control P2P traffic flow originating from their own customers on their own networks. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client?
http://82.165.144.139/dtvkaku/launch_02.asp about 3:25 in the video. 250 - 750 MHz 950 - 1450 MHz 1650 - 2150 MHz That's what travels over the wires. The BBC would only make a difference on the 3 cable from the BBC to the receiver. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client? I think it does as far as the frequencies go. They have added a little frequency convertor box to the receive end to allow the receiver to select which block of IF frequencies it wants. Two inputs allows four blocks of frequencies plus LNB switching would allow up to 8 different LNBs to be used with 2 coax' cables. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client? That doesn't apply to the new 5 LNB systems, but I don't have the time to figure out what the new ones are. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client? Directv IF frequencies. Lower IF 950-1450 MHZ Upper IF 1650-2150 MHz So, we are not in the middle of either of those bands. The IF signal should be stronger than any spur an SM or SU could produce. - Original Message - From: Larry A Weidig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client? We have seen this probably a couple of times ourselves. For us in every instance it was the power supply causing the interference. Easy enough to test, unplug the radio but leave the power adapter in the outlet connected to nothing. If still interference you can try swapping the power supply or move one of the two to a different circuit if possible. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct TV interference from 802.11b client? Are you using the satellite ground block? Is your ethernet cable running up with there cable? If so is it shielded? We have a number of installs literally on the same mast because they didn't want a second mast. We've never had an issue. We run our own ground from the radio to a ground rod and try to keep the cable away from the dish cable. Matt wrote: I had a customer call. She said she had some time so she was going to call before her satellite guy was going to. The customer has been installed for a couple years, but she swears that her 'pixelated' satellite reception on channels 3,5 and 9 are due to my system. The satellite folks replaced the dish, and head, and finally blamed my equipment mount a couple feet to the side of their dish. This customer claims that when pixelation occurs, she can unplug our equipment and the problems 'disappears'. Lets see, 2.4Ghz and what, 6 or 11G for the dish tv. don't see where on the RF front there is a remote possibility of interference. The coax goes around the house, our cat5 goes thru the crawlspace. Anyone ever have these kinds of issues? The customer expects me to re-install equipment on the other side of the house for free? Any suggestions? Can you lock the ethernet on a different rate and see if it makes a difference? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
I'm not an engineer, but from what I understand when you apply 20 dBm to channels of different widths, the same gross power is spread out. Each Hz receives less power in a wider channel. This rule allows the larger channels to not face the power punishment. Spectral efficiency has little to do with the channel width and more with the technology. You can use an Atheros chipset to produce channel widths of 5, 10, 20, and 40 MHz, but they all traffic roughly the same bits/Hz. Squashing the entire band is something that'll happen when you're given such small bands and attempting to push big data over it. That's where the contention requirements and synch of some kind come in to play. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field The FCC must have been asleep when they set the rule this way. The rule should have been the opposite. If you want high power then use narrow channels and become more spectrally efficient. I am going to try to get a little face time with Julie Knapp and see if he can explain to me how they got this so backward. Maximum channel sizes would have been a good thing also to stop someone from building a radio which could squash everyone out of the band in one sector or omni alone. I am scared sometimes when I see what comes from those who are supposed to be the leaders of our country involving spectrum policy. Scriv On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: It's 1 watt per MHz of channel width. It's up to the FCC to certify something for more than 20 MHz of channel space. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Sorry to Hijack this but what was the final EIRP determined by the FCC on 3.65? I remember they were talking about allowing 24 watts I believe I read on the site somewhere. Lastly where on the fcc site do you register your base stations? What about searching the site for deployed base stations in your area? Thanks, Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field That's a lot easier *SAID* than done... Especially when you factor in frame rates / etc (as one configures those depending on the type of traffic) --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Booher Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar GPS settings will yes, make it so operators can coexist without the issues of interference. Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field John, From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same GPS sync, so all WiMax gear with the appropriate timing settings equal can be timed together. Apparently the FCC is requiring it for the equipment to be certified. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their networks over the next 1-3 years. Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they do the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist
Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere?
I believe our only chance at mobile devices is TV whitespaces. 900 is too full of other things and 3.65 doesn't have enough penetration. There is at least one other company working on non-802.11 non 802.16 equipment for 3.65 GHz and 5 GHz with all of these features and 900 MHz with some (I'm trying to push them to have the complete set available here too). We're talking MIMO, 3.5 bits/s real throughput, GPS sync, etc. I'm not to reveal their identity, but I will say it's not a DIY system (hey, I use Mikrotik too). It's also going to be far cheaper than 802.16 based solutions. Yes, it's another proprietary, but as others have pointed out, WiMAX in the USA is basically proprietary too. I am watching this REAL closely and am awaiting beta testing all their new gear. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere? On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can hack the MAC on atheros based chipsets. If hacking th MAC is your thing I guess you can. I would rather pay for companies to produce the properly designed and tested radio platforms and sell Internet access to my customers. If I wanted to hack the MAC I would join the local amateur radio club where many of us could hack the MAC together and learn from each other about radio theory and such. Sometimes I wish I had the time, money and patience (not to mention engineering background) to do this. What I know is how to deliver Internet to my customers so hacking the MAC is probably not a priority for me and most WISPs out there. Well, could, if we could get some funding together and some sharp minds... I think that is what vendors are supposed to do. I pay them to build the radios, test them and make improvements. My mind is plenty sharp but I am not an engineer of radio technology and design. If I wanted to do that then I would learn those things and build equipment to sell to people who build networks and sell service (like WISPs). MIMO interests me too. Again, the same hackable chipsets... MIMO is a big part of what WiMax brings to the table. It is not that WiMax is MIMO or vice versa. It is that the WiMax vendors have spent the time and money to properly design MIMO into WISP type networks. It is not cheap but it is very good. Being able to process the signals of multiple antennas to improve delivery and reception of signals is an amazing piece of technical wizardry that does not break the laws of physics but it takes them to the edge of what is possible. Delivering the best possible link in all circumstances is something I want in my network. I am going to be making the move to WiMax soon to be able to do this. I want highly reliable networks that people can trust for voice services as well as data. I want to have mobility in my network. I want my cell phone on my hip to connect to my own network. I intend to make this happen and bring all the things I have learned in a decade of Internet access business into this new mobile data and voice world. I believe WISPs have a unique opportunity to skip past the cellular operators who are just now learning what IP is all about. We know it. We do not have to support a legacy technology that is outdated as the cell carriers are right now. WiMax is what the cell companies want in 2 more generations of their networks. We can build it now. Of course some of you may just want to hack the MAC. I think I will go and upstage the national cell carriers instead. Scriv insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere? And if you could get then what you do with them?? Wimax mini-pci are client side only there is no way to use them as a Wimax base stations. The protocol does not allow for it and there is allot more to a base then a radio and software. This is not to say someone could not hack a radio and hal to do something that is not Wimax :) But they would still need a license from Wavesat to do this. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today
Re: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...?
In a couple years NASA's not going to be using the shuttles anymore, so they'll be easier to get a hold of. ;-) -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: [WISPA] 3650 FSS negotiations for protected areas...? Has anyone gotten any headway on company negotiations in protected zones? Almost all of the zones near me (105km is the closest to the SW, 146.7km next closest to the South) and I have no desire to point coverage in that direction - mainly north and northwest. But according to the FCC, I'd be dealing with Sprint, and Harris Corporation - these people don't even have phone numbers on their web sites for any departments that would look like they would even know what I was talking about. And even if I found a human being, it seems unlikely I'd talk to anyone with the power to make a real decision. Is this something best sent from a telecommunications attorney to their FCC attorney of record? Is the consent more like a contract? Would they be able to charge me for consent (like a spectrum lease)? Is this like asking for keys to the space shuttle? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality
Could have a program or site that shows current usage and encourage they monitor it... or email them an alert when it appears they'll pass their allowance. Maybe an ntop page that breaks down types of usage. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water to fill my pool was going to cost me. The problem with that analogy is two fold: (1) you can physically see 25,000 gallons of water that you intentionally put in your pool whereas you cannot see the 25Gigs of data that has been downloaded from your laptop when you download a P2P client and that client software automatically enables sharing. (2) you are presuming that someone INTENTIONALLY CAUSED THE INCREASED USAGE. My wife works for the local village and she frequently takes calls from local citizens who have complaints about their water bills. Most customers who call in to complain, have something broken that caused the excessive water charges. For instance, they might have a toilet that won't stop running. Similar circumstances occur in the internet world when a P2P program automatically shares data with the world OR when a virus evades your computer and spews volumes of data worthless data out to the net. Bottom line.. if you institute bit caps be ready for a barrage of excuses as to why it wasn't your customer's fault and why you need to reset the meter. - Larry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WiNOG September 29-30 Conference - Venue Question - pleasevote
Meaning we have to register for the hotel too or meaning you're working with a hotel for lower rates? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] WiNOG September 29-30 Conference - Venue Question - pleasevote WiNOG Chicago – September 29-30, 2008 Scheduled the same week of WiMAXWorld 2008, WiNOG will augment the WiMAX World program by providing focused sessions detailing fixed 802.16d WiMAX deployment experiences in the 3.65 GHz band. In order to keep the cost of the event as low as possible (we are targeting a $95 network operator registration rate), we are going to tie in conference registration with a hotel reservation. Currently, we have the following options available for a venue Holiday Inn Willowbrook: $99 / night http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/hi/1/en/hotel/chiwb;jsessionid=LTGKSSXV5H4EYCTGWAJSJ0QKM0YBIIY4?_requestid=381084 Marriot: $139 / night http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/chisw-chicago-marriott-southwest-at-burr-ridge Basically, the question boils down to whether the Marriot is worth spending an extra $40 / night for a nicer venue. Please click the link and put out your vote in below. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wAgmX046SaRWhUl_2bT6_2f3Lw_3d_3d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] SHP\SHX
I have some SHP and SHX GIS files. I have ArcGIS Explorer. It can open the shp file, but doesn't show anything when I open it. Ideas? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] SHP\SHX
On their way. One of the universities in my state did a study of state broadband availability. The printed documents suck, so I was wanting something digital to view them with... a little more precision\resolution\zoom\etc. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] SHP\SHX What do you need to do with the files, just view them on a map? If so send them to me and I'll convert them to Google Earth format for you. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:17 PM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] SHP\SHX I have some SHP and SHX GIS files. I have ArcGIS Explorer. It can open the shp file, but doesn't show anything when I open it. Ideas? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire
WiMAX is for the birds as it exists today. It's for POTS replacement and low bandwidth customers in third world countries, not the USA where we need to be providing bigger pipes. Mobile WiMAX in anything but true licensed spectrum is for the birds as well. Just not enough power to make it effective. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 31, 2008, at 1:42 PM, John McDowell wrote: Without Sprint and Clearwire, WiMax has no chance at success, which leaves ATT and Verizon ( who will come into Rural Markets eventually) and their LTE plans. To not support Clearwire, is to support ATT and Verizon, two companies that will hurt WISPs more in the long run that Sprint and Clearwire ever will. IMO I can't agree with your perspective. WiMAX has already been established internationally. Regardless of how WiMAX does in the US, it will continue to be relevant internationally as a standard. Further, many wireless operators (my company included) compete successfully with att and Verizon in urban markets today. I don't see how them deploying in rural markets is any different. Sure, but only on a fixed basis. It is nothing compared to the International cellular market. If you look at the International Mobile WiMax footprint, its pretty dern small. When Verizon and ATT launch their LTE products, I believe you will feel differently about them. Being for or against the merger will not achieve that. This should be a separate tactic of WISPA, but coupled with support for the merger. I could see that. The merger solidifies WiMax's chance for success in America and abroad and opens up opportunities for WISPs to enter the licensed arena and to one day offer mobile services on their networks, thus creating the opportunity for added revenue streams from different types of service offerings as well as roaming. It also makes for an attractive exit strategy, if that is anyone's plan. I don't see how the merger does that. Any WISP who wants to enter the licensed arena can do so today. With most EBS licenses gobbled up by Sprint and Clearwire, how can we WISPs enter that market, aside from EBS Whitespace? And what technology is the ony threat to LTE? (WiMax) -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire
If anyone does... no one does that really would benefit me. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire On the EBS issue- There are several operators out there who have obtained EBS licenses as well. It just requires the work and time invested into entering a deal with your school districts that own the right to the spectrum. Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 31, 2008, at 1:42 PM, John McDowell wrote: Without Sprint and Clearwire, WiMax has no chance at success, which leaves ATT and Verizon ( who will come into Rural Markets eventually) and their LTE plans. To not support Clearwire, is to support ATT and Verizon, two companies that will hurt WISPs more in the long run that Sprint and Clearwire ever will. IMO I can't agree with your perspective. WiMAX has already been established internationally. Regardless of how WiMAX does in the US, it will continue to be relevant internationally as a standard. Further, many wireless operators (my company included) compete successfully with att and Verizon in urban markets today. I don't see how them deploying in rural markets is any different. Sure, but only on a fixed basis. It is nothing compared to the International cellular market. If you look at the International Mobile WiMax footprint, its pretty dern small. When Verizon and ATT launch their LTE products, I believe you will feel differently about them. Being for or against the merger will not achieve that. This should be a separate tactic of WISPA, but coupled with support for the merger. I could see that. The merger solidifies WiMax's chance for success in America and abroad and opens up opportunities for WISPs to enter the licensed arena and to one day offer mobile services on their networks, thus creating the opportunity for added revenue streams from different types of service offerings as well as roaming. It also makes for an attractive exit strategy, if that is anyone's plan. I don't see how the merger does that. Any WISP who wants to enter the licensed arena can do so today. With most EBS licenses gobbled up by Sprint and Clearwire, how can we WISPs enter that market, aside from EBS Whitespace? And what technology is the ony threat to LTE? (WiMax) -Matt -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
The voodoo that I'm aware of is answering the questions in the setup, though I may be thinking of something else. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Dennis Burgess wrote: It does have a browser interface :) Technically true, but the Dude's Web interface is sorely lacking. You can look at stuff, but most configuration changes (especially to maps) require the Dude client. There's also the minor annoyance, for some, that The Dude requires Windows (or something like WINE). I remember looking at some Mikrotik hardware I purchased recently, and vaguely recall seeing a dude package. Does that do what I think it does - i.e. act as a standalone Dude server? That's promising, as most of the issues I have with my current Dude installation are more related to Windows (and the voodoo you have to go through to get The Dude to run as a Windows service) than the software itself. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Redline indoor subscriber
It's also severely limited in being a mobile unit. In 3650, mobile units are allowed significantly less EIRP because they could be moved into an exclusion zone without the network operator's knowledge or consent. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redline indoor subscriber Performance was poor in our testing. the SU-I has only 8dbi gain on it's directional antenna (back of unit). It would obviously need to be window mounted for it to work. We tested on an interior room not even .25miles out and could not link up. -Eric Gino Villarini wrote: Please share performance info Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Redline indoor subscriber We just got our hands on the recently approved 3650 indoor subscriber unit from Redline. It was quite a bit smaller than I thought, so I figured I would share a perspective shot. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire
Wouldn't all the leases that were worth anything already snapped up? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire obtain a lease from an educational institution On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire 2. WISPs can use 2.5ghz spectrum and should. How? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] IP based security system
I am looking for recommendations of an IP based security system with high quality video. I believe PC based is what we're after for low cost and upgradability. I am not looking for a single camera, but a whole system with perhaps dozens of cameras. Most security systems I've seen (albeit I'm not really exposed to this industry) you can hardly tell the difference between a person and a dog on it's hind legs. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Court Injunction
Someone had mentioned on another list that ISM is above part 97 in 900 MHz. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Court Injunction WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Court Injunction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33_centimeters#The_beginning -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Court Injunction WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme
I contacted MT support, since I've had this issue. In our dialog, they said they are working on something, but it's too soon to tell when it'll be done, if at all possible. I soon will be evaluating other options. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Hi, For anyone that would like to see the Mikrotik Nstreme protocol re-designed to support more than 30 clients (their new recommendation), and have lower, consistent latency, please email them directly and let them know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). They claim they are listening to customer requests and will work on a solution if they get enough requests to fix it. Please also CC: me on the email so I can have an idea of how many people are interested. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme
The products are still in beta. I'll report on them when I've had a chance to test. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme What other options are you looking at? Travis Microserv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They have worked with Trango in the past. You'd think they'd license Trango's polling scheme since Trango is no longer in the PtMP business. I contacted MT support, since I've had this issue. In our dialog, they said they are working on something, but it's too soon to tell when it'll be done, if at all possible. I soon will be evaluating other options. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Hi, For anyone that would like to see the Mikrotik Nstreme protocol re-designed to support more than 30 clients (their new recommendation), and have lower, consistent latency, please email them directly and let them know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). They claim they are listening to customer requests and will work on a solution if they get enough requests to fix it. Please also CC: me on the email so I can have an idea of how many people are interested. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
I chose a local company for the bulk of my VoIP services. Currently I don't even look at the CDRs because I know my current customers aren't going to go over. However, as soon as I get my new office ready, I'll be getting a Freeside billing server from Jeremy Davis that will cover ALL my billing and provisioning needs. Because it's open source and Jeremy Davis has been recommended by everyone I know that has used him, I have no doubts it'll work as I imagine. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA Board Members List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious I want to know who or what you've chosen as your voip provider, and what you are using for billing? The good, the bad and in between. -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
You can do a lot with VoIP. If someone calls my office extension, my office phone and cell phone ring, goes to office voicemail. If someone calls my cell phone directly, it goes to office voicemail. I get text messages of all voicemails and can call in to check. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? There are farmers around here without a landline. They are 100% cellular now. They even have spare lines for the temp guys that show up for harvest/picking, etc. I am presently only cellular and I chose that knowing that i do not have 100% coverage, but that was better than the customer getting 95% voicemail and me getting my messages only when I happen by the shop. unified would be great, but until we can get the cell carriers to cooperate with voip or landline, so we can have single numbers ringing in multiple locations, it won't happen. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Joe Fiero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Agreed Convergence, or unified communications, will be the answer. Our Internet services will be the backbone for the future where people carry a unified device that provides both cellular and IP telephony. These hybrids already exist and the use of femtocells will accelerate their adoption. This puts the WISP clearly in the path of reselling cellular service that gives the user access to a reliable nationwide network when on the road as well as reliable indoor service at their home and office through our broadband offerings. While young mobile singles and couples may survive on cellular only, it becomes a whole different story for families, businesses and farms. They can't run the farm if pop takes the cell phone with him to town. Need to have broadband to access all the goodies from the USDA and other farming sources and VoIP is a natural, providing a dedicated phone with great features and low cost. Best of all they can now use their cell phones as extensions of the home or office phone. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
Most WISPs just plain suck at marketing, my own certainly included. There are at least 7 WISPs in my county, most have been here for quite a while. When I come across someone that wants service, they are ecstatic that someone is offering this service. I won't tell them that others have been doing it here 3 - 4 years longer than I have been. Also, I'm not exactly sure of their intentions, but there are initiatives out there to get broadband as the US knows it today out to more people. There are also initiatives to raise the bar to 100 - 1000 meg connections. Not much of the US falls into the second category. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:55 PM Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring around with the governor called Connect Ohio with a moto of No child left un-connected. Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on for a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American Red Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the install! Article is attached. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this
Part-15 has arranged with the FCC to have their WISP locator on the FCC's site (I forget where) in their explanation of broadband and where to get it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this One of the things I had envisioned when I created the WISPA Promo committee, was just this. Promoting our wisps to the localities and helping reinforce their market position. Problem is, we have not had enough help to get their yet. Our membership isn't all that big, so the volunteer pool is small. If anyone wants to get a group going that would help promote local wisps land their muni deals, they should speak up. Maybe we can get a program going with enough volunteers. George Brian Webster wrote: This sounds more like an awareness and image problem for the local WISP industry. Some of it could be lack of effective marketing. It might be a good idea for every WISP to contact their local/county Planning and economic development offices and introduce themselves, show them the coverage area and explain what it is you do. Typically anything like this project will deal with these local offices. If they know you exist, you might have a better chance of being part of the solution. It is amazing how much of a vacuum those organizations live in sometimes :-) Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Connect Ohio Program? anyone heard of this Just got done reading an article in my local newspaper here. Apparently there was a meeting here in the county about how we need more broadband options. Funny thing is no one ever called any of the 4 wireless providers in the county here and asked them to attend. And there is a group touring around with the governor called Connect Ohio with a moto of No child left un-connected. Has anyone here heard any of this at all. I've never heard any one mention it but apparently it sounds as if this has been going on for a while. And then at the end of the article there is the local American Red Cross guy saying we are like a third world country, funny thing is they called me up about getting service in at that Red Cross Chapter and they were supposed to get hooked up but never did cause they canceled the install! Article is attached. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com _ From: NewsBank -- service provider for Telegraph-Forum Archives [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Telegraph-Forum Document Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) Telegraph-Forum (Bucyrus, OH) July 24, 2008 What can better broadband mean to Crawford County? By Gary Ogle Telegraph-Forum GALION -- A high-tech future demands high speed Internet. A large group of community leaders from Crawford County dreamed and discussed Wednesday afternoon about what better broadband service could mean to the people they help, the people they hire, the people they serve and those they educate. One of the biggest problems, North Central State's Don Plotts said, is getting people to understand they need technology. The session at Galion Community Hospital, part of Gov. Ted Strickland's Connect Ohio initiative to accelerate technology and close the digital divide, was led by Sage Cutler and Gary Lambert of Connect Ohio. People from all facets of Crawford County, described as leaders in the eCommunity, were invited to discuss how their companies and organizations use broadband now and how it could impact them in the future. This is the second benchmark work session in the state, Cutler said. Gallia County was the first and all 88 counties in the state will begin the process within the next two years. Cutler said Crawford County was selected to be among the first because there were some other broadband initiatives (here). Those in attendance included government officials from across the county, representatives of business and industry, education, health care and community organizations. Part of the process was to divide them into nine sectors as defined by their profession or the organization they represented. Wednesday's meeting had participants in seven of the nine sectors. Each sector discussed where it was at locally regarding broadband use, its application and implication, and what could be improved in the near future with better broadband resources. Cutler explained that Connect Ohio is a public/private partnership. It's not costing the counties a thing
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
I spoke with several equipment vendors and CLECs (local and nation-wide). Their statements combined with my own experiments is what brought me to that conclusion. Some didn't offer T.38 at all because of it's unreliability. Some offered it, but had a very short list of ATAs that they would even talk to you about. Some of them were even referencing private network connections instead of public Internet. Yes, the network can be a source of issue, but T.38 is similar to WiMAX as it concerns us. They are all 802.16 (or T.38), but their implementations are all different and thus not interoperable. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Mike, Not trying to sound like a jerk here, but it's not the VoIP...it's your network Properly deployed...VoIP works fine (however, network construction standards are MUCH STRICTER than what most data-only WISP networks currently support) -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing
Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem
A requirement, yes. A burden, no. Just about any idiot can become an amateur operator these days. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem Remember that one of the ham radio provisions is that you need to be a ham... :) Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Also, read the actual code/charter that regulates the activity to find exemptions. Here in Prince George's county, MD, antennas that fall below a certain size and power output are considered minimal (forget the exact wording) and can be installed on an existing structure without going through the permit process. Theoretically this would allow one to construct a tower using the amateur radio protections, then load it up with antennas for WISP use once the tower is constructed and signed off. Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: One way to do it is... You get the tower up via HAM rules, and don't provide commercial use. BUilt it just large enoug that it would hold only your antennas. Then after the fact There are some local code issues that often incourage someone to attempt to find a pre-existing structures to colocate on, prior to being authorized to build a new tower. Argue, for them to expand the permit for the pre-existing HAM tower, to one allowing limited commercial use for your antennas, in trade for not proposing and building ANOTHER ugly larger tower right next to it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband * NOTE TO OUR ESTEEMED READERS: For your greater reading pleasure and to relieve the load on your computer, 569 pages of previously-offered wordly wisdom has been removed from this message * - Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs NEXT ONLINE TRAINING AUGUST 18-19 2008 http://www.linktechs.net/askwi.asp FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem
No, but because I am lazy. ;-) All of my friends got their licenses during my 6 week Naval career (medical discharge) and I lost the ambition to go take the test. Several years ago I was scoring over 80% on the extra practice tests, but I ran out of time in my day to do the Morse. I wanted to walk in and do it all in one shot. That said, I passed 100% every time I took a tech practice test without studying. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem Do you have your license, Mike? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem A requirement, yes. A burden, no. Just about any idiot can become an amateur operator these days. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower site licensing problem Remember that one of the ham radio provisions is that you need to be a ham... :) Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Also, read the actual code/charter that regulates the activity to find exemptions. Here in Prince George's county, MD, antennas that fall below a certain size and power output are considered minimal (forget the exact wording) and can be installed on an existing structure without going through the permit process. Theoretically this would allow one to construct a tower using the amateur radio protections, then load it up with antennas for WISP use once the tower is constructed and signed off. Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: One way to do it is... You get the tower up via HAM rules, and don't provide commercial use. BUilt it just large enoug that it would hold only your antennas. Then after the fact There are some local code issues that often incourage someone to attempt to find a pre-existing structures to colocate on, prior to being authorized to build a new tower. Argue, for them to expand the permit for the pre-existing HAM tower, to one allowing limited commercial use for your antennas, in trade for not proposing and building ANOTHER ugly larger tower right next to it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband * NOTE TO OUR ESTEEMED READERS: For your greater reading pleasure and to relieve the load on your computer, 569 pages of previously-offered wordly wisdom has been removed from this message * - Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs NEXT ONLINE TRAINING AUGUST 18-19 2008 http://www.linktechs.net/askwi.asp FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Legal channels in 5.5GHz
I thought it was to up to 5725. I'm too lazy to look for the documentation, so I didn't initially reply. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal channels in 5.5GHz IIRC 5470 to 5700, 30db EIRP and FCC DFS2 ...regulat DFS is not compliant Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Legal channels in 5.5GHz Can someone point me to documentation, or provide info, on what's legal in this band in the US? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] U.S. Broadband Speeds Too Darn Slow
They're correct. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] U.S. Broadband Speeds Too Darn Slow http://telephonyonline.com/external.html?q=http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/08/us-broadband-sp.html Interesting reading. Scottie Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MT-484032/NH
Vendors, I'm ordering two on Monday. Please tell me price shipped to 60115 and lead time. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Van or Vlan to multiple points
If you buy a VPN solution from one of the larger networks, it prices out differently, but I don't know how. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Van or Vlan to multiple points We would bill this just like anyone else. You pay for internet access, thats what you are using. :) If I buy T1s from ATT, I get that speed, if I am running a VPN on it or not, don't matter. Course, I do charge them for the hardware/installation/setup of the network. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* CHUCK PROFITO wrote: YES, But how are you setting the rate for the interconnect or vlan to connect customers sites together over your network or between your towers. Do you base it on the cost of lease lines, fractional t-1's, etc. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VLan or VPN to multiple points We have done this quite a bit for site to site connections. And Site to multi-site connections. I have done some setups where we have multiple internet connections and even have routing change during a failure. MT can be a powerful solution in this arena. A 433 will do quite a bit for most clients, if not, more powerful solutions are out there. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is anyone capitalizing on offering VLan services to companies with multiple sites within your network. We have a couple of opportunities to provide this type of service and wondering the best way to approach it and charge for it Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] MT-484032/NH
Many lists I'm on operate in this fashion. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT-484032/NH Requests like this should happen on a different list. On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Vendors, I'm ordering two on Monday. Please tell me price shipped to 60115 and lead time. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC Sweeping Design LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] BTS Tower Development
Has anyone heard of BTS Tower Development? They're looking to build a tower in a town near me and I'm wondering if they're just going to sell it to someone else and how friendly they are to WISPs. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VLan or VPN to multiple points
Mikrotik supports MPLS. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VLan or VPN to multiple points Ok. When someone designs an end to end transport network they are committing to being a layer3 or a layer2 network by design. Sure you can have bridged components on a routed network, and you can have routed end devices on a bridged network, and you can do it differently on your WAN, MAN, Last mile Relays. But functionally all-in-all, your city transport that transposts the VPN is either are layer2 or layer3 network. This is what defines what VPN alternative you have to offer. One of the benefits I sell is Office to Office connectivity, BYPASSING the Public Internet, with a controlled On-Net path across my LAyer3 network. Adding the benefit of one connection to accomplish both Internet and private network functionality. This is both a QOS and Cost advantage, but all in all, I price it like Internet access, because its functionally routed like Internet traffic using Layer3. Its important to under stand the difference between Layer2 and Layer3 VLANs. LAyer3 generally offers shortest path, via the same rules that apply to all customer's traffic. Layer2 VLANs offer something different. Layer2 generally provides a static path (not necessarilly shortest path) engineered between two points. When at Layer2, a defines capacity can be provisioned, without concern for distance and quality that might come into play to effect real world throughput if had done at layer3 w/ native re-transmission and Congestion avoidence mechanisms. There are many efficiency benefits of LAyer3, that will never be achieved at Layer2, and Layer2 offers many things Layer 3 will never deliver. The point I'm making is, the provider needs to determine the factors that are most beneficial to them as a provider and their prospective market. Those decissions are so much more important than the type of VPN or VLAN used. And that is what you are really comparing when comparing two providers' VPN Connectivity offerings. To offer basic VLAN redundancy it requires all paths to be connected at layer2 so the Spanning tree protocols talk and work. But layer2 redundancy protocols can fuinctionally break LAyer3 redundancy (such as OSPF and IBGP). So its really choosing one or the other. MPLS solves all this, by adding VPN, Layer2, QOS, preferred path, all in a single platform of protocols. Sorta the best of both worlds (LAyer2 and LAyer3). The problem is MPLS is not cost effective to deploy in most cases, because the MPLS manufacturers charge to high an inflated markup on MPLS enabled gear. There is no technical reason why MPLS gear needs to cost more. But it still does. Its the difference between buying a new $20,000 MPLS router and a used $500 thirdparty or used non-MPLS router. Sure there are exceptions all over the place to get a deal, but the whole network needs to talk MPLS for it to really be beneficial, so if you can't find 100% of it cheap, the reast you pay top dollar. Many of the MPLS open source products are developing, but its scary endorsing a platform, that is not widely supported yet by several open source router systems. It locks you into a platform that may or may not ever get complete or work 100% correctly. I think OPENSOURCE MPLS is exciting to watch, but its not quite there yet. Layer3 VPN is a great way to get your IP space to securly end up from one side of your network to the other. This is benefical when someone has chosen a LAyer3 transport design, because itworks voer layer3 :-) If you chose a LAyer2 VLAN as a replacement for VPN that is also OK, but its a complete change of network design. We use VLAN all the time, but we route between VLANs, apposed to use the VLAN to cross our entire network as a VPN. Personally, if everything cost the same, my whole network would be MPLS based, but it doesn't cost the same. And I can undercut my competitors on price by atleast a factor of 10x, because I'm not using MPLS. So to do it with MPLS, you really have to be focused on marketing to the segment of the population that udnerstands the difference and will pay for it. Hope that helps. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VLan or VPN to multiple points We already run some VPNs across our network but I am under the impression that VLans may be a little more efficient way of transporting data where the points all reside within our network. Is this true
Re: [WISPA] VLan or VPN to multiple points
Right, and I don't believe Mikrotik supports them all, but upon introduction they did support many of them and I've more popping up as time goes on. When is IS going to have MPLS? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VLan or VPN to multiple points MPLS isn't one thing, it's a set of over 50 RFCs. Most implementations don't have all of them at this point. When you look to implement MPLS, you need to know which parts you need and then make sure that your provider supports them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VLan or VPN to multiple points Mikrotik supports MPLS. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VLan or VPN to multiple points Ok. When someone designs an end to end transport network they are committing to being a layer3 or a layer2 network by design. Sure you can have bridged components on a routed network, and you can have routed end devices on a bridged network, and you can do it differently on your WAN, MAN, Last mile Relays. But functionally all-in-all, your city transport that transposts the VPN is either are layer2 or layer3 network. This is what defines what VPN alternative you have to offer. One of the benefits I sell is Office to Office connectivity, BYPASSING the Public Internet, with a controlled On-Net path across my LAyer3 network. Adding the benefit of one connection to accomplish both Internet and private network functionality. This is both a QOS and Cost advantage, but all in all, I price it like Internet access, because its functionally routed like Internet traffic using Layer3. Its important to under stand the difference between Layer2 and Layer3 VLANs. LAyer3 generally offers shortest path, via the same rules that apply to all customer's traffic. Layer2 VLANs offer something different. Layer2 generally provides a static path (not necessarilly shortest path) engineered between two points. When at Layer2, a defines capacity can be provisioned, without concern for distance and quality that might come into play to effect real world throughput if had done at layer3 w/ native re-transmission and Congestion avoidence mechanisms. There are many efficiency benefits of LAyer3, that will never be achieved at Layer2, and Layer2 offers many things Layer 3 will never deliver. The point I'm making is, the provider needs to determine the factors that are most beneficial to them as a provider and their prospective market. Those decissions are so much more important than the type of VPN or VLAN used. And that is what you are really comparing when comparing two providers' VPN Connectivity offerings. To offer basic VLAN redundancy it requires all paths to be connected at layer2 so the Spanning tree protocols talk and work. But layer2 redundancy protocols can fuinctionally break LAyer3 redundancy (such as OSPF and IBGP). So its really choosing one or the other. MPLS solves all this, by adding VPN, Layer2, QOS, preferred path, all in a single platform of protocols. Sorta the best of both worlds (LAyer2 and LAyer3). The problem is MPLS is not cost effective to deploy in most cases, because the MPLS manufacturers charge to high an inflated markup on MPLS enabled gear. There is no technical reason why MPLS gear needs to cost more. But it still does. Its the difference between buying a new $20,000 MPLS router and a used $500 thirdparty or used non-MPLS router. Sure there are exceptions all over the place to get a deal, but the whole network needs to talk MPLS for it to really be beneficial, so if you can't find 100% of it cheap, the reast you pay top dollar. Many of the MPLS open source products are developing, but its scary endorsing a platform, that is not widely supported yet by several open source router systems. It locks you into a platform that may or may not ever get complete or work 100% correctly. I think OPENSOURCE MPLS is exciting to watch, but its not quite there yet. Layer3 VPN is a great way to get your IP space to securly end up from one side of your network to the other. This is benefical when someone has chosen a LAyer3 transport design, because itworks voer layer3 :-) If you chose a LAyer2 VLAN as a replacement for VPN that is also OK, but its a complete change of network design. We use VLAN all the time, but we route between VLANs, apposed to use the VLAN to cross our entire
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
Directional boring is pretty much all that is done in an urban area anymore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directional_boring -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] Running Fiber Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=-= Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CPE radios
I use all MT and knock on wood, I hardly have non-mother nature related issues. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: [WISPA] CPE radios Hi All, I really like my Tranzeo CPQ radios. But we're seeing a LOT of power supply failures (and they are too cheap to even warranty, we just buy new ones). Sometimes they don't fully fail either, they go low or something, the injector lights up like it should but the radio just won't work right. What's really a problem is the dang'd Mikrotik to Tranzeo CPQ disconnect problem. It's driving my gamers and business customers nutso. All CPQ radios disconnect and reconnect at the same time, sometimes every few minutes, sometimes every couple of days. This happens when there is an XR2 card in the Mikrotik. Doesn't seem to matter what firmware is on the radios. Did I say that I also really like the MT ap's? They are too complicated to set up, but once that's done they work very well and give me great information on who's doing what on my network. And I am a point and click GUI kinda guy so StarOS is really hard for me to deal with. And I've recently replaced an MT ap with Star, no real difference that I can see as far as the customer experience is concerned. I don't think we're getting the disconnects, but I just can't deal with the management mechanism for Star so I'm not totally sure. Anyway, I tried a couple of the Ubiquity cpe units. I liked the electronic polarization capability. Hated the router config. And, they have both basically failed in just a few months of service. They were still working, but the rx went to pot in them. (19 dB tranzeo had -82 when put in vs. the -97 of the ubiquity when it was pulled out) So, now I have a telecommuter with a Ubiquity radio that's on the fritz, can't use a tranzeo because of the disconnect issue (she works via voip and can't use the phone when it keeps dropping out for a second or two all day long). What are people having good luck with? I can't believe that wifi radios won't really connect to each other correctly at this stage of the game. Some of our manufacturers are getting too lazy I think. I need cheap gear, but mostly I need gear that works. I long for the old Teletronics 2 meg ap's. Some of those from 2000 are still in use today! We never have to touch them! I think I'm gonna set up an MT unit to be a cpe for the one customer. But I have to figure out what to use going forward. Either better ap's or cpe. For AP's I REALLY like the Teletronics 172 units. They are cheap and work very well with either b or g client radios. But they blow ethernet ports far too easily, and they lock up too often. And I've NEVER used a worse AP than the Tranzeo 6000 radios. What a POS those are. Constant lockups! But not at all locations. Sometimes they work pretty well, but usually they just suck. deep sigh Suggestions? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
Except for the fact that the fiber will deliver enough bandwidth for at least a decade or two and the WiMAX gear day 1 couldn't deliver enough bandwidth. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Running Fiber Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=-= Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- - - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program
I love this country... It's illegal to watch your employee's usage, but then you are liable if they do something illegal. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program Also note there are privacy legal issues here. Some opinions are that it is illegal for an employer to secretly watch their employee's Internet content and/or usage. That information is considered the property of the employee. This is why many organizations chose to restrict what their employees can do, apposed to watch what is being done. If information is being tracked, it should be tracked in a non-biases consistent way, with disclosure, or deployed with an alternate duplicate purpose . For example, if you install a Proxy server, that data will often be available, but it could be defended as a security protection measure. (apposed to invasion of privacy and spying on employees) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP). They are looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger chats/passwords. What would be ideal would be a passive device that acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it. Maybe even amount of bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature. Any ideas? I have recommended software that is a keylogger and recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e. sniffer. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MTI
Who do you guys buy your MTI antennas from? There used to be many, but I can't find hardly anyone that can get me a darn antenna. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MTI
Thanks, but I already have 2 of the 90*, so I'm looking to get two more of the same model or really, 90* 5 GHz horizontal. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MTI I have three 120 sectors just sitting around...need one? On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Who do you guys buy your MTI antennas from? There used to be many, but I can't find hardly anyone that can get me a darn antenna. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Til-tek
How good are Til-tek antennas? When I've been searching for that MTI antenna, vendors keep pushing me to Til-tek. I love my MTI and I wasn't happy with the PW sectors. Thoughts? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Til-tek
I'm looking for 5 GHz horizontal 90* sectors. Tiltek seems to be getting a good word. I might give them a try. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Til-tek You need to be more specific on which frequency that you are talking about. An antenna's quality for a specific purpose can not be judge solely on a generalization that one Manufacturer makes better quality antenna over ALL their product lines, compared to another manufacturer of ALL their product lines. Til-tek makes an EXCELLENT 120 deg sector, Dual Polarity, 9-11 dbi, 900Mhz antenna. Probably the best in the industry, from my personal experience. (likewise have single pol models) Wincomm has good pricing on these. Just like MTI, Tiltek caters to the high end antenna market. As far as 5.X Ghz or 2.4Ghz sectors, I can't advise. We have not used Tiltek for those bands, yet. I will say Tessco, carries the Terrawave brand, and they have 120deg and 90 deg (wideband) 5.1-5.8 Ghz 14-17dbi sector verticle pol antennas for around $130. We have been using these, and we have been really happy with them. We've standardized on these. Side note... SuperPass antennas are actually very high quality antennas from an RF point of view. Their unique pattented designs allow them to make antennas shorter and smaller than other brands of equivellent gain. These can be great for areas that need better cosmetic appeal. However their mounting mechanism is low end (strap ties) and meant for the price market. Most of their antennas are Verticle pol also. But if you need an inexpensive solution, these are great. What I'd really like to find is a make of Dual Pol 5.x sector antennas, at a reasonable price. Still, after 8 years of asking, nobody is making them yet for an affordable price, as a standalone antenna product. We are also looking to determine what the most affordable wideband (5.2-5.8G) sector is for Horizontal Pol. (equivellently spec'd to the Terrawaves). When selecting an antenna You are looking for and comparing several factors 1) Front to back ratio, or sharpness of the beamwidth side cut off (side lobe characteristics and such) 2) Size (for equivellent gain) 3) Mounting requirements, (durabilty and positioning). 4) Price. Different antenna brands are designed to solve different of these problems. You need to define what problem you are trying to solve, to determine the best choice. The Tilteks are generally rather large, Good sharp beamwidth cut off abnd F/B ratio, have durable mounts appropriate for thick poled Towers, and medium range in price. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: [WISPA] Til-tek How good are Til-tek antennas? When I've been searching for that MTI antenna, vendors keep pushing me to Til-tek. I love my MTI and I wasn't happy with the PW sectors. Thoughts? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 5:12 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Story on Telco Bit Caps
I certainly hope it's not illegal. That'd spell bad news for us all if it was... I do, however, disagree with a meager 5 GB. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Story on Telco Bit Caps Any telcom lawyers on the list who can comment on the legality of bandwidth caps? Based on my (admittedly limited) understanding of the various laws/regulations this seems to be very close to illegal if not outrightly so. However I am not a lawyer. Perhaps I should chat with the EFF. Thanks for the link Jeff! Jeff Broadwick wrote: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080822/tec_internet_caps.html?.v=2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information - Florida DIsasterArea
They have been in the past and they are currently listed as the place to go to find WISPs across the country. So I think it's a safe bet that they are. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information - Florida DIsasterArea Do you really think the FCC has specified P-15 to the be the official conduit for status reports? - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information - Florida DIsaster Area For anyone in Florida... marlon - Original Message - From: Bullit To: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information - Florida DIsaster Area Disaster data collection has been activated for Tropical Storm Fay. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has developed the Disaster Information Reporting System (DIRS) to receive information on the status of your communications equipment in the disaster area. The area of interest for this activation is focused on those areas hardest hit by the storm and those on the projected path covering much of Central, Northeast, North Central, and Northwest Florida Counties including: Alachua, Bay, Bradford, Brevard, Calhoun, Columbia, Dixie, Escambia, Franklin, Gadsden, Gilchrist, Gulf, Hamilton, Hardee, Highlands, Holmes, Jackson, Jefferson, Lafayette, Lake, Leon, Levy, Liberty, Madison, Marion , Okaloosa, Orange , Osceola , Polk, Santa Rosa , Seminole, Sumter, Suwannee, Taylor, Union, Volusia, Wakulla, Walton, Washington. If you have communications equipment in the disaster area, the FCC requests that you provide daily reports on the status of your equipment by using PART-15.ORG. If anyone in Florida's current disaster area, please contact me off list ASAP. Michael WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information -FloridaDIsasterArea
Frank pointed out that my WAG was wrong. However, Part-15 has been working with the FCC for many moons and they have been with them through previous disaster relief efforts. Personally, I don't see there to be a need for two different WISP organizations anyway. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information -FloridaDIsasterArea OK, so why the preferential treatment? In other words, why isn't WISPA performing this function? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information - FloridaDIsasterArea They have been in the past and they are currently listed as the place to go to find WISPs across the country. So I think it's a safe bet that they are. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information - Florida DIsasterArea Do you really think the FCC has specified P-15 to the be the official conduit for status reports? - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information - Florida DIsaster Area For anyone in Florida... marlon - Original Message - From: Bullit To: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information - Florida DIsaster Area Disaster data collection has been activated for Tropical Storm Fay. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has developed the Disaster Information Reporting System (DIRS) to receive information on the status of your communications equipment in the disaster area. The area of interest for this activation is focused on those areas hardest hit by the storm and those on the projected path covering much of Central, Northeast, North Central, and Northwest Florida Counties including: Alachua, Bay, Bradford, Brevard, Calhoun, Columbia, Dixie, Escambia, Franklin, Gadsden, Gilchrist, Gulf, Hamilton, Hardee, Highlands, Holmes, Jackson, Jefferson, Lafayette, Lake, Leon, Levy, Liberty, Madison, Marion , Okaloosa, Orange , Osceola , Polk, Santa Rosa , Seminole, Sumter, Suwannee, Taylor, Union, Volusia, Wakulla, Walton, Washington. If you have communications equipment in the disaster area, the FCC requests that you provide daily reports on the status of your equipment by using PART-15.ORG. If anyone in Florida's current disaster area, please contact me off list ASAP. Michael WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
I don't have hundreds, but I have mostly R52 or similar cards deployed in my MT CPE. On one tower using SR5s, I have over half of the CPE with wireless uptimes of almost 9 days (last time I rebooted the AP). -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Same problem with MT CPE's. I have hundreds of them deployed and they do the exact same thing. Travis Dennis Burgess wrote: Don't use Tranzo CPEs :) Just drop in great MT CPEs. lol.. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Steve Barnes wrote: I just noticed the MT AP I have with Tranzeo's on it and MT CPE's Most of the MT CPE's have been up for weeks and ALL the Tranzeo's have been up the exact amount of time to the second. Meaning they all rebooted at the same time. That's frustrating. So you're not alone lucky for me I only have a few Clients on that one tower. However I was thinking about deploying more MT AP's. Now What. Having StarOS v3 issues and now seeing MT having issues with my CPE. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:51 PM To: Kurt Fankhauser; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. I think there are messages on their forum almost a year old. :( Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: How long has this problem been ongoing? -- Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com - Original Message From: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Date: 08/25/08 13:13 Yes, this is a known problem with MT AP's. They claim they are working on it. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's. Now since it happens so fast most people just web browsing don't know it but the people that are connected to online gaming and people using vonage are about ready to shoot me. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
[WISPA] 4x 140' available
I have 4 qty. 140' MAX-TOWER self supports for sale. Each unit is about 10 years old and is rates for Class 2 wind and Ice. The lower 4 sections are 20' each knock down tubular legs, the top 6 sections are all-weld 10' each. They were used off lake Ontario near Toronto (Ontario, Can.). They are painted and lit with a top mounted DOL fixture. 2 of the towers have SRL210C-4 antennas @ the 138' level. The line, lighting and antenna come with the package. The towers are in great condition - no paint required, and were built in accordance with CSA S37-94. I'm open to offers...they're still in the air, but we can bring them down in less than a day and have them shipped the next. Email me for more info and photos. Michael MacDougall Operations Manager Tower Power Inc. Guelph Ontario Canada (519) 835-8120 -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper is $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of subscribers over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way ahead (in 6 months they will be 5k). Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of rights of way etc. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
Small companies are exempt. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers I thought it was a Federal Regulation that phone numbers could be ported? That's why the cell companies had to start doing it a year or two ago? Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: If it is a Rural Telcom, then they are exempt from having to allow porting. VZ might just have a deal with them for local cell numbers. If you had a PRI then you can get numbers but still, they do not have to hand you the number from a leaving customer. At least this is where all my research has led me for my local ILEC that I would kill to port from. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM, John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like this.. Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? Somebody have a solution? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
That's fine. There's a rack of DirecTV equipment, where the satellite dishes hook up to (I'd spent the extra $2k and spring for better dishes) and then it travels Ethernet (physical topology does not matter) to the receiver. There is a short list of approved switches that must be used however, something to do with the way they do IGMP. DirecTV does bill you and you can do whatever you want from there. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? We are only running fiber from the tower feed to the terminals then the homes. So we need a solution that works over fiber and I want to bill for TV services my self so I need to purchase a solution that bills me and I will them type situation. This way it will be trued triple play from one provider, us. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and an HD DVR version. AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per channel (I asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. It is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same upstream... stream. The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular project and massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. The deal with the ROW is that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a franchise. http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber Jerry Richardson wrote: I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something somewhere so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time it's all said and done (possibly more). You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper is $1500.00. I actually
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
It's about $40k for up to 512 receivers, another $25k or so for up to 1024 receivers. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Hmm, Interesting. Any idea on costs? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and an HD DVR version. AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per channel (I asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. It is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same upstream... stream. The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular project and massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. The deal with the ROW is that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a franchise. http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
That's exactly what I'm looking at doing. A billing package that supports AAA through RADIUS should do this. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Another twist on this subject. My test neighborhood on this will be our entry into the metered broadband market. We are going to give everyone the same speed most likely 3 times faster than anything Comcast is doing. Plans will be tiered on transfer levels where they get a set transfer amount per level with each higher package level giving more allotted transfer and a decrease in overage costs per gig. The TV portion of it will not count on the bandwidth metering nor the phone services. The big question here is we need to actually meter the actual internet usage. What programs out allow this? We thought the MT user manager would work but it's not going to do what we need it to do. I did some searching and came up with very little useful information. Any ideas ? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and an HD DVR version. Ok so the standard internet capable receiver series. AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per channel (I asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. It is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same upstream... stream. Ive got evil ideas about how to do it. Now ive got some more prodding about getting to it. Seams like it needs a full gigE feed so that does wrinkle things, but that would be for the full 500 or so channels maybe? The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular project and massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. Mmmm, I wonder if someone just wanted 2 or 3 channels what they would do. The deal with the ROW is that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a franchise. That seams reasonable enough, in the old ways of thinking. My understanding is that anything over the net can not be called a franchise. I can see how the line becomes blurred when you own the last mile and the services running on it. Still, I see about a dozen places I could use this if I can make a business case for it. http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] il.net wrote: DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
I know you were just throwing numbers out there, but my MT CPE are $150 and just the antennas for the APs are $350. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Alvarion are at least $50 more per CPE.Canopy I WISH Alvarion was only $50 more per CPE. If it were, It would be all I used, even if it meant $7500 over 150 CPEs. But in my case, for 54mbps modulation CPEs Mikrotik- Ap $350, su $300, ($650 total) Alvarion- Ap $8000, su $1500 ( $9500 total). I can install 15 Mikrotik customers/buildings for every one Alvarion (15x the capacity). Bust most importantly Mikrotik enables funding buildouts via cash flow, which is invaluable. I really truly love Alvarion's support and product reliabilty, and still think its one of the higher quality products on the market. But I'll never be able to take advantage of it's offering, at those prices. I don't care how good it is, it just isn't worth 15x the cost. Its actually much much more than 15x the cost, once you start factoring that Mikrotiks have multiple ports, and can add AP relay cards/antenna at just $100 each. In my opinion Alvarion will never amount to anything other than a residential CPE, as long as they insist on the crippleware model, to pretend its affordable. And for the residential model, $50 a CPE does make a difference. The Alvarion was designed for the SuperCell model, which is a thing of the past, based on today's noise floor and end users' new speed requirements. The Lucaya, Ligo, Mikrotik type platforms' value propositions, just can't be ignored anymore. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Hi, I understand what you are saying... but I also understand that Canopy and Alvarion are at least $50 more per CPE. So to do 150 installs per month x $50 = $7,500 per month in savings it's pretty hard to just give up. Right now we are doing 30 customers per AP and it's working pretty well... even the gamers seem happy again. Mikrotik told me just today that it is next on their list after adding 802.11n support. I guess we'll see if they can actually make things better. Travis Microserv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Travis, This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your request for Mikrotik support. We fought with Mikrotik over a year to get them to fix the issues and it never happened. We finally stopped about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion. (More Canopy lately with the 400 series) I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests we ran. We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their recommendations. Basically, we were doing their field testing for them and to no avail. Nothing they recommended fixed things. They finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP. So, we bought super powerful PCs for APs. Again, no help. Now they have their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the issue. So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R D for both time and dollars. (I have tons of dead equipment sitting here that didn't work.) So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work, we bailed. Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we sleep more. We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we have fought there have been won. (BGP and OSPF) However, wireless never got better. (For PtMP) As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many resources our way. Although, we haven't needed them lately. Canopy has a large base with lots of third party options and community support. When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that. I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local repeaters. I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br br Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't even work?br br Travisbr Microservbr
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
I believe it's an Orthogon radio. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:47 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. What is the Canopy 400 series? How does that compare to the Advantage series? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Travis, This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your request for Mikrotik support. We fought with Mikrotik over a year to get them to fix the issues and it never happened. We finally stopped about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion. (More Canopy lately with the 400 series) I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests we ran. We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their recommendations. Basically, we were doing their field testing for them and to no avail. Nothing they recommended fixed things. They finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP. So, we bought super powerful PCs for APs. Again, no help. Now they have their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the issue. So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R D for both time and dollars. (I have tons of dead equipment sitting here that didn't work.) So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work, we bailed. Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we sleep more. We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we have fought there have been won. (BGP and OSPF) However, wireless never got better. (For PtMP) As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many resources our way. Although, we haven't needed them lately. Canopy has a large base with lots of third party options and community support. When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that. I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local repeaters. I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br br Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't even work?br br Travisbr Microservbr br Kurt Fankhauser wrote: blockquote cite=mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite pre wrap=Butch, Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I can tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of PRISM/Atheros chipsets. Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff anyways as it only makes up 10% of my network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=http://www.wavelinc.com;www.wavelinc.com/a -Original Message- From: a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a [a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's. /pre /blockquote pre wrap=! Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5? This is a known issue that is especially bad with Tranzeo client radios and XR2 at the AP. As someone else mentioned, there is a lot of finger pointing going on relating to this issue. From what I can tell, this issue does not have a negative impact on Mikrotik CPE
[WISPA] Google Chrome
http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/ I'm not sure where, but it'll be released for download today. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cisco Question
Can a Cisco router be configured to partition a PVC riding on a DS3 to an Ethernet interface without needing to be involved with it on the IP layer? The reason I ask is that another WISP once offered to provide me bandwidth on their DS3 directly from their upstream because I wanted to do BGP and they didn't do it. To avoid much of any impact (performance and configuration) on their router, I'd like to just do all the IP, BGP, etc. on my own router located there. I'm working with their provider now to see if I can purchase this from them. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Preventing backwards router problems
I use PPPoE and NATing CPE... they could do whatever they wanted and they won't disturb anyone else. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Andrew Niemantsverdriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Preventing backwards router problems How to I prevent SOHO routers from handing out bogus DHCP information when they are plugged in backwards? Also on a seperate note; long ago on this list there was a Linux distro that was basically a WISP management you put it on the gateway router and it only allowed MAC authorized clients to the internet everybody else was pointed to a captive portal. Does anybody remember this or could give me a link to it again? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6
If you can justify a... /22? then you should have your own IPs from ARIN. Other than that, you can't have them. All I can say is look at their site in the IPv4 numbers section (I think) and then locate the forms and fill them out. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:51 PM To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPsIPv4? IPv6 Hey guys and gals, We are looking at our first redundant fiber connection from a second carrier and feeling the need to have our own IPs so that this will work out well. Anybody have advice on where to start with ARIN, besides just fishing around on the website, and what should we be looking at buying. We have a little over 350 subs right now and growing about 30 subs/month on average. We have a block of 2000 IPs from ATT. We want to plan for future growth, and for IPv6any advice? Thanks, -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6
You need an IPv6 compatible upstream to put that to use. That said, getting an IPv6 allocation isn't a bad idea if you have the possibility of getting IPv6 transit, even if you don't. That way you're ready when the time comes. It'll be here before you know it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPsIPv4? IPv6 Is anyone buying IPv6? Should we look at that as well? On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: If you can justify a... /22? then you should have your own IPs from ARIN. Other than that, you can't have them. All I can say is look at their site in the IPv4 numbers section (I think) and then locate the forms and fill them out. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:51 PM To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPsIPv4? IPv6 Hey guys and gals, We are looking at our first redundant fiber connection from a second carrier and feeling the need to have our own IPs so that this will work out well. Anybody have advice on where to start with ARIN, besides just fishing around on the website, and what should we be looking at buying. We have a little over 350 subs right now and growing about 30 subs/month on average. We have a block of 2000 IPs from ATT. We want to plan for future growth, and for IPv6any advice? Thanks, -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6
Upstream protection is the #1 reason to have your own IP block. Plenty of people have their own IP block, but don't do any of those things. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:18 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPsIPv4? IPv6 John McDowell wrote: Hey guys and gals, We are looking at our first redundant fiber connection from a second carrier and feeling the need to have our own IPs so that this will work out well. Will you also be doing BGP? MPLS/OSPF traffic engineering all on your own? IE why do you need your own IP space? This is what ARIN will want to know. :) Anybody have advice on where to start with ARIN, besides just fishing around on the website, and what should we be looking at buying. Well ARIN has the forms here: http://www.arin.net/registration/templates/index.html Pretty straighforward submission process 1) Create POC and ORG records. 2) Fill out and submit template. 3) magic here 4) Profit We have a little over 350 subs right now and growing about 30 subs/month on average. We have a block of 2000 IPs from ATT. Well then it doesn't make sense to me to buy your own block at least not for some time. We want to plan for future growth, and for IPv6any advice? I am currently going through the IPv6 process with ARIN and hope to have it completed by end of September. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6
You can request a /22 if you can demonstrate efficient use of a /23 if multihomed. Otherwise, you need to demonstrate a /20. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Faisal Imtiaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPsIPv4? IPv6 . Unless you are multi-homed. Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPsIPv4? IPv6 Mike Hammett wrote: If you can justify a... /22? then you should have your own IPs from ARIN. Other than that, you can't have them. Correct. The minimum allocation has been going up. I used to control some /24 netblocks of portable space. Was cool. :) -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] NTOP Question
Does anyone else have a problem with the AS report not seeming to show all your traffic? The sent column shows the AS I'm on sending 1.3 GB at 100%. The received column shows 63 megs as being 72%. Something doesn't seem right here. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Insurance
What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] frequency converters
Noise? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:49 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] frequency converters Whats the downside to using frequency converters? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 cars for MT AP
This is an honest question... Why does anyone use the SR2 or SR5 anymore when the XR2 and XR5 are out? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 cars for MT AP SR2 Brian Rohrbacher wrote: What are some good cards to use in 2.4 MT APs? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] All Those Attending WiNOG --- Patrick Leary inAttendance
I certainly thought so. :-p He probably knows more... sometimes I don't think those WiMAX guys know a darn thing! -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] All Those Attending WiNOG --- Patrick Leary inAttendance Who's Patrick Leary... is he the Wimax Inventor? jeje Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] All Those Attending WiNOG --- Patrick Leary in Attendance All attending the upcoming WiNOG in Chicago... I thought you would be interested to know that Patrick Leary will be speaking on the state of the WiMAX industry. Just a quick heads up because he has been quiet for a while now. -Jeff General Manager CTI (773) 667-4585 x2509 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ohio Carriers
Could you Ohio people tell me who you know of in the state that provides big bandwidth services or dark fiber... preferably outside the big downtowns? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTOP Question
*bump* -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:37 AM To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NTOP Question Does anyone else have a problem with the AS report not seeming to show all your traffic? The sent column shows the AS I'm on sending 1.3 GB at 100%. The received column shows 63 megs as being 72%. Something doesn't seem right here. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] CentOS iSCSI
Any recommendations for an iSCSI SAN device that will work with CentOS? Storage capacity isn't so much an issue as reliability, availability, and cost. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTOP Question
I did, but their response was, think about it... and I will too. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTOP Question You might want to try the NTOP mailing list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Hammett wrote: *bump* -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:37 AM To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NTOP Question Does anyone else have a problem with the AS report not seeming to show all your traffic? The sent column shows the AS I'm on sending 1.3 GB at 100%. The received column shows 63 megs as being 72%. Something doesn't seem right here. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Thanks to Roc-Noc
I'd like to put out a big thanks to Tom Harker of Roc-Noc. I botched some Mikrotik upgrades today and needed some boards ASAP. I called Tom up at 2 in the afternoon. He had a dentist (or was it doctor, I dunno) appointment to go to, but would get my order together for me. By 3:00 I was on my way home with a bunch of new gear. I was only able to swap out two customers before it was too late, but I couldn't have done it if Tom didn't get me the gear that quickly. Thanks. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bad radio?
overall-tx-ccq: 59% authenticated-clients: 1 current-ack-timeout: 29 wds-link: no nstreme: no framing-mode: none routeros-version: 2.9.51 last-ip: 10.10.4.13 802.1x-port-enabled: yes compression: no current-tx-powers: 6Mbps:24(24),9Mbps:24(24),12Mbps:24(24),18Mbps:24(24),24Mbps:24(24),36Mbps:22(22),48Mbps:20(20),54Mbps:19(19) notify-external-fdb: no -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad radio?
I changed the freq a bit and didn't see any significant change. I climbed and swapped the pigtails with North and changed all the settings so they were fully swapped. Everyone on the south sector (which did have the questionable radio) is now happy. Now the North sector is showing the same symptoms on my test CPE. It's a good thing everyone except two are on East and West until I get this sorted out. Time to contact Streakwave about a bad radio... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 1:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bad radio? It would be interesting to switch the freqs around and see what happens. It's probably a bad radio or cable though. -RickG On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this seem like the radio isn't loud enough? I setup the test CPE on the TV tower at my house and pointed it at the tower. Radio Mobile reports the azimuth as 250 degrees, so well within the south sector's coverage and only at a distance of 230'. I am well below the vertical beamwidth of the sectors, explaining the relatively low signals, but ICS2 is horrible. 1 = North, 2 = South, 3 = West, 4 = East. It makes no sense that South is that much worse signal wise than the others, especially considering that it should be on the South sector anyway. 3 and 4 are SR5s while 1 and 2 are XR5s. I just replaced the towers with the XR5s. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Test Platform] /interface wireless scan wlan1 Flags: A - active, B - bss, P - privacy, R - routeros-network, N - nstreme ADDRESS SSID BAND FREQ SIG NF SNR RADIO-NAME AB R 00:15:6D:50:16:C6 ICS3 5ghz 5745 -72 -99 27 00156D5016C6 AB R 00:15:6D:50:17:09 ICS4 5ghz 5765 -68 -99 31 00156D501709 AB R 00:15:6D:64:0B:59 ICS1 5ghz 5785 -77 -99 22 00156D640B59 AB R 00:15:6D:64:0B:55 ICS2 5ghz 5825 -85 -99 14 00156D640B55 Here is a listing of the signals when connected: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Test Platform] /interface wireless monitor wlan1 status: connected-to-ess band: 5ghz frequency: 5785MHz tx-rate: 6Mbps rx-rate: 6Mbps ssid: ICS1 bssid: 00:15:6D:64:0B:59 radio-name: 00156D640B59 signal-strength: -77dBm tx-signal-strength: -74dBm noise-floor: -107dBm signal-to-noise: 30dB tx-ccq: 58% p-throughput: 5481 overall-tx-ccq: 58% authenticated-clients: 1 current-ack-timeout: 28 wds-link: no nstreme: no framing-mode: none routeros-version: 2.9.51 last-ip: 10.10.1.1 802.1x-port-enabled: yes compression: no current-tx-powers: 6Mbps:24(24),9Mbps:24(24),12Mbps:24(24),18Mbps:24(24),24Mbps:24(24),36Mbps:22(22),48Mbps:20(20),54Mbps:19(19) notify-external-fdb: no [EMAIL PROTECTED] Test Platform] /interface wireless monitor wlan1 status: connected-to-ess band: 5ghz frequency: 5825MHz tx-rate: 6Mbps rx-rate: 6Mbps ssid: ICS2 bssid: 00:15:6D:64:0B:55 radio-name: 00156D640B55 signal-strength: -86dBm tx-signal-strength: -76dBm noise-floor: -107dBm signal-to-noise: 21dB tx-ccq: 59% p-throughput: 5535 overall-tx-ccq: 58% authenticated-clients: 1 current-ack-timeout: 167 wds-link: no nstreme: no framing-mode: none routeros-version: 2.9.51 802.1x-port-enabled: yes compression: no current-tx-powers: 6Mbps:24(24),9Mbps:24(24),12Mbps:24(24),18Mbps:24(24),24Mbps:24(24),36Mbps:22(22),48Mbps:20(20),54Mbps:19(19) notify-external-fdb: no -- [Q quit|D dump|C-z pause] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Test Platform] /interface wireless monitor wlan1 status: connected-to-ess band: 5ghz frequency: 5745MHz tx-rate: 6Mbps rx-rate: 6Mbps ssid: ICS3 bssid: 00:15:6D:50:16:C6 radio-name: 00156D5016C6 signal-strength: -74dBm tx-signal-strength: -70dBm noise-floor: -106dBm signal-to-noise: 32dB tx-ccq: 59% p-throughput: 5518 overall-tx-ccq: 59% authenticated-clients: 1 current-ack-timeout: 28 wds-link: no nstreme: no framing-mode
Re: [WISPA] Bad radio?
Oddly enough, I have spares for the clients, but not for the towers... never had a bad tower radio before. This one could be classified as DOA since it hasn't even been up there a week before it started doing this. There was only 1 wireless client (is a repeater) total between North and South sectors... I just replaced the PacWireless sectors, SR5s, and u.fl pigtails with MTI sectors, XR5s, and MMCX pigtails. Just didn't have the coverage I was experiencing with the East and West sectors, which have significantly more people. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bad radio? You don't keep spare radio cards in stock? That's probably something you should consider. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I changed the freq a bit and didn't see any significant change. I climbed and swapped the pigtails with North and changed all the settings so they were fully swapped. Everyone on the south sector (which did have the questionable radio) is now happy. Now the North sector is showing the same symptoms on my test CPE. It's a good thing everyone except two are on East and West until I get this sorted out. Time to contact Streakwave about a bad radio... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 1:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bad radio? It would be interesting to switch the freqs around and see what happens. It's probably a bad radio or cable though. -RickG On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this seem like the radio isn't loud enough? I setup the test CPE on the TV tower at my house and pointed it at the tower. Radio Mobile reports the azimuth as 250 degrees, so well within the south sector's coverage and only at a distance of 230'. I am well below the vertical beamwidth of the sectors, explaining the relatively low signals, but ICS2 is horrible. 1 = North, 2 = South, 3 = West, 4 = East. It makes no sense that South is that much worse signal wise than the others, especially considering that it should be on the South sector anyway. 3 and 4 are SR5s while 1 and 2 are XR5s. I just replaced the towers with the XR5s. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Test Platform] /interface wireless scan wlan1 Flags: A - active, B - bss, P - privacy, R - routeros-network, N - nstreme ADDRESS SSID BAND FREQ SIG NF SNR RADIO-NAME AB R 00:15:6D:50:16:C6 ICS3 5ghz 5745 -72 -99 27 00156D5016C6 AB R 00:15:6D:50:17:09 ICS4 5ghz 5765 -68 -99 31 00156D501709 AB R 00:15:6D:64:0B:59 ICS1 5ghz 5785 -77 -99 22 00156D640B59 AB R 00:15:6D:64:0B:55 ICS2 5ghz 5825 -85 -99 14 00156D640B55 Here is a listing of the signals when connected: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Test Platform] /interface wireless monitor wlan1 status: connected-to-ess band: 5ghz frequency: 5785MHz tx-rate: 6Mbps rx-rate: 6Mbps ssid: ICS1 bssid: 00:15:6D:64:0B:59 radio-name: 00156D640B59 signal-strength: -77dBm tx-signal-strength: -74dBm noise-floor: -107dBm signal-to-noise: 30dB tx-ccq: 58% p-throughput: 5481 overall-tx-ccq: 58% authenticated-clients: 1 current-ack-timeout: 28 wds-link: no nstreme: no framing-mode: none routeros-version: 2.9.51 last-ip: 10.10.1.1 802.1x-port-enabled: yes compression: no current-tx-powers: 6Mbps:24(24),9Mbps:24(24),12Mbps:24(24),18Mbps:24(24),24Mbps:24(24),36Mbps:22(22),48Mbps:20(20),54Mbps:19(19) notify-external-fdb: no [EMAIL PROTECTED] Test Platform] /interface wireless monitor wlan1 status: connected-to-ess band: 5ghz frequency: 5825MHz tx-rate: 6Mbps rx-rate: 6Mbps ssid: ICS2 bssid: 00:15:6D:64:0B:55 radio-name: 00156D640B55 signal-strength: -86dBm tx-signal-strength: -76dBm noise-floor: -107dBm signal-to-noise: 21dB tx-ccq: 59% p-throughput: 5535 overall-tx-ccq: 58% authenticated-clients: 1 current-ack-timeout: 167 wds-link: no nstreme: no framing-mode: none routeros-version: 2.9.51 802.1x-port-enabled: yes compression: no current-tx-powers: 6Mbps:24(24),9Mbps:24(24),12Mbps:24(24),18Mbps:24(24),24Mbps:24(24
Re: [WISPA] Insurance
What does all of that cost you? Can someone just starting out suffice with just liability? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
