Re: [WISPA] Meanwell DIn rail power supplies

[Randy Cosby]

Exactly, that's what we do.  The Meanwell UPS does not have low-voltage
disconnect.  

 

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Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 10:15 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meanwell DIn rail power supplies

 

Usually UPS have a voltage that they shut down the power and doesn't let the
batteries go to 0Volts and collapse the batteries.

 

If you use a Netonix to power your stuff then you can set it to shut down at
a voltage.

 

Steve Barnes

Wireless Operations Manager

PCSWIN.COM

NLBC.COM

 

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Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:57 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meanwell DIn rail power supplies

 

Can someone comment on what value there is in the UPS module, vs just using
the charger and running the load off the batteries? 

 

I can see value in the relay contacts for battery status, but if those are
not being monitored, what else is that unit good for?  There is no LVD, no
temperature compensation, no charge voltage regulation, and no real way to
monitor the DC power supply (Is it even on) built into the unit.   There are
more expensive units out there with much of this functionality.In our
case we run without the UPS and monitor the power separately.  Maybe I'm
missing something?

 

Example of more $$: 

https://www.winncom.com/vi/products/DIN-UPS-24-10

https://www.asi-ez.com/member/~ASIDCU20.asp

 

 

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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 8:08 AM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meanwell DIn rail power supplies

 

DR-xxx-24 is not just a charger, it is a full power supply.  We used them
with and without the DR-UPS40.

SD and RSD have smaller footprint.

 

 

On 7/14/2016 10:01 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:

Fully din rail is a 2 part unit.

DR-120-24 as battery charger and DR-UPS40 is the UPS

 

In non-DIN there is the AD-155B and if you find the right clips you can
mount that to a DIN rail but its pretty large.

 

 

Steve Barnes

Wireless Operations Manager

PCSWIN.COM

NLBC.COM

 

From:  <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> wireless-boun...@wispa.org [
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SD works for me but people have said RSD is better.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Jul 14, 2016 2:20 AM, mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com> >
wrote:

I know this has been covered a bazillion times but i couldn't find the
threads.

I don't need UPS capability. Was there a specific Meanwell line to watch out
for?

Thank You,
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Re: [WISPA] Meanwell DIn rail power supplies

[Randy Cosby]

Can someone comment on what value there is in the UPS module, vs just using
the charger and running the load off the batteries? 

 

I can see value in the relay contacts for battery status, but if those are
not being monitored, what else is that unit good for?  There is no LVD, no
temperature compensation, no charge voltage regulation, and no real way to
monitor the DC power supply (Is it even on) built into the unit.   There are
more expensive units out there with much of this functionality.In our
case we run without the UPS and monitor the power separately.  Maybe I'm
missing something?

 

Example of more $$: 

https://www.winncom.com/vi/products/DIN-UPS-24-10

https://www.asi-ez.com/member/~ASIDCU20.asp

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 8:08 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meanwell DIn rail power supplies

 

DR-xxx-24 is not just a charger, it is a full power supply.  We used them
with and without the DR-UPS40.

SD and RSD have smaller footprint.

 

 

On 7/14/2016 10:01 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:

Fully din rail is a 2 part unit.

DR-120-24 as battery charger and DR-UPS40 is the UPS

 

In non-DIN there is the AD-155B and if you find the right clips you can
mount that to a DIN rail but its pretty large.

 

 

Steve Barnes

Wireless Operations Manager

PCSWIN.COM

NLBC.COM

 

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 2:24 AM
To: WISPA General List   
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meanwell DIn rail power supplies

 

SD works for me but people have said RSD is better.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Jul 14, 2016 2:20 AM, mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com> >
wrote:

I know this has been covered a bazillion times but i couldn't find the
threads.

I don't need UPS capability. Was there a specific Meanwell line to watch out
for?

Thank You,
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Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project

[Randy Cosby]

Would it pay to see if UBNT would allow us to continue to use some of 
the provisioning mechanisms built into the radios for aircontrol?  It's 
nice to have subscriber units "phone home."



On 12/3/2014 12:39 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I was wondering if that might come about. Maybe another wisp that uses
their own software might offer something.

Mike Hammett wrote:

Further driven by today's post that summed up says, "We don't care
what you want. This is what you get."



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*Sent: *Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:19:23 PM
*Subject: *[WISPA] groundcontrol project

For those of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new
project yesterday.

https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol

Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2.

We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a db server,
and several people have decided to volunteer time to make this happen.

The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a
possibly paid support/features option, or maybe a model similar to
observium where the is a "community" (free as in beer) version that
comes out every 6mo or so, and a "paid" version with newer features
and direct support. We're not sure yet, but we want to make this
project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral.

If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, documentation,
ideas, etc.it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and
for the WISP community. Thank you!
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Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

[Randy Cosby]

Unfortunately the manufacturer who seems to miss crucial parts or ship 
me the wrong units (if they ship to the correct location) on a 
consistent basis is frequently late as well. So I stick tend to stick 
with UBNT for UBNT applications.



On 8/28/2014 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

That is of course assuming that you don't get it the day you need it.  ;-)



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*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

Just open up all boxes and check all your parts before you go out. 
Nuts. Brackets. Cables.


I've never had a problem with missing parts on UBNT sectors.

On 8/28/2014 2:07 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Not only should you have spares, you should also make sure you
have the right parts before you go to the job...

even if you do have the right parts, it's still a nuisance to deal
with getting sent the wrong stuff... it can happen with anything
though - for instance, I once got sent a 5ghz UBNT omni instead of
2.4ghz... I'm pretty sure I would've been better off with the
wrong pigtails ;-)


*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on
behalf of Jim Patient [jpati...@linktechs.net]
*Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:01 PM
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If you get out to the job and don't have the right pigtail because
the vendor didn't ship the right one, it's not the vendors fault. 
You should have several spares of every flavor in your truck.  If

not, it's a safe bet Murphy will show up throwing his laws around :-)

Jim Patient

Office: 314-735-0270

linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/>

towercoverage.com <http://www.towercoverage.com/>

ispradio.com <http://www.ispradio.com/>

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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:30 PM
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Which is a problem when they ship you N male to N male by
mistake... =P



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On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Matt Brendle
mailto:mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

KPP if for nothing else it comes with better jumpers.  KPP has N
connectors on antenna and jumper to match up to RP-SMA on Rocket. 
YMMV


-Matt

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Same radios but I had the opposite experience.  I had one at -35,
maybe the RF armor requires both of those dumb machine screws to work.



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On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Greg Osborn
mailto:gregwosb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

UBNT to KPP straight up, kpp.  UBNT with armor vs KPP, we
prefer UBNT
because of the extra horizontal separation required with KPP.
On a grainleg
platform, we've seen kpp sectors see one another at -30 or
below, where UBNT
see one another in the -50's. On a tower without standoffs and
KPP, forget
it, you will have problems.

2.4 in 10mhz cw.


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Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

one obvious advantage with the KPP is that the connectors or
all covered by
the shielding, so you eliminate any potential issues with
water in the
connectors, and you can throw away that annoying cover on the
Rocket over
the ethernet port.
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Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

[Randy Cosby]

> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> [wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] on
> behalf of Sam [w...@csilogan.com <mailto:w...@csilogan.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas
>
> That's a great point. Thank you Andy. How about differences in
> performance between the two? Big difference? Negligible?
>
> Thanks
> Sam
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2014 09:18, Andy Trimmell wrote:
>> I think the big plus with the KP antennas is they come with a cover
>> for the rocket. You'll have to buy a RF Elements cover if you're
>> using stock Rockets with stock UBNT antennas.
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM
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>> Subject: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas
>>
>> I am hoping to find someone who has used both UBNT and KP
Performance
>> antennas (with Rockets) who would be willing to share their
>> experiences of one vs the other. For this project I'm specifically
>> looking at 13 dBi omni antennas, but am curious about how the
sector
>> antennas compare as well.
>>
>> Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site

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Re: [WISPA] Serious rain out here

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Last time I came out to Denver most of the rental cars had been damaged 
by hail so there were hours-long lines to get one of the remaining 
undamaged cars.  Hope that's not the case when I come out next month.



On 5/21/2014 3:44 PM, Daniel White wrote:


Check this out:

https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84/status/469212469563383809

Just found out another tornado touched down closer to a ¼ mile away 
from us.  No major damage reports I have heard of yet.


http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/tornado-touches-down-in-denver-at-tower-smith-roads-sirens-heard-around-metro-area05212014

Had some flooding in the warehouse -- thank god everything is on 
shelves and pallets :-)


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Within minutes my front and back yard are flooded.  I had a 5 GHz 5 
mile link lose 5 db (typing that made me realize how cool it was).


Those of you to the east/south watch out.  Just a bit of lightning, 
nothing heavy duty.  Hoping for the best for everyone!



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Re: [WISPA] Project and Schedule Management

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We've started using Asana and have been pretty happy with it.  Can't 
compare it to anything else though.



On 4/30/2014 3:47 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:

Want do do nitty gritty details, MS Project.




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Hi folks,

What kind of site or software you use to control the agenda of
customers installations and projects to install new POPs (example:
a new tower, involves the erection of the tower, electrical,
installation and configuration of radios, switches..)

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Re: [WISPA] VoIP reselling.

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Doesn't sound right to me, unless they are going to do all the billing 
and tax filing in your behalf.


If they charge you USF on your wholesale rate, who pays on the 
difference between your wholesale rate and the customer's marked up rate?


On 3/26/2014 10:51 AM, Roger Howard wrote:
So I've been using Vitelity for a while in the office here, with 
freeswitch, and it works great.


I was considering reselling the vitelity service to my customers, the 
only thing that has held me back is the legal requirements. I thought 
I had to collect USF fees, register with the FCC, pay it to them. 
Maybe sales tax. etc.


I was at wispamerica yesterday and talked to a fellow at the Vitelity 
booth. He told me that they collect the USF, so we don't have to, the 
e-911 is optional, all I have to do is sign up as a reseller to get 
better pricing and charge what I like to the customers.


Is this correct? I've learned to never trust a salesman. Something 
doesn't sound right, surely it can't be that easy?


Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

[Randy Cosby]

Is anyone actually buying right now?  I haven't heard much about the big 
buyer (Jab) lately.



On 3/19/2014 9:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
The going rate, we've seen (and has been discussed here many times), 
is about 1.5x annual revenue


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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

We priced ours at 2.5x gross revenue. We had about 10 companies
contact us.
I would say 5 were serious but they wanted us to finance it so we
decided
not to sell.

Thanks,

Kevin Melson
Eagle One Wireless
1505 Hwy 72 E
Corinth, MS 38834
662-287-1722
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What is the current rate for selling your ISP! I would like to
sell, for
health reasons.
Thanks for your help!
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[WISPA] >4-pair Cat6 cable?

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Does anyone know of any cat-6 cable with more than 4 pairs?  Maybe 
24-pair?   Outdoor would be ideal but not required.

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Re: [WISPA] High winds destroy wind turbine blades

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http://msnvideo.msn.com/?channelindex=4&from=en-us_msnhpvidmod#/video/65831814-e025-4967-9dc5-8bb037d18050 



Wow...

On 10/28/2013 1:13 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
We had one that was supposed to turn on the brakes as well, and it 
didn't fare so well either.


Regards,
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On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Randy Cosby <mailto:dco...@infowest.com>> wrote:


The turbine has automatic braking - but it's not enough...


On 10/28/2013 1:08 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Just when you want to be able to turn on the breaks!

Regards,
Chuck


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Clay Stewart
mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com>> wrote:

If they are boomerang blades, they will be back in a while.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Matt Hoppes
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:

Well, if you wouldn't put boomerang blades on it it might
have lasted longer. :P

Yikes!

    On Oct 28, 2013, at 14:54, Randy Cosby
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> Nasty wind storms moving through Utah.  This site can
get over 100MPH
> but our trusty AirBreeze as survived over 3 years.  Not
today.  Caught
> the destruction on our airCam this morning.
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Re: [WISPA] High winds destroy wind turbine blades

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The turbine has automatic braking - but it's not enough...

On 10/28/2013 1:08 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Just when you want to be able to turn on the breaks!

Regards,
Chuck


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Clay Stewart 
<mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com>> wrote:


If they are boomerang blades, they will be back in a while.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Matt Hoppes
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
wrote:

Well, if you wouldn't put boomerang blades on it it might have
lasted longer. :P

Yikes!

On Oct 28, 2013, at 14:54, Randy Cosby mailto:dco...@infowest.com>> wrote:

> Nasty wind storms moving through Utah.  This site can get
over 100MPH
> but our trusty AirBreeze as survived over 3 years.  Not
today.  Caught
> the destruction on our airCam this morning.
>
> http://youtu.be/4KvxGpwBj1w
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[WISPA] High winds destroy wind turbine blades

[Randy Cosby]

Nasty wind storms moving through Utah.  This site can get over 100MPH 
but our trusty AirBreeze as survived over 3 years.  Not today.  Caught 
the destruction on our airCam this morning.

http://youtu.be/4KvxGpwBj1w

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti radios failing?

[Randy Cosby]

Are these PTP, or connected to one particular AP?  What type of AP?


On 10/15/2013 11:54 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> dear all
>
> lately we are having some strange issues with some airgrids. We see that:
>
> 1) the signal on some radios is droppiing around 10dbi
> 2) it works in one direction but not the other (eg. tx=ok but rx not
> working)
>
> Is that happening to you too?
>
> Regards
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Re: [WISPA] ToughSwitch Question

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Better also plan on how many ports will have POE turned on -- even
if you don't have load on them yet to measure against.  Turning the
relays "on" takes more power.


On 9/24/2013 1:32 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:


  
  
  Thanx, I really need to know.
  NGL
  

  From: Josh Luthman
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:06 AM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] ToughSwitch Question



If you can't get the answer let me know, I have
  an amp meter and a NIB ToughSwitch.

  
Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
  
  
  On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Clay
Stewart <cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com>
wrote:

  DO not know off hand, but what I do is use
an APC UPS unit with LED power wattage info, plug in the
item I want to know the true wattage and these guys will
give it too you. More accurate then a spec sheet ;')
  


  
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM,
  ~NGL~ <n...@ngl.net>
  wrote:

  
  

  

  Anyone know the wattage a ToughSwitch 5
port uses when powered directly by a 24 volt
battery system. I need to be sure I have
enough solar  to keep tha system up
  Thanx
  
  NGL
  

  

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Re: [WISPA] Shielded Cable for Installation

[Randy Cosby]

If you were using "level 1" or "level 2" toughcable, that's an old, 
discontinued product and is completely different than the "pro" or 
"carrier" versions.



On 9/17/2013 1:23 PM, heith petersen wrote:
I have to catch up on this stuff. We have been cussing the tough cable 
for months but now the newer stuff is a go? Don't know if I could sell 
our partner on that. He cringes every time a piece of UBNT leaves the 
office for an install out in the field

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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Shielded Cable for Installation
Ditto on UBNT Cable... new cable is dong well (PRO). Carrier is very 
good and we are STILL replacing some older cable. An issue with the 
Carrier is in using UBNT connectors is hard to do... we criomp down on 
a 1/4" second shield as the cable is too thick at the outer jacket.



On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Randy Cosby <mailto:dco...@infowest.com>> wrote:


I'll have to agree with Josh.  We like the "Pro" for residential
installs.   Nice box / spool, reasonable diameter and
flexibility.  The box is a bit heavy - a 500' box might be easier
for installers to work with. The Carrier version is overkill with
two shields. We like shireen as well, but like the UBNT more.

In no way does it resemble the old toughcable that turned into
green gooey flakes after being in the sun  a few days.


On 9/17/2013 10:05 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I've been using the (new) ToughCable.  The shielding is great and
the plastic seems to actually work!  The box, believe it or not,
is actually a box now!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Heith Petersen
mailto:he...@mn-wireless.com>> wrote:

Probably beating a dead horse here. We are definitely looking
at using more or all shielded cable at residential installs.
Currently we are hooked on the tower cable that we use, but
was curious as to what others were using for something easier
to work with
thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Shielded Cable for Installation

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I'll have to agree with Josh.  We like the "Pro" for residential 
installs.   Nice box / spool, reasonable diameter and flexibility. The 
box is a bit heavy - a 500' box might be easier for installers to work 
with.  The Carrier version is overkill with two shields.  We like 
shireen as well, but like the UBNT more.


In no way does it resemble the old toughcable that turned into green 
gooey flakes after being in the sun  a few days.



On 9/17/2013 10:05 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I've been using the (new) ToughCable.  The shielding is great and the 
plastic seems to actually work!  The box, believe it or not, is 
actually a box now!!!



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Heith Petersen 
mailto:he...@mn-wireless.com>> wrote:


Probably beating a dead horse here. We are definitely looking at
using more or all shielded cable at residential installs.
Currently we are hooked on the tower cable that we use, but was
curious as to what others were using for something easier to work with
thanks
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Taxes, Fees, & Insanity

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There is another issue I've found when dealing with the taxes and fees
that I think gets overlooked. If you are charging your federal portion
(USF) at 64.9% "safe harbor" for interstate, I have been told that the
intrastate portion (state, county, regional) taxes should be charged on
on the intrastate portion of revvenue- 35.1%. Talk to a competent
telecom taxing consultant / lawyer for advice on that. 

I have to agree that Utah is extra special in the way they have us file
and charge the telecom taxes, and if done correctly there can be
different rates in different municipalities. The tax follows the
customer location, not your office location. 

If you think that is fun, wait until you file and have to not only track
each of those municipalities by state-assigned municipality id code, but
ALSO by your "outlet" code that is assigned separately for each
municipality to each tax paying entity. TC-62M worksheet A. Oh, and the
handy excel spreadsheet the state gives you to file this mess is broken
and has been for at least 2 quarters. Unless you do it by hand, the
online form is the only way I've seen to get them all the information
they require. 

Good luck! 

On 2013-07-28 16:03, Carlos Alcantar wrote: 

> I would highly suggest you go talk to a telecom tax lawyer. Taxes on voice 
> are all over the place and in most cases it's up into interpretation, and 
> this is where things can go really bad if you think it's one way and they 
> think it's the other. Just my 2 cents. 
> 
> Carlos Alcantar 
> Race Communications / Race Team Member 
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com 
> 
> From: Jeremy 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:20 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP Taxes, Fees, & Insanity 
> 
> I am attempting to figure out all of the taxes for VoiP and the main thing 
> that has me confused is the Universal Service Fund. It seems that my state 
> (Utah) has a USF of 0.45% 
> http://www.psc.state.ut.us/utilities/telecom/documents/Rule%20746-360%20amendment.rtf
>  [2]
> 
> Then it also seems like the Feds want 15.1%?? That is huge! 
> http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/contribution-factor-quarterly-filings-universal-service-fund-usf-management-support
>  [3]
> 
> Then there is sales and use tax of 
> 
> STATE SALES & USE - 4.7% MUNICIPALITY SALES & USE - varies - see 
> http://tax.utah.gov/salestax/rate/13q3combined.pdf [4]
> 
> Then we have E911:
> 
> E911 STATE - .08
> 
> E911 COUNTY - .61 
> POISON CONTROL - .07
> --- TOTAL FOR E911 - .76
> 
> Then, since October 2011 we are also liable for the TELECOMMUNICATIONS RELAY 
> FUND - .06
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[WISPA] FS: Trango SU and AP's

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Bunches of 'em, located in Southern Utah.  Working pulls.  Make an offer 
if you need some spares.

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[WISPA] Service Lead: Rebecca View Dr, Midvale, UT

[Randy Cosby]

Please hit me off-list today with your contact info if you can provide 
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[WISPA] OT: VoIP Taxes and Fees

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Just had a question pop into my head last night after a long day of 
working on VoIP tax and fee paperwork.

How does Google Voice not have to charge such fees as USF, telcom 
recovery, etc?  Aren't they providing telephone "lines" just like we 
are, even if they may terminate in a different device (a PC or a cell 
phone) than us (an ATA or handset)?  Does Skype charge those fees?


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Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF

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"Facilities Based" excludes all fixed wireless, is that correct?

Would VoIP - properly reported, taxed, etc. - qualify as voice?

Randy

On 5/29/2012 10:40 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
> Right.
>
> And that's why we still have to fight they current rules as proposed.
>
> We've made the statement that if any company offers un subsidized service
> then no one should get a tax payer funded leg up in the market.
>
> Under the current rules a SINGLE company has to provide both *facilities
> based *voice and broadband without subsidies before the faucet is shut off
> to the USF/CAF recipient.
>
> We're in the bottom of the 9th inning and we're down by a couple of runs, 2
> out full count and Casey is at bat.
>
> Are we going to swing at the ball or just stand there and watch it fly by?
>
> marlon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Fred Goldstein" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF/CAF
>
>
>> At 5/25/2012 01:03 PM, Matt wrote:
>>> Perhaps anyone accepting money from these funds should be required to
>>> wholesale there services at a discount such as dry loop dsl?  They
>>> should also not be allowed to price under cut wholesalers for that to
>>> work?
>> In fact, that *was* the rule.  Or at least they had to wholesale the
>> DSL, even if it was bundled with cheap POTS.  When the FCC detariffed
>> DSL in 2005, it was permissive, so the Bells could detariff while the
>> subsidized rural ILECs stayed on tariff in order to maximize their USF.
>>
>> The new Connect America Fund rules make one major change -- they
>> allow the ILEC to detariff DSL, offer it only as a retail information
>> service, and still get subsidized.  That's how they want to "improve"
>> broadband availability.  Gee, do you think any telco lobbyists were
>> active in getting that passed? ;-)
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Help coming up with company name....

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WNS?

WNSNet?

Anything more creative would deplete needed brain cells.


On 5/10/2012 10:19 AM, Zach Mann wrote:

Brainstorm time,

Do any of you have suggestions for a company name, obviously involving 
wireless, networks, surveillance etc ?  Trying to come up with a good 
name.  Open to any suggestions.


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Re: [WISPA] Customer Routers

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Where are you getting 751's now? They seem pretty rare in the wild.

Randy

On 4/26/2012 4:27 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:

My Take on routers.

Off the shelf routers are the #1 trouble issue on the Zig network. 
 Anything from gaming issues, to speed issues, to reliability issues. 
They account for roughly 92% of all calls.  The first thing we have 
the customer do after reboots of everything is bypass the router. Most 
of the time this shows the customer it's their router, or something 
behind it.


In our past life we started out selling routers. We looked for the 
cheapest ones we could find, which at the time were dlink. What we 
found was customers then considered that our equipment. "Well the 
router you sold me went out." was something we heard a lot. Or "I 
reset the router now you have to come out and configure it"


What we are doing this time around is we have only one officially 
approved router. The Mikrotik 751. We have a local computer shop which 
stocks them and sets them up.  What he does as far as support is 
between him and the customer. I am pretty sure he tells them he is 
just a retailer for the product and if they want his help he will 
gladly charge them his hourly rate. All about expectations up front.


By doing all of this we are not in the router business, but the 
customer gets a solid product and cuts down on our calls. In turn we 
have a happier customer base. And if need be, we can actually login to 
their router and do torch, etc.


Justin

From: Darin Steffl mailto:dcsho...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>

Date: Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:31 PM
To: mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA] Customer Routers

Hey guys,

What are some of you providing for customer wireless routers if
you include them in the install as I do?  I currently have a batch
of 10 Ubiquiti Air Routers and the first two I pulled out are
giving me some problems.  Could be a bad batch.

I am also looking at TP-Link as they are about $30 on Amazon with
external antennas and pretty good reviews.

TP-Link TL-WR841N

What are you guys using?

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for Site to Sell

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I've tried wispswap.com in the past with a little success.

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Re: [WISPA] DFS2 gear

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Don't bother..  It's old discontinued equipment.



On 2/27/2012 11:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Old stuff is grandfathered in.  Not sure about DFS versus DFS2.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
>> The Trango site says "For export only. Not for U.S.A." on the 5.3
>> gear. This would indicate it has DFS but not DFS2. Am I looking at the
>> wrong product?
>>
>> http://www.trangobroadband.com/wireless-products/multipoint-broadband-access/Access5830-System.aspx
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Josh Luthman
>>   wrote:
>>> Trango 5830
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jeromie Reeves  
>>> wrote:
>>>> Is there anything out there that is DFS2 certified for PtMP ? I know
>>>> of Canopy and (someday) Ubnt. Everything else
>>>> I know if is hi-cap PtP but all my links are to long for those.
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

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Re: [WISPA] wall plate style AP

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Panoptic has a series of jacks with options for 100 / 1000 / ABG / N / 
POE passthrough / Unpowered to choose from.  Only one switch port on the 
front though.  Could be inconvenient if you need an RJ11 port as well.  
~$149/ea.

On 11/7/2011 8:35 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
> Not heard of those.
>
> I have heard of this one though.
> http://www.teletronics.com/hotspot.html
>
> Never used it but Teletronics has been around this industry for a VERY long
> time.
>
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rogelio"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:28 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] wall plate style AP
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>
> Has anyone used or deployed these style access points?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izV6UnNSEyU
>
> And are there any other brands that do this sort of thing?  I would
> imagine that there has to be cheaper versions out there
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

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I think you just jinxed that link!

On 8/2/2011 2:32 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very
> little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years.
>
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> On 8/2/2011 1:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>> At 8/2/2011 01:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> Content-Language: en-US
>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>>
>>> boundary="_000_D26588DB857E2948835D6C7A27C9879E15DBBD68AEROMAIL1aerone_"
>>>
>>> Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high
>>> interference, but if you want to go to a whole diff band, I would
>>> suggest against a 3 mile 24 ghz link, go with a Radwin 2000 in 3.65
>>> Ghz .  Its FCC certified for up to 20 mhz, providing a solid 100
>>> mbps aggregate data rate for well under $7k
>>>
>> If Adam's where I think he is, he is in the exclusion zone of two or
>> three of those pesky earth stations.  3.65 is unavailable in much of
>> the country, unless he can wangle the waiver.
>>
>> A lot of people use 18-23 GHz links of that distance.  The 24 GHz
>> unlicensed power limit may be a bit low though.  A licensed Ka-band
>> radio should be fine for 3 miles, unless it is non-diversity mission
>> critical.  Someone I work with manages a public safety microwave
>> network around here.  His 18 GHz and 5 GHz links are both impacted by
>> weather, but not the same weather, so the network overall stays up
>> even as links fade.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT hotspot controller

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The POE stuff is not available yet, but was announced.  The model they 
announced earlier this year is the RB-750UP


http://www.3dbwireless.com/boyd/?p=479

-   Same form factor as regular RB750
+  USB port
+  24V Power Output on four ports
* Controllable PoE out
* SNMP support
* Voltage and current monitors
+  Can power PoE capable devices
+  Less cables and PoE injectors
-   Available in May June


On 6/14/2011 11:24 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:


Check their site. I think they just came out with some PoE stuff.

Otherwise the RB750 is enough to handle many many sessions.

There are plenty of How To's on VPN server/client.

- Jerry

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Patrick Shoemaker

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That could work. I like that idea. I'm a Mikrotik novice, what sort of 
hardware should I be using? Anything with PoE injector built in to 
power the UniFi APs?


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*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson

*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:46
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Why not use MT Routers to PPTP tunnel the remote networks back to your 
NOC with one one server managing/monitoring all the networks?


Less costly and you get the benefit of a single server to view all the 
networks and a MT on site for diagnostics and bandwidth management.


- Jerry

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Is anyone using Ubiquiti's UniFi APs and running the controller 
software on a device other than a normal PC server?


I'd like to deploy these things at some remote locations (free public 
WiFi hotspots) and am looking for a single board computer or something 
like a SheevaPlug that will run the controller software and is small, 
inexpensive, and doesn't consume much power.


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Re: [WISPA] MT SXT's

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Anyone tried these with a dish yet?


On 3/30/2011 3:18 PM, Kevin Owen wrote:
> Excellent,  that is great to hear.  I take it that you aren't doing anything 
> other than closing the door and keeping the cable routed down.  No additional 
> weather proofing of the door?  We are in a definite snow and rain zone so 
> just a bit concerned.  We are going to hang a couple later this week and just 
> wanted to hear from others.  I appreciate it.
>
> FCC cert = TV7SXT-5d
>
> Kevin
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 2:16 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT SXT's
>
> Do they have a FCC Cert?
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Dennis Burgess  
> wrote:
>> We have had them up for quite some time, no issues yet.  Great performance.
>> J
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Kevin Owen
>> Sent: March 30, 2011 3:56 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] MT SXT's
>>
>>
>>
>> We just received our first shipment of the SXT's.  While they are certainly
>> very interesting, I am concerned about the ability to weatherproof the
>> little door on the bottom.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have I missed a previous discussion about these units and the
>> weatherproofing of them?
>>
>>
>>
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[WISPA] FS: TrangoLINK 45 (5.3, 5.4 and 5.8 LEGAL), Tranzeo Wimax Starter Kit

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The Tranzeo 3.65 GHz WiMAX Starter Kit includes:

 * 1 - TR-WMX-365-pBS - The pico base station
 * 1 - 17dBi 24 degree panel antenna - The "sector" antenna for this 
set
 * 2 - TR-WMX-3-17 - Two CPE's
 * 1 - 3FT LMR cable - Cable for the base station
 * All power supplies and POE injectors

Normally $2300.  These are currently on promotional pricing for $1700.  
Great way to check out Wimax and see if it will work for you.

$800 OBO.  Paypal preferred.

I took it out of the box and did some tests in the lab, but decided to 
go another direction.  The kit is like new other than a few fingerprints!
I will also assist in registering for a base station location with the 
FCC, as I did that successfully, but never did install it.


I also have a pair of TrangoLink 45 backhaul radios for sale.

These are the external antenna model with dual external connectors 
(P-5055M-EXT-US)

These are the current models, not the older 5010M you see on Ebay from 
time to time.  Current WISP selling price from Trango for this radio 
model is $1750/pair.

TrangoLINK 45 is one of the few radios available that are FCC CERTIFIED 
FOR 5.3 and 5.4 with approved DFS and ATPC functionality.  Of course 
they also work in 5.8 frequencies at full power.   Both are used recent 
pulls, in working condition.

Asking $650 for a pair.

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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

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One more find.  This one looks promising (but expensive):

http://www.korenix-usa.com/prod/46/JetNet_4706

L-Com sells them.

Dual power supply inputs, 802.3af or "non-standard" 24v (software 
selectable),  web management/telnet/snmp management.




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> One other option to consider:
> http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=34
>
> The Sitemonitor-Controlled SyncInjector is designed to add sync and
> power to Canopy 100 AP's, but doesn't have to be used that way.  It can
> be used to power (and control) other POE devices - reverse your 4/5&
> 7/8 pairs.  It even lets you monitor the power usage (milliamps).  Be
> sure your power supply is big enough for 4 devices.
>
> + Remote management (SNMP)
> + Inexpensive (compared to some other midspan devices)
> + Daisy-chainable - easy to add additional ports
>
> - Requires a separate sitemonitor base
> - Not rack or DIN rail mountable
> - Not a switch
> - Single power supply
>
>
>
> On 2/26/2011 9:04 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jason Bailey   wrote:
>>> Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting 
>>> kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;)  Thanks!  Jason
>> Not UBNT, but RADWIN has a product called BDU (Base Distribution Unit)
>> for up to 8 radios. Fully SNMP managed... unfortunately it's 48V (can
>> be passive or 802.3af). But you can show them to UBTN's Ben Moore and
>> say that's what you want...
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

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One other option to consider: 
http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=34

The Sitemonitor-Controlled SyncInjector is designed to add sync and 
power to Canopy 100 AP's, but doesn't have to be used that way.  It can 
be used to power (and control) other POE devices - reverse your 4/5 & 
7/8 pairs.  It even lets you monitor the power usage (milliamps).  Be 
sure your power supply is big enough for 4 devices.

+ Remote management (SNMP)
+ Inexpensive (compared to some other midspan devices)
+ Daisy-chainable - easy to add additional ports

- Requires a separate sitemonitor base
- Not rack or DIN rail mountable
- Not a switch
- Single power supply



On 2/26/2011 9:04 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jason Bailey  wrote:
>> Anyone have a good vendor for a rackmount poe switch for ubnt gear?Getting 
>> kinda messy with all the zip-ties and double-sided tape ;)  Thanks!  Jason
> Not UBNT, but RADWIN has a product called BDU (Base Distribution Unit)
> for up to 8 radios. Fully SNMP managed... unfortunately it's 48V (can
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> say that's what you want...
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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

[Randy Cosby]

I don't reccomend that!  Of the 3 I've put in the field, I've had one 
already fail on me.   Panoptic makes one as well, but I had to power 
cycle a POE port yesterday when one froze up (or overheated?).  Anyone 
had good luck with any other 802.3af converters?


Randy

On 2/25/2011 7:28 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
You could take a regular PoE switch and use Ubiquiti's Instant 802.3af 
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Re: [WISPA] [WUG] Monitoring AC Current

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Why do you need to step that up instead of just using the 0-100mv input 
(labeled "shunt") on the packetflux sitemonitor.  Not sure I'm following 
you.



On 2/24/2011 3:43 PM, Matt wrote:
> I need to monitor current on an AC line at a tower site.  Like 5 amps
> at 120 VAC.  I would like to graph it with something like 'Site
> Monitor' from 'Packet Flux' which has a 0 - 100mv DC input among other
> inputs.  Does anyone know a good way to convert to that hopefully with
> some surge protection as well?
>
> Was considering using there 10amp current shunt right on the AC input
> then using a transformer and rectifier to step that back up from 100mv
> to about 1 - 3 volt DC.  Then inputting that into the 'Site Monitor'.
> Surely there is an easier way?
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Re: [WISPA] Monitoring batteries

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I'm using one now, quite happy with it.  I can see amps in, amps out, 
volts in, battery volts, and about 20 other variables.




On 10/26/2010 4:48 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> If you have (or get) a MorningStar charge controller, you could use one
> of these...
>
> http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=32&zenid=a701d853c4139d3f3c191b7dd586f1d0
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> Note that I've haven't personally tried one of these...but I want to.
>
> -Kristian
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> On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 15:42 -0700, ~NGL~ wrote:
>> What is available to monitor a solar site via the net. We have 2
>> remote tower powered by solar and would like to monitor them via the
>> web.
>> Thanx
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Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?

[Randy Cosby]

 Right.. I've already converted the overlay to vector before feeding it 
into the kml to shp.


I said "the Radiomobile overlay into a raster (svg) in Inkscape "... I 
should have said "the Radiomobile overlay into a _vector_ (svg) in Inkscape"



 On 10/11/2010 10:39 AM, Brian Webster wrote:

Most of the kml to shape file tools will only work on files that are
polygons. The image overlays won't necessarily work.



Brian


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   Thanks Brian, Kristian,

I'll have to check out Splat! some time soon.  My process involved
converting the Radiomobile overlay into a raster (svg) in Inkscape, then
convert that to KML.  I can't remember off the top of my head how I did
it, but I was able to preserve the gps coordinates of the shape through
the conversions.  My primary need was to create interactive Google maps
(ie: your home can be served by ap1, ap3 and ap4, with ap1 being the
closest).  There are a number of apps for converting from KML shapes to
.shp files, just haven't had a chance to experiment with them yet.

* Inkscape: http://inkscape.org/
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Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?

[Randy Cosby]

  Interesting.  So if the kml file includes a .png shape, it will 
convert that to vector first, then into shp?

Randy


On 10/11/2010 10:26 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> ogr2ogr can convert KML to Shapfile (and many other formats).  Here's a
> list of all the supported formats...
>
> http://www.gdal.org/ogr/ogr_formats.html
>
> The command line is something like...
>
> ogr2ogr -f "ESRI Shapefile" output.shp input.kml
>
> This is the python wrapper for the polygonize functionality...
>
> http://svn.osgeo.org/gdal/trunk/gdal/swig/python/scripts/gdal_polygonize.py
>
> It comes packaged with the RPMs in EPEL, if RHEL or CentOS is your
> thing.
>
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 10:09 -0600, Randy Cosby wrote:
>> Thanks Brian, Kristian,
>>
>> I'll have to check out Splat! some time soon.  My process involved
>> converting the Radiomobile overlay into a raster (svg) in Inkscape, then
>> convert that to KML.  I can't remember off the top of my head how I did
>> it, but I was able to preserve the gps coordinates of the shape through
>> the conversions.  My primary need was to create interactive Google maps
>> (ie: your home can be served by ap1, ap3 and ap4, with ap1 being the
>> closest).  There are a number of apps for converting from KML shapes to
>> .shp files, just haven't had a chance to experiment with them yet.
>>
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>> * KML2SVG: http://kml2svg.free.fr/index3.php
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Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?

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  Thanks Brian, Kristian,

I'll have to check out Splat! some time soon.  My process involved 
converting the Radiomobile overlay into a raster (svg) in Inkscape, then 
convert that to KML.  I can't remember off the top of my head how I did 
it, but I was able to preserve the gps coordinates of the shape through 
the conversions.  My primary need was to create interactive Google maps 
(ie: your home can be served by ap1, ap3 and ap4, with ap1 being the 
closest).  There are a number of apps for converting from KML shapes to 
.shp files, just haven't had a chance to experiment with them yet.

* Inkscape: http://inkscape.org/
* KML2SVG: http://kml2svg.free.fr/index3.php

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Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?

[Randy Cosby]

 Brian,

Any tips on turning radiomobile coverage overlays into shape files?  
I've been playing with some open source tools and have made a little 
progress, but haven't had time to refine the technique yet.  I think if 
ISPs could produce shape files more easily, the response would be much 
greater.   For our state program (Utah), we gave them gps coords  for 
each subscriber, which they used to extrapolate approximate area.  I 
know they also accepted radiomobile graphic overlays and converted them 
for some ISP's.  Of course they have millions of dollars to spend on 
such projects...  I was disappointed with how few did submit this round.


Randy

On 10/11/2010 8:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:


I have been thinking that I should do another update to the WISP 
National Map. I would really love to improve the quality of the 
coverage area this time. The thought is to have each WISP who 
participated in their respective state broadband mapping initiative 
request a copy of the shape file for their network. If everyone sent 
that information to me I could use that to create a better nationwide map.


Thoughts, ideas, complaints?

For those who are not familiar with my previous work on this project 
you can visit these links:


http://www.wirelessmapping.com/National-Coverage-Map-for-Fixed-Wireless-ISP%27s.php 
this page describes the project


http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm this links to the 
live Google Map




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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespace Questions (channels and equipment)

[Randy Cosby]

 I have not had time to read up on TVWS much yet, but just had a 
thought over the weekend.  Wouldn't it be easy to adapt DOCSIS to TVWS?


Randy


On 9/25/2010 1:53 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

Looks like the cable companies are very worried about this situation.

http://www.cabletechtalk.com/white-spaces/



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On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:39 PM, "Scott Carullo" 
mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:


I read the whole FCC document regarding what channels can be used.  
In one section it talks about fixed wireless under channel 21 but 
then in the decision section under that it just made the general 
statement that channels under 21 could not be utilized.  I only 
breezed through the document once.  Can someone answer the question 
of exactly what channels/frequencies are available for use assuming 
that all channels are free from other operators and none adjacent.  
Once the list of possible candidate channels are listed the available 
ones for use in a particular area can be further refined by removing 
all the utilized and adjacent channels to the ones utilized -- 
leaving only ones that can actually be used.


Next question to add - it would appear that there are currently no 
devices that can operate in TV WS due to the FCC requirement to A) be 
certified for use in this band and B) they require the devices to 
broadcast an identifying set of info for location / identity purposes 
which will need to be incorporated into the wireless protocol I would 
imagine.  Is this correct, there are no devices on the market in the 
US that are legal to use at this time


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[WISPA] CNN "Super Wi-Fi" article

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  This makes it sound like we're going to get what we want, that it's a 
slam dunk. Am I reading it wrong?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/innovation/09/14/fcc.super.wifi/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
 


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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video

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 Notice how they blur the faces?

Respect for the dead.  RIP.

Randy


On 9/15/2010 9:37 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:


Makes my palms sweat just watching it

WTF isn't he tied off? What an idiot

- Jerry

*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson

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*Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Climb video

Mikrotik posted this on their Facebook post.  I don't see the guy 
clipping off or a safety climb so don't do as he does (unless I missed 
the safety portion).


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Re: [WISPA] [IMPORTANCE LEVEL: HIGH] TV Whitespaces Support Letter Template

[Randy Cosby]

 How long does it typically take for these to show up when submitted?  
I put one in this morning (and didn't bother to record the confirmation 
number), but don't see it there yet.


Randy


On 9/13/2010 3:12 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:


*UPDATE:  WISP Filing updates are beginning to show up in the FCC 
database.  Good job and thank you to those who have filed.  Go to 
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment_search/input?z=vd7pb and search 
for 04-186 to read other WISP comments.  More importantly, get your 
comments filed pronto.  The deadline is September 16, 2010.  We need a 
good showing from the WISP industry to substantiate the importance of 
our industry in the decision making process.  This is not about WISPA, 
it is about your future and the WISP industry.*


All WISPs,

This week, WISPA filed comments on the TV Whitespaces once again.  The 
FCC is set to make decisions on this crucial topic very soon.  It is 
imperative for all operators to take a few minutes and file individual 
comments to the FCC about Unlicensed use of the TV Whitespaces 
spectrum this week.  Please don't procrastinate as the timeline is 
fairly short.


I have attached a template support letter that Jack Unger has written 
to make your support and comment filing easier.  Jack, Steve Coran and 
the FCC committee has worked hard for several years and especially in 
our recent filing.  We need to support their hard work efforts and 
produce a mass support campaign to give the WISPA filing even more 
credibility.  WISPs need more spectrum and we need spectrum that will 
penetrate foliage and other obstacles.  This is our opportunity and 
essentially our obligation to stand up for our needs before this 
crucial decision is made.  The WISPA filing can be read at 
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020911589.


Please customize the attached template letter with your company 
information and if you want to add additional "local" flavor, it is 
accepted.  The FCC staff will read each letter and register the 
support for the WISPA filing to assist them in making this tough 
decision.  We have received excellent comments back from the FCC, 
other trade associations and manufacturers about this filing and now 
our membership and industry participants need to stand up and be 
counted as well.


Once you have customized the letter, please make a .pdf copy or a .doc 
file and upload it at the following website. 
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc.  If you choose 
not to use the WISPA template letter but want to write your own 
comments, you can either follow the previous procedure or use the 
Express filing method at 
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=nc5cd.  The proceeding 
number is 04-186.


I cannot stress how important this is for each WISP company to do.  I 
hope to search the filings Monday morning and find 1000 or more new 
comments supporting the WISPA filing.  Take the time and "git r dun" 
before your busy work schedule begins again Monday morning.


Respectfully,

*Rick Harnish*

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WISPA

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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

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 How many towers do you have, and how much did that cost?

Randy


On 9/8/2010 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Brian did Earth and Maps from our site, inxwireless.com/coverage 
<http://inxwireless.com/coverage>


On Sep 8, 2010 5:37 PM, "Cameron Crum" <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:


If you are looking for a real GIS platform, I'd highly recommend 
Manifold. It is very inexpensive for what it does, and can handle 
formats from just about every other GIS platform. If you don't want 
the learning curve, I'd talk with Brian Webster over at 
wirelessmapping.com <http://wirelessmapping.com>. He can probably 
generate the files you need in no time and the time savings would be 
well worth whatever it costs you.


Regards,

Cameron


On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Bob Moldashel <mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>> wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti

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  We're running a few hundred customers on Mikrotik PTMP and use it for 
most of our backhauls.  I really like the programability of the tiks, 
and we use the API's extensively.  I just don't have problems and they 
outperform my expectations, but it does take a bit of a learning curve.

Really really looking forward to trying PTMP with TDMA in the tiks.  I 
use WDS so have to wait for them to get that working (nstreme v2 in beta 
now).

Randy


On 9/3/2010 3:15 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> I'll weigh in here, I have almost an equal mix of Ubiquiti and Mikrotik
> I'll detail each plus put a summary analogy for these and Motorola at
> the end of my email.  One of the things that jumps out on me is how raw
> Mikrotik is, if you want to be able to write every filter, detail every
> part of the packets, and throughput, it is a very robust piece of
> equipment.  I use it as my primary backhauls and about 70% of my AP's
> other than a few "that shouldn't happen" problems they perform
> admirably. I keep adding filters as traffic presents itself but help and
> training is very expensive and extraordinarily technical On my backhauls
> when one Mikrotik goes down its not unusual for the foul traffic to
> permeate throughout (yes I'm bridged) the network and take down other
> Mikrotik's and often requires a drive to reboot then they work fine
> again, irritating, yes but still great equipment.  I was 90% Mikrotik
> until Ubiquiti came along.
>
>Ubiquiti is a monster for power and throughput, it's menus are basic
> but filters entry options are slim and limited to IP rather than by
> protocol so some things sneak through that wouldn't with Mikrotik.  As a
> backhaul they do seem to ignore foul traffic so I'm assuming Ubiquiti
> entered a bunch of filters by default because these units just don't go
> down, ever.  Their user table as an AP is not very friendly, limited to
> MAC without a description line so we have to look everyone up by MAC
> now.  I have integrated Ubiquiti for all of my 5 Gig customer AP's and
> kept Mikrotik for 2.4 just because its not necessary to replace working
> radios.  The "M" format is amazing and has moved us up a notch in
> delivery capability, oh and it's cheap as hell so I can afford to deploy
> twice as fast as before.
>
> I promised an analogy so here goes, I feel from experience that Mikrotik
> is the Linux of equipment, you better know what you're doing when you
> buy it.  Motorola is the Apple of equipment, do what they say and pay a
> ton and you'll get a near-flawless product that you have almost no
> control over, you just won't be able to deploy very fast due to the
> cost.  Ubiquiti is like Windows, pretty GUI driven, and simplified at a
> reasonable cost.
>
> Forbes Mercy
> President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
> forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
>
> On 9/3/2010 1:50 PM, Data Technology wrote:
>> I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax Rocket now
>> instead of Mikrotik.
>>
>> I would like to know how they compare:
>>1. As a point to point link.
>>2. As an access point.
>>
>> Right now I only use Mikrotik for links and AP's and I use Ubiquiti for cpe.
>>
>> I am ready to install equipment on a new tower and was thinking about
>> Using AirMax Rocket for AP to take avantage of MIMO.  I know Rocket will
>> be cheaper but I don't know how they compare to a MT411AH as far as the
>> amount of bandwidth and packets they can process.
>>
>> I am leaning towards  MT on the links and Rocket for AP.
>> I am concerned about the plastic cases.  I really like having the boards
>> in a metal enclosure so it can be grounded and shielded well.  I know I
>> have had problems with lightening popping the ethernet port on the
>> Ubiquiti units even when they are grounded.  With MT I can put ethernet
>> surge protection in the enclosure.
>>
>> What are you guys seeing in the real world as the performance and
>> reliability of Rockets?
>>
>> Any do and don'ts would be greatly appreciated here.
>>
>> Thanks and have a great Labor Day.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti

[Randy Cosby]

  LaRoy,

I'm waiting to see how Nstreme (TDMA) v2 compares on the Mikrotik.  So 
far it looks very promising, and could give UBNT a run for the money.  
UBNT has the price advantage, but not as much configuration-ability nor 
can you choose to use cheap or high quality enclosures.

Randy


On 9/3/2010 2:50 PM, Data Technology wrote:
>I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax Rocket now
> instead of Mikrotik.
>
> I would like to know how they compare:
>   1. As a point to point link.
>   2. As an access point.
>
> Right now I only use Mikrotik for links and AP's and I use Ubiquiti for cpe.
>
> I am ready to install equipment on a new tower and was thinking about
> Using AirMax Rocket for AP to take avantage of MIMO.  I know Rocket will
> be cheaper but I don't know how they compare to a MT411AH as far as the
> amount of bandwidth and packets they can process.
>
> I am leaning towards  MT on the links and Rocket for AP.
> I am concerned about the plastic cases.  I really like having the boards
> in a metal enclosure so it can be grounded and shielded well.  I know I
> have had problems with lightening popping the ethernet port on the
> Ubiquiti units even when they are grounded.  With MT I can put ethernet
> surge protection in the enclosure.
>
> What are you guys seeing in the real world as the performance and
> reliability of Rockets?
>
> Any do and don'ts would be greatly appreciated here.
>
> Thanks and have a great Labor Day.
>
> LaRoy McCann
> Data Technology
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Re: [WISPA] Note of support for the WISPA Regional Meeting

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Putting my Chamber of Commerce hat on... How about St. George, UT? :)

or V E G A S :)

Randy


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> I think we should start the chant now Randy...
>
> VEGAS...
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>> Colorado?
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Re: [WISPA] Note of support for the WISPA Regional Meeting

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Are there plans for other regional meetings - like in Utah, Vegas or 
Colorado?

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Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

[Randy Cosby]

And when the FCC comes knocking, you can always point to the other guy 
and say "but he's worse!"

Or not...


Randy


On 6/23/2010 3:59 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
> That's a basic question.
>
>   From one consultant to another... the maximum legal access point EIRP
> on 5.8 GHz is +36 dBm.
>
> What individual WISP operators actually do in practice is anybody's guess.
>
> The majority of WISP operators are mature, responsible people. They
> strive to do the right thing and to obey the law to the best of their
> ability.
>
> A minority of WISP operators (unfortunately, our industry has its share
> of "bad apples") take pride in their disdain for anybody or anything and
> seem to revel in telling other people to go to hell.
>
> Best of luck to you,
> jack
>
>
>
> Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
>
>> I'm just a little confused about some of these nice-looking access
>> points.  The UBNT Rocket M5, for instance, can put out +27 dBm.  It
>> plugs *right into* a nice 19dB sector antenna.  Okay, the smaller,
>> 120 dB sector is only 16 dB.  Now math is not really my thing but I
>> get a total ERP there of +43 to 46 dBm.
>>
>> FCC Rule 15.247 states that the maximum transmitted power output for
>> digitally-modulated intentional radiators in the 5725-5850 MHz band
>> ("ISM") is 1 watt, and the maximum antenna gain is 6 dBi.  Each
>> additional dB of antanna gain means one less dB of power.  So the
>> maximum ERP is 4 watts (+36).
>>
>> Point-to-point is an exception in that specific band; it is allowed
>> unlimited antenna gain.  But "point-to-multipoint systems,
>> omnidirectional applications, and multiple co-located intentional
>> radiators transmitting the same information" are under the cap.
>>
>> So am I correct in assuming that everybody who uses the Rocket M5, or
>> any other similar PtMP system for subscriber access, turns the
>> transmitter power REAL low (~+20 + feedline loss), in order to keep
>> the ERP below +36?  Or are we assuming that since you're technically
>> only transmitting and receiving to one end user at a time, it's really PtP?
>>
>> SkyPilot's legal hack, of course, is to have eight 45 degree sector
>> antennas and only use one at a time, so it is legally PTP even with
>> +42 EiRP. And with advanced 11N 4x4 beamforming antennas, something
>> like that will become relatively easy.  But we're not quite there
>> yet.  Thoughts?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

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Tranzeo just announced GPS for their 5.8 Wimax.



On 6/14/2010 10:44 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
> RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS.
> RedConnec AN-80i don't.
> Is the 3.65 solution  based on RedMAX or AN-80 ?
>
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> Rubens
>
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> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson
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>
>> Redline 3.65?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
>>
>> Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp

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Sheesh you guys, you're scaring him AND making fun of his name.  Welcome 
to the club :)


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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

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Someone needs to build that into the Mikrotik.

On 5/26/2010 11:53 AM, Robert West wrote:
> The genius of that is indescribable.
>
> It's one thing to fight them off but to simply allow them access then to
> mess with them.  Priceless.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:43 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>
> Making images appear upside-down is more fun:
> http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html
>
> Rubens
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
>> For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of "Virus".  The
>> attempts to connect have dropped considerably.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>>
>> ...a little OT, but, after being party to all the "free" craziness of
>> Earthlink, etc. just the title "Free Public Wi-Fi" makes me break out in
>> hives...
>>
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> Aperto Networks
>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>>
>> I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.
>>
>> I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the "Free
>> Public WiFi" ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on
>> the Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they
>> can only connect to a AP in the future.  But the "Free Public WiFi" SSID
>> still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.
>> I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how
>> to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)
>>
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>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] MT PtP

[Randy Cosby]

FWIW I've been very pleased with the R52HN.



On 4/28/2010 8:30 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Have you used the r5h?  The r52n is very disappointing.
>
> On 4/28/10, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>
>> What 350mw card are you using? I wouldn't use anything less than XR5 or R5H
>> because their receive sensitivity is so much better. Plus you will use MMCX
>> connectors with these two cards which is going to save you a lot of
>> headaches over u.fl. Also definitely turn on N-stream. I had a link that was
>> bouncing around between 75-90% ccq and couldn't ever get it up higher than
>> that. As soon as I turned on N-stream my ccq went to 100/100%. And
>> modulation locks itself at 54/54 all day long.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
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>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:23 AM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] MT PtP
>>
>> I want to setup an MT point to point using two MT 411 boards, 350mw cards
>> and a 23db rootena. Distance is 7km. Is there anything I need to tweak or
>> watch out for? New to MT. I have setup a basic link and tested in the
>> office.
>>
>> Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Part 15 Operation in the 10500 - 10550 Mhz

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It appears the first paragraph covers why we haven't seen this in use:

/(a) Operation under the provisions of this section is limited to
intentional radiators used as field disturbance sensors, excluding
perimeter protection systems.
/
Skimming through OET, I see lots of radar detectors, some golf bar 
radars, swing speed radars, traffic sensors, etc.

http://tinyurl.com/3y33xmw

If you scroll down a bit in the code to section 15.247, it covers the 
frequencies and uses we are more familiar with.


*

*On 4/17/2010 12:46 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> It appears that 10500 to 10550 falls under Part 15
>
>
>
> http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=47&PART=15&SEC
> TION=245&TYPE=TEXT
>
>
>
> Can it be used for PTP? Like 24 Ghz?
>
>
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[WISPA] Qwest buyout

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http://news.qwest.com/centurylinkqwestmerger

*MONROE, La. and DENVER, Co. -- April 22, 2010* -- CenturyLink 
(CenturyTel, Inc., NYSE: CTL) and Qwest Communications (NYSE: Q) 
announced today that their boards of directors have approved a 
definitive agreement under which CenturyLink will acquire Qwest in a 
tax-free, stock-for-stock transaction. ...

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

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Tom,

What fixes have you seen in 5 for Wireless-N? Or did I mis-read this?

Randy



RandyAnd they are not the only ones For example, I'm amazed at how far
> Mikrotik has come, considering feature rich for the dollar.
> (Note: MIkrotik released new Firmware, a 5 vers, does not list any wirelessN
> fixes, but it looked like it added a couple relevent and desirable fixes.)
>
> Tom DeReggi
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeremy Parr"
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
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>
>
>> On 13 April 2010 11:52, MDK  wrote:
>>  
>>> Did you do a throughput comparison?
>>>
>> It was mostly a joke, but I'll bite. A throughput comparison is not
>> fair, since they both just leverage someone else's chipset. My point
>> was simply that if a low end wifi based product had these features 10+
>> years ago, why the hell does UBNT see fit to release something today
>> that is shiny and fast, but lacking core functionality. I guess the
>> market demands cheap.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Randy Cosby]

Travis,

Do you have a link to the article, or to a list of upgrade areas?

Thanks,

Randy


On 4/7/2010 7:02 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
> will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
> their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
> "upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40 megabytes
> per second".
>
> The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
> That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.
>
> Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
> Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
> or 5 provider choices.
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[WISPA] Form 477

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I know it's not Form 477 panic season, but I am just working on a few 
items in my database to get a cleaner count next time, and I ran across 
something I had not noticed before.

http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477tutorial.pdf

On page 26, it instructs:

"Include census tracts within your defined service territory (see 
instructions) that have no broadband customers.
   - Enter "0" in any cell that permits connections and also in the 
corresponding cell for percentage residential"

Anyone doing this?  This goes beyond what we've been doing, and would 
seem to require some more advanced coverage mapping to not only find our 
existing customers by census tract, but also all census tracts we CAN 
serve.  I believe this same data is what he broadband mapping folks will 
be looking for as well.

I guess I need to go "see instructions" to find out what exactly 
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

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day, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA
>>> Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of
>>> Engineering
>>> and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C.
>>> to discuss the status of WISPA's TV Whitespaces filings.
>>>
>>> The following Members represented WISPA. Ryan Spott, Alex Phillips, John
>>> Scriver, and Jack Unger. The WISPA Team was assisted by Steve Coran of
>>> Rini/Coran LLC in Washington.
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>>> All Team Members made valuable contributions to the effort and we all
>>> feel
>>> that the meeting went well. Our goal was to ask the FCC take favorable
>>> action soon on WISPA's Petitions to adjust the TV Whitespace rules by
>>> making
>>> corrections to several problem areas, thereby making WISP use of the
>>> Whitespaces more practical and more successful.
>>>
>>> I'm attaching a more detailed report (.doc file) and also the official
>>> written filing (PDF) that WISPA is required to make after every meeting
>>> with
>>> the FCC. A copy of our FCC PowerPoint presentation is also required to be
>>> part of our written filing. To easily view our presentation, please
>>> rotate
>>> the attached PDF clockwise 90 degrees in your Adobe Reader viewer.
>>>
>>> Your questions and constructive suggestions are always welcome.
>>>
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[WISPA] census tracts changing?

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Just curious if the census tracts change with the new census this year?  
Will our data we've compiled for the Form 477 still be valid next go-around?

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[WISPA] Cisco Buys Wimax Smartgrid company

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Cisco Systems has been scouting for major plays in the Smart Grid 
infrastructure arena for about a year --- some analysts even speculated 
that it would buy wireless networking provider Silver Spring Networks 
<http://silverspringnet.com/>. But today, it announced its decision to 
go with <http://www.grid-net.com/pr-2010-03-25> Grid Net 
<http://www.grid-net.com/>, one of the first and only companies to 
trumpet WiMAX as the ultimate solution for transmitting data between 
utilities and smart meters.

http://green.venturebeat.com/2010/03/25/cisco-buys-into-wimax-for-smart-grid-acquires-stake-in-grid-net/

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Re: [WISPA] Trango 5830 AP going deaf

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My experience has been the same.  They are getting old and don't keep up 
with the young kids so well, but they are solid. I've had 2 fail so far 
- one with a heater issue and this one.



On 3/20/2010 5:42 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Overall our Trango APs have lasted very long, been super reliable, more
> reliable than any other product we have ever used. Many going on 10 years
> now, without a blip.
> But, for the few that have failed, one of the commom symptoms is going deaf.
> It can be hard to troubleshoot because at first, they'll just get lower RSSI
> for a short period usually at peak Sun/heat time, and get stronger at night.
> The exact same symptoms occur when there is random noise. The noise
> resulting in 5-10 db loss, and full strength comes back when noise is gone.
> So sometimes the only way we know its the radio was to replace the AP, and
> see if the same problem occurs. Or relocte the AP, and see if it has the
> same random symptoms. In some cases, the APs go deaf, and CPEs see them with
> RSSI but cant associate because APs cant hear them.
>
> I dont have an exact number, but I know I can count the total failure over
> 10 years on fingers of one hand, with a finger or two to spare. So it does
> not happen often. But its one reason I tend not to want to buy used APs.
> You'd have no way to test if it was flaky before putting it in the field for
> a while..
>
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango 5830 AP going deaf
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>> That is the classic sign of a mid path lightning strike.
>> Kind of like looking at a nuclear explosion with field glasses.
>> It probably hit somewhere closer to the AP than the clients.
>>
>> We had a strike in the middle of a lake... it got the AP and all the
>> clients all around the lake shore, not the Backhaul though because it
>> was a narrow beam  pointed up at a mountain not down at the water.
>> That really sucked.
>>
>>
>> On 3/19/2010 2:10 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
>>  
>>> Anyone ever seen a Trango 5830 AP go deaf?  I have one that was showing
>>> RSSI from AP to SU at 10 to 13db higher than SU to AP.  Same on all
>>> channels, vert or horiz polarity.  Cruddy linktests as well.
>>>
>>> Thought I might have a bad noise problem, but replacing the AP fixed it.
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Re: [WISPA] Trango 5830 AP going deaf

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Mostly SU to AP.



On 3/19/2010 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Cruddy linktests as well.
>>  
> Both ways or just from SU to AP?
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> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Randy Cosby  wrote:
>
>> Anyone ever seen a Trango 5830 AP go deaf?  I have one that was showing
>> RSSI from AP to SU at 10 to 13db higher than SU to AP.  Same on all
>> channels, vert or horiz polarity.  Cruddy linktests as well.
>>
>> Thought I might have a bad noise problem, but replacing the AP fixed it.
>>
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[WISPA] Trango 5830 AP going deaf

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Anyone ever seen a Trango 5830 AP go deaf?  I have one that was showing 
RSSI from AP to SU at 10 to 13db higher than SU to AP.  Same on all 
channels, vert or horiz polarity.  Cruddy linktests as well.

Thought I might have a bad noise problem, but replacing the AP fixed it.


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[WISPA] Trango Apex Cacti template

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Anyone have a Cacti template for a licensed Trango Apex link?

thanks,

Randy

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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

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Thanks.  Now, on the Motorola 320, for example, the ASN gateway is not 
part of the picture, correct?



On 3/18/2010 1:59 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Randy Cosby  wrote:
>
>> For us WiMAX neophytes, could you explain the ASN gateway and why it's
>> on your list of things you don't want?
>>  
> An ASN gateway sits between the Radio Access Network (where there are
> only tunnels from the base station to the ASN GW) and the Core
> Services Network, where the traffic seen is the user traffic. You can
> see a better explation with diagrams in:
>
> http://www.tutorialspoint.com/wimax/wimax_network_model.htm
>
> ASN gateways are usually expensive, as are the BSC (Base Station
> Controllers) that have a similar role in cellular networks. What Pure
> Wave is doing is something that was once know as "Profile B" where the
> base station could work without an ASN gateway. Navini gear before
> Cisco also worked like this, which is very similar to what an Wi-Fi
> Access-Point usually does.
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> In larger networks ASN gateways are essential to scaling the network
> and the ones I've tested were pretty good. I just don't want to pay
> the price of them.
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

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imulus dollars to trickle into the
>>>>>>>>> WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So
>>>>>>>>> Aperto Networks -- the
>>>>>>>>> 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 5
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE)
>>>>>>>>> PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective
>>>>>>>>> immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> 17 dbi integrated
>>>>>>>>> (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and
>>>>>>>>> 3.65 GHz
>>>>>>>>> with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one,
>>>>>>>>> same price.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO?
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

[Randy Cosby]

Can someone clarify, is the Motorola 320 MIMO out of the box?  Is it two 
(or more) antennas in the same polarity?

Randy


On 3/18/2010 1:23 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> I have to admit if MIMO is made available in the 3.65 range I'm going to
> use it in my city.  I've been catering to my rural customers because 2.4
> and 5GHZ isn't clogged out there.  We already have a 3.65 license but
> haven't deployed it yet, I anxiously await the MIMO gear on that frequency.
>
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[WISPA] Spectrum Dashboard

[Randy Cosby]

Have I missed a discussion on this already?  Wish the regular FCC site 
searches were as fast at this one.

http://reboot.fcc.gov/reform/systems/spectrum-dashboard


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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

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In my limited toe-dipping into 802.16d (fixed) wimax, the biggest 
challenge I see is with the EMS-based control.  It's just a completely 
different model than what we're doing with all-in-one AP's now.  I don't 
yet completely understand how it works, but it concerns me a bit that 
each company has their own EMS (or whatever they choose to call it) that 
will not interoperate with other Wimax vendors' EMS, base station, etc.  
Maybe the EMS is a good way to go, so we don't have to invent so many 
for our current very customized networks..  Just a different way of 
thinking.

Anyone deployed something small like a Tranzeo or small Aperto base station?

On 3/17/2010 7:27 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 21:07 -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>
>> Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ?
>>  
> "Sold on"...not me.  "Recognize that there ARE some benefits"...YES!
>
>
>> I am not sure what this gives us over say ... a Fixed system except
>> higher pricing for equipment and a product that does not go as far...
>>
>> I could be wrong - guess its time for an education
>>
>> anyone know the benefits of WiMax?
>>  
> I will leave most of the sales guys that man these lists, but there are
> a number of benefits to WiMAX that make it a better solution than simple
> polling or tdma approaches.  First thing to remember is that WiMAX was
> designed specifically for the way we use our networks.  That is, outdoor
> where we will see noise AND where all stations to not see each other.
> There were a number of issues that WiMAX addresses revolving those 2
> issues specifically.
>
> Secondly, WiMAX has built in QOS on the air interface.  That is HUGE.
> The ability to have true QOS on that part of the network where protocols
> that need the least latency will get it, regardless of where they fit in
> the "polling order" as it were.  The details here are astonishing and
> worth reading if you truly have an interest in answering the question
> "why should I be interested in WiMAX".
>
> Having pointed out just one or two of the many benefits of WiMAX, I will
> say that I am not completely convinced that it is the cat's meow.  There
> are a number of networks that do not need these benefits, given the
> cost.  I won't reopen the "good enough network" argument, but the fact
> is that for many of us (most perhaps), polling or tdma is sufficient for
> the networks that we run and the cost of WiMAX makes it such that the
> cost is greater than the value.
>
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements

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Maybe I read too much into it, but here it he language I was referring to.
*
Radio stations must be licensed by the FCC pursuant to 47 U.S.C. S: 301.
*The only exception to this licensing requirement is for certain
transmitters using or operating at a power level or mode of operation that
complies with the standards established in Part 15 of the Commission's
rules. Nonlicensed operation pursuant to Part 15 of the FCC's rules,
however, is conditioned upon compliance with all applicable regulations in
the subpart. 47 C.F.R. S: 15.1(b). All intentional radiators, such as your
U-NII device, operating pursuant to Part 15 of the FCC's rules must be
certified for use as a Part 15 device. 47 C.F.R. S: 15.201(b). The
Motorola Canopy device, model # 5700BH20, FCC ID ABZ89F-C5804, is not
authorized for use on frequency 5.60 GHz. Accordingly, you are not in
compliance with the requirements of Part 15 of the FCC's rules. Therefore,
your operations must be licensed by the FCC.*The FCC has no record of a
license being issued to you to operate a transmitter on 5.61 GHz from your
location.*Thus, this station is operating in violation of 47 U.S.C.
S: 301.

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html

On 3/15/2010 12:16 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
> I don't recall hearing or reading that but I don't have a photographic 
> memory (at least not anymore). Can you cut and paste a copy of the 
> language that you are referring to?
>
> Randy Cosby wrote:
>> In the enforcement letters, it mentions licensing some of the 5.4
>> frequencies.  Is that really even an option?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> On 3/13/2010 9:50 AM, Jack Unger wrote:
>>
>>> That requirement was done several years ago to avoid military radars.
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>>  
>>>> If this radar operates at 5600-5650 why does the FCC now require the DFS on
>>>> 5300mhz ???
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>> WAVELINC
>>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>> 419-562-6405
>>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org   [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Jack Unger
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:42 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Cc: WISPA's FCC Committee
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
>>>>
>>>> Eric,
>>>>
>>>> That is a very responsible position to take.
>>>>
>>>> The database doesn't exist yet. Final definition and creation of it is
>>>> being worked on right now by the Industry Group (Motorola, Cisco,
>>>> Atheros, Intel, WISPA and others).
>>>>
>>>> WISPA and the FCC Committee will be helping with industry outreach and
>>>> education so we will alert you (and as many other operators as possible)
>>>> on-list when there are major developments and when the database is ready.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know which TDWR site you are near and I'll find out what
>>>> frequency they are using so you can remain 30 MHz away from it.
>>>>
>>>> jack
>>>> (Chair - WISPA FCC Committee)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric Rogers wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jack,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Who do I contact to get on the list?  I am like 5 miles from one of the
>>>>> TDWR radar sites.  We are using Motorola 5.4 with 9.5 so it supposedly
>>>>> has more updated signatures.  I would rather get on the list voluntarily
>>>>> than they find me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org   [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Jack Unger
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:00 PM
>>>>> To:nstooke...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The FAA and NTIA want all outdoor operators to 1) verify if within 35
>>>>> km, 2) if within 35 km, register your equipment and contact information
>>>>> in a (voluntary) database so they know who to contact if there is an
>>>>> interference problem, and 3) use 

Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements

[Randy Cosby]

icensed users
>>>
>>> Lessons I get from them...
>>>
>>> 1) Stay off the 5.4GHz band
>>> 2) Keep your EIRP down
>>> 3) Check your installations for out of band emissions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across
>>> these:
>>> 
>>> http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html
>>> 
>>> http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html
>>> 
>>> http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html
>>> 
>>> Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can
>>> happen.
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios

[Randy Cosby]

Ignore my question - I've been out of the office and didn't read the 
responses that already answered it.



On 3/15/2010 10:27 AM, Randy Cosby wrote:
> Excellent news.  Do you know if there is an easy way now to see where
> the TDWR radars are (for curiosity's sake)?
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 3/11/2010 3:56 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>
>> Randy,
>>
>> The 5 GHz equipment approval process is currently on hold at the request
>> of the FAA and the NTIA. Airport Terminal Doppler Weather Radars (TDWR)
>> operate in the 5.6 GHz range and have been experiencing interference
>> from current 5475-5725 MHz equipment. Because of this interference, a
>> new Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) algorithm is being developed to
>> allow newly-certified equipment to detect and avoid nearby TDWR radar
>> systems. Until the new algorithm is developed and the FCC certification
>> process re-started, there will be no new outdoor 5.4 equipment certified.
>>
>> To allow recertifications to restart before the new algorithm is
>> developed and implemented, the wireless industry has been meeting with
>> the FCC, FAA and NTIA. The FAA and NTIA agreed to allow 5 GHz outdoor
>> equipment certifications to be restarted if the industry would provide a
>> database that allowed an operator to a) See if their outdoor base
>> stations are within 35 km of one of the airport TDWR sites, and b) If
>> within 35 km, voluntarily register their equipment type and contact
>> information in the database. Each airport TDWR site uses one frequency.
>> Operators are requested to maintain a minimum 30-MHz center-to-center
>> frequency separation away from the single frequency used by the
>> neighboring TDWR.
>>
>> If/when TDWR interference does occurs, the voluntary database should
>> help the FCC to contact the operator of the equipment that may be
>> causing the interference and request a frequency change or request that
>> the one nearby TDWR frequency be excluded from the DFS channel search list.
>>
>> Once the new TDWR-aware algorithm is ready for incorporation into new 5
>> GHz equipment, this database is expected to slowly become obsolete as
>> the older equipment is retired.
>>
>> WISPA's FCC Committee is working with the industry group (Motorola,
>> Cisco, Atheros, Intel, etc.) as well as with the FCC, FAA and NTIA to
>> help find a solution to this TDWR-interference problem. We'll provide
>> more information when significant developments occur.
>>
>> Jack Unger
>> WISPA FCC Committee Chair
>> 818-227-4220
>>
>>
>> Randy Cosby wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios
>>> for short backhaul links.  Off the top of my head, I can remember:
>>>
>>> Tranzeo TR-5A
>>> Trango TrangoLINK-45
>>> Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well)
>>> Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600
>>>
>>> Any others I'm not aware of?  Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N
>>> radios certified in 5.4.  Anyone working through the approval process
>>> (ligowave?).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>  
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Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios

[Randy Cosby]

Excellent news.  Do you know if there is an easy way now to see where 
the TDWR radars are (for curiosity's sake)?

Randy


On 3/11/2010 3:56 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
> Randy,
>
> The 5 GHz equipment approval process is currently on hold at the request
> of the FAA and the NTIA. Airport Terminal Doppler Weather Radars (TDWR)
> operate in the 5.6 GHz range and have been experiencing interference
> from current 5475-5725 MHz equipment. Because of this interference, a
> new Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) algorithm is being developed to
> allow newly-certified equipment to detect and avoid nearby TDWR radar
> systems. Until the new algorithm is developed and the FCC certification
> process re-started, there will be no new outdoor 5.4 equipment certified.
>
> To allow recertifications to restart before the new algorithm is
> developed and implemented, the wireless industry has been meeting with
> the FCC, FAA and NTIA. The FAA and NTIA agreed to allow 5 GHz outdoor
> equipment certifications to be restarted if the industry would provide a
> database that allowed an operator to a) See if their outdoor base
> stations are within 35 km of one of the airport TDWR sites, and b) If
> within 35 km, voluntarily register their equipment type and contact
> information in the database. Each airport TDWR site uses one frequency.
> Operators are requested to maintain a minimum 30-MHz center-to-center
> frequency separation away from the single frequency used by the
> neighboring TDWR.
>
> If/when TDWR interference does occurs, the voluntary database should
> help the FCC to contact the operator of the equipment that may be
> causing the interference and request a frequency change or request that
> the one nearby TDWR frequency be excluded from the DFS channel search list.
>
> Once the new TDWR-aware algorithm is ready for incorporation into new 5
> GHz equipment, this database is expected to slowly become obsolete as
> the older equipment is retired.
>
> WISPA's FCC Committee is working with the industry group (Motorola,
> Cisco, Atheros, Intel, etc.) as well as with the FCC, FAA and NTIA to
> help find a solution to this TDWR-interference problem. We'll provide
> more information when significant developments occur.
>
> Jack Unger
> WISPA FCC Committee Chair
> 818-227-4220
>
>
> Randy Cosby wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios
>> for short backhaul links.  Off the top of my head, I can remember:
>>
>> Tranzeo TR-5A
>> Trango TrangoLINK-45
>> Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well)
>> Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600
>>
>> Any others I'm not aware of?  Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N
>> radios certified in 5.4.  Anyone working through the approval process
>> (ligowave?).
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>

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[WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios

[Randy Cosby]

I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios 
for short backhaul links.  Off the top of my head, I can remember:

Tranzeo TR-5A
Trango TrangoLINK-45
Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well)
Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600

Any others I'm not aware of?  Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N 
radios certified in 5.4.  Anyone working through the approval process 
(ligowave?).


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Re: [WISPA] Anyone gotten a 3.65 license lately?

[Randy Cosby]

Are you applying for a license, or a new location on an existing license?



On 3/9/2010 8:53 AM, ralphlists wrote:
> How long is the FCC taking these days for a new license?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from Propel Software for WISPAmembers

[Randy Cosby]

Jpegs and pngs are another area that they compress.  You can re-compress 
these images quite a bit.  They look uglier, but it saves quite a bit of 
the size.  Is it worth it?  I'm not too excited.

Randy


On 3/8/2010 11:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Almost all HTTP content is gzip'ed already.  I doubt any compression
> above that is going to be worth the CPU time cost.
>
> Even if the software was free, who would support the people who are
> terrified to install anything at all?
>
> On 3/9/10, Scottie Arnett  wrote:
>
>> If you really check into it, it is a data compression deal. Much like
>> zipping up the data with winzip before it crosses the data layer. I really
>> do not see how it can help with broadband in any sense. I used to use the
>> same type deals on dial-up.
>>
>> Scottie
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "David E. Smith"
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List
>> Date:  Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:56:22 -0600
>>
>>  
>>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 13:45, Marlon K. Schafer
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> OK, this looks interesting.  It would be nice to drop the amount of data
>>>> across especially busy parts of the network!
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else used this or something similar?
>>>>
>>>>  
>>> This looks a lot like the dialup accelerator software packages that were
>>> all
>>> the rage several years ago. I'd just about bet Propel's service requires
>>> software to be installed on the customer's PC. Assuming that's the case,
>>> you
>>> won't be able to install it on a Netflix box or a PS3 or basically anything
>>> that's not a standard desktop computer. Thus, depending on your customer
>>> base, you may not see all that much traffic reduction.
>>>
>>> We have something similar, from another vendor. It works well enough,
>>> though
>>> we were marketing it primarily towards dialup users; at the time (several
>>> years ago) the effects on a 1Mbps connection were negligible. This probably
>>> has changed over time, but our vendor wanted a crazy amount of money to
>>> sell
>>> us an update that would be compatible with Windows Vista, so we haven't
>>> really tested it in quite a while.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Another on line geocoder and tract mapper (not free but reasonable prices).

[Randy Cosby]

What we really need is a way to standardize addresses in Platypus, then 
add the census info (and why not GPS coords) to that.  Anyone tried a 
project like that?

Randy


On 2/20/2010 3:46 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
> I found another on line geocoding service (http://www.geocode.com/) that
> seems to have reasonable rates and is run by TeleAtlas. TeleAtlas is one of
> the premiere geocoding data sources in the US. This is the data set most of
> the on line mapping systems use to resolve address information to a set of
> coordinates. As I have mentioned in other emails, the accuracy and quality
> of the results will be greatly affected by the standardizations of your
> street address information as compared to the official USPS recognized
> address database (and RR address information is very hard to deal with, if
> you can add zip+4 it will work better). With their desktop software tool
> they will return the census tract and block information as part of the
> results. The tool will attempt to standardize the address information.
>
> TeleAtlas publishes a very nice document that shows the output formats and
> describes the address geocoding methods and the specific details on
> standardization of street address data. Well worth a read for those
> interested in cleaning up their customer address databases for more
> successful mailings and/or mapping of their customer locations.
> http://www.geocode.com/documentation/USA_Geo_002.pdf
>
>
> Thank You,
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

[Randy Cosby]

Brad,

I had one thought last night I hadn't considered before.

My unit is a 100Mbps unit, so Cat5e POE was workable. At 200Mbps, you'll 
need GigE I assume.  This will require all 4 pairs for data.  You'd need 
more cable for power.  At worst you'll need two separate cables, but 
it's still workable.

Randy


On 2/18/2010 11:25 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
> Before I decide on trying Randy's idea, is there anyone that happens to have
> a DragonWave Air-Pair outdoor cable they're willing to part with?
>
> It looks like Tessco and Hutton are special order only.  If anyone has a
> cable they are willing to sell let me know.  I think we've got one cable
> that is long enough for one side, but I need another cable for the other
> side.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Brad Belton
> BelWave Communications
> O:  817-737-3124 #101
> F:  817-336-7031
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...
>
> We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another
> used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs.   I would
> think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>
>> Hello Randy,
>>
>> Ha!  Very interesting.  How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each
>>  
> side
>
>> of the link?  At what power level do you have the radios set to?
>>
>> Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way
>> inside to the outdoor designed IDU.  This would limit the length of the
>> proprietary cables to a minimum.  The question I have if we do this is:
>> Will the outdoor IDU be able to power&   operate the ODU over the 50'-200'
>>  
> of
>
>> LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do?
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
>>  
> feedback...
>
>> Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...
>>
>> If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port
>> inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.
>> We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system
>> - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf
>> and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power +
>> ethernet up on one cable.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Hello Kristian,
>>>
>>> Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too
>>>
>>>
>> small
>>
>>  
>>> for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers
>>>
>>>
>> some
>>
>>  
>>> manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of
>>>
>>>
>> basic
>>
>>  
>>> field requirements.
>>>
>>> The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on
>>>
>>>
>> a
>>
>>  
>>> job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom
>>> DragonWave bundled cable.  It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these
>>>
>>>
>> custom
>>
>>  
>>> cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail!
>>>
>>> Thanks for the information.  I've got some more reading to do before we
>>> decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
>>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
>>>
>>>
>> fee

Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

[Randy Cosby]

We don't have it up yet (another long story - but we won't buy another 
used Dragonwave on Ebay), but they will be pretty short runs.   I would 
think you should be able to get up to 300ft without a problem.

Randy


On 2/16/2010 12:33 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
> Hello Randy,
>
> Ha!  Very interesting.  How long were your Ethernet cable runs on each side
> of the link?  At what power level do you have the radios set to?
>
> Another idea we had was to run the LMR400 cable from the ODU all the way
> inside to the outdoor designed IDU.  This would limit the length of the
> proprietary cables to a minimum.  The question I have if we do this is:
> Will the outdoor IDU be able to power&  operate the ODU over the 50'-200' of
> LMR400 we may need rather than the 3'-4' of LMR400 it was intended to do?
>
> Thanks for the feedback!
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:32 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...
>
> Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...
>
> If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port
> inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.
> We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system
> - http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf
> and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power +
> ethernet up on one cable.
>
>
>
> On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
>
>> Hello Kristian,
>>
>> Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too
>>  
> small
>
>> for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers
>>  
> some
>
>> manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of
>>  
> basic
>
>> field requirements.
>>
>> The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on
>>  
> a
>
>> job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom
>> DragonWave bundled cable.  It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these
>>  
> custom
>
>> cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail!
>>
>> Thanks for the information.  I've got some more reading to do before we
>> decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and
>>  
> feedback...
>
>> On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any
>>> feedback from those that have deployed these.  The good, bad and ugly.
>>>
>>>
>> We have a few Horizon Compact links.  They've done very well except for
>> when we get weird high/low pressure systems that result in a layer of
>> fog in our valley that sits at about ~150ft.  The DW engineer called the
>> effect ducting.  We enabled AAM in an attempt to counter the affects,
>> but the AAM code was apparently buggy in the version we had.  So instead
>> of stabilizing the link, it made it much, much worse.  So make sure you
>> get the latest firmware if you can.
>>
>>
>>  
>>> We'll probably need new cable sets for each end as well, so to any
>>> DragonWave vendors on the list please feel free to send me an email with
>>> prices on cable length options.
>>>
>>>
>> The Horizon Compact units have unfriendly ethernet connectors as well.
>> Something along the lines of this...
>>
>> http://www.connecticc.com/default.aspx?page=item%
>> 20detail&itemcode=JTRJ45-12NXL
>>
>>
>>  
>>> I sure hope their new Horizon radios don't require these BS proprietary
>>> cables like the Air-Pair radios.  What a pain in the tail...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -Kristian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
> 
>
>> 
>> WISPA Want

[WISPA] Phonetic alphabet...

[Randy Cosby]

Last week my partner walked up to the front desk to hear our 
receptionist trying to be "one of the boys" by reading out the spelling 
of a word using the phonetic alphabet (ie: alpha, tango, foxtrot).

"Butterfly, Butterfly, Lettuce" is all he heard before he had to turn 
around and walk away before cracking up.





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Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...

[Randy Cosby]

Since your unit is out of warranty anyway...

If you open the unit up, you will find that there is an ethernet port 
inside it, as well as a power port, connected to that proprietary plug.  
We replaced that with a Pacific Wireless RJ45 ethernet connector system 
- http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/RJ45-ECS_datasheet-v2.pdf  
and peeled the power off that.  We were then able to push power + 
ethernet up on one cable.



On 2/16/2010 6:31 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
> Hello Kristian,
>
> Those connectors are similar to what the Trango Apex uses that are too small
> for an armored outdoor CAT5 cable.  It's a shame the product engineers some
> manufacturers use/have to design their products are so imperceptive of basic
> field requirements.
>
> The inherited DragonWave AirPair radios that we're contemplating using on a
> job have the proprietary round DIN style plug attached to a custom
> DragonWave bundled cable.  It looks like Hutton and Tessco have these custom
> cables in a variety of lengths, but what a pain in the tail!
>
> Thanks for the information.  I've got some more reading to do before we
> decide on deploying these radios or just to punt them on EBay.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for DragonWave Air-Pair cables and feedback...
>
> On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 12:32 -0600, Brad Belton wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> We've inherited a DragonWave Air-Pair radio set and I'm looking for any
>> feedback from those that have deployed these.  The good, bad and ugly.
>>  
> We have a few Horizon Compact links.  They've done very well except for
> when we get weird high/low pressure systems that result in a layer of
> fog in our valley that sits at about ~150ft.  The DW engineer called the
> effect ducting.  We enabled AAM in an attempt to counter the affects,
> but the AAM code was apparently buggy in the version we had.  So instead
> of stabilizing the link, it made it much, much worse.  So make sure you
> get the latest firmware if you can.
>
>
>> We'll probably need new cable sets for each end as well, so to any
>> DragonWave vendors on the list please feel free to send me an email with
>> prices on cable length options.
>>  
> The Horizon Compact units have unfriendly ethernet connectors as well.
> Something along the lines of this...
>
> http://www.connecticc.com/default.aspx?page=item%
> 20detail&itemcode=JTRJ45-12NXL
>
>
>> I sure hope their new Horizon radios don't require these BS proprietary
>> cables like the Air-Pair radios.  What a pain in the tail...
>>  
>
>
> -Kristian
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

[Randy Cosby]

Luke,

You might also want to take a look at the SAF Teknica (sp?) 11Ghz links. 
I think there are a couple distributors who sell them now, including 
3-db.net.  They are very big in Europe and many other countries, and I 
believe a couple people on the list have some and are quite happy with 
them.  If I recall correctly, 3-db was also offering some extended 
warranties on them that were pretty crazy good.

Ligowave has a new 11ghz unit out too, their second attempt in the 
licensed space.  They are split-units though, and I'll be waiting until 
I hear from other guinea pigs before I order one.  I was disappointed 
last time around when they didn't ship after waiting way too long.

Randy


On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:
> We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
> looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
> system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
> licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's "real-world"
> experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
> and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
> I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
> however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
> hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.
>
> Thanks all!
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz BH comparison-

[Randy Cosby]

The one I have up works fine.  There are quirks in the firmware, but no 
show-stoppers.  Inband management is still a work in progress.  Don't 
particularly care for the fiber port cover design, but if you're using 
copper, it's fine (unless you use extra-large / heavy ethernet that may 
not fit).

Randy


On 2/11/2010 4:28 PM, Luke Pack wrote:
> We have quite a few Dragon wave 11Ghz links deployed right now.  We are
> looking at another path of 11Ghz now and have come across the apex
> system by Trango.  We use the Trangolink45s on many links off the
> licensed path currently.  I'm looking for people's "real-world"
> experience with the Trango Apex  system (since they are relatively new)
> and a contrast of this system to the Horizon Compacts from Dragonwave.
> I know their implementation is similar to that of the horizon units
> however, what seems to be the Apex failure rate, software features,
> hitless adaptive modulation success, etc.
>
> Thanks all!
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Randy Cosby]

dnesday, February 10, 2010 1:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The same way they have made money from the beginning.  Giving it all
>>>> away
>>>> for free!!!  At least on the front end of things..
>>>>
>>>> Google makes money in reverse and LOTS of it.  Trust me, my man, Google
>>>> is
>>>> no brainless bunch.  There is a lot of money in "Free".  I'm sure they
>>>> have
>>>> an angle to make the big bucks off of it and at the same time presenting
>>>> themselves as the benevolent Google that is adored by everyone
>>>> worldwide.
>>>> Well, except maybe the Chinese who Google censored.  Oh, and possibly
>>>> the
>>>> rest of the world including the US if Google teams up with the NSA as
>>>> last
>>>> reported..  But still, just a bunch of friendly helpful guys out to
>>>> give
>>>> it all away for free!
>>>>
>>>> Bob-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:07 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>>>>
>>>> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>>>>
>>>> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
>>>> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>>>>
>>>> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
>>>> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
>>>> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
>>>> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
>>>> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
>>>> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
>>>> the Web.
>>>>
>>>> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
>>>> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>>>>
>>>> end of article
>>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_netw
>>>> ork
>>>>
>>>> sounds very dot commy to me:
>>>> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
>>>> make money giving it away?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
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>>>> Argon Technologies Inc.
>>>> POB 875
>>>> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
>>>> 903-455-5036
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Randy Cosby]

One other factor to consider.  On Google's existing fiber nets, how much 
of that traffic is outbound, how much is inbound?  Likely they are a 
mirror image of our usage.  They have tons of extra capacity available 
on the inbound side just waiting to be used.


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Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

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>>>>  
>> sides
>>  
>>>> are happy with the performance of his show.
>>>> Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit
>>>> sharing.   They put in the money and the manpower, they get the profit,
>>>>  
>> if
>>  
>>>> there is any.   Our goal in this is to build up our membership numbers
>>>>  
>> and
>>  
>>>> leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word out
>>>>  
>> about
>>  
>>>> WISPA and get people to the show so we can turn them into members.
>>>> This is going to end up similar to our agreement with ISPCON, but we
>>>> will
>>>>  
>>  
>>>> have more say in the structure and educational parts of the show.
>>>> Also,
>>>>  
>>  
>>>> it should cost us little or no money.
>>>> Matt Larsen
>>>> vistabeam.com
>>>> Marlon K. Schafer writes:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>> Hi Matt, In the end I still think we should have our own show. How
>>>>> clear
>>>>>
>>  
>>>>> will it be made to Ed's group that we'll still be working to our own
>>>>>
>> show
>>  
>>>>> at a later date? Also, how are we going to insure that we don't end up
>>>>> with the same problem we did with Charles for his first show?  Where
>>>>> there is no profit to split?
>>>>> marlon - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists"
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> After our visits with the people interested in the trade show and
>>>>>> evaluating our options, Forbes and I are making the decision to work
>>>>>> with Ed Meek's group to help promote their wireless show, with WISPA
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> one of the "anchors" of the show.
>>>>>> The details are yet to be worked out.   What has been discussed so far
>>>>>> is that WISPA will be featured prominently in the promotional efforts,
>>>>>> we will provide the educational tracks for the wireless broadband
>>>>>> section of the show and we will have considerable influence on what
>>>>>> events, speakers and specialized sessions (ISP-CEO type discussions)
>>>>>> will be conducted as part of the show.   We will also be able to
>>>>>> re-start the WISPA awards and present them at the show.There was
>>>>>> also a discussion about substantial discounts for WISPA members to
>>>>>> attend - enough to highly incentivise attendees to join WISPA before
>>>>>>  
>> the
>>  
>>>>>> show.
>>>>>> Rather than putting on our own show, we will play a large part in this
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Re: [WISPA] LigoWave PTP MiMo Radios

[Randy Cosby]

I don't think they exist in the sales channel yet, just with some beta 
testers.


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> Anyone have any experience/comments about these units:
>
> LigoPTP 5-N MiMo
> LigoPTP 5-23 MiMo
>
> Any comments would be appreciated.
>
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Re: [WISPA] wind turbine

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Got the AirBreeze unit apart this morning.  As my kids would say... Epic 
Fail!

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On 1/18/2010 9:11 AM, Randy Cosby wrote:
> Thanks Scott.
>
> If we can't get this one fixed, I'll be placing an order soon.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 1/18/2010 9:04 AM, Scott Parsons wrote:
>
>> Those turbine can operate open loop so the controller just disconnects the 
>> battery from the turbine when the battery is fully charged.
>> It doesn't hurt the turbine to operate with no load.
>> Regards,
>> Scott
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>
>> What does happen when the battery is fully charged if you do not have a dump 
>> load with the tycon turbines?
>>
>> Scott Parsons   wrote:
>>
>>
>>  
>>> Randy,
>>>
>>> You don't need a dump load with the Tycon Power Systems turbines. It's
>>> just an option. Some folks like to dump any extra power (after the
>>> batteries are fully charged) off to a heater or other load.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Chuck Profito
>>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:33 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>>
>>> Has anybody used Swift 's ?  quiet and small but I have no idea how
>>> they hold up in extreme weather.
>>> But I think the one that's coming on hard is Flow Design's.  Way too
>>> big for us now, but if they ever get their head out of the clouds, they
>>> could be a real contender for small home and commercial turbines.
>>> IMHO, Keep a close eye on this one.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:12 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>>
>>> Good feedback.  The air breeze came off the mountain just before I left
>>> for AF, so I haven't taken it apart yet.  Smelled a bit toasty though.
>>>
>>> Anyone tried the Tycon Power systems turbine yet?  Obviously will need
>>> an external controller and load dump.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/15/2010 9:59 AM, MDK wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80.
>>>>
>>>> I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge
>>>> better in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every
>>>> year to 18 months.
>>>>
>>>> My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>> Each
>>>
>>>
>>>> time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess.   Each time a
>>>>
>>>>  
>>> storm
>>>
>>>
>>>> came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just
>>>>
>>>>  
>>> reverted
>>>
>>>
>>>> back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave
>>>> me a new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze.
>>>>
>>>> What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of
>>>>
>>>>  
>>> others
>>>
>>>
>>>> that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look
>>>> them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power
>>>>
>>>>  
>>> output.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> From: "Randy Cosby"
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM
>>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>> Anyone using 

Re: [WISPA] wind turbine

[Randy Cosby]

Thanks Scott.

If we can't get this one fixed, I'll be placing an order soon.

Randy


On 1/18/2010 9:04 AM, Scott Parsons wrote:
> Those turbine can operate open loop so the controller just disconnects the 
> battery from the turbine when the battery is fully charged.
> It doesn't hurt the turbine to operate with no load.
> Regards,
> Scott
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>
> What does happen when the battery is fully charged if you do not have a dump 
> load with the tycon turbines?
>
> Scott Parsons  wrote:
>
>
>> Randy,
>>
>> You don't need a dump load with the Tycon Power Systems turbines. It's
>> just an option. Some folks like to dump any extra power (after the
>> batteries are fully charged) off to a heater or other load.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck Profito
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:33 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>
>> Has anybody used Swift 's ?  quiet and small but I have no idea how
>> they hold up in extreme weather.
>> But I think the one that's coming on hard is Flow Design's.  Way too
>> big for us now, but if they ever get their head out of the clouds, they
>> could be a real contender for small home and commercial turbines.
>> IMHO, Keep a close eye on this one.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:12 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>
>> Good feedback.  The air breeze came off the mountain just before I left
>> for AF, so I haven't taken it apart yet.  Smelled a bit toasty though.
>>
>> Anyone tried the Tycon Power systems turbine yet?  Obviously will need
>> an external controller and load dump.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> On 1/15/2010 9:59 AM, MDK wrote:
>>  
>>> I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80.
>>>
>>> I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge
>>> better in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every
>>> year to 18 months.
>>>
>>> My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days.
>>>
>> Each
>>  
>>> time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess.   Each time a
>>>
>> storm
>>  
>>> came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just
>>>
>> reverted
>>      
>>> back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave
>>> me a new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze.
>>>
>>> What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of
>>>
>> others
>>  
>>> that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look
>>> them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power
>>>
>> output.
>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Randy Cosby"
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas?  We had a Southwest
>>>> wind power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds.  Are 5 or
>>>> 6-blade turbines going to handle high wind better?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Randy Cosby
>>>> Vice President
>>>> InfoWest, Inc
>>>>
>>>> 435-674-0165 x 2010
>>>>
>>>> http://www.infowest.com/
>>>>
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>>>> Maxwell
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] wind turbine

[Randy Cosby]

What does happen when the battery is fully charged if you do not have a dump 
load with the tycon turbines?

Scott Parsons  wrote:

>Randy,
>
>You don't need a dump load with the Tycon Power Systems turbines. It's just
>an option. Some folks like to dump any extra power (after the batteries are
>fully charged) off to a heater or other load.
>
>Scott
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Chuck Profito
>Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:33 AM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>
>Has anybody used Swift 's ?  quiet and small but I have no idea how they
>hold up in extreme weather.  
>But I think the one that's coming on hard is Flow Design's.  Way too big for
>us now, but if they ever get their head out of the clouds, they could be a
>real contender for small home and commercial turbines.  IMHO, Keep a close
>eye on this one.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:12 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>
>Good feedback.  The air breeze came off the mountain just before I left 
>for AF, so I haven't taken it apart yet.  Smelled a bit toasty though.
>
>Anyone tried the Tycon Power systems turbine yet?  Obviously will need 
>an external controller and load dump.
>
>Randy
>
>
>On 1/15/2010 9:59 AM, MDK wrote:
>> I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80.
>>
>> I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge better
>> in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every year to 18
>> months.
>>
>> My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days.
>Each
>> time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess.   Each time a
>storm
>> came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just
>reverted
>> back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave me a
>> new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze.
>>
>> What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of
>others
>> that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look
>> them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power
>output.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Randy Cosby"
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>
>>
>>> Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas?  We had a Southwest wind
>>> power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds.  Are 5 or 6-blade
>>> turbines going to handle high wind better?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Randy Cosby
>>> Vice President
>>> InfoWest, Inc
>>>
>>> 435-674-0165 x 2010
>>>
>>> http://www.infowest.com/
>>>
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>>> Maxwell
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Re: [WISPA] wind turbine

[Randy Cosby]

Good feedback.  The air breeze came off the mountain just before I left 
for AF, so I haven't taken it apart yet.  Smelled a bit toasty though.

Anyone tried the Tycon Power systems turbine yet?  Obviously will need 
an external controller and load dump.

Randy


On 1/15/2010 9:59 AM, MDK wrote:
> I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80.
>
> I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge better
> in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every year to 18
> months.
>
> My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days.Each
> time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess.   Each time a storm
> came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just reverted
> back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave me a
> new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze.
>
> What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of others
> that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look
> them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power output.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Randy Cosby"
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine
>
>
>> Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas?  We had a Southwest wind
>> power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds.  Are 5 or 6-blade
>> turbines going to handle high wind better?
>>
>> -- 
>> Randy Cosby
>> Vice President
>> InfoWest, Inc
>>
>> 435-674-0165 x 2010
>>
>> http://www.infowest.com/
>>
>> "Letting off steam always produces more heat than light." - Neal A.
>> Maxwell
>>
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[WISPA] wind turbine

[Randy Cosby]

Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas?  We had a Southwest wind 
power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds.  Are 5 or 6-blade 
turbines going to handle high wind better?

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Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

[Randy Cosby]

Thanks for all the tips guys.

I'll definitely be doing it better next time.

Randy

On 1/12/2010 10:11 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Nothing actually has to be done to seal it because, Trango includes a
> rubbery gel sleeve that compresess between the passsthru metal plate and the
> case, with a tight fitting hole. In most cases that can be good enough.
>
> But to answer your question it depends what Fiber cable type and Power type
> you use.  We generally dont run a dedicated power cable through that same
> hole as fiber. We power the radio through one of the CAT5 ports, which has a
> great paththrue grommit type. That way its one less cable to run, and we get
> a redundant data path to the radio. The radio can be POE powered from either
> CAT5 port. There are reasons that you might choose the management vs data
> CAT5 port, dependant on the circumstances.
>
> (It should be noted that both teh data and fiber port can be both used as
> seperate PVLANs, if desired)
>
> So when just fiber going through the Metal base plate, there is not much to
> seal, UNLESS you do not have fiber cable adequate to survive the elements.
> What we often do is we use 3ft of  Flex tubing from the APEX to an outdoor
> junction box, and then patch in fiber there. It can be a hassle finding a
> cheap outdoor junction box. (So we made our own, for half the cost.)
>
> If using direct buriel multi-pair Loose tube, you can run the cable to the
> outdoor junction box and terminate with a fan out kit to a LC jack patch
> panel.  Then use a short patch cable to extend to the APEX.
> This type install is rock solid, once its done. But its a pain working with
> Fan-out kits on a windy dirty roof. (If on a tower should probably be done
> on ground first, but on roofs it would not fit through access holes in walls
> and such)
>
> There is also indoor/outdoor Fiber that has an overall outer layer, and then
> each inner layer also has its own individual outer jacket. This type cable
> is cheaper, and can have LC connector connected directly to it, without the
> hassle of a Fanout kit. This cable is also significantly thinner, and can
> fit through APEX passthrough. In these cases, the cable can be run directly
> into the APEX without any junctions inbetween.
>
> We always run Fiber that has two pair (two tx and two rx) so if one fiber
> breaks, there is an immediate spare. There is room to slip both pair with
> conectors inside the APEX, I think.
>
> It should be noted that Indoor and Outdoor fiber are not the same. It is not
> just to prevent physical breaks from getting stepped on, or Firecode/UV of
> sleeve. The mor important issue is that it has a different Temperature
> rating for Cold.  If you use indoor fiber outdoor in cold, it can crack
> internally due to cold. It should be noted that allthough Outdoor fiber and
> Fan-out kits will often have a different part number for its outdoor temp
> rated version. But most patch panels and stuff wont have an outdoor temp
> version.
>
> So, fo this reason, sometimes people perfer to put the fiber inside Flex, so
> its one more level of temperature insulation. Actually we use something
> called Liqui-tight, the grey stuff tthat can be bought just about anyware
> like HomeDepot.
>
> We debated for quite a while, whether we should use sealed FC type
> connectors inside the outdoor enclosure. The outcome was LC patch panels
> were easier to find, and LC patch panels will survive the elements just fine
> in most cases.
>
> As well, its also possible to run long fan outkits, and just run the thin
> inner fibers up through the 3ft of Liqui-tight to the APEX. That will
> survive the elements, if using outdoor temp version. BUT we chose NOT to do
> that because we were afraid that if we performed maintenance and needed to
> disconnect the fiber from the APEX, that the weight of the liqui-tight might
> break the fiber or pull loose from connector, if not careful.
> That is why we used a patch panel inside the Junction box, and patch cables
> to the APEX.
>
> We rarely ever run Conduit the whole fiber cable path, its to much of a
> pain. We'd rather use a fiber cable that is of a type that wont easilly
> break. But depending on your install location, you may disagree for your
> situation.  But if you use conduit for the run,  we recommend Liqui-tight,
> its not all that expensive and is easy to run, because you just carry it up
> in the spool.
>
> If you are worried about water intrusion, but dont want to use conduit, you
> can just cut a 6-10" peice of liquitight and screw that to the APEX base
> plate. (They make adapter to integrate to that size I think)
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>

[WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

[Randy Cosby]

Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link.  Wondering what everyone does to 
seal up that port.  The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / 
power port to metal conduit.  Do you run conduit all the way back to the 
base?  Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting 
on the end?  Use flex?  Just curious.

I used a threaded metal 3/4" sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango 
AP compression fitting.  It's a little heavy though, and I worry about 
the little screws that hold the 3/4" threaded base plate getting 
stripped out.

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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

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Do you want to do MPLS in the future?

On 1/11/2010 10:24 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for 
> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port units, 
> Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Scott
>
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