RE: [WISPA] 900 client and omni antennas

[danlist]

What about the pacwireless grid’s?

 











From:
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006
2:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 client
and omni antennas



 



The best client antenna in 900 depends on the typical
weather / environment, not just specifically best antenna.





 





To combat heavy foliage in very Rural areas (dry summer
months), M2inc's - 17 dbi Yagis have been invaluable to gain maximum
RSSI, to penetrate the trees.  However, they become useless in Winter
weather, when they get ice buildup on them.





 





In a ice/snow heavy environment, panel antennas are MUCH
better, for example the built-in 10dbi antenna of Trango 900 radios, to get max
allowed RSSI in a weather resistent panel enclosure.  The F/B is poor
(only 12 db), but often the best choice for ease, cost, and Dual pol
flexibilty.





 





In high noise areas, such as Urban or colocated near paging
gear, a high quality antenna like MTI's 10 dbi panel, offers maximum F/B
ratio, to block out interference. Not much can out perform them, but
at a trade off of cost and flexibility of pol change on the fly.





 





When Yagi's can be mounted low for easy access, (within
Gorilla Ladder height (18 feet), and for residential where I can afford to take
the risk of not having pol change on the fly (usually consistent noise floor on
a polarity), I don't hesitate to install a Yagi as my first
choice.  Often Verticle is less desirable interference any way, based
on paging companies.  However, for critical links, installing the M2inc
yagis are risky. They mounting method is horrible. It allows a lot of play for
the Yagi to move in heavy winds.  If mounted high on a steep roof, I avoid
the Yagi unless they are absolutely necessary, because they need mcuh more
frequent attention. For example to wipe the snow off of them, or re-align.





 





There are someother Yagis that have more secure double point
mounts, around 12-15 dbi, if you can afford to give up the 2 db.





 





As for verticle Omni type client antennas, for example for
mobile apps, I have no advice.





   





Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband





 





 







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From: Rick
Harnish 





To: 'WISPA General
List' 





Sent: Monday, February
13, 2006 1:11 PM





Subject: [WISPA] 900 client
and omni antennas





 



What are the 900 client antennas of choice as well as omni
directionals.  I would like a solution that can get 5-6 miles NLOS. 
We don’t have a lot of dense foliage that we have tried to penetrate up
until now but are looking for a solution for select cells.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick
Harnish

President

OnlyInternet
Broadband & Wireless, Inc.

260-827-2482
Office

260-307-4000
Cell

260-918-4340
VoIP

www.oibw.net

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RE: [WISPA] 900 client and omni antennas

[danlist]

It worked? Wow, I've got a 17db M2 that just doesn't work up here in NE w/ the
weather conditions in winter that I want to replace w/ the 15db 900mhz grid but
have been skeptical



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Rick Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 client and omni antennas
> 
> Actually, Tom, I was skeptical of the 15dbi grid  as well, so I grabbed
> one it worked... worked well as I remember.   I pulled it out of the
> box at a customer's site where we SWORE it would work with a 13 yagi,
> but it didn't, and it made a Canopy link usable...
> 
> They're awkward as hell, but the funny thing is, you can use the SAME
> grid and replace the horn someday if situations change and you happen to
> gain LOS to the same tower... :)
> 
> At around $75, they're not too bad on the wallet, either.
> 
> Tom DeReggi wrote:
> 
> > The large 3 ft 18 dbi round one sure looks cool, when you have space
> > to mount a 3 ft parabolic dish. Not many homeowners would allow that
> > one on the roof. However, I'm scared to use the 15 dbi ones, Its the
> > same grid as 2.4Ghz.  I have a hard time believing a grid designed for
> > 2.4Ghz works well for 900Mhz as well. I have no testing experience
> > with it to know one way or the other.
> >
> > We've used the Pac Omnis, solid parabolics, and panels, andthey've all
> > worked well as spec'd.
> >
> > Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> > *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2006 8:11 PM
> > *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] 900 client and omni antennas
> >
> > What about the pacwireless grid’s?
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Tom DeReggi
> > *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2006 2:11 PM
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 900 client and omni antennas
> >
> >
> >
> > The best client antenna in 900 depends on the typical weather /
> > environment, not just specifically best antenna.
> >
> >
> >
> > To combat heavy foliage in very Rural areas (dry summer
> > months), M2inc's - 17 dbi Yagis have been invaluable to gain
> > maximum RSSI, to penetrate the trees.  However, they become
> > useless in Winter weather, when they get ice buildup on them.
> >
> >
> >
> > In a ice/snow heavy environment, panel antennas are MUCH better,
> > for example the built-in 10dbi antenna of Trango 900 radios, to
> > get max allowed RSSI in a weather resistent panel enclosure.  The
> > F/B is poor (only 12 db), but often the best choice for ease,
> > cost, and Dual pol flexibilty.
> >
> >
> >
> > In high noise areas, such as Urban or colocated near paging gear,
> > a high quality antenna like MTI's 10 dbi panel, offers maximum F/B
> > ratio, to block out interference. Not much can out perform them,
> > but at a trade off of cost and flexibility of pol change on the fly.
> >
> >
> >
> > When Yagi's can be mounted low for easy access, (within Gorilla
> > Ladder height (18 feet), and for residential where I can afford to
> > take the risk of not having pol change on the fly (usually
> > consistent noise floor on a polarity), I don't hesitate to install
> > a Yagi as my first choice.  Often Verticle is less desirable
> > interference any way, based on paging companies.  However, for
> > critical links, installing the M2inc yagis are risky. They
> > mounting method is horrible. It allows a lot of play for the Yagi
> > to move in heavy winds.  If mounted high on a steep roof, I avoid
> > the Yagi unless they are absolutely necessary, because they need
> > mcuh more frequent attention. For example to wipe the snow off of
> > them, or re-align.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are someother Yagis that have more secure double point
> > mounts, around 12-15 dbi, if you can afford to give up the 2 db.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for verticle Omni type client antennas, for example for mobile
> > apps, I have no advice.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >
> > *From:* Rick Harnish 
> >
> > *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> >
> > *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2006 1:11 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* [WISPA] 900 client and omni antennas
> >
> >
> >
> > What are the 900 client antennas of choice as well as omni
> > directionals.  I would like a soluti

RE: [WISPA] bandwidth

[danlist]

Are any vendors shipping products which are FCC certified for these frequencies?

Thanks

Dan


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> 
> Last month, the FCC officially opened up the use of the middle band of
> the Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure (UNII) spectrum
> (5.470 GHz to 5.725 GHz) to 54Mbps 802.11a Wi-Fi networks in the United
> States. The band adds another 255 MHz and 11 channels to the existing
> 325 MHz and 13 channels available for Wi-Fi in this band.
> 
> As of January 20, any products that apply for certification in the 5.470
> GHz to 5.725 GHz band or in the lower end of the UNII band at 5.25
> GHz to 5.35 GHz, were required to support dynamic frequency selection
> (DFS) and transmit power control (TPC) to minimize interference, per a
> February 2005 FCC order
> .
> 
>  From Joanie Wexler...
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RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems

[danlist]

Not at 900mhz though


Does anybody have any idea on the availability of the 30Mbps access point that
works w/ the $150 5Ghz cpe?

Dan Metcalf
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> 
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> > but that sub $300 CPE that a Trango told me about last August never
> > showed up.  So I guess I move on
> >
> > Brian
> >
> It did. Only at $150!!!
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RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems

[danlist]

How did you get your trango 900mhz so
cheap? My price on the web is still listed at $475.. I would be deploying more
at $340

 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz
Systems



 

I paid less for my last purchase of Trango 900mhz. And
they do have a new 900mhz CPE that is currently in beta which will be even
cheaper.

Travis
Microserv

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I bought my last round of Waverider cpe w/ antenna for $340 ea. chris   Quoting Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:   

Has anyone else brought out an inexpensive 900MHz CPE besides Motorola? I keep hoping Trango will as I wish to deploy a 900MHz system in a new area.  But $500+ CPE costs will not cut it. Any other options?  Any distributors out there who want a chance to pitch their 900MHz systems?  Bring them on  -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name --  Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP269-686-8648 A division of:Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 

 








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RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

[danlist]

802.11 uses ARQ for the RETRY, polling helps (turbocell, nstream, etc)

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> Of Pete Davis
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:29 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
> 
> The 900Mhz pricing has always been higher than 2.4ghz 802.11x on price.
> Probably always will be.
> What 900mhz buys you is NLOS performance. 900mhz links will cut through
> trees that 802.11b only dreams about.
> I am not sure how well the new Ubiquiti cards running 802.11 on them
> will do with NLOS. Waverider is the 900mhz I am familiar with, and part
> of the positive things about it are the way it will retry packets up to
> 3 times before failing them. I don't think that 802.11 has a packet
> retry as part of its protocol. Another downside of Waverider (or any
> other 900mhz as far as I know) its that a Waverider 900mhz Access point
> (CCU) is only good for 2mbps total network throughput, and 1.5mbps to
> any one client.
> 
> 
> Pete Davis
> NoDial.net
> 
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> >
> > Something needs to be done about this 900mhz pricing, at these prices
> > I can justify setting up more 2.4ghz to get to these last mile customers.
> >
> > Kurt Fankhauser
> >
> > WAVELINC
> >
> > 114 S. Walnut St.
> >
> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> >
> > 419-562-6405
> >
> > www.wavelinc.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis
> > *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2006 7:54 AM
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
> >
> > That is why I posted the request on 900MHz myself
> >
> > I am suprised that no distributors or manufactures has replied yet...
> >
> > Dylan Bouterse wrote:
> >
> > We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless
> > portfolio. I’m very interested to hear about implemented systems and
> > what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is
> > greatly appreciated.
> >
> > **Dylan Bouterse .  **Sr. System Engineer
> >
> > ___
> >
> > *p.* 352.253.2200
> > *f.* 352.742.2211
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> >
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> >
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RE: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers

[danlist]

Sounds like a nice tool

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> Subject: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about.  It uses special rj45
> connectors that allow the cable to go through the end.  Then the crimper
> crimps and cuts to length at the same time.
> 
> Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the
> crimper?
> 
> thanks!
> 
> Marlon
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RE: [WISPA] Solectek Skyway 7000

[danlist]

Whats the deal n the airaya stuff? Are they
making the 5.3 stuff? What are the specs?

 



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From:
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982-2181
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006
11:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solectek
Skyway 7000



 



Hiya Matt,





 





I used to sell Solectek gear.  Years ago.  It was
a good company with good gear as I recall.  If you are up and running and
have a good reputation in your market it never hurts to try new toys.





 





These days most of the gear I'm buying for links like that
comes from Airaya.  It's great stuff and I LOVE the 5.3 band!





 





laters,





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From: Matt Glaves 





To: wireless@wispa.org






Sent: Wednesday,
February 22, 2006 6:49 PM





Subject: [WISPA] Solectek
Skyway 7000





 



I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at
either trying their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building to
building links.  I have seen enough favorable posts about the Atlas to
know plenty of you are using it successfully – although I sure wish I
could get one of their sales folks to return a phone call.  Leave a
message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls back  Anyway J

 

I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000.  This
would be for very short <.5 mile links between buildings.  We would
normally use Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with
similar capabilities and 20-40% lower cost.  Any info/opinions on
reliability and real world throughput would be great.

 

Thanks,

Matt

 







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RE: [WISPA] Sales & Marketing of Unlicensed Wireless Services --SomeObservations

[danlist]

> 
> I'd argue market conditions is the biggest factor. So why spend the money on
> the higher price gear?
> 

Well currently canopy is pretty "cheap" but only does 7Mbps/7Mbps throughput, a
MT system w/ 23db MTI pocket antenna is about $400 but will do 30Mbps with good
SNR and 15Mbps w/o a problem

The next step is the alvarion VL line which is pretty costly, then there is the
solectek(sp?), and some other atheros based solutions, all seem to be about
$1000 cpe priced solutions

I want the 15Mbps to 30Mbps to the CPE and will pay more than the canopy cheapo
version to get, is it worth it? Is it worth to roll my own MT solution or to pay
more for the pre-rolled alvarion/solectek/etc?
 

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RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

[danlist]

so should primus be avoided?

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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
> 
> Primus is a big International LD company. That is how it began in 1994.
> Check out the Primus Wireless plan. Cellular and VOIP are based in
> International exchanges.
> 
> Primus has short term debt of $26M; long term is $635M.
> About to be de-listed from Nasdaq.
> Net loss for the fourth quarter 2005 was ($25) million (including a $13
> million net loss from foreign currency transactions, a $4 million gain
> on early extinguishment of debt and $1 million in severance expense).
> 
> Revenue growth was in wireless (MVNO), Covad re-sale, and International
> markets.
> 
> Retail VOIP services grew modestly in the quarter to approximately
> 104,000 customers. This growth level reflects the fact that the Company
> continued to moderate its investment in LINGO in part due to the
> disruption in marketing activities raised by E911 regulations. Revenue
> from retail VOIP customers reached $8 million during the fourth quarter.
> 
> 
> John Scrivner wrote:
> 
> > Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do
> > make money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you share
> > more about your information about Primus? I have a big interest in
> > knowing anything I can about them right now.
> > Thanks,
> > Scriv
> >
> >
> > Peter R. wrote:
> >
> >> You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet.
> >> Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP company.
> >>
> >> Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out how
> >> to make a profit.
> >>
> >> Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in
> >> revenue in 4Q05 and just $22k in income.
> >>
> >> Vonage has a customer acquisition cost that is 20 times their MRC.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Peter
> >
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[WISPA] polycom IP 500 phones -- headset options???

[danlist]

Can anybody suggest a good headset
(wireless/Bluetooth) for the polycom IP500

 



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RE: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)

[danlist]

So basically your talking about a Mikrotik CPE w/ atheros radio at 5ghz, 2.4ghz
or the coming 900mhz radio running on rb532 SBC

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Mark Koskenmaki
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:42 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tim Kerns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
> 
> 
> > Ok dream list.
> >
> > I think for future triple play I would make that 20 mbits
> > what you mention plus:
> 
> Ok, 20mbit capability.
> 
> > multiple freq. by change of radio card ..  for today 900 mhz, 2.4ghz,
> > 5ghz
> 
> Ok, but what if we say "flexible wireless standards, by means of
> standardized replaceable radios"?   Would that work?
> 
> > support for higher powered radios
> > single and dual radio versions
> 
> Ok, so you want "relay" capable?   Can we state it that way?
> 
> > QOS
> > Channel size  5mhz,10mhz etc.
> 
> This is included in the "flexible wireless standards" statement...
> 
> > firewall
> 
> What do you firewall?  I have a small list of ports I firewall, but havent'
> found it to be a big issue.
> 
> > port forwarding
> 
> Why port forwarding?   I find it easier to route a small subnet of public
> IP's.
> 
> > dual ethernet
> 
> What do you use ethernet #2 for?
> 
> > POE - prefer standard 48 vdc
> 
> Ok, I did not include POE,  thanks.
> 
> > small footprint
> 
> ok, good addition.
> 
> > SNMP
> 
> Good thing.
> 
> > syslogs and remote syslog
> 
> How much does this really do?   Who has it and who uses it?   I'd love to
> know.
> 
> > watchdog, both ping and hardware
> 
> !!! good :)
> 
> > maybe e-mail alerts through self monitoring (could be done through syslogs
> > server)
> 
> What would it alert you to?   "failure" would be considered a disconnect,
> would it not, in which case you'd never get the alert...
> 
> > support multiple gateways
> 
> CPE?  Do you mean, a cpe that has 2 radios that connect to 2 different AP's
> for redundancy?
> 
> > temp range for outside installations
> 
> A given, but, yeah, good spec to have.
> 
> >
> > as you asked Mark  dream list.
> 
> Awesome.  Thanks.   As I sit wondering how to achieve that parity with DSL
> or Cable, so that I can have no large "install" cost hurdle and grow rapidly
> without any more cash binds than I'm in right now...I figured I'd see
> what everone wanted in a CPE.  Not to evangelize a network type or
> particular maker's system, but just generically, to see what things people
> think are important...  (or, "what the heck am I missing, here...")
> 
> 
> North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
> personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
> sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
> Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
> 
> -
> 
> >
> > Tim Kerns
> > CV-Access, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:55 AM
> > Subject: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > What's your CPE do for you...  Or what do you WISH it did for you?
> > >
> > > My dream list...
> > >
> > > < $100 without antenna
> > > can deliver at least 10 mbit to customer
> > > Routing
> > > nat
> > > DHCP server to client
> > > DHCP client to AP
> > > bandwidth control
> > > Centralized management and configuration
> > > centralized or automatic update
> > >
> > >
> > > What other things do have or wish your cpe did for you?  Or,
> > > characteristics
> > > of your CPE?
> > >
> > > Let's not get into dsss vs ofdm vs (insert favorite here) etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
> > > personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
> > > sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
> > > Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
> >
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RE: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)

[danlist]

Every feature discussed in this thread is available in the mikrotik OS/CPE,
while I agree the completed cpe costs are costly at around $350 at 5ghz ---

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Mark Koskenmaki
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:42 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
> 
> No, I'm not.
> 
> 
> 
> North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
> personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
> sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
> Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
> 
> -
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
> 
> 
> > So basically your talking about a Mikrotik CPE w/ atheros radio at 5ghz,
> 2.4ghz
> > or the coming 900mhz radio running on rb532 SBC
> >
> > Dan Metcalf
> > Wireless Broadband Systems
> > www.wbisp.com
> > 781-566-2053 ext 6201
> > 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > > Of Mark Koskenmaki
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:42 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it
> did?)
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Tim Kerns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:24 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it
> did?)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ok dream list.
> > > >
> > > > I think for future triple play I would make that 20 mbits
> > > > what you mention plus:
> > >
> > > Ok, 20mbit capability.
> > >
> > > > multiple freq. by change of radio card ..  for today 900 mhz,
> 2.4ghz,
> > > > 5ghz
> > >
> > > Ok, but what if we say "flexible wireless standards, by means of
> > > standardized replaceable radios"?   Would that work?
> > >
> > > > support for higher powered radios
> > > > single and dual radio versions
> > >
> > > Ok, so you want "relay" capable?   Can we state it that way?
> > >
> > > > QOS
> > > > Channel size  5mhz,10mhz etc.
> > >
> > > This is included in the "flexible wireless standards" statement...
> > >
> > > > firewall
> > >
> > > What do you firewall?  I have a small list of ports I firewall, but
> havent'
> > > found it to be a big issue.
> > >
> > > > port forwarding
> > >
> > > Why port forwarding?   I find it easier to route a small subnet of
> public
> > > IP's.
> > >
> > > > dual ethernet
> > >
> > > What do you use ethernet #2 for?
> > >
> > > > POE - prefer standard 48 vdc
> > >
> > > Ok, I did not include POE,  thanks.
> > >
> > > > small footprint
> > >
> > > ok, good addition.
> > >
> > > > SNMP
> > >
> > > Good thing.
> > >
> > > > syslogs and remote syslog
> > >
> > > How much does this really do?   Who has it and who uses it?   I'd love
> to
> > > know.
> > >
> > > > watchdog, both ping and hardware
> > >
> > > !!! good :)
> > >
> > > > maybe e-mail alerts through self monitoring (could be done through
> syslogs
> > > > server)
> > >
> > > What would it alert you to?   "failure" would be considered a
> disconnect,
> > > would it not, in which case you'd never get the alert...
> > >
> > > > support multiple gateways
> > >
> > > CPE?  Do you mean, a cpe that has 2 radios that connect to 2 different
> AP's
> > > for redundancy?
> > >
> > > > temp range for outside installations
> > >
> > > A given, but, yeah, good spec to have.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > as you asked Mark  dream list.
> > >
> > > Awesome.  Thanks.   As I sit wondering how to achieve that parity with
> DSL
> > > or Cable, so that I can have no large "install" cost hurdle and grow
> rapidly
> > > without any more cash binds than I'm in right now...I figured I'd
> see
> > > what everone wanted in a CPE.  Not to evangelize a network type or
> > > particular maker's system, but just generically, to see what things
> people
> > > think are important...  (or, "what the heck am I missing, here...")
> > >
> > >
> > > North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
> > > personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
> > > sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
> > > Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
> >
> > --
> --
> > > -
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Tim Kerns
> > > > CV-Access, Inc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> 

[WISPA] sample roof top lease

[danlist]

Anybody have a sample roof top lease I could get a copy of ?

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RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

[danlist]

On a good system like canopy or polling (nstream or turbocell) I  have been able
to run a FDX style link, downloading 1.5Mbps while uploading 1.5Mbps, using
Nstream I have done 15Mbps pseudo-fdx


Nstream2 allows a true FDX channel but I believe only PTP

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:22 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
> 
> It is true. Basic logic says that 3Mbps divided in half means you can
> get 1.5Mbps. Further, find any device that can have strict time division
> partitioning set and test it yourself.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> Travis Johnson wrote:
> 
> > Matt,
> >
> > This is not true. With a telco T1, if someone starts a 1.5Mbps upload,
> > it has no effect on the download (i.e. virus traffic, music sharing,
> > worms, etc.). With a wireless connection, even at 3.0Mbps, a 1.5Mbps
> > upload will bring it almost to a stop.
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > Matt Liotta wrote:
> >
> >> 3Mbps half-duplex delivered using 50% time division is equivalent to
> >> 1.5Mbps full-duplex. The fact that many TDD radios can have dynamic
> >> time division makes a 3Mbps half-duplex link superior IMHO.
> >>
> >> -Matt
> >>
> >> Travis Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Tom,
> >>>
> >>> Are you saying that you compare your wireless service to T1 telco
> >>> service? How are you doing full-duplex with wireless?
> >>>
> >>> Travis
> >>> Microserv
> >>>
> >>> Tom DeReggi wrote:
> >>>
>  Chris,
> 
>  I agree with your finding.
>  But its possible your focus group did not get all the fact. (Or
>  what was the finding?)
>  For example, its not only important to determine what terms the
>  customer best recognizes and identify with, but also what meaning
>  they have for those terms that they identify with.
> 
>  For example, it does not surprise me a bit, that "High Speed
>  Internet" was the term that the consumer best identified with.
>  However, most people identify "High Speed Internet" as much with
>  DialUP service as they do with "Broadband".
>  And if not identified with DialUP, its then identifies with DSL or
>  Cable services.  Why do we want to create the image of offering
>  commodity services, design for huge over subscription, low repair
>  SLAs, and best effort?
> 
>  Do you consider cable and DSL as a good or bad thing, as far as
>  setting standards for quality?
> 
>  We don't want to be identified as that.  We want to be something
>  better.
> 
>  Now if you are offering lower quality, best effort, Wifi services
>  to your clients, and you are striving to be a competitor to Cable
>  and DSL quality, sure Brand the product as DSL, and its a good
>  thing.  And please do so, so your wireless is not identified with
>  what we offer, branding high quality fiber extension and T1
>  replacement services.
> 
>  In your focus group did you get any results on their perception of
>  quality that they associated with Cable and DSL or the term "High
>  Speed Internet"?
> 
>  Would you suggest branding your T1 or Fiber offerings as "High
>  Speed Internet", since customers best identify with that term?
> 
>  Maybe we should be branding our service as "Wi-Fiber". or Maybe
>  "Ethernet Internet Access"  (of course like end users will know
>  what Ethernet means.)
> 
>  Its a tough call because if we called our service "Fiber" or "T1"
>  we'd most likely be liars based on their true definitions.
>  Nothing exists realting to quality for us to piggy back on.
> 
>  All though "Broadband" may not be as well recognized, its doesn;t
>  associate us with Telcos or Cable companies necessarilly.
>  Broadband is truthfully defined as a general term to cover any
>  media type of delivery of Internet Access.
> 
>  Tom DeReggi
>  RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
>  - Original Message - From: "chris cooper"
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:34 AM
>  Subject: RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> > We conducted a few focus groups here.  Most of the attendees were
> > in the
> > 18-24 yr. age bracket.  It was amazing how many didn't identify
> > with the
> > word broadband.  The words they responded to best were 'high speed
> > internet"  Wireless was way down the list.  Too much confusion with
> > cellular.
> >
> > That said, I think wireless will hold its own as a marketing term
> > eventually.  Wireless is the sexy new darling of the world. It

RE: [WISPA] Dish mount

[danlist]

The problem I have seen w/ the pacwireless units that it uses 2 bolts, while
most satellite DSS setups actually have 3 bolts, 1 on each side (total 2) plus
the one that goes all the way through.  

Having 2 bolts that go all the way through doesn't seem to be as solid as the
3bolt design

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:06 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dish mount
> 
> I pay a bit more than that but the ones I get from Pac Wireless are, by far,
> the strongest one's I've seen on the market.
> marlon
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:47 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Dish mount
> 
> 
> >I know this has been talked about before, but I can't find it.  Where is
> >the best place to get the DSS type Dish arms/mounts?
> >
> > I am looking to pay $6-$8
> >
> > Brian
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RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

[danlist]

Our noc is connected w/ a 5.8Ghz PTP Link.  We do streaming audio from that NOC
while also providing internet access.. During the day the streaming audio hits
over 2Mbps and during that same time we pulling 2Mbps to 4Mbps from the
internet.

The system is definitely HDX but has no problem sending and receiving data
providing that there is capacity on the radio link, it just switch's rx/tx so
fast

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:46 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If someone wants to setup whatever wireless network they would like to
> test and then let me know, I'll gladly send you a CD you can pop in a
> laptop and connect at the CPE side. It will dish out 4,000pps and
> 1.5Mbps of upload traffic. Then you can go ahead and try and download
> something at the same time across that same link using the same CPE
> connection.
> 
> If it were a telco-T1, the download would not even notice the upload.
> Wireless, being a half-duplex medium, does not compare to a full-duplex
> line. Licensed and true microwave systems are a different story.
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> Tom DeReggi wrote:
> 
> > Travis,
> >
> > We do not see that on our network.
> > One provider's usage rarely has an effect on the others, that can be
> > significantly noticed.
> > When bandwidth management is done at the first hop at every cell site,
> > this does not happen.
> > I'm referring to using Trango 5830s.
> >
> > You are however bringing up the difference between time syncronized
> > circuit based apposed to Ethernet products.
> > With Ethernet, there is always a scale up and scale down of speed,
> > based on the TCP protocol when limits are reached, but this has
> > nothing to do with half or full duplex. The same degregation using
> > Ethernet applies to traffic going in the same direction.
> > For Ethernet to be a viable repalcement for T1, it must be of greater
> > capacity.
> >
> > The second thing, distinguishing the difference between T1 and DSL
> > classe, and which Wireless compares to, is more than just Speed and
> > Duplex.
> >
> > SLAs,  Repair Time, Network support, Peak Speed, etc.
> >
> > the idea is that unused bandwdith can never be gone back to regain use
> > of. So offering 3 mbps speed allows network usage to be delivered
> > sooner, so bandwidth is free for upcomming traffic, therefore making
> > more traffic available for that upcomming need. Higher capacity allows
> > more efficient use of the bandwdith.  So we find that our customers
> > tend to recognize a perception of much better speed on our wireless
> > links than our T1 links, because they have fewer congestion times.
> >
> > The secret is for the bandwdith management to be provided equally on a
> > PRIORITY basis.
> >
> > Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
> >
> >
> >> Matt,
> >>
> >> This is not true. With a telco T1, if someone starts a 1.5Mbps
> >> upload, it has no effect on the download (i.e. virus traffic, music
> >> sharing, worms, etc.). With a wireless connection, even at 3.0Mbps, a
> >> 1.5Mbps upload will bring it almost to a stop.
> >>
> >> Travis
> >> Microserv
> >>
> >> Matt Liotta wrote:
> >>
> >>> 3Mbps half-duplex delivered using 50% time division is equivalent to
> >>> 1.5Mbps full-duplex. The fact that many TDD radios can have dynamic
> >>> time division makes a 3Mbps half-duplex link superior IMHO.
> >>>
> >>> -Matt
> >>>
> >>> Travis Johnson wrote:
> >>>
>  Tom,
> 
>  Are you saying that you compare your wireless service to T1 telco
>  service? How are you doing full-duplex with wireless?
> 
>  Travis
>  Microserv
> 
>  Tom DeReggi wrote:
> 
> > Chris,
> >
> > I agree with your finding.
> > But its possible your focus group did not get all the fact. (Or
> > what was the finding?)
> > For example, its not only important to determine what terms the
> > customer best recognizes and identify with, but also what meaning
> > they have for those terms that they identify with.
> >
> > For example, it does not surprise me a bit, that "High Speed
> > Internet" was the term that the consumer best identified with.
> > However, most people identify "High Speed Internet" as much with
> > DialUP service as they do with "Broadband".
> > And if not identified with DialUP, its then identifies with DSL or
> > Cable services.  Why do we want to create the image of offering
> > c

RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

[danlist]

All good points and I also think that in a urban/city environment were you have
more visible rooftops that redundancy from another PoP is the key and using a
routing protocol to fail over if the main link goes down


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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
> 
> Travis does bring up an important issue regarding uptime.
> 
> It has been proven that Wireless can be a reliable technology, the flaw is
> not the RF.
> Expecially PtP links engineered between two points on an ISPs network,
> controlled by an ISP.
> The problem however come in on the other side of the link. Can we control
> the factors on the customer side, that can effect reliabilty? And is it cost
> effective to do so?
> 
> Some examples:
> 1. A landscaper cut the CAT5 cable on the side of the house.
> 2. Poor electrical causes frequent radio lockup or Linksys's to loose
> configs.
> 3. A cleaning crew, unplugs routers in MTU building electrical closet, so
> they can plug in their vacume.
> 4. A customer gets a Virus, and sends traffic patterns that manages to force
> lockups on AP regularly.
> 5. A roofer desides to setup a temp work center in front of our rooftop SU
> dish antenna. Packet loss every 3 minutes, when goes to grab another bunch
> of shingles or what ever.
> 
> Many of these problems are less prone to happen with T1 lines, but it has
> nothing to do with technology, it has to do with deployment trends and
> characteristics.  As a result, in some cases, short outages could occur more
> frequently. Thats why its so important that WISPs continue to push the many
> other valuable positives of Wireless that the technology uniquely gives,
> making it all worth it.
> 
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> > Matt,
> >
> > Now you are comparing $150,000 point to point licensed microwave links
> > with $150 CPE point to multi-point links?
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > Matt Liotta wrote:
> >
> >> We haven't been in business for 3 years, but yes we have wireless links
> >> that have 100% uptime. How many years did this entire country depend on
> >> wireless links for long distance prior to fiber optics? The M in MCI
> >> isn't microwave for no reason.
> >>
> >> -Matt
> >>
> >> Travis Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I have point to point T1 lines from Qwest that have been up 100% for the
> >>> last 3 years. That's 100.0% uptime. Do you have any wireless links that
> >>> have that type of reliability?
> >>>
> >>> I am probably one of the largest WISP operators on this and any wireless
> >>> list. I built our entire wireless backbone from the ground up starting
> >>> in 1997. I spent 3 hours on a tower this morning installing two new
> >>> AP's. I understand where wireless fits and where it doesn't.
> >>>
> >>> Travis
> >>> Microserv
> >>>
> >>> Matt Liotta wrote:
> >>>
>  I'll take a wireless link over a T1 any day if for no other reason then
>  the wireless link will be more reliable. You're never going to suffer
>  the loss of a link due to a backhoe or a drunk driver hitting a pole,
>  which are the two most likely reasons for a T1 failure.
> 
>  Personally, I believe that fixed wireless is truly better and I would
>  argue someone has no business working for a fixed wireless company if
>  they don't believe it too.
> 
>  -Matt
> 
>  Travis Johnson wrote:
> 
> > Tom,
> >
> > The original postition and question was "are you comparing your
> > wireless service to telco T1". After your posts, it's obvious that you
> > are... and I would argue that a land-based line will ALWAYS be better
> > than wireless, with all other factors being the same. Now, if you are
> > able to save the customer $xx per month by using wireless, then there
> > is an advantage. If you can provide other services, then there is an
> > advantage. However, comparing a half-duplex system to a full-duplex
> > system and saying they are the same is... not correct.
> >
> > If you had the choice between running a full-duplex wireless system
> > and half-duplex, which would you do? :)
> >
> > If you could purchase a land-based connection to go from point A to
> > point B for $500 per month, or rent roof-top space at point A and
> > point B for $500 per month, which would you choose? ;)
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > Tom DeReggi wrote:
> >
> >

RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

[danlist]

Matt,

What hardware are you using?

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:40 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
> 
> Travis Johnson wrote:
> 
> > 20 years ago before the "fiber" and MCI was using links, they cost
> > more than $150k. Even our local cell phone provider has point to point
> > links that are over $100k today.
> >
> That's nice, but they don't have to cost that much. I know one of the
> local metro counties here is using 7Ghz licensed for trunking their 911
> operations and each link cost under $50k. I am not privy to the uptime
> of these links, but I am guessing that they must be pretty reliable if
> they are used for 911 by a government entity.
> 
> > I've been doing this for almost 10 years I have THOUSANDS of
> > wireless customers. How many customers do you have? The total number
> > of failures is relative to the number of CPE.
> >
> I don't really see how we can compare our businesses as we don't really
> do much multipoint. A customer that just buys a T1 replacement for a
> single location is the exception in our business. Most of our customers
> are buying a lot more bandwidth and/or have many locations. For example,
> one of our CLEC customers just placed an order for 14 new 3Mbps links.
> You think a CLEC is going to use us for last mile if we can't provide
> them with a 99.99%/50ms SLA?
> 
> > And if you are using CPE that is more than $150, maybe you should be
> > looking at Trango. :)
> >
> We evaluated Trango and even used them in a the field for a while. We
> don't use Trango anymore.
> 
> -Matt
> 
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RE: [WISPA] Big trouble with my first AP...

[danlist]

Is it possible the u.fl connectors have come loose? I have had a few issues w/
the u.fl connection coming slightly loose during the tower climb - 

Thanks


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> Of Jason
> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 3:04 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big trouble with my first AP...
> 
> David,
> 
> I was afraid I sounded like a newbie...  Anyway, I've had the radios on
> different channels and the same ones; would this effect the signal
> strength or the s/n ratio?  Signal strength is where the problem is.
> Also I wasn't worried that the coax or antennas were damaged, the radio
> itself was my worry .  I tried both polarities on the antenna I was
> testing with.
> 
> David E. Smith wrote:
> > Jason wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I have a difficult question for the list.  I was testing my 1st
> >> routerboard/mikrotik ap this evening with terrible results.  Let me give
> >> you the rundown of what I have and what has happened.
> >>
> >
> > [ snip: a fairly typical kinda setup ]
> >
> > Forgive me for going through all the really obvious newbie stuff, but the
> > sooner we can rule it out, the sooner we can get to the juicy stuff. :)
> >
> > Are the three APs on the same channel, or three different channels? And
> > are they using the same SSID or different ones? Also, did you make sure
> > your rootenna was correctly polarized to point to the AP?
> >
> >
> >> One other thing which might be the cause is that while I was setting up
> >> the mikrotik/routerboard I activated the 3 cm9 radios not realizing that
> >> they were set for the 5 Ghz band.  They were probably like that for an
> >> hour until I got to that part of the setup.  Perhaps something is wrong
> >> now or are the cm9's forgiving?
> >>
> >
> > That shouldn't be a problem. The CM9 will change over to the new frequency
> > pretty much immediately, and I can't imagine how running the AP on the
> > wrong channel would have damaged the coax run or the antenna. (Not saying
> > it's impossible, just very unlikely IMO.)
> >
> > David Smith
> > MVN.net
> >
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[WISPA] out-sourced billing/collections

[danlist]

As we grow we have more of a need to outsource the billing/collections or hire
somebody inhouse

Is anybody outsourcing the billing?

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RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

[danlist]

I believe that the atheros chipset is
capped at 35Mbps, although users of MT have claimed higher using very fast cpu’s. 


 

I have several atheros/MT/nstream links
(PTP and PTMP) that push 30Mbps…. Pretty impressive throughput, plus adjustable
channels, plus QoS for VoIP and all the other features available make a nice system

 

 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28
AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system
for a new WISP



 

Hi,

Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in
just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?

Travis
Microserv

Paul Hendry wrote: 

All the details are on the Valemount web site http://www.staros.com/starvx/  Cheers, P. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 09:15To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP So... Who makes them?, how much?    

Hi Richard,  This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes thatGeorge was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and evenseems to improve signal quality. Cheers, P. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 08:09To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPGuys;These all sound great.  I was reading just a couple months back about a WISP operator that had a severe problem.  Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,another guy put up his tower.  I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, andsomeone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected byconventional systems.  Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channelspacing or coding.  I really feel that stealth is best here.  These otherguys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do not need. Lee    

Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use.   

They 

are like Timex watches. I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2   

card    

boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz   

channel    

sizes. One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over theplace. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so. Lately I've ran lmr400 into some of my customers attics and installed anomni for their home wifi. We tend to service our customers right to the   

pc    

and it's a lot better router than a linksys. And I have happier customersand I'm happier. The 2 port and the 4 port both have dual ethernet as well. Pretty versatile product. Lonnie has come along way with the new warplatform.  George Travis Johnson wrote:  

That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3 



miles    



(add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to 



10Mbps. 



Hard to beat! And with SmartPolling on the AP, you can get hundreds ofcustomers per sector. TravisMicroserv Rick Smith wrote: 

that's only quantity (large!) pricing isn't it ? Brian Rohrbacher wrote:   

If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8.  Trango has thatcpe for $150.  Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper. Richard Goodin wrote: 

I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begindelivery of bandwidth to customers. My choice for service delivery   









was    









802.11b, but with increased competition from other services nearby(about 5 miles away) I am wondering how to avoid problems.  I have a50' tower, and it is ROHN 45g.  My choice for antennas would be 4 90degree horizontal antennas.  I have looked at bandwidth and shopped   









it    









to death.  My best price is $400 from Lime Light.  And I've built acouple of servers, acquired some switches and a router.  The Router   









is    









a Cisco 1750. My questions: What CPE's and AP's would work best in this environment?  I want tokeep interferance to a minimum, as well as control costs.  Myenvironment includes lots of desert, and single story buildings. Lee    







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RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

[danlist]

I’m using a standard RB532, IP conn-track
off, I am using the pacwireless outdoor enclosures or the MTI pocket antennas…


 

SR5 cards, nstream enabled, framer policy
dynamic size,  limit-3200 is default 4000 works a little better but have
not tested w/ voip

 

Routing is faster than bridging – cpu
is definitely an issue at 30Mbps – I will be getting a outdoor 1ghz+
system to test which is doing 40Mbps and 80Mbps I believe w/ Turbo

 

 

Lots of option, 5mhz, 10mhz, 20mhz or
40mhz channels, possibility of using 2 separate 20mhz links and load-balancing
them for the 60Mbps to 80Mbps

 

 

Plus you could go nstream2 and setup FDX
link w/ either dual pol dish or 2 antenna’s.

 

 

 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:13
PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system
for a new WISP



 

Dan,

We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on another
wireless list.

What processor and setup are you using to get 30Mbps? The fastest I have seen
with routerboard 532's in a p2p config is 20Mbps of TCP traffic passing thru
the RB's. Do you have outdoor enclosures?

Travis
Microserv

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I believe that the atheros chipset is
capped at 35Mbps, although users of MT have claimed higher using very fast
cpu’s.  

 

I have several atheros/MT/nstream links
(PTP and PTMP) that push 30Mbps…. Pretty impressive throughput, plus
adjustable channels, plus QoS for VoIP and all the other features available
make a nice system

 

 



Dan Metcalf
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781-566-2053 ext 6201

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28
AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system
for a new WISP



 

Hi,

Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in
just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?

Travis
Microserv

Paul Hendry wrote: 

All the details are on the Valemount web site http://www.staros.com/starvx/  Cheers, P. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 09:15To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP So... Who makes them?, how much?    

Hi Richard,  This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes thatGeorge was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and evenseems to improve signal quality. Cheers, P. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 08:09To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPGuys;These all sound great.  I was reading just a couple months back about a WISP operator that had a severe problem.  Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,another guy put up his tower.  I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, andsomeone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected byconventional systems.  Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channelspacing or coding.  I really feel that stealth is best here.  These otherguys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do not need. Lee    

Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use.   

They 

are like Timex watches. I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2   

card    

boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz   

channel    

sizes. One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over theplace. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so. Lately I've ran lmr400 into some of my customers attics and installed anomni for their home wifi. We tend to service our customers right to the   

pc    

and it's a lot better router than a linksys. And I have happier customersand I'm happier. The 2 port and the 4 port both have dual ethernet as well. Pretty versatile product. Lonnie has come along way with the new warplatform.  George Travis Johnson wrote:  

That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3 



miles    



(add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to 



10Mbps. 



Hard to beat! And with SmartPolling on the AP, you can get hundreds ofcustomers per sector. TravisMicroserv Rick Smith wrote: 

that's only quantity (large!) pricing isn't it ? Brian Rohrbacher wrote:   

If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8.  Trango has thatcpe for $150.  Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper. Richard Goodin wrote:  

RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

[danlist]

I use a lot of different hardware from
Trango, Karlnet, Proxim, and mikrotik…  polling systems generally perform
better than non-polling – gps sync may scale even better

 

When I first used the trango 900 series I
liked having the  simple design and very easy install unlike karlnet…. But I
have had issues w/ firmware,  all my AP’s randomly reboot as well as su’s. 

 

The RB532/MT setup works (the MMCX on the
SR5 and SR2 is nice, never reboots … great throughput – however  “some assembly
is required” – but it only takes a few minutes to screw the board into the
enclosure, the ECS-RJ-45 from pacwireless makes a nice external rj45 jack and connect
the pigtail  then add antenna

 

Having the 2nd antenna port on
the rb532 could be very beneficial although I generally like my PTP Links to be
on separate hardware than my PTMP, but I do have some 5.8ghz PTP links into a
dual rb532, 2nd port is SR2 for wifi

 

I know that trango is running MT on some
of the “hd mesh” dardware, looks like it could even be the rb532 board (not
sure) – 

 

 



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781-566-2053 ext 6201

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:13
PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system
for a new WISP



 

Dan,

We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on another
wireless list.

What processor and setup are you using to get 30Mbps? The fastest I have seen
with routerboard 532's in a p2p config is 20Mbps of TCP traffic passing thru
the RB's. Do you have outdoor enclosures?

Travis
Microserv

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I believe that the atheros chipset is
capped at 35Mbps, although users of MT have claimed higher using very fast
cpu’s.  

 

I have several atheros/MT/nstream links
(PTP and PTMP) that push 30Mbps…. Pretty impressive throughput, plus adjustable
channels, plus QoS for VoIP and all the other features available make a nice
system

 

 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28
AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system
for a new WISP



 

Hi,

Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in
just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?

Travis
Microserv

Paul Hendry wrote: 

All the details are on the Valemount web site http://www.staros.com/starvx/  Cheers, P. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 09:15To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP So... Who makes them?, how much?    

Hi Richard,  This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes thatGeorge was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and evenseems to improve signal quality. Cheers, P. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 08:09To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPGuys;These all sound great.  I was reading just a couple months back about a WISP operator that had a severe problem.  Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,another guy put up his tower.  I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, andsomeone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected byconventional systems.  Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channelspacing or coding.  I really feel that stealth is best here.  These otherguys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do not need. Lee    

Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use.   

They 

are like Timex watches. I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2   

card    

boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz   

channel    

sizes. One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over theplace. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so. Lately I've ran lmr400 into some of my customers attics and installed anomni for their home wifi. We tend to service our customers right to the   

pc    

and it's a lot better router than a linksys. And I have happier customersand I'm happier. The 2 port and the 4 port both have dual ethernet as well. Pretty versatile product. Lonnie has come along way with the new warplatform.  George Travis Johnson wrote:  

That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3 



miles    



(add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to 



10Mbps. 



Hard to beat! And wit

RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

[danlist]

Lonnie,

Is the WAR/staros platform working PTMP or is it PTP?

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Lonnie Nunweiler
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:07 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
> 
> What we do is measure non compressible data and that becomes the
> absolute max I will let someone ask for.  That means with compressible
> data we do better than they expect.  No harm done, we figure.
> 
> Lonnie
> 
> On 4/12/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > PS.  UDP tests usually need to be run with Dynamic Modulation features
> > disabled.
> >
> > ISPs that delver telco grade services usually need to operate without
> > Dynamic moduilation anyway, to consistently guarantee the link capacity
> > available to tenants, and set at a speed that can deliver reliabilty
> > consistently, in my opinion. I know some orthogon users may differ in
> > opinion..
> >
> > Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Lonnie Nunweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
> >
> >
> > Using the 533 MHz IXP-420 we can get an Atheros to just over 35 mbps
> > of non compressible data and almost 90 mbps of compressible data.
> >
> > Lonnie
> >
> > On 4/11/06, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  Dan,
> > >
> > >  We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on
> > > another wireless list.
> > >
> > >  What processor and setup are you using to get 30Mbps? The fastest I have
> > > seen with routerboard 532's in a p2p config is 20Mbps of TCP traffic
> > > passing
> > > thru the RB's. Do you have outdoor enclosures?
> > >
> > >  Travis
> > >  Microserv
> > >
> > >
> > >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe that the atheros chipset is capped at 35Mbps, although users of
> > > MT
> > > have claimed higher using very fast cpu's.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have several atheros/MT/nstream links (PTP and PTMP) that push 30Mbps….
> > > Pretty impressive throughput, plus adjustable channels, plus QoS for VoIP
> > > and all the other features available make a nice system
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan Metcalf
> > >  Wireless Broadband Systems
> > >  www.wbisp.com
> > >  781-566-2053 ext 6201
> > >
> > > 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783
> > >  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  support: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis
> > > Johnson
> > >  Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28 AM
> > >  To: WISPA General List
> > >  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >  Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards
> > > in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?
> > >
> > >  Travis
> > >  Microserv
> > >
> > >  Paul Hendry wrote: All the details are on the Valemount web site
> > >
> > >  http://www.staros.com/starvx/
> > >
> > >  Cheers,
> > >
> > >  P.
> > >
> > >  -Original Message-
> > >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > >  Behalf Of Richard Goodin
> > >  Sent: 11 April 2006 09:15
> > >  To: wireless@wispa.org
> > >  Subject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
> > >
> > >  So... Who makes them?, how much?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Hi Richard,
> > >
> > >  This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes that
> > >  George was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and
> > > even
> > >  seems to improve signal quality.
> > >
> > >  Cheers,
> > >
> > >  P.
> > >
> > >  -Original Message-
> > >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > >  Behalf Of Richard Goodin
> > >  Sent: 11 April 2006 08:09
> > >  To: wireless@wispa.org
> > >  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Guys;
> > >  These all sound great.  I was reading just a couple months back about a
> > >  WISP
> > >
> > >  operator that had a severe problem.  Just a few yards away, maybe 300
> > > feet,
> > >  another guy put up his tower.  I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, and
> > >  someone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected by
> > >  conventional systems.  Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channel
> > >  spacing or coding.  I really feel that stealth is best here.  These other
> > >  guys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do
> > >  not
> > >
> > >  need.
> > >
> > >  Lee
> > >
> > >
> > >  Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use.
> > >

RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

[danlist]

What is the max throughput in a PTMP setup?

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of John Scrivner
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 1:58 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
> 
> I disagree. I weighed the performance specs and price and I feel I will
> save money with this platform. If you are saying it is more expensive
> than other platforms then you are right but the performance boost and
> wider coverage per cell make up for much of the higher cost.. I disagree
> that "mainstream" WISPs cannot afford this. I know most of you guys can.
> If you have ANY money behind you or ANY borrowing power at all then
> Alvarion has a good option for offering access to a high performance
> PtoMP backhaul or service to higher end clients. This is a good option.
> With that said I am not saying it is the ONLY option but saying this is
> out of reach of "mainstream" WISPs is not a fair statement. Check the
> pricing and see if this can suit your needs before you assume it cannot.
> Scriv
> 
> 
> Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
> 
> >It is not financially feasible for a mainstream WISP, who is attempting to
> >serve all types of internet customers to rely on BA for anything but
> >specialized application.,   It's just too expensive.
> >
> >
> >North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
> >personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
> >sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
> >Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
> >
> >-
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Brad Larson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> >Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 5:53 AM
> >Subject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Mark, Come on.The whole BreezeAccess product family was made and
> >>continues to get upgrades for WISP's. There are well over 1,000 WISP's
> >>
> >>
> >using
> >
> >
> >>our gear in the states alone. You won't find many of them here or on other
> >>WISP threads but it doesn't mean they don't exist. Saying we're "niche"
> >>
> >>
> >and
> >
> >
> >>not "mainstream" and there is some division is a real strech. Brad
> >>
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: "WISPA General List" 
> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:51 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>With that said I still think Alvarion is a far better platform than
> >>>Canopy which is strictly my opinion and has no basis in fact. In the
> >>>past I have been put-off by a perceived arrogance I have seen by some
> >>>Alvarion representatives who have insisted previously that they had the
> >>>"only" viable solution for wireless broadband and seemed as though they
> >>>were claiming almost a "holier than thou" behavior toward anyone stating
> >>>another opinion than their own. I have also seen a terribly biased
> >>>negative attitude toward Alvarion by many WISPs who wanted to drive home
> >>>the "WISP=Cheap" mentality to the point of alienating Alvarion from our
> >>>entire market segment. Both Alvarion and most WISPs have lost a great
> >>>ally in each other and I suspect both sides have suffered from such
> >>>negativity. I am hoping to see this division closed between the typical
> >>>WISP operator and Alvarion.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Until Alvarion makes a product that's viable for more than "niche" market
> >>WISP, the 'division' is simply going to continue to exist.  They have
> >>certain products that WISP's will find useful and valuable, but they don't
> >>make mainstream WISP "last mile" equipment.   I have been expecting to see
> >>them announce something, but so far, I've not seen anything.
> >>
> >>The ball's in thier court.
> >>
> >>
> >>North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
> >>personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
> >>sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
> >>Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
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RE: [WISPA] Anybody played with this gear?

[danlist]

Looks interesting, it appears to have a SA feature as well, and the
documentation mentions cts/rts as its contention mechanism


I just setup a MT/SR9 link on the bench and will be installing on a tower next
week to my office as a test... 

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> -Original Message-
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> Of George
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:32 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody played with this gear?
> 
> I got one of their post cards in the mail as well.
> What were they quoting for ap and cpe pricing?
> 
> George
> 
> John Scrivner wrote:
> > I just called them. They are asking $732.00 each for these units. They
> > are not an integrated antenna and radio as I first thought. They have an
> > external N connector on them.
> >
> > The guy I spoke with said that the FCC certs are pending approval and
> > that the unit is being tested for approval now. I was told that
> > certification from FCC is expected by end of this month.
> >
> > They are NOT using the new Ubiquiti cards as I first thought. They have
> > their own Atheros based design. I am guessing they have built their own
> > mixer /  LO / PA to make these work in 900 as Ubiquiti has done. The
> > price is the same for AP or for CPE.
> >
> > The guy I spoke with on the phone (I did not get his name) told me that
> > these units are shipping now.
> > Scriv
> >
> >
> >
> > Blair Davis wrote:
> >
> >> Has anybody used the Orion 900MHz gear?
> >>
> >> http://www.wirelessinteractive.com/radios/900mhz.html
> >>
> >>
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RE: [WISPA] Stability of a MT + WRAP or Soekris board based AP

[danlist]

> 
> Have been trying to upgrade our AP systems from a pebble based system
> to something newer and stable.  Just finshed a several day trial of a
> newer m0n0wall based distro called pfsense.  Loved advanced FW and
> traffic shaping available.  Configured simple bridge & shaper and put
> it inline with our system.  Great voip response, less delay due to
> priority DNS, etc.  On the 128M wrap board I used it went 2 days+ then
> locked up.  uuuhhg!
> 
> Am considering MT, but would like some feedback about their OS on WRAP
> or Soekris boards.
> 
> 1)  Are the watchdog timers on these embedded boards enabled under MT?
> 2) How stable are these systems under medium to high loads?
> 3) Do you ever see hard lockups?  Brief watchdog burps? if so, how often?
> 4) Anyone used the captive portal feature in MT?  What kind of authentication?
> 5) Can you brige 2 radios in AP mode and assign that bridge to the
> captive portal?
> 6) Are MT tools available for traffic shaping, controlling p2p, etc??
> 


I have setup a MT system running on the RB532, using 2 radio's, I bridged them
and then added that bridge to the captive portal, the authentication is internal
and it my setup, not really being used

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[WISPA] 48port switch w/ 802.11q

[danlist]

Is there a beast for under $500? I know trendnet makes some *stuff* but it is
port based vlaning



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[WISPA] FTP testing

[danlist]

I just setup a 100MB fiber connection, but our connection to the internet seems
limited on the outbound… does anybody have a remote ssh account or interested in
downloading from our FTP on the 100mb fiber?

Thanks



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RE: [WISPA] more CRM

[danlist]

Check out VTIGER it’s a sql based php CRM

 



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From:
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Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:52 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] more CRM



 

I'm not thrilled with ACT
either...but I'm so deep into it that changing would be a major
nightmare.  The newest versions have a sequel database that is a huge
resource hog.  I had to upgrade to a gig of RAM on my laptop to get any
kind of performance out of it.

 

I "upgraded" to the
2005 version and it had so many bugs that they finally said that they were not
going to update it anymore and you had to buy the 2006 version...nice work if
you can get it.  The good news is that the 2006 version seems pretty
stable...albeit with a number of flaky "features".



 



Jeff
Broadwick
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106 



 



 







From:
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Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:45 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] more CRM

 

I looked at installing Dynamics - I'm a
biz partner, so I got all the stuff, and it still didn't work.

 

Not to mention being a total pig.

 

I hate ACT!, but it's still one of the
only things out there.

 







From:
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Subject: [WISPA] more CRM

speaking of ACT and crm
.. anyone use MS Business Contact Manager? Or Dynamics? the latter looks like
overkill. also - any favorite tricks for making calls from the CRM through
softphones or otherwise?



On 5/12/06, Jeff
Broadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 

I've had a couple scares in the last few years, so I back up ACT and
several
other programs at least weekly.  It's not that big of a deal...just
have to
remember to do it.




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[WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?

[danlist]

Since the new wrt54g's how come out, they are crap, any suggestions for a
low-cost soho router?


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RE: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?

[danlist]

Can that router be purchased at bestbuy or something? Or just online?

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> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Since the new wrt54g's how come out, they are crap, any suggestions for a
> > low-cost soho router?
> >
> Spend the extra five bucks and get the WRT54GL (basically the *good*
> WRT54G).
> 
> Yeah, I've got a few WRT54G version 5 units in the office, and no idea
> what to do with 'em. Technically they're not defective, so I can't
> return them; however, they're flaky as all get-out and I wouldn't dare
> give them to customers. Maybe the customers that I really don't like and
> that I'd like to shove off to another ISP, but there's not that many of 'em.
> 
> David Smith
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RE: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?

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Marlon -


My thoughts exactly

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:05 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?
> 
> eeek!  Bottom posting!  I hate having to scroll down to the latest text!
> 
> 
> 
> Top posters rule!
> Marlon
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> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?
> 
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Can that router be purchased at bestbuy or something? Or just online?
> >>
> > Eek, top-posting bad.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm not sure about Best Buy, but most of your good online
> > retailers and wholesalers will carry the WRT54GL. (We sell and install
> > enough routers that we usually buy 'em in 20-packs. Buy in bulk and save
> > save save.)
> >
> > David Smith
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RE: [WISPA] SR9 performance

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Here is the deal w/ the SR9

 

The DSP filter can listen on a 20mhz or
10mhz channel (RX), it can TX at 5mhz, 10mhz or 20mhz

 

 

The newer atheros chipsets can listen on a
5mhz channel, but the chipset doesn’t have as good sensitivity as the 5213
chipset

 

 

 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Rick Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:18
PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] SR9
performance



 

Someone mentioned that in their testing TX
was in a 10 mhz channel and RX was 5 MHZ (or however you set)

 

Either way, it wasn't setting it for the
same width baed on what you pick - i.e. it was 5/10 10/10 and 20/10mhz
respectively.

 

 



 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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112s

Does anyone know how much of the band you
take up as you raise the raw data rate on the SR9s? Ie, if I use 5 Mhz, what is
the data rate, 10Mhz?

 

Chris Cooper

Intelliwave

 

 

I will be trying them as soon as the SR9 cards arrive..
















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RE: [WISPA] Re: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC

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RE: [WISPA] Re: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC

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The FCC id on the SR9 is SWX-SR9

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> Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:58 PM
> To: Jim Snider
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Re: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Metcalf
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:58 PM
> > To: Jim Snider
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org
> > Subject: [WISPA] Re: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC
> >
> > Can anyone email Jim directly with any info on those new 900mhz pc cards
> > that are out there now?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Marlon
> > (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
> > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
> > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
> > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jim Snider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC
> >
> >
> > Thanks for sending this.  One correction is that the LMS folks have
> > rights to 14 MHz, not 12 MHz.  Also, I wasn't able to find information
> > about a 900 MHz Ubiquity product.  Perhaps the company name is spelled
> > slightly differently.
> >
> > --Jim
> >
> > J.H. Snider, Ph.D.
> > Research Director, Wireless Future Program
> > New America Foundation
> > 1630 Connecticut Ave., NW
> > Washington, DC 20009
> > Phone: 202/986-2700
> > Fax: 202/986-3696
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> > My Book Website: speaksoftly.jhsnider.net
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> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
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> > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:41 PM
> > To: Jim Snider
> > Cc: FCC Discussion; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Seaman; Charles
> > Brown; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC
> > Importance: High
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Mike, I didn't know who at Motorola to send this to so would you please
> > forward it on?  Thanks,
> >
> > Jim Snider at the New America foundation has been working with WISPA on
> > the proposal to license about half of the 900 mhz band.  As it's such a
> > busy time for us he's really been heading up the current efforts.
> >
> > In a nutshell, there are folks who want to license 12 mhz of the band.
> > I believe the proposal will eliminate our use of that spectrum
> > completely.
> >
> > The bad part about this is that, according to Jim, the m-lms folks
> > haven't even deployed anything!  We would like to go on the offensive
> > and suggest that since they haven't used the band in the nearly 7 years
> > they've had the right to, they should loose it.
> >
> > Jim needs a couple of things sooner than later.
> >
> > First, how much 900 gear (and customers) is out there now?
> >
> > Second, what's the trend for 900?
> >
> > I told him that with much of the low hanging fruit already handled by
> > 2.4 and 5 gig people are now adding a LOT of 900 to the product mix.
> > And with the new 900 gear (from ubiquity???) that's looking like it'll
> > be cheaper, I expect there to be a LOT of new activity over the next
> > couple of years.
> > What say you guys
> >
> > The deadline to file on the issue is may 30th.  Would you guys please
> > file on this issue.  You may want to work with Jim to make sure that you
> > get the info out there in a way that he can use as well.
> >
> > I've copied the relevant info from an email Jim sent me:
> >
> > P.S. I'm also hoping that WISPA will take an interest in the 06-49 NPRM
> > on unlicensed operation in the 902-928 MHz band.  Comments are due May
> > 30.  As you know, the M-LMS licensees are seeking to significantly
> > expand their rights at the expense of unlicensed service.
> >
> > rm-10403 also has historical filings on this issue.
> >
> > Thanks all!
> > Marlon
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RE: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED

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I have a 30mile link, using the MTI dual
pol’s panels, 23db, signals are -75dbm and 2/3rds of the link
are over water… I have 2 radios on each end

 

 

 



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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:03
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR5s and
36miles - INPUT NEEDED



 



Johnny, I talked to someone who has done extensive testing
with Ubiquiti's cards,  and from that conversation, I would use about 19 -
20 dbm as the number to go by.





 





Apparently, there's some variability as production has gone
on, not all are the same, it seems.





 





But, if you use those numbers, I believe your answers will
be AT LEAST that good or better, no matter what. 





 





Mark





 





 





 





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List' 





Sent: Thursday, May 25,
2006 10:42 AM





Subject: RE: [WISPA] SR5s
and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED





 





Mike - what is the actual output of the
SR5s you are seeing ? Or anyone else have exact figures - Should I be running
my calculations using 21dbm or 26dbm as advertised ?





 





JohnnyO





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36miles - INPUT NEEDED



It may be difficult to provide a mission critical link with
2-footers; but then again I am using CM-9's on a 17-mile link.  I
know this doesn't help you; but I just recently replaced my PacWireless 2ft
dishes with 2ft dual-polarity Radiowaves dishes and gained 4dB on both
ends.  Signal level is around -62dB.





 





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2006 9:24 AM





Subject: [WISPA] SR5s and
36miles - INPUT NEEDED





 



I've
run the path calcs with Radio Mobile and I should see low -70s using the SR5s
in Mikrotik and 2ft dishes at 36miles.

My
question is - how many people out there have links 35+ miles with SR5s / Mikrotik
and 2ft Panels or dishes ? I have a link I need to have up as mission critical
for a company prior to Saturday and all I have on-hand is 2ft PacWireless
Dishes……….

Regards,


JohnnyO


 







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RE: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED

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Title: Message








I am using the MMCX connectors, 6”
pigtail, with 25’ of lmr600

 



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That works out to 22-23db output at the SR5 card
(depending on cable loss from the card to the antenna).

Travis
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I have a 30mile link, using the MTI dual
pol’s panels, 23db, signals are -75dbm and 2/3rds of the link are
over water… I have 2 radios on each end

 

 

 



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On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:03
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR5s and
36miles - INPUT NEEDED



 



Johnny, I talked to someone who has done extensive
testing with Ubiquiti's cards,  and from that conversation, I would use
about 19 - 20 dbm as the number to go by.





 





Apparently, there's some variability as production
has gone on, not all are the same, it seems.





 





But, if you use those numbers, I believe your answers
will be AT LEAST that good or better, no matter what. 





 





Mark





 





 





 





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To: 'WISPA General
List' 





Sent: Thursday,
May 25, 2006 10:42 AM





Subject: RE: [WISPA]
SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED





 





Mike - what is the actual output of the
SR5s you are seeing ? Or anyone else have exact figures - Should I be running
my calculations using 21dbm or 26dbm as advertised ?





 





JohnnyO





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36miles - INPUT NEEDED



It may be difficult to provide a mission critical
link with 2-footers; but then again I am using CM-9's on a 17-mile
link.  I know this doesn't help you; but I just recently replaced my
PacWireless 2ft dishes with 2ft dual-polarity Radiowaves dishes and gained 4dB
on both ends.  Signal level is around -62dB.





 





Mike







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From: JohnnyO






To: WISPA General List






Sent: Thursday,
May 25, 2006 9:24 AM





Subject: [WISPA]
SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED





 



I've run the path
calcs with Radio Mobile and I should see low -70s using the SR5s in Mikrotik
and 2ft dishes at 36miles.

My question is - how many people out there have links 35+
miles with SR5s / Mikrotik and 2ft Panels or dishes ? I have a link I need to
have up as mission critical for a company prior to Saturday and all I have
on-hand is 2ft PacWireless Dishes……….

Regards, 

JohnnyO 

 







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RE: [WISPA] FM Remote Broadcast over Wireless (RBOW ?)

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You could just convert to an IP stream and then convert back

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> 
> I've been asked if an FM broadcast station can broadcast from a "remote"
> (non-studio) location by putting the audio over an existing license-free
> wireless network to connect back to the main studio. On the surface of
> it, I don't see why this wouldn't work as long as:
> 
> 1. The wireless network is reliable, and
> 2. The remote FM audio stream can be converted to a half-duplex stream
> of Ethernet packets.
> 
> Does anyone know of someone who has done this successfully and, if so,
> what equipment was used on both the audio and RF networks?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> jack
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[WISPA] merchant accounts/credit cards

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Can anybody suggest any good vendors for a merchant account and card processing
terminal?

Thanks


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RE: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

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What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have a
bunch of them to get 360* coverage

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> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:32 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
> 
> I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3
> 
> George
> 
> 
> N White wrote:
> > What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what
> > kind of APs & Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at
> > moving all new customers to 5Ghz.
> >
> > -Nick
> >
> > George Rogato wrote:
> >
> >> Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked
> >> out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?
> >>
> >> They are working great for me and they are cheap.
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >> Tom DeReggi wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was thinking
> >>> Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or recommending
> >>> this idea)
> >>>
> >>> An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock
> >>> radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and
> >>> jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than
> >>> both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more
> >>> additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high
> >>> end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable
> >>> to OFDM, and easy to mount.  But most importantly, it would only be
> >>> one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be
> >>> easier to make quantity orders.
> >>>
> >>> In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges)
> >>> Atlas Fox $149.
> >>> Pigtail Jumpers: $15  Total: $409.
> >>>
> >>> It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not
> >>> having to muck with the dish.  So why is Trango not doing this yet?
> >>>
> >>> Tom DeReggi
> >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> 
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RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

[danlist]

I don't think there is much out there unfortunately


But YOU CAN BUY FROM MIKROTIK direct, prebuilt units

www.mikrotik.com

click on prices/products


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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:54 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
> 
> I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build the
> devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an off-the-shelf
> product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it being pre-built,
> software installed, and support available.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> Sam Tetherow wrote:
> 
> > If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so
> > you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and
> > pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software
> > end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the
> > initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz
> > pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did
> > order them, their quality was questionable.
> >
> > I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do the
> > same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never
> > ordered them.
> >
> >Sam Tetherow
> >Sandhills Wireless
> >
> > Matt Liotta wrote:
> >
> >> I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the
> >> box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the
> >> next 30 days.
> >>
> >> -Matt
> >>
> >> Sam Tetherow wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't
> >>> messed with the VLAN stuff.
> >>> I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on
> >>> either a WRAP or WAR board would work
> >>> as well.
> >>>
> >>>Sam Tetherow
> >>>Sandhills Wireless
> >>>
> >>> Matt Liotta wrote:
> >>>
>  I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
> 
>  * Can backhaul at >11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
>  * Can support VLANs
>  * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
>  * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
>  * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different
>  VLAN than the Ethernet port
>  * Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
> 
>  Any ideas?
> 
>  -Matt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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RE: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

[danlist]

Short pigtail  - less signal loss

Plus if you add in the RJ-45-ECS (Ethernet connector system) you get a nice easy
to swap unit



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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of George Rogato
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:06 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
> 
> The Pac Wireless 5 gig rootennas are only 19db gain.
> 
> What I like best about all of the antenna enclosures is the lack f
> cabling, just a short pigtail from the radio card to the antenna port.
> 
> Also with star you can adjust the power of the card. Default power is
> what we use mostly. No need to increase the power under most circumstance.
> 
> 
> 
> George
> 
> 
> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
> > Remember, at 5.3 gig you are only allowed 1WATT eirp.  That's 30 dB.  If
> > you have a 24dB antenna the radio output has to be dropped down to 6dB.
> >
> > But, that's part of why I love 5.3!  Forces people to use good antennas
> > and low power radios instead of high power radios with junk antennas!
> > hehehehe
> >
> > Marlon
> > (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
> > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
> > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
> > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
> >
> >
> >> I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >>
> >> N White wrote:
> >>> What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And
> >>> what kind of APs & Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're
> >>> looking at moving all new customers to 5Ghz.
> >>>
> >>> -Nick
> >>>
> >>> George Rogato wrote:
> >>>
>  Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you
>  checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?
> 
>  They are working great for me and they are cheap.
> 
>  George
> 
>  Tom DeReggi wrote:
> 
> > I was thinking
> > Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or
> > recommending this idea)
> >  An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/
> > stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna
> > and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive
> > than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more
> > additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a
> > high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise,
> > upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount.  But most importantly, it
> > would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs,
> > allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders.
> >  In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import
> > charges)
> > Atlas Fox $149.
> > Pigtail Jumpers: $15  Total: $409.
> >  It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by
> > not having to muck with the dish.  So why is Trango not doing this
> > yet?
> >  Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> 
> >>
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> >>
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RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

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We are running VoIP over a Mikrotik/NSTREAM 5Ghz OFDM solution.  Actual TCP
throughput is about 25Mbps, we have had over 12 VoIP across the PTMP and a PTP
BH to our NOC were the VoIP service is located while providing INTERNET across.

This is working with great success and Matt Liotta is providing us the internet
link via a 100Mbps fiber.

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:25 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K
> 
> Never tried to put that many on a tower, but then again we don't use too
> many towers. We've had 15 or so on a single roof before, but for the
> most part we never really put more than 5 radios on the same structure.
> We have over 100 roofs under contract, so we don't really need to load
> up any single roof with too many radios.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> Travis Johnson wrote:
> 
> > Matt,
> >
> > How do you fit more than 10-12 of those type of dedicated links on a
> > single tower?
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > Matt Liotta wrote:
> >
> >> We rarely use multi-point systems for customers and when we do they
> >> are either small businesses with very little voice and data needs or
> >> they are just data customers. All of our customers with any
> >> significant amount of voice are running on dedicated radios. I would
> >> say our average customer buys 12 lines of voice and delivering that
> >> over a Canopy backhaul works just fine.
> >>
> >> -Matt
> >>
> >> Patrick Leary wrote:
> >>
> >>> So you agree then that being able to do VoIP is key. I'd like to
> >>> hear more
> >>> about your experiences with VoIP. Is your solution actually doing it
> >>> well or
> >>> is that your idea of doing VoIP well is 8 only concurrent calls per
> >>> sector
> >>> so long as the quality is decent for those few calls? We have talked
> >>> to many
> >>> very users of other common 5GHz brands these past few week and we
> >>> have been
> >>> consistently told that performance is just dandy until you bump up
> >>> against 8
> >>> calls. That is a less than 50 call per cell limit, which does not
> >>> seem like
> >>> enough to justify the investments needed on the NOC end for the
> >>> softswitch.
> >>> How do you define good VoIP performance Matt?
> >>>
> >>> Patrick Leary
> >>> AVP Marketing
> >>> Alvarion, Inc.
> >>> o: 650.314.2628
> >>> c: 760.580.0080
> >>> Vonage: 650.641.1243
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16,
> >>> 2006 6:47 AM
> >>> To: WISPA General List
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K
> >>>
> >>> Patrick Leary wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  Matt, to further your comments that you see WISPs providing layer 2
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> transort
> >>>
> >>>
>  for carriers.
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We have multiple CLECs and non-CLECs buying layer 2 transport from
> >>> us now. All are used to buy alternative access from fiber providers
> >>> and therefore fixed wireless was a naturally next step. Further,
> >>> almost all indicated they would have done it sooner, but the fixed
> >>> wireless companies they approached weren't willing to offer them
> >>> layer 2 transport.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  How about VoIP? How many of you consider VoIP to be an
>  important part of your service future as a WISP? If so, how do you
>  plan to
>  support since it cannot be done decently with the other popular 5GHz
>  solutions. That's not my opinion so much as the opinion of many larger
>  Trango and Motorola WISPs I have been talking to lately.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We are doing a significant amount of VoIP now. We have VoIP
> >>> customers running on top of both Trango and Canopy radios. Canopy is
> >>> a significantly better solution for VoIP since we can properly
> >>> prioritize voice with Canopy, while we cannot with Trango. We also
> >>> wholesale VoIP to other operators and help them --if they require
> >>> it-- with getting their network ready to support VoIP.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  If a key goal of WISPs is growing ARPU, what are WISPs plans for
>  doing that
>  with whatever your current technology permits?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I believe VoIP is the number one way to grow ARPU and the fact that
> >>> we bundle VoIP is why I believe we have one of the highest ARPUs in
> >>> the industry.
> >>>
> >>> -Matt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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[WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

[danlist]

I am wondering if there are any suggestions for an ATA - SIP Adapter with 1 or 2
POTS jacks.

We are running asterisk, so if you have experience with an ATA that works well
with asterisk that would be great

Thanks


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RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

[danlist]

> 
> While they do an ok job w/ wireless, IMO, their strength is more the
> convenience coming from the integration of multiple packages and its
> flexibility rather than the performance of any single feature
> 
> If you're looking at purely a "wireless" solution (in this "do-it-yourself"
> genre) -- you need to include Star-OS / Ikarus in your evaluation (but then,
> documentation gets a bit sparse there...)
> 
> -Charles


Mikrotik provides an advanced wireless solution that Star-Os /Ikarus DO NOT, in
several different ways, 1st, they provide a polling solution for PTMP (nstream)
and they also provide an FDX solution for PTP using Nstream2, this is all with
the same hardware/radio's.  2nd, using the additional features of the L3, you
can load balance across 2 radio's for a faster HDX solution ( maybe this could
be done w/ star-os/ikarus, not sure)

And there is more you can do by combining those 2 solutions.

Dan


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RE: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

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Mac

Thanks! Exactly what I needed! How is it going down there? 

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> Of Mac Dearman
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> Subject: RE: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters
> 
> Dan,
> 
>   We have bought a lot of stuff from these folks and these adapters are
> really highly recommended and have worked well.
> 
> http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=321
> 
> Mac Dearman
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> I am wondering if there are any suggestions for an ATA - SIP Adapter with 1
> or 2
> POTS jacks.
> 
> We are running asterisk, so if you have experience with an ATA that works
> well
> with asterisk that would be great
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Dan Metcalf
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> www.wbisp.com
> 781-566-2053 ext 6201
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[WISPA] DUAL BAND antennas

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Are there any dual band antennas for 900mhz and 5ghz?

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[WISPA] needed -karlnet-isp-base license

[danlist]

I had a tower get by lightning yesterday and I am in desperate need of a
karlnet-isp-base-license for kn105 or ap1000


I will be at the tower site all day, so you can call my office # below if I
don't respond to your email

thanks

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RE: [WISPA] Automating Mikrotik Backups

[danlist]

Has anybody taken this a step further and
set up some type of automated “ftp” or something more secure to
download new updates?

 



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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:51
PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Automating
Mikrotik Backups



 

/system backup save name=MS1; 
/tool e-mail send to="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" subject=([/system
identity get name] . "Backup") server=10.10.10.10 file=MS1.backup 

Put these in a script and schedule the script as often as you want.  I
have all my routers email me on Thursday night.  10.10.10.10 needs to be
your mail server address. 

Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
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Sent: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:28:52 -0400 
Subject: [WISPA] Automating Mikrotik Backups 

> Does Mikrotik have a method of backing up its settings 
> like is done with the StarOS StarUtil commands? If so, 
> what are the commands? I'm wanting to make sure we 
> automate this much needed task with http://www.ISPBuddy.com 
> which will allow automated nightly backups to our remote 
> storage facility. 
> 
> Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder 
> KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky 
> "Your Hometown Broadband Provider" 
> http://www.KyWiFi.com

> Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 
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RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[danlist]

Paul,

Was this turbo mode or standard?

Thanks

Dan


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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Paul Hendry
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:11 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
> 
> UPDATE
> 
> Just tested with 2 P4's at each end of a StarVX link running on the 2 port
> WAR (266Mhz CPU). Bi-direction test using TCP, random data (uncompressible)
> shows 35-36mbps in both directions (aggregate throughput of 70-72mbps).
> These figures do not take into account TCP acknowledgements so the real
> throughput is a little higher. The StarVX's report throughput of around
> 37-39mbps in both rx and tx.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> P.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Paul Hendry
> Sent: 20 October 2005 09:32
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> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
> 
> The first tests I did where with a routed topology through 2 StarVX routers
> but these most recent tests is with all interfaces bridged and the StarVX
> client as a wireless client bridge which I believe is based on WDS.
> 
> If your asymmetric performance with the RB532's is between 12 and 18mbps I
> wouldn't say your seeing similar performance as I am seeing 40mbps and
> 27.7mbps when transmitting and receiving at the same time using random
> (uncompressible) tcp based data.
> 
> The tests are based on default packet sizes however, we run M3P (ip packing)
> between the Mikrotiks and when testing with small packets (50-100byte) I see
> the same results. The only problem with M3P is that it adds 15ms of delay in
> each direction under low loads. This means you see pings with a round trip
> time of +30ms. This does however improve when more and more traffic is
> passed over the link as M3P either waits for 1500bytes of traffic or 15ms to
> expire (which ever comes first).
> 
> The difference in upload and download speed I have so far put down to one
> system being a 2.4GHz CPU and the other being a 533MHz CPU. Hopefully I can
> test with 2 P4's later today.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> P.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of David E. Smith
> Sent: 20 October 2005 04:34
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
> 
> Paul Hendry wrote:
> > Managed to scavenge a P4 system together for testing purposes.
> 
> Hey, as long as you're doubling as my personal IT lab... :)
> 
> My tests so far have just been traditional AP/client mode, and I'm seeing
> the same sort of asymmetrical performance you are. With a pair of RB532s,
> depending on the "random-data" and packet size settings, I'm floating
> between 12 and 18Mbps. Thing is, I always get better performance with
> traffic going client-to-AP than AP-to-client.
> 
> Have you, or will you, test with WDS mode? If you've already done so, are
> you getting better or worse performance that way? (I may or may not be
> able to try that particular setup before I leave for vacation on Friday.
> Probably not, because I've not worked with RouterOS' wireless stuff before
> and I may not be able to figure out how to set it up. :)
> 
> Also, are you using the default packet sizes or have you been playing with
> those too? At least in wired network testing I've done before, the real
> worst-case scenario involves using the smallest packets you can get away
> with (because of the extra overhead in packet creation).
> 
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype 902-928MHzMini-PCICard

[danlist]

This is awesome, I knew this was coming, ideally once it works with MT with
adjustable channel width (ie: 5mhz or 10mhz) - you should be able to push some
serious throughput on that 5mhz channel compared to the existing Trango & Canopy
900mhz systems

Hopefully the pricing on the radio is the same as the sr2/sr5


Dan


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> Of Rick Smith
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:25 PM
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> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype 902-928MHzMini-
> PCICard
> 
> 
> Omfg.  That's awesome.
> 
> Since it's standard Atheros, wonder what the chances of getting it integrated
> into Mikrotik quickly are ?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype 902-928 MHzMini-
> PCICard
> 
> Brian
> 
> Just and FYI Demarc has know about this for some time and as soon as its ready
> to go we will have CPE and base units that will support it.  The CPE will come
> with 10dBi or 12dBi options as well as the 250mW or 1 Watt output options.
> While not locked down we should be able to do 4, 2 or 1 OFDM non overlapping
> channels which can be used for either CPE or backhaul designs. The units will
> also have polling to get the most out of the 900Mhz band. Also pricing is not
> set but we are sure it will be less then anything on the market today with
> more options, we will have to wait and see :)
> 
> Sincerely, Tony Morella
> Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
> Office: 207-244-9068 Fax: 207-433-1008
> http://www.demarctech.com
> 
> 
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> 
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14626823
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RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard

[danlist]

Noise is always a concern - what type of signal levels do you need w/canopy w/ a
60db noise floor?

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> Of JohnnyO
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:55 PM
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> 
> Hate to say it Dan, BUT - Trango and Atheros get's it's ass kicked by
> Canopy - Canopy is the ONLY 900mhz Platform that will work for us in a
> -55 to -60 noise floor situation - so hopefully - you live In the
> perfect world and can run "noise/interference" free :)
> 
> JohnnyO
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of danlist
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:51 PM
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> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals
> Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard
> 
> 
> This is awesome, I knew this was coming, ideally once it works with MT
> with adjustable channel width (ie: 5mhz or 10mhz) - you should be able
> to push some serious throughput on that 5mhz channel compared to the
> existing Trango & Canopy 900mhz systems
> 
> Hopefully the pricing on the radio is the same as the sr2/sr5
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Rick Smith
> > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:25 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype
> > 902-928MHzMini- PCICard
> >
> >
> > Omfg.  That's awesome.
> >
> > Since it's standard Atheros, wonder what the chances of getting it
> > integrated into Mikrotik quickly are ?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:37 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype 902-928
> > MHzMini- PCICard
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Just and FYI Demarc has know about this for some time and as soon as
> > its ready to go we will have CPE and base units that will support it.
> 
> > The CPE will come with 10dBi or 12dBi options as well as the 250mW or
> > 1 Watt output options. While not locked down we should be able to do
> > 4, 2 or 1 OFDM non overlapping channels which can be used for either
> > CPE or backhaul designs. The units will also have polling to get the
> > most out of the 900Mhz band. Also pricing is not set but we are sure
> > it will be less then anything on the market today with more options,
> > we will have to wait and see :)
> >
> > Sincerely, Tony Morella
> > Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
> > Office: 207-244-9068 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com
> >
> >
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> > Mini-PCICard
> >
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RE: [WISPA] Will this bother WISPs?

[danlist]

What test site?

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> Of George
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> 
> George wrote:
> >
> > Service is #1 after a person gets on to broadband.
> >
> > Service is our edge.
> >
> > George
> 
> I just left a new installs house.
> While there his speed test results were saying 3,400 to 4,300k.
> I told the guy, "look it's smokin, nobody goes this fast"
> He said, yeah man, thats why I got yours, "everyone knows your the fastest".
> 
> So speed is a great advertizer as well.
> 
> Speed # 2.
> 
> 
> George
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[WISPA] service in gulfport

[danlist]

Does anybody provide service in Gulfport?

Thanks

Dan

> 1 Factory Shops Blvd
> Suite #450
> Gulfport, Mississippi 39503

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[WISPA] self service linux ?

[danlist]

Any good recommendations of a linux system that would allow users to provision
email/dns/web/etc?

Thanks

Dan


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RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments

[danlist]

SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code

Dan


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> Of Paul Hendry
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:27 PM
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> Subject: RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
> 
> I use to do this but kept falling of the ladder as the same string was
> attached to both my finger and toe ;)
> 
> Grab a spare PC and build a standard FreeBSD box then stick SugarCRM on it
> (it's not that hard to do as I've managed it ;). Once it's set-up you can
> admin it from Windows via the HTML login. Good things about Sugar are that
> it's free, you can put all your customer details in it, change progress
> statuses, email notifications, do salesy things like building a pipeline of
> potential customer revenue, trouble tickets, shared calendars, documentation
> repository, plus loads of other features I haven't had time to play with.
> It's good for when you get other staff so you can keep a track on what they
> are doing.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Cliff
> Sent: 15 November 2005 20:53
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> 
> I tie strings to my fingers and toes...
> 
> Cliff - Work
> 985-879-3219
> www.cssla.com
> www.triparish.net
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> We have a full time person that handles customer calls to schedule
> appointments and service calls.
> 
> JohnnyO
> 
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> 
> How do ya'll do it?  I used to remember everything, but I am forgetting
> things lately.  Maybe it's old age (i did just turn 22) or maybe the
> work volume has increased past my memory's capacity.  Either way I need
> a solution.  Do I go with a program on the laptop?  Or some kind of
> handheld device.  I don't currently own a handheld, and would be willing
> 
> to purchase.  What seems to be most efficient for you all?
> 
> Brian
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RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments

[danlist]

SugarCRM charges for the outlook plug, while vtiger gives it away, plus they
have a toolbar for firefox

I have both systems up and running vtiger is what we have chosen to use

If anybody needs to use, I can set you up on your "database" for either crm
program (vtiger or sugarcrm) - $10 per user

Dan


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> Of Peter R.
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:03 PM
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> 
> danlist wrote:
> 
> >SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >
> SugarCRM is the basis for SalesForce.com.
> SugarCRM can be purchased in a hosted per user fashion that you can
> access anywhere.
> 
> Outlook/PDA works.
> 
> Mozilla has a calendar function. (Project Sunbird as a stand-alone).
> 
> There is a lot of groupware / collaboration ware, but as a one-man XP
> shop, I have a wild idea.
> Use a Virtual Assitant (www.assistu.com).
> A VA can take/make your appointments (log them on Yahoo calendar), take
> your calls, do your books, etc.
> Better than hiring a full-time person.
> 
> Drop me a note if you want more info.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter
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RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments

[danlist]

Perl or php I think

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> Of Tom DeReggi
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> What are SugarCRM and Vtiger written in?
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
> 
> 
> > danlist wrote:
> >
> >>SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code
> >>
> >>Dan
> >>
> > SugarCRM is the basis for SalesForce.com.
> > SugarCRM can be purchased in a hosted per user fashion that you can access
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Outlook/PDA works.
> >
> > Mozilla has a calendar function. (Project Sunbird as a stand-alone).
> >
> > There is a lot of groupware / collaboration ware, but as a one-man XP
> > shop, I have a wild idea.
> > Use a Virtual Assitant (www.assistu.com).
> > A VA can take/make your appointments (log them on Yahoo calendar), take
> > your calls, do your books, etc.
> > Better than hiring a full-time person.
> >
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RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments

[danlist]

Tom,

Good point and its true that these products are generic but with vtiger (and I
assume sugarcrm) you link just about any event/task/project to any type of
lead/account

Dan


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:12 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
> 
> These all look cool for Open source of doing what Goldmine or Outlook
> already do, jsut with a few more features. But the problem with these is
> they are not industry specific and are really individual centered.
> 
> Managing installtion and sales leads in the WISP industry is much different.
> Each sales lead is a project in itself. (close deal, do pre-qual survey, do
> site cisit survey, get antenna approval from landlord, start install,
> progress on install, order product for install, etc). All leads should come
> to a central queue for all to view and follow up on, and then able to be
> assigned, but still viewed globally. But onced assigned, it should not be
> bulked in with tasks that are truly personal that shouldn't be viewed from
> others.  I believe there are more categories than jsut task, appointment,
> project, etc.   In addition should add, tech support request, installation
> schedule, onsite service schedule, without combining them to the generic
> categories of tasks and appointments.  Where as a true sales appointment
> would ahve different tracking and scheduling needs than an installtion
> appointment, etc.  Thats the problem with these generic type of systems.
> I'd like to see something customized specifically for the processes of a
> WISP.
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
> 
> 
> > danlist wrote:
> >
> >>SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code
> >>
> >>Dan
> >>
> > SugarCRM is the basis for SalesForce.com.
> > SugarCRM can be purchased in a hosted per user fashion that you can access
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Outlook/PDA works.
> >
> > Mozilla has a calendar function. (Project Sunbird as a stand-alone).
> >
> > There is a lot of groupware / collaboration ware, but as a one-man XP
> > shop, I have a wild idea.
> > Use a Virtual Assitant (www.assistu.com).
> > A VA can take/make your appointments (log them on Yahoo calendar), take
> > your calls, do your books, etc.
> > Better than hiring a full-time person.
> >
> > Drop me a note if you want more info.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter
> > RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
> > We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate
> > 813.963.5884
> > http://4isps.com
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RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell

[danlist]

It is a bad situation all around if you can't support your network as units fail
and you can't replace them


One of the benefits of the  WRAP setup is that you could flash the CF card with
new software in the future and not loose your investment

Dan


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> Of Blair Davis
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 1:33 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
> 
> I feel your pain as well.  Same deal here.
> 
> WinnCom is still listing the TurboCell licenses for sale.  I will
> confirm availability as soon as my sales guy gets back from lunch.
> 
> Rick's WRAP with CF will work as well.  However, if the TurboCell
> licenses are no longer available, I wonder if Rick will be able to
> continue to produce them?
> 
> Other possibilities are in the works.
> 
> Terrorbeam/YDI/Proxim/Karlnet or whoever they are this week annoyed a
> lot of people with this mishandling of the TurboCell software and
> hardware.  Not to mention the callous way they treated the folks at the
> Karlnet offices in Ohio.
> 
> Personally, while I will continue to buy TurboCell licenses as long as
> they are available, I will never consider any new
> Terrorbeam/YDI/Proxim/Karlnet products.
> 
> We are looking toward Netstream on WRAP or RouterBoard as our long term
> solution.  Others have their own choices for software/hardware.
> 
> Planning on doing each conversion of a tower and client equipment over a
> weekend, then reclaiming to old TurboCell equipment for other locations
> on other towers
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Nash wrote:
> 
> > Hello to the list...
> >
> > My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300
> > customers in Oregon.
> >
> > For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched
> > to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell.  Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim
> > series of mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from
> > all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE.
> >
> > We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern
> > Willamette Valley).  We're using Trango backhauls...I started out
> > using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth.
> > I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I
> > think it was 2002).  I remain happy about that decision.
> >
> > We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we
> > went to a routed design.
> >
> > OK, so...there it is.  For those of you who know what's going on with
> > Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as
> > they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software.  So I
> > will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around
> > because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices.  That's
> > the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently?  I've also
> > asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b
> > and they are saying 'no'.
> >
> > It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite.
> >
> > Does anyone feel my pain?  Any way around these issues aside from
> > replacing CPE?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > Network Engineer
> > UnwiredOnline.Net
> > 325 Holly Street
> > Junction City, OR 97448
> > http://www.uwol.net
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> > 541-998-5599 fax
> >
> >
> 
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RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?

[danlist]

Nstream2 on P4 should get you close to about 50Mbps FDX

> -Original Message-
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> Of John Scrivner
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
> 
> Have you actually seen these speeds? I have never seen a Star OS
> installation do more than about 17 meg aggregate. If you have seen this
> then by all means please share the details of the actual hardware used
> and configuration if you do not mind.
> Thank you,
> Scriv
> 
> 
> noc.kl.terranova.net wrote:
> 
> > VIA with StarOS on 5.2/5.3 will get 100Mb. WAR board might do same. - cw
> >
> > John Scrivner wrote:
> >
> >> I need some feedback from the collective.  I am looking for a
> >> backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized
> >> at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at
> >> least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this
> >> solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does
> >> a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am
> >> considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main
> >> connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends
> >> the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going
> >> all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback.
> >> Scriv
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[WISPA] dual band

[danlist]

I'm looking for a dual band  high gain panel antenna (ie: 2.4ghz and 5ghz 19db+)
- does such a beast exist?

Thanks

Dan


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[WISPA] verizon fios pricing

[danlist]

Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and
reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps
for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat,
currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer

Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 
Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps$44.95 - $49.95 
Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps$179.95 - $199.95


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RE: [WISPA] dual band

[danlist]

Looks like I may have to use a dual POL dish (pacwireless makes on) basically
I'm looking for redundancy, ie: using 2 rb532 so if 1 fails the other will still
work, but only want 1 antenna as pricing is costly on this tower

Dan


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> Subject: RE: [WISPA] dual band
> 
> 
> They're not really "dual" they're "either/or".
> 
> One panel to do BOTH would be awesome, but for now nothing of the sort exists,
> save for the dual-pol dishes for use with orthogon,
> etc...
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:30 PM
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> 
> highest gain i've seen on dual-band is the superpass ones.
> 
> http://www.superpass.com/DUAL-GJ.html
> 
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> 
> robert maier wrote:
> 
> > I've only heard of dual polorized, but could be wrong,  we order those
> > from Maxrad
> >
> > */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking for a dual band high gain panel antenna (ie: 2.4ghz
> > and 5ghz 19db+)
> > - does such a beast exist?
> >
> > Thanks
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RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)

[danlist]

I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active downloading
content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on my system but allow some
bursts) other traffic is not limited

But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get 15Mbps from
verizon for $50 and only XX from  you


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> Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
> 
> Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway?  If you keep control over
> p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway?  Anyone got numbers?
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and
> >reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the
> 15Mbps
> >for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat,
> >currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer
> >
> >Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps  $34.95 - $39.95
> >Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95
> >Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps $179.95 - $199.95
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing

[danlist]

Ah but what about the new customer  who is comparing FIOS to what I offer? FIOS
will have tv and voip ( we do voip now but no tv )

Times are a changing and verizon is putting flyers on everything around boston,
ma to promote FIOS, like pizza box's, dry cleaning slips etc

Dan


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> Of Bob Moldashel
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> 
> It is reasons like this that I am a firm believer in contracts!
> 
> -B-
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and
> >reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the
> 15Mbps
> >for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat,
> >currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer
> >
> >Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps  $34.95 - $39.95
> >Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95
> >Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps $179.95 - $199.95
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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RE: [WISPA] dual band

[danlist]

Currently I am running separate antennas/radio's/systems on my backhauls (old
karlnet gear) and the new MT/rb532/nstream stuff but I'm looking to find the
best solution :-)

How often do the feedhorns die?

> -Original Message-
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> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Looks like I may have to use a dual POL dish (pacwireless makes on) basically
> >I'm looking for redundancy, ie: using 2 rb532 so if 1 fails the other will
> still
> >work, but only want 1 antenna as pricing is costly on this tower
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >
> >
> That's a smart move.  And you can buy a spare feedhorn from PacWireless
> in case one dies on ya.
> 
> We do this on all our WISP main backhauls.  They are Gabriel of
> Radiowaves instead.
> 
> -B-
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RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)

[danlist]

I can get a 100Mbps or 200Mbps feed today at very good pricing (what I would pay
for a T1 5 years ago :-)) but the problem I see it is delivering 15+Mbps in a
PtMP setup



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> Of Rick Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:28 PM
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> Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
> 
> 
> And that's why having them sealed into a contract like Bob believes in
> protects you :)
> 
> Won't be long before YOU can get that feed (maybe from another ISP) as well
> and start feeding it into wireless shtuff
> 
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> Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:21 PM
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> Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
> 
> I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active downloading
> content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on
> my system but allow some
> bursts) other traffic is not limited
> 
> But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get 15Mbps from
> verizon for $50 and only XX from  you
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they
> > really need)
> >
> > Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway?  If you keep control over
> > p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway?  Anyone got numbers?
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > >Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting
> > >close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this
> > >pricing - the
> > 15Mbps
> > >for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough
> > >to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps
> > >to the customer
> > >
> > >Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps$34.95 - $39.95
> > >Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps   $44.95 - $49.95
> > >Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps   $179.95 - $199.95
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
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RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing

[danlist]

No, we don't use WIFI, it is strictly a fixed wireless network at this point

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of John Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:37 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing
> 
> Is your wireless network set up to allow roaming? You can't roam with
> fiber
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Ah but what about the new customer  who is comparing FIOS to what I offer?
> FIOS
> >will have tv and voip ( we do voip now but no tv )
> >
> >Times are a changing and verizon is putting flyers on everything around
> boston,
> >ma to promote FIOS, like pizza box's, dry cleaning slips etc
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> >>Of Bob Moldashel
> >>Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM
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> >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing
> >>
> >>It is reasons like this that I am a firm believer in contracts!
> >>
> >>-B-
> >>
> >>
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close
> and
> >>>reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>15Mbps
> >>
> >>
> >>>for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to
> beat,
> >>>currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer
> >>>
> >>>Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps$34.95 - $39.95
> >>>Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps   $44.95 - $49.95
> >>>Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps   $179.95 - $199.95
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections

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Can mikrotik switch between per packet or per session load balancing?

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> Of Paul Hendry
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:23 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
> 
> Running a EoIP tunnel across both the T1 and your link you should be able to
> load-balance across both links for incoming and outgoing traffic by bonding
> both EoIP interfaces at the customer site and your Mikrotik box. I have done
> this in the past but it has been across a couple of wireless links with
> similar round trip delays. If you use per-packet load balancing there may be
> issues with packets arriving out of order but if you do it per session it
> should work fine. With per session load balancing you won't get an aggregate
> throughput of both links with a single stream but should use both links if
> multiple streams are flowing.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> P.
> 
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> Subject: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
> 
> A little feedback from the collective is appreciated here. I have a high
> school who has bought a connection from me but is also stuck with an old
> T1 circuit under contract for the next 3 years. They want both
> connections to be used all the time and for all traffic to automatically
> go through the working connection if one fails. Basically they want load
> balancing and failover. All addresses are nat'd private space IPs.  I
> would think I should be able to do this with Mikrotik and/or Star OS but
> I do not know how. Your thoughts  and or other suggestions are highly
> appreciated. If only failover or only load balance is possible then
> suggestions on that are welcome also. By the way, the T1 provider is not
> me and will likely not work with me unfortunately. We have to leave
> their network settings intact.
> Scriv
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RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections

[danlist]

I think it depends on the links involved and the remote termination, I currently
run per packet round robin load balance across 3 T1's, no issue's with VoIP or
VPN - of course the remote ends points are the same devices

> -Original Message-
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> Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
> 
> It important to consider the possibilties of packets arriving out of order.
> Some VPN protocols (deployed by corporate subscribers), will discard the
> packets when they arrive out of order, and is almost as bad as packet loss.
> And VOIP quality can be degrated as well. Per session is preferred.
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Hendry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:22 PM
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
> 
> 
> > Running a EoIP tunnel across both the T1 and your link you should be able
> > to
> > load-balance across both links for incoming and outgoing traffic by
> > bonding
> > both EoIP interfaces at the customer site and your Mikrotik box. I have
> > done
> > this in the past but it has been across a couple of wireless links with
> > similar round trip delays. If you use per-packet load balancing there may
> > be
> > issues with packets arriving out of order but if you do it per session it
> > should work fine. With per session load balancing you won't get an
> > aggregate
> > throughput of both links with a single stream but should use both links if
> > multiple streams are flowing.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > P.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of John Scrivner
> > Sent: 12 January 2006 19:11
> > To: wireless@wispa.org
> > Subject: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
> >
> > A little feedback from the collective is appreciated here. I have a high
> > school who has bought a connection from me but is also stuck with an old
> > T1 circuit under contract for the next 3 years. They want both
> > connections to be used all the time and for all traffic to automatically
> > go through the working connection if one fails. Basically they want load
> > balancing and failover. All addresses are nat'd private space IPs.  I
> > would think I should be able to do this with Mikrotik and/or Star OS but
> > I do not know how. Your thoughts  and or other suggestions are highly
> > appreciated. If only failover or only load balance is possible then
> > suggestions on that are welcome also. By the way, the T1 provider is not
> > me and will likely not work with me unfortunately. We have to leave
> > their network settings intact.
> > Scriv
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RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections

[danlist]

These are PTP wired links - 3 of them combined together - 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:32 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
> 
> Have you used that backhaul to carry one of your high end business client's
> cisco VPNs?
> Most people don't even know how to detect that packets are getting sent out
> of order, and don't realize bandwidth is being wasted on packet drops.
> The reason is the only way to know is to go into the logs of the end user's
> VPN routers. Cisco VPN gear has some good tools to test the VPN and report
> the loss. It was the tech company of the subscriber, that it brought it to
> our attention and noticed it.  And on $500 a month ARPU subs, if they see
> something like that, it means cancellation, if it can't be resolved. The
> reason is high end customers shoot for 100% not 99.9%. Andwhen things aren't
> perfect, the smarter techs realize that a less than perfect link could
> effect many different things that get troubleshooted over time, so the goal
> is to make it perfect to rule it out from ever being a factor. If fiber can
> make it perfect and wireless can't, wireless goes. That has been my
> experience.
> 
> So my question to you is... when you use Mikrotik for Per Packet load
> balancing, does the Mikrotik, just guarantee that the packets arrive in
> order, or does the Mikrotik correct any errors in the packets getting
> received out of order, or are your links lucky to just be capable of
> delivering the packets in order? Technically, if a radio has a buffer or
> queue, its possible for the protocols to re-order the packets so they are
> back in order by the time they leave the other end of the Mikrotik router.
> At a small penalty of latency, re-ordering could be acheived. Its also
> possible that the end user VPN protocols could also already take care of
> that. I don't know enoguh about the VPN venders to know which protocols
> self-correct/guarantee correct packet ordering.
> 
> When using the per packet load balancing of theMikrotik, is the Mikrotik
> also the radio, apposed to it be jsut the router connected Ethernet to
> external radios of another brand. Its possible that without Ethernet
> involved in between that they jsut get to the destination in order more
> frequently.
> 
> Running per packet load balancing is much more reliable over circuits with
> fixed factors such as wired and fiber connections.  In an RF enviroment its
> a much different situation. There are many factors in RF that can cause a
> packet to get delayed in delivery individually. For example an RF link that
> automatically adjusts modulation when errors occur. Because two RF links may
> transfer at different rates, the packets could arrive at different times.
> 
> I did not specify previously, but when mentioning the risk of per packet
> load balancing, I was referring to using it within an RF environment.  And I
> was referring to it being used for loadbalancing for a PtP link.  Load
> balancing per packet between two different ISP transit providers, also could
> result in serious out of order packet problems, thus justifying per session
> load balancing.
> 
> A PTP wired link, very well may be a preferred method to use per packet load
> balancing.
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:22 PM
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
> 
> 
> >I think it depends on the links involved and the remote termination, I
> >currently
> > run per packet round robin load balance across 3 T1's, no issue's with
> > VoIP or
> > VPN - of course the remote ends points are the same devices
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Tom DeReggi
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:17 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
> >>
> >> It important to consider the possibilties of packets arriving out of
> >> order.
> >> Some VPN protocols (deployed by corporate subscribers), will discard the
> >> packets when they arrive out of order, and is almost as bad as packet
> >> loss.
> >> And VOIP quality can be degrated as well. Per session is preferred.
> >>
> >> Tom DeReggi
> >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Paul Hendry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:22 PM
> >> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
> >>
> >>
> >> > Running a EoIP tunnel across both the T1 and your link you should be
> >> > able
> >> > to
> >> > load-balance across both links for incoming and outgoing traffic by
> >> > bonding
> >> > both EoIP interfaces at the cus

RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

[danlist]

Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe?

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> Of Mac Dearman
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
> 
> Whooa  - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile
> all over!
> 
> Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!!
> 
> Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and
> wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a
> day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!!
> 
> 
> 
> Mac Dearman
> Maximum Access, LLC.
> Authorized Barracuda Reseller
> MikroTik RouterOS Certified
> www.inetsouth.com
> www.mac-tel.us
> Rayville, La.
> 318.728.8600
> 318.303.4227
> 318.303.4229
> 
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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

[danlist]

Does the 3db SNR still  apply when using 2X mode? I was under the impression
that 2X requires 10db



> -Original Message-
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> Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
> 
> If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise
> rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your
> throughput.
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> 114 S. Walnut St.
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
> 
> We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a
> necessary
> evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early
> on
> and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise
> floor
> is fairly high in 5.x around here.
> 
> It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the
> time
> and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution
> that
> does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the
> spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx.
> 
> Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had
> two
> competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS
> and
> we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly
> over
> the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps
> plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot
> about us
> and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do
> what
> it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind
> sticking
> with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as
> customers expect faster and faster connections.
> 
> It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get
> calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service
> based off of recommendations from their neighbors.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chadd
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
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> Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900
> gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or
> possibly 5.7 gear.
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

[danlist]

Also that is 3db at -65dbm signal

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM
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> 
> If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise
> rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your
> throughput.
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> 114 S. Walnut St.
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
> 
> We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a
> necessary
> evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early
> on
> and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise
> floor
> is fairly high in 5.x around here.
> 
> It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the
> time
> and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution
> that
> does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the
> spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx.
> 
> Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had
> two
> competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS
> and
> we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly
> over
> the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps
> plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot
> about us
> and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do
> what
> it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind
> sticking
> with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as
> customers expect faster and faster connections.
> 
> It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get
> calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service
> based off of recommendations from their neighbors.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chadd
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900
> gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or
> possibly 5.7 gear.
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
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RE: [WISPA] 900Mhz Grid vs Yagi

[danlist]

Yagi's performance like crap w/ snow and ice on them though

> -Original Message-
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> Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:42 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz Grid vs Yagi
> 
> A bit old here  But check out:
> http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm
> There are radiation pattern examples there.  As a general rule I'd have to
> say that yagi's are quite a bit better than grids.
> 
> laters,
> Marlon
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> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:09 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz Grid vs Yagi
> 
> 
> >
> > PacWireless makes a 900Mhz 18 dbi Parabolic grid antenna.
> > M2 makes a 900Mhz 17.5 dbi Yagi antenna.
> >
> > We had found that 900 was very particular to placement, even a few inches
> > in one direction or the other can make big differences in link quality.
> > Has anyone used both antenna types for a specific link, to compare the
> > properties of each of the designs. The thought is whether the wider
> > surface area of the parabolic antenna would make it better to survive
> > signal obstruction from swaying trees in forests.  The prabolic is a
> > monster at 3 ft dia, s othe Yagi would clearly be a better choice for a
> > roof top chimney install based on cosmetics.  But wondering from a
> > performance perspective the comparison.
> >
> > Tom DeReggi
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RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme

[danlist]

I am not seeing results like this at all, I am using nstream on several PTP
links w/ SR5 cards w/ great success, (polling on) - throughput is awesome and I
have replaced all of my karlnet backhaul links (well not replaced but turned the
karlnet links into backup links), I believe mikrotik is definitely the next
wave, so much that I have started offering complete AP/CPE solution kits through
my web store @ http://store.wbisp.com/ (site just went up last night so its
under construction)

Mikrotik is really bringing a great product to the market and w/ the coming sr9
cards there will be a lot of options on the table for the WISP's


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:29 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme
> 
> This problem was solved thanks to prompt tech support from Wisp-Router.
> 
> With NStreme enabled, it is necessary to assign the IP to the Bridged port,
> not ether1.
> However, without Nstreme enabled, it works fine with IP assigned to Ether1,
> as long as bridged to WLAN.
> (The same way that always worked with Star OS)
> 
> There were also a couple odd things related to what order setting were
> checked converting from one config to another, that kept Nstreme from
> working, which we were able to replicate after the fact (after tech
> support), to prove we weren't crazy.  Unfortuneately, I can't remember now,
> what exactly the sequence was, 5 hours later. For example, there were times
> when we enabled Nstreme correctly , and it just wouldn't connect. But we
> then disabled it, got WDS to talk again, and then re-enabled it
> successfully. It may have had something todo with one side of the link being
> completely configured before the other. Because if both aren't on Nstreme
> they dont talk at the radio level. So the rule was when a configuration
> didn't talk, disble NStreme, make it talk, then re-enable, and it would
> work.
> 
> What I do like about Mikrotik, is that its all there infront of you, all the
> tools, all the features, as needed. Its pretty well laid out, once you get
> the hang of it.
> 
> Probably the biggest feature I saw missing, was it didn't support diversity
> mode on the Wireless driver.  It was A or B or Full Duplex. But not
> diversity.
> 
> One of the nice things about Star-OS was that it supported diversity mode,
> but also it was less critical to configuration errors.
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme
> 
> 
> > Thats exactly what we are trying to do, but its not working, using version
> > 9.12.
> >
> > If I try ping radios
> >
> > When sniffing, the station sees traffic comming in, but the AP-bridge,
> > sees no traffic comming in.
> >
> > I correctly have put both interfaces Ether1 and WDS1 to the same bridge1.
> > Won't pass traffic the second Nstreme gets selected.
> >
> > The IP is assigned to the ether1 port on each of the sides.
> >
> > I have the same problem trying to do it without WDS and straight WLAN1. I
> > can;t pass traffic the second Nstreme gets selected.
> >
> > Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "JNA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:32 AM
> > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> However, it appears their may be is a flaw in config options, in the
> >>> sense
> >>> that there is no way to get NStreme to work in PTMP modes as a True
> >>> bridge,
> >>> as that would require WDS-AP and WDS-Slave which is not a supported
> >>> config.
> >>> Am I correct on this? Or when NStreme is used, can I safely use WDS-
> >>> station,
> >>> and be a true bridge?
> >>
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> We are doing this. We have the base set to ap bridge, with dynamic wds
> >> enabled using nstream and polling. Backhaul on the towers using wds
> >> station
> >> WDS with dynamic wds enabled using nstream and polling. We then have an
> >> omni
> >> off the routerboard and the Ethernet connected to a trango 900 base via
> >> cross over. It is working as a full bridge and our clients get dhcp from
> >> the
> >> gateway server at the other end with no problem. I think this is what you
> >> are looking at doing and If so it is working for us.
> >>
> >> John
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RE: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.

[danlist]

What pigtails and connectors? Mmcx on the SR5 or u.fl? are these new SR5's or
older sr'5s?

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> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:08 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.
> 
> Hey all:
> 
> I'm getting some odd results here with a PtP 5.8GHz link using MikroTik
> that I setup to test with.  Let me describe the setup...
> 
> The link is 7.9 miles with clear LoS and clear Frenel zone.  Each end
> has a 27db grid with a 3ft LMR-400 jumper to the MikroTik radio.
> 
> Using the link calculator at
> http://www.zytrax.com/tech/wireless/calc.htm I get a predicted rx of
> -60.8db at each end with CM9 radio cards (17db output).  Using the SR5
> cards, (400mW), I get a predicted rx of -51.8
> 
> On to the real world results  (all reading taken from the MikroTik's
> winbox.  I am using version 2.9.11 on RouterBoard 230's)
> 
> With the CM9 cards, I get a measured rx of -62db, well within the margin
> of error.  An interesting note here is that I must set the CM9's output
> power in the MikroTik at 30db to get these results..  I know that the
> MikroTik must be doing something odd with this setting, as the CM9 can
> not put out 30db.  Reducing the setting drops the rx strenth by a like
> amount.  This link is stable and will pass 30Mb/sec in UDP and 22Mb/sec
> in TCP mode
> 
> With the SR5 cards, I get a measured rx of -66db, well outside the
> margin of error and 15db below the expected rx strength!  An interesting
> note here is that I must set the SR5's output power in the MikroTik at
> 30db to get these results.  I know that the MikroTik must be doing
> something odd with this setting, as the SR5 should not put out 30db.
> Reducing the setting drops the rx strength by a like amount.  This link
> is stable and will pass 24Mb/sec in UDP and 16Mb/sec in TCP mode.
> 
> Nothing else is changed when I swap the SR5's for the CM9's or back
> again.  I use the same antennas, cables, boards and pigtails.  The
> antennas and cables are not moved between tests. (except for moving the
> pigtail from one card to the other).
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here?  Or do I just have some
> bad SR5 cards?  Or is the tx power setting in the MikroTik flakey?  Or
> is the tx power setting relative db not absolute db?
> 
> BTW, I will be changing one end to a sector and wish to use the SR5
> cards then.  Otherwise I'd be happy with the -62 on the CM9's
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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RE: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.

[danlist]

when they new improved Sr5 (the ones w/ the updated
MMCX’s) I noticed a few changes in the way mikrotik behaves with them, I also
seem about a 6dbm improvement in those links as well… 

 

Dan

 

 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik
5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.



 

If it help, we got SR5’s as soon as they where
available. When I put them in a real world environment on a StarOS/WRAP set-up
I saw no increase in signal quality on either end. Put the CM9’s back in and
still no change.

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of Blair Davis
Sent: 09 February 2006 20:10
To: Scott Reed
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik
5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.



 

That  makes sense as an explanation for the CM9
issue.  Thanks...

Doesn't explain the low output on the SR5 cards

Scott Reed wrote: 

Seems to me there are
posts that the MT setting values do not equate to dB.  Maybe on P15's MT
maillist. 

Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
www.nwwnet.net 


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To: WISPA General List 

Sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:07:46 -0500 
Subject: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings. 

> Hey all: 
> 
> I'm getting some odd results here with a PtP 5.8GHz link using MikroTik 
> that I setup to test with.  Let me describe the setup... 
> 
> The link is 7.9 miles with clear LoS and clear Frenel zone.  Each end

> has a 27db grid with a 3ft LMR-400 jumper to the MikroTik radio. 
> 
> Using the link calculator at 
> http://www.zytrax.com/tech/wireless/calc.htm
I get a predicted rx of 
> -60.8db at each end with CM9 radio cards (17db output).  Using the
SR5 
> cards, (400mW), I get a predicted rx of -51.8 
> 
> On to the real world results  (all reading taken from the
MikroTik's 
> winbox.  I am using version 2.9.11 on RouterBoard 230's) 
> 
> With the CM9 cards, I get a measured rx of -62db, well within the margin 
> of error.  An interesting note here is that I must set the CM9's
output 
> power in the MikroTik at 30db to get these results..  I know that the

> MikroTik must be doing something odd with this setting, as the CM9 can 
> not put out 30db.  Reducing the setting drops the rx strenth by a
like 
> amount.  This link is stable and will pass 30Mb/sec in UDP and
22Mb/sec 
> in TCP mode 
> 
> With the SR5 cards, I get a measured rx of -66db, well outside the 
> margin of error and 15db below the expected rx strength!  An
interesting 
> note here is that I must set the SR5's output power in the MikroTik at 
> 30db to get these results.  I know that the MikroTik must be doing 
> something odd with this setting, as the SR5 should not put out 30db.
  
> Reducing the setting drops the rx strength by a like amount.  This
link 
> is stable and will pass 24Mb/sec in UDP and 16Mb/sec in TCP mode. 
> 
> Nothing else is changed when I swap the SR5's for the CM9's or back 
> again.  I use the same antennas, cables, boards and pigtails.
 The 
> antennas and cables are not moved between tests. (except for moving the 
> pigtail from one card to the other). 
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here?  Or do I just have
some 
> bad SR5 cards?  Or is the tx power setting in the MikroTik flakey?
 Or 
> is the tx power setting relative db not absolute db? 
> 
> BTW, I will be changing one end to a sector and wish to use the SR5 
> cards then.  Otherwise I'd be happy with the -62 on the CM9's 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 269-686-8648 
> 
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RE: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.

[danlist]

Under advanced status the OLDER (the original sr5
cards) report 15dbm TX Power, while the new cards report 19dbm TX Power

 

Also the CHIP INFO under General – is different
between the original sr5 cards and the newer SR5 cards (eeprom info)

 











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Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006
5:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik
5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.



 

If it help, we got SR5’s as soon as they
where available. When I put them in a real world environment on a StarOS/WRAP
set-up I saw no increase in signal quality on either end. Put the CM9’s back in
and still no change.

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of Blair Davis
Sent: 09 February 2006 20:10
To: Scott Reed
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik
5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.



 

That  makes sense as an explanation for the CM9
issue.  Thanks...

Doesn't explain the low output on the SR5 cards

Scott Reed wrote: 

Seems to me there are
posts that the MT setting values do not equate to dB.  Maybe on P15's MT
maillist. 

Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
www.nwwnet.net 


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From: Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: WISPA General List 

Sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:07:46 -0500 
Subject: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings. 

> Hey all: 
> 
> I'm getting some odd results here with a PtP 5.8GHz link using MikroTik 
> that I setup to test with.  Let me describe the setup... 
> 
> The link is 7.9 miles with clear LoS and clear Frenel zone.  Each end

> has a 27db grid with a 3ft LMR-400 jumper to the MikroTik radio. 
> 
> Using the link calculator at 
> http://www.zytrax.com/tech/wireless/calc.htm
I get a predicted rx of 
> -60.8db at each end with CM9 radio cards (17db output).  Using the
SR5 
> cards, (400mW), I get a predicted rx of -51.8 
> 
> On to the real world results  (all reading taken from the
MikroTik's 
> winbox.  I am using version 2.9.11 on RouterBoard 230's) 
> 
> With the CM9 cards, I get a measured rx of -62db, well within the margin 
> of error.  An interesting note here is that I must set the CM9's
output 
> power in the MikroTik at 30db to get these results..  I know that the

> MikroTik must be doing something odd with this setting, as the CM9 can 
> not put out 30db.  Reducing the setting drops the rx strenth by a
like 
> amount.  This link is stable and will pass 30Mb/sec in UDP and
22Mb/sec 
> in TCP mode 
> 
> With the SR5 cards, I get a measured rx of -66db, well outside the 
> margin of error and 15db below the expected rx strength!  An
interesting 
> note here is that I must set the SR5's output power in the MikroTik at 
> 30db to get these results.  I know that the MikroTik must be doing 
> something odd with this setting, as the SR5 should not put out 30db.
  
> Reducing the setting drops the rx strength by a like amount.  This
link 
> is stable and will pass 24Mb/sec in UDP and 16Mb/sec in TCP mode. 
> 
> Nothing else is changed when I swap the SR5's for the CM9's or back 
> again.  I use the same antennas, cables, boards and pigtails.
 The 
> antennas and cables are not moved between tests. (except for moving the 
> pigtail from one card to the other). 
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here?  Or do I just have
some 
> bad SR5 cards?  Or is the tx power setting in the MikroTik flakey?
 Or 
> is the tx power setting relative db not absolute db? 
> 
> BTW, I will be changing one end to a sector and wish to use the SR5 
> cards then.  Otherwise I'd be happy with the -62 on the CM9's 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> -- 
> Blair Davis 
> 
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> 
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> 
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