Re: [WISPA] Commission Sales

[Bret Clark]

You really need to offer something weekly even if it's small...most 
people have bills to pay.


On 07/03/2014 11:32 AM, John Thomas wrote:
Normally sales people will work off a base + commission. Sometimes the 
base is a draw, or partial commission in advance.


/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/


Carl Shivers  wrote:

I went to a presentation on marketing and sales at WispAmerica. One of 
the topics discussed was your sales force. Both presenters recommended 
the use of sales on a strict commission basis. So, we decided to give 
it a try and hire a sales person to work off of commission for all of 
our ISP products.


So far, after running ads in the local newspaper, we have been unable 
to find this type of sales person. I was wondering if any of you had 
recommendations or  information on how you found a commission sales 
person.


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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Bret Clark]

What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of 
spectrum...[/sarcasm off]


On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:


I hope the links at the bottom come through.

---

Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power 
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless 
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom 
Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.


Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded 
the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet 
customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began 
deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast 
has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots.


While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it 
needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers 
for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other 
automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver 
next-generation connected car applications, including applications 
that would warn drivers of collision threats.


Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible 
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  "We have 
been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders 
who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any 
risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices… But we're not 
there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get 
there," Kenney said in his prepared testimony.


For more:
- see Nagel's prepared testimony 
 (.pdf)
- see Kenney's prepared testimony 
 (.pdf)
- see Comcast blog post 

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Re: [WISPA] iPerf as a Real-World Performance Simulation Tool

[Bret Clark]

On 11/12/2013 09:15 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
> Careful using FTP as, particularly on fast links, you may find yourself
> measuring disk IO instead.
>
>
If you can exceed modern day disk I/O on a wireless network...I'm 
impressed.

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Re: [WISPA] iPerf as a Real-World Performance Simulation Tool

[Bret Clark]

I've used it on a PI and found it to be very accurate.  Next to Iperf, 
put/get files from an FTP server provides good throughput measurements.


On 11/12/2013 02:49 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
Is it accurate using it on a Raspberry-pi? I was loading up my first 
one today to try out Iperf. Since someone on this thread mentioned 
'CPU', I was wondering if that would be an issue on a PI? Clocked at 
800Mhz..



On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


iPerf is very accurate in what it tells you. What you draw from
those conclusions may or may not be accurate.



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*Subject: *[WISPA] iPerf as a Real-World Performance Simulation Tool


Has anyone used iPerf before? I'm curious of your thoughts as to the
reliability, and how the results would map to a real-world
environment.
For example, a friend was testing some 3.65 radios (which had no
connection to the Internet) using iPerf. Based upon the iPerf
results, a
determination was made regarding maximum concurrent users per AP and
maximum aggregate bandwidth capacity of the radio. For the maximum
concurrent users I believe they tested this at several different
download and upload speed for the fictional users.

Having never used iPerf, I don't know if the results from their tests
(which were very poor by the way - much lower than common
configurations
of DL/UL rates as well as number of users per AP I've read many of
you
describing on these lists) map reasonably to what one would expect
from
a given AP, or if they tend to be wonky.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] question for the group

[Bret Clark]

That of course would imply that the FCC themselves were professionals 
and in my dealings with them I haven't found that to be the case!


On 09/19/2013 11:06 PM, Blair Davis wrote:

Oh boy!

IANAL...  That phrase 'Professional Installer' is likely the single 
most contentious thing the FCC has done in the last 20 years...


In general, it seems that as long as you follow the EIRP and frequency 
rules and don't cause interference to a licensed user, all is good.


OTOH, if you run way over the power limits, _/operate out of 
band/___or /_interfere with licensed users_/, they will, sooner or 
later, come find you.


Others have other opinions.

My opinion is that the terms 'Professional Installer' and ' 
Professionally Installed', have no real meaning as the FCC has, to the 
best of my knowledge, failed to define either term.


YMMV

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On 9/19/2013 10:53 PM, Chris Stradtman wrote:

Hi all,

Most of my work is done inside so I don't really deal with most of 
the WISP issues.


However I'm being asked by a client to do an outside install.  This 
is likely to be in the 5Ghz range.


I've found a reference to

"Devices must be professionally installed when operating in the 5470 
– 5725 MHz band"



I'm aware of avoidance of TDWR systems and the allowed and disallowed 
frequencies in that band.


However, I can't find reference to what is meant by a "Professional 
Installer".


Is there a licensing program that I can't seem to find by googling??

Thanks in advance,

Chris Stradtman


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Re: [WISPA] Fixed Wireless growing faster than Cable and DSL

[Bret Clark]

Well as they say about statistics...there is always one to prove any 
argument!


On 04/16/2013 11:07 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Damn statistics!

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013, Brian Webster wrote:

Remember when looking at stats like this that the cable and DSL
industries have been doing this a lot longer and have already
built up a large number of customers in a mature market. Say you
have 8 thousand customers, to get a 7.2% increase you would have
to add 576 customers. If you are a new fiber to the home or
wireless operator and have 500 customers, you only need to add 100
customers to get a 20% increase. A fixed wireless operator with
1000 customers would only have to add 120 new subscribers to get
that 12% increase.  If you look at the “year adds” column in this
article, the DSL industry had more than 4 million more new
customers than cable but only posted half the growth rate
percentage and still had over 9 million more new subscribers than
fiber to the home.

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com 

www.Broadband-Mapping.com 

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] *On
Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:51 PM
*To:* WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org )
*Subject:* [WISPA] Fixed Wireless growing faster than Cable and DSL


http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2013/04/world-broadband-users-reach-643-7-million-fuelled-by-fibre-optic-connectivity.html

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Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

[Bret Clark]

If trademark was a problem then you wouldn't be seeing a gazillion 
commercials from AT&T and Verizon touting their 4G networks. That's 
really becoming just an umbrella term anyways so it's best for us small 
guys to piggy back off of what consumers are becoming familiar 
withremember with what happen with WiMAX.


I find when presenting to business, the best reaction I get from 
executives who are technology challenged is when I say we deploy 
"Advance 4G fixed wireless services". They have no idea what the term 
actually refers to technically, but they've heard it used enough by 
Verizon and company to know it's probably a good thing...LOL.


Hell if anything WISPA networks are probably more 4G complain then AT&T 
or Verizon!


*Be based on an all-IP packet switched network.
*Have peak data rates of up to approximately 100 Mbit/s
*Be able to dynamically share and use the network resources to support 
more simultaneous users per cell.

*Using scalable channel bandwidths of 5–20 MHz, optionally up to 40 MHz.
*The ability to offer high quality of service for next generation 
multimedia support.


On 04/17/2013 09:37 AM, Brough Turner wrote:

Gino,
I don't think so..., at least not in the US.

There are many compound word registered trademarks that start or end 
with "4G" but the only active entry I find for "4G" by itself is this 
one which is not in the field of communictions:

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4006:6ydxa7.2.46

" Charmed.Com Inc." of Beverly Hills did register several graphics 
with "4G" in them back in 2000, but they let their registrations lapse.


"LTE" is a registered trademark of ETSI (not 3GPP).

Thanks,

Brough

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On 4/17/13 5:32 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:


4G is a trademark of the 3gppp…

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Bret Clark

*Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:23 AM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

Best to just stay with standard acronyms and say you're deploying 
technologies based on 4G or to expand a bit Fixed-4G 
technologies...let the Cell phone carriers do the marketing leg work 
while us little guys reap the benefits. Technically if your deploying 
802.11n then you meeting the majority of 4G technical requirements 
and most users have no clue what any of this means anyways so it's 
always best to employ the KISS principle.


On 04/17/2013 04:07 AM, Coenraad Loubser wrote:

+1 Loving FiWi.

("We use Wi-Fi to turn the industry on its head!")



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On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Jack Unger mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com>> wrote:

+1 for FiWi (for fixed wireless - the "broadband" is almost a given)

Pronounced "fy why"


On 4/16/2013 5:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

FiWi IMO

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 16, 2013 8:15 PM, "Jorge Santiago"
mailto:jscnetwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Gino, honestly that sounds weird! LOL

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Gino Villarini
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

So I was thinking that us as Wisp need a service acronym to
market… like WiFi,  4G, LTE and DSL….   And it hit me…

Fixed Wireless Broadband…

FiWi-B

Promunced feewee bee?

No?

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Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

[Bret Clark]

Best to just stay with standard acronyms and say you're deploying 
technologies based on 4G or to expand a bit Fixed-4G technologies...let 
the Cell phone carriers do the marketing leg work while us little guys 
reap the benefits. Technically if your deploying 802.11n then you 
meeting the majority of 4G technical requirements and most users have no 
clue what any of this means anyways so it's always best to employ the 
KISS principle.


On 04/17/2013 04:07 AM, Coenraad Loubser wrote:

+1 Loving FiWi.

("We use Wi-Fi to turn the industry on its head!")


Coenraad Loubser

WISH Networks (Pty) Ltd.
2nd Floor, Merriman Place, Cnr. Merriman & Bird Str, Stellenbosch, 
7600, ZA


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On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Jack Unger > wrote:


+1 for FiWi (for fixed wireless - the "broadband" is almost a given)

Pronounced "fy why"



On 4/16/2013 5:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


FiWi IMO

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 16, 2013 8:15 PM, "Jorge Santiago" mailto:jscnetwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Gino, honestly that sounds weird! LOL


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Gino Villarini
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

So I was thinking that us as Wisp need a service acronym
to market… like WiFi,  4G, LTE and DSL….   And it hit me…

Fixed Wireless Broadband…

FiWi-B

Promunced feewee bee?

No?

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g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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Re: [WISPA] DMCA infringent notices...

[Bret Clark]

On 03/16/2013 09:31 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
> The DCMA guidelines are pretty clear on the "notice and take down"
> requirements you have to fulfill to remain compliant yourself as the ISP.
> It's not a big deal in our experience.
>
>

Been awhile since we've gotten any, but I don't believe any ISP has a 
legal obligation or legally required to meet some compliance. Basically 
the same reason the phone company can't be sued when phone lines are 
used for illegal activity.

In any case we forward them on with a link to our AUP and call it a day.
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Re: [WISPA] Dealing with ice

[Bret Clark]

Anyone mention Ice Shields yet ;).

In a ice storm about month ago, ice was so bad that a chuck came off the 
tower, some how ricocheted off a tower leg and went through the roof of 
the hut! Missed our equipment, but not AT&T's stuff!


Been at this site for 8 years and this is first time I've ever seen 
that! Went up there the day after the storm and it sounded like WWII 
with all the ice cracking and falling off the tower...needless to say we 
didn't stay around long!!!


Bret

On 02/07/2013 03:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Seriously consider using RFArmor Shields
They will protect your radios / jumpers and improve performance.

:)

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Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:supp...@snappydsl.net
On 2/7/2013 3:08 PM, Troy Settle wrote:


I have a site that’s sitting at about 4500’ that took some pretty 
serious ice damage.


In short, we’re using UBNT’s antennas and the short jumpers that came 
with them.  Lost about a half-dozen of them during a recent storm, 
which really didn’t even qualify as an ‘ice storm.’


What can I do to help protect these jumpers from getting torn up by ice?

What was UBNT thinking when they put the RF connectors on TOP of the 
rockets?


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Re: [WISPA] Cogent?

[Bret Clark]

No problems and their 1st level tech support actually have a clue about 
BGP.

On 09/24/2012 06:46 PM, Victoria Proffer wrote:
> Love them~
>
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> Behalf Of Adam Greene
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> Subject: [WISPA] Cogent?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe.
> Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive
> or negative?
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Re: [WISPA] which one is better for short links?

[Bret Clark]

How short of a link are you looking at? Run the numbers first, bigger 
doesn't always mean better and you might find yourself having to turn 
down the radios so you're not screaming at each other.

On 09/23/2012 11:43 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 9/23/2012 06:17 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have noticed that lately many collegues are using Ubiquiti Nanobridge
>> M5 (the one with small parabolic dish) and the product is nice for the
>> signal (more or less).
>>
>> Unfortunately, I do not see in the *same price range*, the same product
> >from Mikrotik. The only thing that I see is "SEXTANT 5HnD" which is
>> declared to be 18dBi (much less that the 23dBi DECLARED by Ubiquiti)
> Antenna gain is almost entirely a function of size; with a dish, it's
> pretty straightforward.  The NM5 has 326 and 400 mm dish versions,
> for 22 and 25 dB nominal gain.  The Sextant is 250 mm; the SXT is 140
> mm.  Smaller dishes means less directivity and lower gain, but also
> less wind load and visibility.  Neither one is "better" in that
> regard; they're just different.  And they tend to price out a bit
> better than buying a radio and dish separately, but not by much.
>
>> What I do not like of Ubiquiti is that compared to mikrotik it has much
>> less features, for example no mac-ping/mac-telnet or multiple SSID (ok
>> you can have multiple SSID if you use the CLI and the linux command line
>> and maybe it will be implemented in the future)
>>
>> Therefore, I really wonder if those 18 vs 23 are real or just what you
>> think from your field experience.
> Those features are just software and have nothing to do with the gain
> of the antenna.  It's like comparing horsepower of a car's engine
> with the comfort of the seats.  Personally I don't think the radio
> unit itself should do more than pass along Ethernet frames
> transparently, and respond to management, but since everybody's
> working from a Linux kernel and that already has lots of other
> capabilities, people expect their radios to also be routers.
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Re: [WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless?

[Bret Clark]

I initially brought up the question because I have Verizon FiOS at home 
and not matter what time of the day can run a speed test to the same 
server and see my 30Mbps DN/15 Mbps up.


If I run and Iperf test between my FiOS connection and one of our 
wireless business customers with 10Mbps circuit...it nails the speed 
every time... iperf show 10Mbps up & 10Mbps down (we have a Linux server 
at the customers site).


Yet when that same customer runs the same speed.net test to the same 
speed.net server the results suck pretty much every single time!


I know the majority of test speed test are really based on algorithms 
that try to figure out what the potential speed of a circuit is and 
because our network is all wireless it just screws up the algorithms?


Bret

On 08/22/2012 01:00 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

http://www.speedtest.net/mini.php


On 08/21/2012 12:22 PM, Bret Clark wrote:
We mostly deal with business customer and guarantee bandwidth to 
customers. We validate the bandwidth using IPERF from a Linux server 
off of our BGP edge routers down to the customer and IPERF always 
shows the customer getting the bandwidth they signed up for.  We use 
QoS to control bandwidth and make sure to not oversubscribe any one 
linksmall ratios of 3:1.


Of course eventually at some point the customer runs one of those 
stupid bandwidth test on the Internet and the results are woefully 
inaccurate (not in our favor)...but  of course customers take the 
results as gospel. AAA!


It's not our internet connections, we have three 100Mbps BGP links 
and none of them run at more then 50% during peak loads.


Has anyone else found those Internet speed test to be woefully 
inaccurate? Or is something else going on that I'm missing?


Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Invoice from FCC Interstate TRS Fund

[Bret Clark]

And yes, you have to pay it.

On 08/19/2012 04:14 PM, Jahan Babadi wrote:


Calculated off of 499 A

On Aug 19, 2012 2:25 PM, "Chris Fabien" > wrote:


So do we have to pay this because we started offering VOIP service
recently? I don't think we've ever paid it before.


On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Chuck Hogg mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:
> They are the new administrator
>
> http://transition.fcc.gov/cgb/dro/trs.html/
>
> Search their name.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Chris Fabien
mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I've gotten a number of emails in the last few days from Rolka
Loube
>> Saltzer Assoc, t...@r-l-s-a.com  which
state "As the Administrator of
>> the Interstate Telecommunications Relay Service Fund (“TRS
Fund”) I am
>> writing to alert you that invoice 82925407121, with a balance of
>> $32.03 issued to your organization by the TRS Fund Administrator on
>> 7/27/2012, is due by 5:00 PM EST on 8/24/2012. Please make your
>> payment by this deadline."
>>
>> It continues to provide information on logging into their
portal and
>> making a payment.
>>
>> Is this legitimate or is it someone who pulled my info from the FCC
>> somehow and is sending a bogus bill in hopes I'll just pay it?
I have
>> heard other WISP mention similar scams on the list. We did just
start
>> filing 477&499 recently so maybe it's a legitimate expense I was
>> unaware of?
>>
>> Thanks for your input,
>> Chris Fabien
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[WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless?

[Bret Clark]

We mostly deal with business customer and guarantee bandwidth to 
customers. We validate the bandwidth using IPERF from a Linux server off 
of our BGP edge routers down to the customer and IPERF always shows the 
customer getting the bandwidth they signed up for.  We use QoS to 
control bandwidth and make sure to not oversubscribe any one 
linksmall ratios of 3:1.


Of course eventually at some point the customer runs one of those stupid 
bandwidth test on the Internet and the results are woefully inaccurate 
(not in our favor)...but  of course customers take the results as 
gospel. AAA!


It's not our internet connections, we have three 100Mbps BGP links and 
none of them run at more then 50% during peak loads.


Has anyone else found those Internet speed test to be woefully 
inaccurate? Or is something else going on that I'm missing?


Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity ... Stock Price .. News ...

[Bret Clark]

The stock is tanking because its current-quarter revenue outlook came 
29% to 37% below Wall Street estimates which is going to pressure 
revenue into future quarters. Stock prices are based on future earnings 
and not earnings of today which is why even though the company meet 
expectations investors are concerned that future revenue will support 
the stock value it was at before the announcement.


On 08/10/2012 11:59 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>> It's interesting that the stock tanked after they basically met or exceeded 
>> street expectations.
>>
> Hi Greg
>
> in some cases, not saying this is the case, it can happen that the more
> success has a product the faster the company will be out of the market.
>
> This can happen in situations where the company has a product that is
> destroying the market for everybody, itself too. So if a "market killer"
> (i.e. a product/service that kills the market) has an unexpected success
> it can also mean the end of the company.
>
> I will do an example: let's say that for the nature of the market, the
> number of sold items will be 1 million. All companies are selling at
> 100$ then one company steps in and sells at 10$. The market goes from
> 100millions to 10 millions so basically if your company can survive with
> only 10 millions this year that will mean it's nice, but what about next
> year? If the product is very good and there is no new cool feature next
> year in the next product, nobody will buy it and next year the market
> will be around zero. No margin to survive next year in this market
>
> Well I hope that is not the case for UBNT let's wait and see :)
>
> just my 2 Euro cents
> Paolo
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support

[Bret Clark]

Well that's pretty screwy if that's the case...not familiar with UBNT 
but something seems foo there!

The Tranzeo TR5a was the last product we used from Tranzeo that actually 
worked okay...the major thing I don't like about them through is the 
client didn't automatically sweep if you needed to do an emergency 
frequency change on the base.

On 07/31/2012 12:51 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> I am not sure it is.  I think the UBNT Noise Floor on their radios is not an 
> actual detected floor but a calculation.
>
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCSWIN / RC-WiFi
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
>
> why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus  wrote:
>
>> A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in
>> the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping,
>> reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in
>> and sent me a how-to.
>>
>> Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing.  I still use the
>> TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working
>> with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of
>> Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85.
>>
>> YMMV, Dave
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

[Bret Clark]

On 03/16/2012 11:27 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

That's what breakers are for - shorts.
GFCIs are for quick blows for things like dropping something in
water.   I still don't understand why it would be required in a tower
building.


I agree, there's  fuse panel, why the heck is a GFCI needed too at a 
tower site? Are you sure this is code? My guess is some inspector has 
completely misread the code and is applying house code to a tower site!
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Re: [WISPA] New Crown Castle Nightmare Developing

[bret clark]

We have good relationships with the local Crown rep people who have been 
good to work with, so no horror stories, but the start up fees to get on 
one of their towers is just ridiculous..I'm not an AT&T or Verizon with 
a gazillion $$$. I would probably do a lot more business with Crown, but 
only had 2 arms and 2 legs and they are long gone!



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I was told there would be a change at WISPALOOZA...after 6 weeks of 
negotiations, we walked away.  A friend of mine decommissioned a Crown 
site he was on.  They removed everything.  Some how a cable hanger was 
still there.  Crown is fighting with them to get them to pay back rent 
for that one cable hanger.  The claim was $14,000 in back rent and 
$4,000 to remove the cable hanger.  Each month that $14k increases.


Regards,
Chuck


On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


Looked at a Crown tower today - and remembered the horror stories.
Not interested unless there is a real change.

- Original Message -
*From:* Ralph 
*To:* 'WISPA General List' 
*Sent:* Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:13 PM
*Subject:* [WISPA] New Crown Castle Nightmare Developing

*I wish I could say nice things… I wish I could say nice
things.  But Mama told me that if I can’t say something nice,
don’t say anything at all.*

*I have a pretty good Crown Castle horror story developing.  I
will be glad to share the details if things do not get ironed
out, and quickly.*

**

*I will say that if you are considering it, do not get into a
contract with them. They still think we are all Cell Carriers
or Clearwire!*

**

**

*If the representative from the “Kinder, Gentler, WISPA member
Crown Castle” happens to be listening, I think he needs to
reply to me off list!*

**

**

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Re: [Wireless] List Test

[Bret Clark]

Please don't email so loudly...just drinking my first cup of coffee ;)!

On 02/19/2012 07:59 AM, DJ Anderson wrote:
> Hello is anyone out there?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Rime Ice?

[Bret Clark]

Interesting idea,
Bret

On 01/30/2012 03:04 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
Use Travis Johnson's method of putting a black thick mil trash bag on 
it...the blowing in the wind will shake loose any potential for rime ice.

Regards,
Chuck


On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Bret Clark <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:


Yeah, being in New England area we use Radome's on most of radios
on high locations, but this one would be on top of a ski mountain
and there are other cell phone provider antenna's up there covered
pretty think with rime ice. I know in general ice doesn't
attenuate 5Ghz too bad, but it looks like the build up can be
extensive here.  Started to look for heated radome's but again
came up empty. Might be one of those deals where we try it and see
what happens.

Bret


On 01/30/2012 02:02 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

With a radome, the ice shouldn't be too much of an issue unless
it gets really thick. I had some dished here in Texas that I did
not put radomes on, thinking that the one or two days of ice we
get a year would not matter. With about 1/2 inch of ice directly
on the end of the feed, my throughput went to nothing. I added a
radome and then next ice storm with about the same covering of
ice had no effect and my throughput remained constant. I would go
with a radome with even a possibility of ice.

Cameron

    On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bret Clark
mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:

Anyone have to deal with rime ice on antenna's? We need to
build a PTP link that will be on a top of a mountain that's
notorious for rime Ice. It would be a 5GHz link with sturdy
3ft radome but I'm not aware at what effect rime ice might
have on 5GHz signal if any? Googling hasn't really bought up
any decent info.

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Re: [WISPA] Rime Ice?

[Bret Clark]

Yeah, being in New England area we use Radome's on most of radios on 
high locations, but this one would be on top of a ski mountain and there 
are other cell phone provider antenna's up there covered pretty think 
with rime ice. I know in general ice doesn't attenuate 5Ghz too bad, but 
it looks like the build up can be extensive here.  Started to look for 
heated radome's but again came up empty. Might be one of those deals 
where we try it and see what happens.


Bret

On 01/30/2012 02:02 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
With a radome, the ice shouldn't be too much of an issue unless it 
gets really thick. I had some dished here in Texas that I did not put 
radomes on, thinking that the one or two days of ice we get a year 
would not matter. With about 1/2 inch of ice directly on the end of 
the feed, my throughput went to nothing. I added a radome and then 
next ice storm with about the same covering of ice had no effect and 
my throughput remained constant. I would go with a radome with even a 
possibility of ice.


Cameron

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bret Clark <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:


Anyone have to deal with rime ice on antenna's? We need to build a
PTP link that will be on a top of a mountain that's notorious for
rime Ice. It would be a 5GHz link with sturdy 3ft radome but I'm
not aware at what effect rime ice might have on 5GHz signal if
any? Googling hasn't really bought up any decent info.

Thanks,
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[WISPA] Rime Ice?

[Bret Clark]

Anyone have to deal with rime ice on antenna's? We need to build a PTP 
link that will be on a top of a mountain that's notorious for rime Ice. 
It would be a 5GHz link with sturdy 3ft radome but I'm not aware at what 
effect rime ice might have on 5GHz signal if any? Googling hasn't really 
bought up any decent info.


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Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers

[Bret Clark]

Also, the only way we could solve the issue since BAE wasn't willing to 
corporate was to go in horizontal polarity...clearly this doesn't matter 
on a dual-pol system.


On 01/28/2012 08:54 PM, Bret Clark wrote:
We battle a problem similar to this last year, turned out BAE systems 
was @#$% testing military radar crap in the entire 5GHz spectrum. Any 
national guard or military bases in the area?


On 01/28/2012 08:31 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
If you replaced all gear and even tried a different coax in place of 
the 60' of LMR then it would have to be some kind of noise, coming in 
via the power lines or radiated. Who else is on the tower?


Did you only replace/try different gear on one tower or did you try 
both ends?


Have you done any spectral analysis?

Greg
On Jan 28, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

> I have a link that went bonkers last Saturday or Sunday and it has me
> stumped.
> RB433AH with XR5 at each end.
> Signals running around -69/-71.  CCQ is the goofy one.  Most of the 
time

> one direction is in the 50% range, but varies quite a bit.  The other
> direction ranges from 16% to 100%.  Generally if I see it getting 
close

> to 100% I know the link is going to drop.  It comes right back up,
> usually at about 50%.
> I have tried 20MHz channels, 10MHz channels, 5MHz channels with about
> the same results from all.
> I have tried 5.2-5.3 frequencies and 5.7-5.8 frequencies.  The higher
> frequencies work better, but still not well.
> All of the hardware except one 60' piece of LMR as been replaced.
> Ask me some questions and offer some suggestions as this one has me
> totally stumped.
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Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Link gone bonkers

[Bret Clark]

We battle a problem similar to this last year, turned out BAE systems 
was @#$% testing military radar crap in the entire 5GHz spectrum. Any 
national guard or military bases in the area?


On 01/28/2012 08:31 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
If you replaced all gear and even tried a different coax in place of 
the 60' of LMR then it would have to be some kind of noise, coming in 
via the power lines or radiated. Who else is on the tower?


Did you only replace/try different gear on one tower or did you try 
both ends?


Have you done any spectral analysis?

Greg
On Jan 28, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

> I have a link that went bonkers last Saturday or Sunday and it has me
> stumped.
> RB433AH with XR5 at each end.
> Signals running around -69/-71.  CCQ is the goofy one.  Most of the 
time

> one direction is in the 50% range, but varies quite a bit.  The other
> direction ranges from 16% to 100%.  Generally if I see it getting close
> to 100% I know the link is going to drop.  It comes right back up,
> usually at about 50%.
> I have tried 20MHz channels, 10MHz channels, 5MHz channels with about
> the same results from all.
> I have tried 5.2-5.3 frequencies and 5.7-5.8 frequencies.  The higher
> frequencies work better, but still not well.
> All of the hardware except one 60' piece of LMR as been replaced.
> Ask me some questions and offer some suggestions as this one has me
> totally stumped.
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Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

[Bret Clark]

You can still use spectrum for customers as long as your back-haul links 
use antennas with small beam widths, or run your back-haul links in 
horizontal and customer links in vertical polarity. The fact that our 
infrastructure is 100% wireless (outside our Internet upstream links) 
has been a huge selling point for us in competing with the ILEC and 
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Re: [WISPA] fbi letter

[Bret Clark]

A lot of service providers have been getting them, there was some 
chatter about it last week on NANOG list.

On 01/26/2012 01:55 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Use your code in the letter,
>
> and for last name :  Representative ...
>
> or call the Toll free number in that letter..
>
> --
> BTW  FWIW.
> It appears that they are now activating the system, and getting everyone
> setup so that all the different Fed. Agencies can use this as a common
> means of communication with the ISP's.
>
> The screwed up DNS  is simply a place holder .. i.e. appears to be a
> test letter
>
> Regards.
>
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> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
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> On 1/26/2012 1:47 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> We just got our FBI letter on the screwed up DNS system.
>>
>> I can't get into the web site with the code they gave me.  Anyone else
>> finally get the list of infected ip addys?
>>
>> thanks,
>> marlon
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Re: [WISPA] If radios act weird today...

[Bret Clark]

Oh man...where is my aluminum foil hat!!!

On 01/24/2012 09:57 AM, ~V~ wrote:
> Check out the incoming particles this bad boy is bringing.
> http://youtu.be/01SEGNfK_58
>
> ~V~
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> Same. It could eventually happen, but I haven't seen any consequence of it.
>
> -
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> On 1/24/2012 8:08 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> YAWN.  I have yet to see a solar flare cause issues  not saying it
>> won't... just saying the news media blows this stuff up every time.
>>
>>
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>> On 1/24/12 8:53 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>>> Solar flare blasts radiation storm toward Earth
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] If radios act weird today...

[Bret Clark]

LOL...but a great excuse for your tech support department when customers 
call in complaining they can't download movies from Megaupload!

On 01/24/2012 09:08 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> YAWN.  I have yet to see a solar flare cause issues  not saying it
> won't... just saying the news media blows this stuff up every time.
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>> Solar flare blasts radiation storm toward Earth
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[WISPA] If radios act weird today...

[Bret Clark]

Solar flare blasts radiation storm toward Earth

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57364089-76/solar-flare-blasts-radiation-storm-toward-earth/



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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Needs State Coordinator Volunteers

[Bret Clark]

What exactly is the role of a State Coordinator?

Bret

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On 01/18/2012 02:35 PM, ~V~ wrote:


Hi Members,

I am working on updating our State Coordinator list for 2012.

This list is going to be very useful this year for grass roots 
legislative efforts, disaster recovery, WISP recruitment, etc.


We have a really great group, but are missing coordinators for the 
below states.


If you are interested, please contact me ASAP

Connecticut

Delaware

Georgia

Hawaii

Idaho

Iowa

Maryland

Mississippi

Montana

Nevada

New Hampshire

New Jersey

New Mexico

North Dakota

Pennsylvania

Rhode Island

West Virginia

Thank you,

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Re: [WISPA] Remore relay (or similar)

[Bret Clark]

I don't have any favorites, these were actually links that other WISPA 
members have posted in the past and I saved them. We actually use APC 
switched Rack PDU's at remote locations.


But to be honest, I don't remember the last time we needed to reboot a 
piece of equipment, just hasn't been an issue although it was once in 
the past. We used to use Tranzeo's products many many years ago that 
routinely needed to be rebooted, but thankfully we stopped using them 
and moved on to Redline, Solectek, Mikrotik, various other vendors..the 
need to reboot systems has long since disappeared that we don't even 
consider the ability to reboot something at a remote cell to be a priority.


IMHO, if one is putting in remote equipment that needs to be rebooted, 
then it's probably not the best equipment to be using in the field.


Bret

On 01/08/2012 01:16 PM, Robert Pearson wrote:
Brett, I was very interested in this list you provided. Do you have a 
clear cut favorite of these four?


On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Bret Clark <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:


Don't now if it covers everything in your list, but some links to
consider:
http://www.digital-loggers.com/epcr3.html
http://dataprobe.com/iboot-remote-reboot.php
http://www.controlbyweb.com/webrelay/
http://www.dinrelay.com/

On 01/08/2012 12:13 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> Dear All
>
> I am looking for some device to remotely reboot some device.
>
> The requested features are:
>
> 1) din mountable
> 2) ethernet aware
> 3) inputs to measure AC and DC (so that you can know if power is
there
> or not)
> 4) high temperature range (e.g. -10C, +50C)
> 5) ability to put some "labels" on the interface (so that you
can put
> the label "do not reset this" or "routerA" etc on the web
interface and
> you know what you are doing)
> 6) autoping
> 7) remotely reset via a mobile phone call (sim card) or text
messages
> from a list of phone numbers (the list can be updated via web
interface,
> or any available interface)
>
>
> Suggestions are welcome :)
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Re: [WISPA] Remore relay (or similar)

[Bret Clark]

Don't now if it covers everything in your list, but some links to consider:
http://www.digital-loggers.com/epcr3.html
http://dataprobe.com/iboot-remote-reboot.php
http://www.controlbyweb.com/webrelay/
http://www.dinrelay.com/

On 01/08/2012 12:13 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> Dear All
>
> I am looking for some device to remotely reboot some device.
>
> The requested features are:
>
> 1) din mountable
> 2) ethernet aware
> 3) inputs to measure AC and DC (so that you can know if power is there
> or not)
> 4) high temperature range (e.g. -10C, +50C)
> 5) ability to put some "labels" on the interface (so that you can put
> the label "do not reset this" or "routerA" etc on the web interface and
> you know what you are doing)
> 6) autoping
> 7) remotely reset via a mobile phone call (sim card) or text messages
> from a list of phone numbers (the list can be updated via web interface,
> or any available interface)
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> Suggestions are welcome :)
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

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We use Cacti and give customers who request it individual login's to see 
only their utilization.
http://www.cacti.net/

On 12/28/2011 3:37 PM, Kevin Battersby wrote:
> Greetings
>
> We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for some
> time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis.
>
> Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a
> regular basis throughout the month.
>
> At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get this
> done.
>
> My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation? Any
> success stories?
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Re: [WISPA] Cordless Phone Ring Interference

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What model phone is it anyway? Noise floor would have to get pretty high 
to knock the signal out completely, unless you have poor fade margin to 
begin with.

On 12/27/2011 09:35 PM, Gary Garrett wrote:
> Yeah, I am sure there is a huge amount of data transferred in the wake
> up command.
> The handsets go into a sleep mode to give max battery life. The ring
> command is probably just all 0's or all 1's like the old frame relay
> connections use to tell the other end to loop back.
> The actual talk data is only 32k or so both ways 1/2 duplex.
> Multi line phones would need to get a lot of info from the base about
> what is about to happen, what lights to lite up etc.
>
> I have looked at cordless phones on a spectrum analyzer and the are way
> Spread spectrum, not really a channelized thing. No big power spike but
> a very low and wide waveform.
>
> Definitly go for the DECT.
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2011 6:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> What I'm getting at is what initiates the ring.  The copper pair hits
>> the base unit and then tells all the handsets in the house to ring.
>> I'm suggesting that this is 2.4 and what causes the SM's problem.
>>
>> I've seen a ringing telephone cause a Dlink router to reboot 100% of
>> the time, it was easily reproducible.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] [WUG] EMERGENCY TDWR INTERFERENCE ISSUE IN LAS VEGAS

[Bret Clark]

On 11/23/2011 01:07 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> maybe a private link that some bozo installed, not a WISP.  I do hope 
> it is tracked down soon.
>

My thought as well...can't even tell you how many times some "Joe IT 
Consultant Want a Be" has put up PTP links with 3 foot dishes for 2 
buildings that are separated by 150 feet!

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Re: [WISPA] Real enemy

[Bret Clark]

In the article "But users who use up a disproportionate share of mobile 
bandwidth are subject to getting the boot (after a series of warnings) 
if they don't rein in their heavy voice and data usage."

And that's the crux of the problem with 3G/4G networks, so you're not 
dealing with the real problem for strained networks as you're still 
booting heavy users! Personally I've been trying to think of a way to 
take advantage of the pletheroia of smart phones and tablets growing 
each day. Much like ILEC's didn't get data growth on their networks back 
in the 90's, and arguably today, mobile carriers (with only slightly 
more of clue) are having just as hard of a time managing data growth. 
WISP on the other hand understand high volume data on wireless networks 
and how to best manage it, bring that expertise to smart phones/tablets 
and it's a compelling business story!

Bret


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Re: [WISPA] Boost Your WiFi Signal Using Only a Beer Can

[Bret Clark]

50 gallon drum works better!

\On 10/24/2011 08:55 AM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] America's Broadband Heroes: Fixed Wireless Broadband Providers

[Bret Clark]

Link doesn't work for me.

On 10/12/2011 11:36 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:


Here is the link my white paper about fixed wireless broadband providers.

http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252&preview=true 



We will be adding more maps and tables of statistics for the WISP only 
areas


later.This was very well received at the WISPAPALOOZA show today.

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Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses

[Bret Clark]

Ask your provider for a block of IP's for the number of users you need 
to provide for, that will be the easiest and quickest way to go about it 
for now...you can change later and  get some from an Internet registar 
if you decide to go down that road later.


We'll need to know a little bit about how your network is configured so 
that those of us on the list can provide some insight as to how to go 
about assigning them out. The simple way is to just use a DHCP server 
and flat route the IP's to the Internet, not much different from the NAT 
you are doing today.


Bret

On 09/09/2011 08:30 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
The problem I could have is with my provider , they seem to be upset. 
because of this. That is why I would like to assign my own addresses. 
Unless there is another way.

NGL

*From:* Scott Reed 
*Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 5:05 PM
*To:* WISPA General List 
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses

Personal opinion here:
Unless you have a subpoena from a law enforcement agency, you
don't need to do a thing.
If you have a subpoena, explain to them that your network
configuration does not allow you to identify the user.  Ask them
what kind of assistance they can offer.
End of opinion.

They should know the IP address on the other end.  Run Torch on
the inside of your network with the other IP as the Destination
address.  See which customer hits it.
OR, run Packet Sniffer (a MT tool) withe the IP address in the
filter.  After a while analyze the file with WireShark or
something similar.

On 9/9/2011 7:34 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:

I need to know which client is  downloading copyrighted material.
NGL
*Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 4:24 PM

*To:* WISPA General List 
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses

www.arin.org  assuming you are in the
Americas.  Otherwise you will get assignments from the
organization for your area.
IP addresses are not cheap, but are obtainable.
I know Bret said NAT is not ideal, but I have 500 customers
behind a couple of NATs in the same /24 from my provider and
I do not have any problems.
What issue are you trying to solve?

On 9/9/2011 6:23 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:

How many  addresses are in a block?
What is the cost?
NGL

*From:* Josh Luthman 
*Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 3:09 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses

Do you want to buy a block from ARIN? Isp?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 9, 2011 5:38 PM, "~NGL~" mailto:n...@ngl.net>> wrote:
> No, I believe I need my own block of IP addresses to
assign.
> NGL
>
> --
> From: "Scott Reed" mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net>>
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:31 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses
>
>> So how are they configured that they use the same
address?
>> Are you looking for DHCP?
>>
>> On 9/9/2011 5:22 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>>> Wireless
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Scott Reed"mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net>>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:17 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List"mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses
>>>
 What kind of clients?
 Is this a wireless, wired, hotspot or some other
kind of network?

 On 9/9/2011 4:33 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
> Please provide more information on what you're
trying to achieve. Are
> you
> talking about public or private addresses?
>
> --
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>
> On Sep 9, 2011, at 11:29 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>
>> How do I setup my clients so they all have
individual IP addresses?
>> Thanx
>> NGL
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses

[Bret Clark]

Residential customers...probably more then one...I'm guessing you got 
the good old "Notice of Infringement" email. Not sure how you could 
determine that while running NAT, maybe use wireshark to sniff 
bittorrent traffic before it goes out your NAT box and see which private 
IP is doing it.


On 09/09/2011 07:34 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:

I need to know which client is  downloading copyrighted material.
NGL
*Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 4:24 PM

*To:* WISPA General List 
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses

www.arin.org  assuming you are in the
Americas.  Otherwise you will get assignments from the
organization for your area.
IP addresses are not cheap, but are obtainable.
I know Bret said NAT is not ideal, but I have 500 customers behind
a couple of NATs in the same /24 from my provider and I do not
have any problems.
What issue are you trying to solve?

On 9/9/2011 6:23 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:

How many  addresses are in a block?
What is the cost?
NGL

*From:* Josh Luthman 
*Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 3:09 PM
*To:* WISPA General List 
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses

Do you want to buy a block from ARIN? Isp?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 9, 2011 5:38 PM, "~NGL~" mailto:n...@ngl.net>> wrote:
> No, I believe I need my own block of IP addresses to assign.
> NGL
>
> --
> From: "Scott Reed" mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net>>
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:31 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses
>
>> So how are they configured that they use the same address?
>> Are you looking for DHCP?
>>
>> On 9/9/2011 5:22 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>>> Wireless
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Scott Reed"mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net>>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:17 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List"mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses
>>>
 What kind of clients?
 Is this a wireless, wired, hotspot or some other kind of
network?

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> Please provide more information on what you're trying
to achieve. Are
> you
> talking about public or private addresses?
>
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
>
> On Sep 9, 2011, at 11:29 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>
>> How do I setup my clients so they all have individual
IP addresses?
>> Thanx
>> NGL
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses

[Bret Clark]

Sounds like you're running NAT with a bunch of users...clearly not 
ideal. You can ask your upstream provider for a block of IP's but if you 
change upstream providers you will need to renumber everyone which may 
not be a big deal if you run DHCP for everyone. Otherwise you can buy a 
block from ARIN, but I'm not sure you've got enough users to do that.


Bret


On Sep 9, 2011 5:38 PM, "~NGL~" mailto:n...@ngl.net>> wrote:
> No, I believe I need my own block of IP addresses to assign.
> NGL
>
> --
> From: "Scott Reed" mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net>>
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:31 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" >

> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses
>
>> So how are they configured that they use the same address?
>> Are you looking for DHCP?
>>
>> On 9/9/2011 5:22 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>>> Wireless
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Scott Reed"mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net>>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:17 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List">

>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Individual IP addresses
>>>
 What kind of clients?
 Is this a wireless, wired, hotspot or some other kind of network?

 On 9/9/2011 4:33 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
> Please provide more information on what you're trying to 
achieve. Are

> you
> talking about public or private addresses?
>
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
>
> On Sep 9, 2011, at 11:29 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>
>> How do I setup my clients so they all have individual IP addresses?
>> Thanx
>> NGL
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?

[Bret Clark]

On 08/03/2011 10:51 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> But they could go ahead with
> something like this (letter of the law notwtihstanding, since law no
> loger counts for much here) and thus having your maps submitted by
> the deadline may prevent you from being run out of town by a subsidy whore.
>

Well, if it stops a "subsidy whore" (I like that term :) from coming 
into my location, I can buy that as a reason for providing the data.

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[WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?

[Bret Clark]

So, like many of you, we're being asked to provide data to NTIA for 
broadband mapping, but as a private company I'm rather bothered by the 
confidential information they are asking for. They want to know such 
things as our spectrum use, antenna locations, antenna types, etc. so 
they can model our coverage area (something we already do with Radio 
Mobile). We tried for stimulas money, but got rejected so to be honest I 
have little interest in providing this information, not to mention 
having the data used by our competitors.

I'm wondering how others felt about providing this information?

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

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LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that 
would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is 3.5 bits per hertz.

On 04/05/2011 07:13 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
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>> More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are 
>> already doing wimax
>>
>> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>>
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
 I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. 
 It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but 
 will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make 
 money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
>>>
>>> So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

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On 04/05/2011 07:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is 
> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
>
> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so 
> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it 
> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this 
> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power 
> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>
> -Charles
Don't disagree, but the real question is that once the network is load 
will that still be the case...probably not. Much like the first neighbor 
on the new cable feed proclaiming the next coming of the Internet only 6 
months later lamenting about how his dial up was faster now that every 
neighborhood kid is on it with their Xboxes and PS3!

As far as WISP being able to deliver these speeds, that is a function of 
spectrum (blame the FCC)...not the technology to do it.

And again I want to see actual throughput test (FTP or IPERF) not some 
half-baked algorithm used by those speed test sites that are not all 
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

[Bret Clark]

Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla & Speedtest.net test are 
bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test 
algorithms.


On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:


Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at 
Speedtest.Net to my handset


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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Data Caps and Streaming

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On 03/30/2011 11:31 AM, Rick Kunze wrote:
>
> The shared model works very well for 90% of the people.  I sell both,
> and everything in between.  But rarely does anyone find dedicated
> bandwidth to be a better solution for them.  About the only time I
> sell it is when the order "comes from higher up".
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I assume when you say dedicated you mean at some QoS level since 
wireless is shared medium at the physical layer and dedicated link would 
require separate equipment and frequencies from you shared customers.

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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Data Caps and Streaming

[Bret Clark]

yeah...didn't proof well enough..."cleanly watch" is what I meant.

On 03/29/2011 11:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

"cleaning watch"?  Do you mean cleaning while watching?

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I know this is Canada, but I can just see some congressman here in the
US one day bitch about not being able to cleaning watch the
"Jackass 3"
movie from Netflix and demanding that all service providers get rid of
bandwidth quotas and throttling by introducing a new bill.

On 03/29/2011 11:26 AM, Matt wrote:
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/data-caps-claim-a-victim-netflix-streaming-video.ars
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Data Caps and Streaming

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I know this is Canada, but I can just see some congressman here in the 
US one day bitch about not being able to cleaning watch the "Jackass 3" 
movie from Netflix and demanding that all service providers get rid of 
bandwidth quotas and throttling by introducing a new bill.

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[WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

[Bret Clark]

Ugh...not good. Last thing I need is to compete with the ILEC who is 
getting money from the Universal Slush Fund to provide government 
subsidized broadband in rural areas. And I can see every ILEC in America 
lobbing to ensure that the distribution of USF continues "as is" if the 
shift is made to broadband instead of telephone...basically filling the 
ILEC's coffers!  The FCC is looking for comments, so we all need to make 
it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and all 
broadband providers!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213

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Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

[Bret Clark]

This is happening in the entire 5GHz, we did have a spectrum analyzer up 
and we were able to catch the problem briefly. It looked like a high 
powered frequency hopper but we were unable to home in on it. The 
National Guard theory is sounding pretty good right now just because 
we'll go for so long without any problems; noise floor of -100db. We are 
in the process of looking into the locations of some National Guard 
sites in the area and will contact them to see if we can gain additional 
info. I'll update the list when I learn more.

Bret


On 02/07/2011 02:41 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
> see if you can get a spectrum analyzer up there? What freqs qre you using?
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Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

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Hh...that just set off a light bulb...none in the immediate 
area, but I'm sure their stuff would be high powered enough to reach 
some distance. Something we are going to look into further.


On 02/07/2011 02:04 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
> It could be mobile military radars or during National Guard exercises, etc. 
> What
> freqs are you using in the band? Does your mountain installation overlook any
> military training areas?
>
> On 2/7/2011 9:11 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>> That's what I'm thinking but you'd think it would be happening
>> continuously. Yet we'll go several months without so much as a peep and
>> then boom...we are in interference hell. Had the problem again this
>> weekend, started Friday night, on and off all weekend, then Sunday night
>> everything is find again. I'm running out of hair to pull out of my head
>> at this point!
>>
>> Bret
>>
>> On 02/07/2011 12:05 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>>> Bret,
>>>
>>> Sure sounds like radar to me.
>>>
>>> jack
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/7/2011 5:18 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>>>> It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which
>>>> is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air.  I don't
>>>> think this is a consumer device causing the problem.
>>>>
>>>> On 02/07/2011 03:10 AM, RickG wrote:
>>>>> There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;(
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Jeromie Reeves 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case
>>>>>> it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the
>>>>>> 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clark 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would
>>>>>>> anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the 5GHz
>>>>>>> range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times
>>>>>>> throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like
>>>>>>> a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The
>>>>>>> frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can
>>>>>>> go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the weekends
>>>>>>> or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of
>>>>>>> the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our
>>>>>>> hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other
>>>>>>> operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even
>>>>>>> contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but
>>>>>>> they say they are not doing anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bret
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bret Clark
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Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

[Bret Clark]

That's what I'm thinking but you'd think it would be happening 
continuously. Yet we'll go several months without so much as a peep and 
then boom...we are in interference hell. Had the problem again this 
weekend, started Friday night, on and off all weekend, then Sunday night 
everything is find again. I'm running out of hair to pull out of my head 
at this point!

Bret

On 02/07/2011 12:05 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
> Bret,
>
> Sure sounds like radar to me.
>
> jack
>
>
> On 2/7/2011 5:18 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>> It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which
>> is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air.  I don't
>> think this is a consumer device causing the problem.
>>
>> On 02/07/2011 03:10 AM, RickG wrote:
>>> There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;(
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Jeromie Reeves
>>> wrote:
>>>> 5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case
>>>> it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the
>>>> 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck).
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clark
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would
>>>>> anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the 5GHz
>>>>> range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times
>>>>> throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like
>>>>> a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The
>>>>> frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can
>>>>> go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the weekends
>>>>> or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of
>>>>> the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our
>>>>> hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other
>>>>> operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even
>>>>> contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but
>>>>> they say they are not doing anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bret
>>>>>
>>>>> Bret Clark
>>>>> Spectra Access
>>>>> 25 Lowell Street
>>>>> Manchester, NH 03101
>>>>> www.spectraaccess.net
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Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

[Bret Clark]

It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which 
is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air.  I don't 
think this is a consumer device causing the problem.

On 02/07/2011 03:10 AM, RickG wrote:
> There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;(
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
>> 5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case
>> it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the
>> 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck).
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clark  wrote:
>>> I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would
>>> anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the 5GHz
>>> range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times
>>> throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like
>>> a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The
>>> frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can
>>> go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the weekends
>>> or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of
>>> the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our
>>> hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other
>>> operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even
>>> contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but
>>> they say they are not doing anything.
>>>
>>> Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe!
>>>
>>> Bret
>>>
>>> Bret Clark
>>> Spectra Access
>>> 25 Lowell Street
>>> Manchester, NH 03101
>>> www.spectraaccess.net
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[WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

[Bret Clark]

I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would 
anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the 5GHz 
range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times 
throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like 
a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The 
frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can 
go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the weekends 
or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of 
the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our 
hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other 
operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even 
contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but 
they say they are not doing anything.

Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe!

Bret

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411

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We don't have a ton right now, but the ones that are up were no problem 
during the recent cold spell here in New England...now Tranzeo on the 
other hand; I will be glad when we get that crap out of the network!!!

On 02/05/2011 03:01 PM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
> We too have several hundred in the air in ARC cases here in northern MN, no 
> issues.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Feb 5, 2011, at 1:57 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>
>> Matt... we have over 1,000 of the regular 411 boards in the air...
>> including many point to point backhaul links. We saw temps down to -30F
>> this last week and didn't have a single failure.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
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>> On 2/5/2011 11:41 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
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>>> people have had the same problems.It is very frustrating to see that
>>> not all of the hardware we use has moved out of the amateur stage yet
>>> when it comes to quality control and design.
>>>
>>> Glad I only ever bought ten of them.   They will be getting replaced
>>> with something reliable real soon.
>>>
>>> FWIW, the 411AH boards I have in place have been just fine.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] [Board] WISP A Final Defination ...

[Bret Clark]

Title: signature


  
  
Need to yank the " primarily governed by FCC Part 15 regulations"
part, There are WISP all across the globe plus it's never a good
idea to tie a government entity into an industry unless you want to
invite yet more government regulation into that industry. Yeah,
yeah, I know what we do is tied closely to the FCC regulations, but
why make it lock step with the definitionIMHO. 

Also why tie the industry to "fixed wireless"? I'm keeping my eye on
how to also service the mobile market, not in a cell phone way, but
more towards the industry that the iPAD has created...that market is
only going to grow dramatically over the coming year. 

"A WISP is a Community based, Wireless Internet Service Provider
  that operates using terrestrial-based radio technology to
  transport and sell fixed
  and/or other wireless broadband access or related Internet
  Protocol derived services to end users."

Bret

Bret Clark
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Re: [WISPA] Rain Rain Go Away Come back after 3 days!

[Bret Clark]

Hard to feel your pain when those of us have to deal with blizzards and 
sub-zero temps on regular basis throughout winter ...but then again 
maybe it's easy to feel your pain :)...hang in there!


On 12/22/2010 06:56 AM, Tom Fadgen wrote:


Today is the sixth day of rain. We live a desert and are not used to 
or prepared for this much water. This morning a mudslide took down one 
of my towers. I discovered this via a site survey at 3am. Back at the 
office now for shovels(lol)






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Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

[Bret Clark]

True...good advice.

On 12/20/2010 05:56 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
> There is QUITE a difference between a separation distance of 20 ft and a
> separation distance of 100 yards. Remember the inverse-square law - RF 
> intensity
> decreases as the SQUARE of the separation distance. 100 yards is 300 feet and 
> 20
> feet goes into 300 feet 15 times so the RF intensity at 100 yards is the 
> inverse
> of 15 squared (15X15) or the inverse of 225. Inverting 225 means that the
> intensity at 100 yards is only 1/225th as much as at 20 feet. Scott's 
> equipment
> is going to be exposed to 225 times greater RF energy than yours so his
> equipment is likely to be overloaded with receiver de-sensitization while your
> equipment may be OK.
>
> The solution is to "do everything right" as Scott says. The 11 GHz equipment 
> is
> likely so far away from the FM and TV frequencies that it is probably OK. The
> solution for 2.4 and 5 GHz is use proper bandpass filters between the antennas
> and the equipment then test to see if the receivers seem to have full
> sensitivity or not.
>
> jack
>
>
> On 12/20/2010 2:34 PM, Bret Clark wrote:
>
>>> On 12/20/2010 1:30 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, I've dealt with up to about 20KW on FM transmitter 20 feet away
>>>> and dealt with it decently.
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm told one of our installs of gear on a tower is about to get a
>>>> 100KW 20ft above my gear and a TV antenna 20ft below it at 700KW
>>>> channel 39 I think.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have gear running close to this kind of high-power antennas?
>>>> Am I screwed or will I be able to have my equipment work int his RF
>>>> environment?  Assume I did everything right (grounded metal box,
>>>> shielded cable soldered drain wires, ferrite cores on the cables etc...).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Scott Carullo
>>>> Technical Operations
>>>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>>>  
>> We are running 5.8 and 3.65 stuff on towers with 100KW TV systems on the
>> tower located about a 100 yards from us on another tower...no problems.
>> Probably not much difference between 100KW 20 feet or 100 yards apart.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

[Bret Clark]

>
> On 12/20/2010 1:30 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I've dealt with up to about 20KW on FM transmitter 20 feet away 
>> and dealt with it decently.
>>
>> Now I'm told one of our installs of gear on a tower is about to get a 
>> 100KW 20ft above my gear and a TV antenna 20ft below it at 700KW 
>> channel 39 I think.
>>
>> Anyone have gear running close to this kind of high-power antennas?  
>> Am I screwed or will I be able to have my equipment work int his RF 
>> environment?  Assume I did everything right (grounded metal box, 
>> shielded cable soldered drain wires, ferrite cores on the cables etc...).
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102


We are running 5.8 and 3.65 stuff on towers with 100KW TV systems on the 
tower located about a 100 yards from us on another tower...no problems. 
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Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

[Bret Clark]

Did it rain recently? We had a similar problem where the antenna was
not sealed tight and everytime it rained hard clients would drop off,
but after a few hours of sun shining on the system they'd be fine until
the next heavy rain storm. The thing that threw us off was that light
or normal rain that didn't last long didn't seem to affect the antenna,
only heavy rain with maybe some wind thrown in the mix. 

Then on a different note, we've recently been battling an issue where
on one of our 5GH systems clients were all dropping off at very random
times...Turn out damn BAE systems down the road was testing frequency
hopping radar crap and every time it hopped into the frequency we were
using, the clients dropped off. 


On 11/20/2010 12:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:

  
  
  All the clients came back on line
about 10 pm last night. and are still on line this morning.
  I don’t get it!
  The AP is a TR-902 11f which has an
internal antenna.
  The clients that were were dropped
were a mix of nearest and furthest from the AP.
  Thanx
  NGL
  

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients



Put a power meter between the AP radio and the antenna and make sure
the radio is putting out the power it should.  Also check the SWR,
should be about 1.3/5.  I would guess that the clients being dropped
are the ones furthest away, if the AP is losing power or the antenna is
wet or damaged and losing signal.

Phil

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, RickG 
wrote:
Yes. Since you said  "it has now dropped 15 of 20
that are connected to that AP." I would suspect there is an issue with
that AP. I'd swap it out with a known good AP and see if that helps.
Otherwise, you may be having some interference issues on that sector
which would mean you'll need a cavity filter. On that note, can you run
a spectrum scan to see?
  
  
  
  On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ~NGL~  wrote:
  

Do you mean the AP? It still
works with 7 clients now.
NGL

  
  From: RickG 
  Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:12 PM
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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
  
  
  
swap the suspect unit out with a known working unit.
  
  On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:29 PM,
~NGL~ 
wrote:
  

I have 4 TR-902 AP's on a tower 3 are working fine, 1
has been dropping clients at the rate of 1 every 5 minuets it has now
dropped 15 of 20 that are connected to that AP. I have rebooted the AP
and some of the clients, with no success. I have no idea what is wrong.
Now I see that 2 have come back.. Any suggestions? 
Thanx
NGL 


  

  
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Bret Clark]

On 11/11/2010 08:18 PM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
>
> How do you handle support?  Custom acd, dial plans, etc.  I assume your voip 
> partner implements, but what support is yours to deal with, and where do you 
> hand off at?
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
We integrated our VoIP partner with our support ticketing system and 
support call center (gave them VoIP phones and tied them into our 
Trixbox) so it looks like to the customer that they are just 
calling/contacting our support team. VoIP hasn't been a problem, but the 
biggest PIA we see is faxes and credit card machines...modem and VoIP 
are not great combinations...it works but sometimes can be a pain.

Basically we just run VoIP to an ATA at the customer location and then 
just hand off either an analog or digital line that ties into their 
existing Key/PBX, so for the customer they really don't see any change 
except a lower monthly bill.

One thing you do need to do is tell the analog customers that they will 
lose phone if there is no power...amazing how many customers just don't 
understand that concept; guess a 100 years of running on copper have set 
thier ways. I won't deny that we sometimes recommend the customer keep 
one copper line as an emergency if they are concern with loss of phone 
during power outages.

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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Bret Clark]

We partnered with a small VoIP company that is local in our area and 
resell the service as our own to businesses only. It has worked well for 
us, but I strongly recommend that you implement some type of QoS for the 
VoIP packets...at least if you're dealing with businesses.

Bret


On 11/11/2010 07:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current provider?
>
> Thanks-
> Ryan
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>
>
>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
>>> What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Ryan
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Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

[Bret Clark]

On 11/02/2010 08:37 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
>
>
>> I still need to try a Vyatta system.
>>  
> I loathe the idea of managing a *nix distro on a router (which is why we
> use RouterOS now).  Apparently I've had too much Tik-aid, because I had
> completely forgotten about Vyatta and similar options.
>
> I have a SuperMicro 5015A-H (Atom 330 dual-core) coming in tomorrow.
> I'm going to try RouterOS and Vyatta and see how BGP responds on each
> with a single feed.  If anyone else has an x86-based distro they'd like
> to see performance on, let me know.
>
> And thanks for all the responses.  The information has been very
> helpful.  Unfortunately, the conclusion I came to is "I have no idea
> what I'm going to do."  Cisco = $$$ and MikroTik = coin flip.  Hopefully
> Vyatta lands somewhere in the middle.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Kristian
>

I don't know I find quagga runnning on a Ubuntu server to be a piece of 
cake and having all the networking tools of Linux makes it nice when I 
need to troubleshot a network problem.



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Re: [WISPA] Licensed at 40-60-80Ghz - short distance link

[Bret Clark]

Yup agree with that. We had a 60 GHz link at 2 miles and anytime rain 
fall exceed .10 in/hr the link would die. We replaced the link with an 
18GHz and have been much happier with no rain/snow related problems!

On 10/28/2010 04:35 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> 60-80 won't get you 5 miles in rain regardless of where it's located.
> For 100Mbps, you are better off looking at 6, 11, 18 or 23.
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
>   wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I was wondering if somebody of you is working at those frequencies, on
>> moutain top or heavy-rain
>>
>> The point is that I am curious to know your experience at those
>> frequencies when it's not "downtown" but a more country, hill or
>> mountain environment where clouds, rain and other weather evil things
>> can happen.
>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attacks

[Bret Clark]

Cogent is one of our providers and that would be an idea, but we have 
several upstream providers that we peer with via BGP.  The usages isn't 
an issue for as we have enough Internet bandwidth, but it is amazing the 
amount of illegal traffic that comes into our network in terms of 
hackers, spammers, phishing, etc. A problem for everyone I would suppose.


Bret

On 10/25/2010 10:45 AM, Glenn Kelley rote:

Bret -

If I poked @ your network right - you are using Cogento.
They should be able to allow you to place something in their DC prior 
to it reaching your network.

(cost may be $100/mo or so)

A simple transparent gateway/firewall would do wonders.


On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Bret Clark wrote:

If we got rid of the spammers and attackers we'd have more then 
enough IP addresses and everyone would be able to get by on dial up! 
Seriously though I estimate that 5% of my upstream bandwidth is used 
by people to spam and attempt hack attacks on me. I use numerous apps 
to stop them such as denyhost, but it only stops them at my door, 
they still use up my bandwidth!


Bret

On 10/25/2010 12:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I'm brute force attacked every day all over hell.

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On 10/24/2010 9:20 PM, Robert West wrote:


Is it just me or is everyone having their gateway servers attacked 
by those Chinese so-and so’s?  (WISPA REGS)



My logs show attacks all weekend on all of my MT gateways.  
Sad



Never had that before.  Even the Routerboard I use at the house.  
RELENTLESS!



Just sharing  They get swatted off so it’s all good but it’s 
interesting to watch their attack



Moving on.


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Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attacks

[Bret Clark]

If we got rid of the spammers and attackers we'd have more then enough 
IP addresses and everyone would be able to get by on dial up! Seriously 
though I estimate that 5% of my upstream bandwidth is used by people to 
spam and attempt hack attacks on me. I use numerous apps to stop them 
such as denyhost, but it only stops them at my door, they still use up 
my bandwidth!


Bret

On 10/25/2010 12:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I'm brute force attacked every day all over hell.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   


On 10/24/2010 9:20 PM, Robert West wrote:


Is it just me or is everyone having their gateway servers attacked by 
those Chinese so-and so's?  (WISPA REGS)


My logs show attacks all weekend on all of my MT 
gateways.  Sad


Never had that before.  Even the Routerboard I use at the house.  
RELENTLESS!


Just sharing  They get swatted off so it's all good but 
it's interesting to watch their attack


Moving on.

Steve-





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Re: [WISPA] Should this happen? Probably not.

[Bret Clark]

Bad link...

On 09/30/2010 08:30 AM, Cameron Kilton wrote:
> This is why we ask to beta certain products. This a 15dbi grid from Pac
> Wireless (Laird) whichever they are this year. This has been in service
> since 10/27/2007. The feedhorn rusted and snapped right off the grid.
> Granted it was maybe 100 yards from the shore, but this should not happen.
>
> http://.midcoast.com/~cam/15dbi
>
> Check out the pics
>




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[WISPA] Fwd: EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's DNS censorship bill

[Bret Clark]

This came on the NANOG list for those who don't subscribe to that 
list...thought I'd pass it along here. Looks like you need to respond to 
Peter by today 4PM EST.


Bret

 Original Message 
Subject:EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's DNS censorship bill
Date:   Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:40:25 -0700
From:   Peter Eckersley 
To: na...@nanog.org



Dear network operators,

I apologise for a posting that contains some politics; I hope you'll agree
that it also has fairly substantial short-to-medium term operational
implications.

As you may or may not have heard, there is a censor-DNS-to-enforce-copyright
bill that is going to be passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee this
Wednesday.  It will require service providers to censor the DNS entries of
blacklisted domains where piracy is deemed too "central" to the site's purpose.
Senators are claiming that they haven't heard any opposition to this bill, and
it is being sponsored by 14 of the 19 committee members.  We believe it needs
to be stopped, and we need your help.

What EFF needs right now is sign-ons to an open letter, from the engineers who
helped build the Internet in the first place.  The text of our letter is
below.  If you agree with it and would like to sign, please send me an email
at p...@eff.org, with your name and a one-line summary of what part of the
Internet you have helped to design, implement, debug or run.

This is URGENT.  I need your sign-ons by 4:00pm, US Eastern time (1pm
Pacific), tomorrow.  Unfortunately, the civil liberties community has been
ambushed by this bill.

You can find out more details on the bill here: https://eff.org/coica

---

Open letter from Internet engineers to members of the Senate Judiciary 
Committee:

We, the undersigned, have played various parts in building a network called
the Internet. We wrote and debugged the software; we defined the standards and
protocols that talk over that network. Many of us invented parts of it. We're
just a little proud of the social and economic benefits that our project, the
Internet, has brought with it.

We are writing to oppose the Committee's proposed new Internet censorship and
copyright bill. If enacted, this legislation will risk fragmenting the
Internet's global domain name system (DNS), create an environment of
tremendous fear and uncertainty for technological innovation, and seriously
harm the credibility of the United States in its role as a steward of key
Internet infrastructure. In exchange for this, the bill will introduce
censorship that will simultaneously be circumvented by deliberate infringers
while hampering innocent parties' ability to communicate.

All censorship schemes impact speech beyond the category they were intended to
restrict, but this bill will be particularly egregious in that regard because
it causes entire domains to vanish from the Web, not just infringing pages or
files. Worse, an incredible range of useful, law-abiding sites can be
blacklisted under this bill. These problems will be enough to ensure that
alternative name-lookup infrastructures will come into widespread use, outside
the control of US service providers but easily used by American citizens.
Errors and divergences will appear between these new services and the current
global DNS, and contradictory addresses will confuse browsers and frustrate
the people using them. These problems will be widespread and will affect sites
other than those blacklisted by the American government.

The US government has regularly claimed that it supports a free and open
Internet, both domestically and abroad. We can't have a free and open Internet
without a global domain name system that sits above the political concerns and
objectives of any one government or industry. To date, the leading role the US
has played in this infrastructure has been fairly uncontroversial because
America is seen as a trustworthy arbiter and a neutral bastion of free
expression. If the US suddenly begins to use its central position in the DNS
for censorship that advances its political and economic agenda, the
consequences will be far-reaching and destructive.

Senators, we believe the Internet is too important and too valuable to be
endangered in this way, and implore you to put this bill aside.

--
Peter Eckersleyp...@eff.org
Senior Staff Technologist Tel  +1 415 436 9333 x131
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Re: [WISPA] Weather Sensors

[Bret Clark]

Reminds me of my favorite weather site where you can get real-time 
weather statistics from other users who have purchased online weather 
stations.


http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?

On 09/21/2010 03:25 AM, Chuck Profito wrote:



  try Oregon Scientific Full Weather Station WMR80 / WMR80A


   I think one of these has a Ethernet port

*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Blair Davis

*Sent:* Monday, September 20, 2010 11:47 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] Weather Sensors

I am looking for inexpensive, network aware weather sensors...

Maybe temp, wind speed and wind direction to start.

Other data would be useful as well.

I want to put these on my towers and then aggregate the data on our 
webpage.


Ideas?

This is a small project and it can't go much over $100-200 per location.

Blair





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Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

[Bret Clark]

We don't charge only because we are in a competitive environment and 
sell to business that have contracts; thus we can charge more on the MTM 
rates. If you're the only game in town I see no reason why not to charge 
(might as well take advantage of being a monopoly), but if they could 
leave to go somewhere else then it really comes down to what your ROI is 
and if you can afford to lose a customer.

On 09/20/2010 05:38 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Right, it's an operational/procedural issue.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
>
>> This is not an accounting issue.
>>
>> Unless you're married to or otherwise entangled with said accountant.
>>
>> Then it's an accounting issue.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "~NGL~"
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment
>>
>>
>>  
>>> That was my thought, but the accountant disagrees.
>>> Thanx
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Scott Reed"
>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:13 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment
>>>
>>>
   Yep, trees = our fault, our cost.  If they want it moved for
 aesthetics, etc., normal service rate.
 We do 1/2 price installs for customers that move.

 On 9/20/2010 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  
> Same here.
>
> If they want it moved because it was on their barn and want it
> elsewhere, that's a charge.
>
> If it's simple tree growth, no charge.  If our mounting falls off
> because of the wrong screw, no charge.
>
> Basically if it is our fault or poor foresight no charge but if they
> want something special we charge.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Marco Coelho
> wrote:
>
>> If it's tree growth, no.   That means we messed up during install.
>>
>> If the customers moves to a new house, we recharge the installation
>> fee.
>>
>> Marco
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:52 PM, ~NGL~wrote:
>>  
>>> Do you charge when you have to relocate and rewire the equipment at a
>>> clients location, because the trees have grown to a point where the
>>> signal
>>> is very weak? If so at what rate?
>>> NGL
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Chris Gotstein"
>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:19 PM
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol
>>>
>>>
 Thanks guys!

    
 Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
 http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com

 On 9/20/2010 3:14 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
  
> DA5W-29-DP-FEED
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris Gotstein
> wrote:
>
>> I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns.
>> Anyone
>> have a part number for them?
>>
>>    
>> Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection
>> U.P.
>> http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
>>
>> On 9/17/2010 5:42 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
>>  
>>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 14:36, Chris Gotstein>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>   We have some older Pac Wireless 2' 5.8Mhz 29db parabolic
>>> dishes
>>> serving
>>>   as a PtP link.  We are going to be upgrading the radios
>>> connected
>>> to
>>>   these dishes, and the new radios support dual polarity.  Does
>>> anyone
>>>   know if you can just swap out the feed horn on the dishes
>>> from
>>> single
>>>   pol to dual pol?  Would sure be easier than hauling up a
>>> whole
>>> new
>>> dish
>>>   setup.  If this would work, anyone got sources that i can buy
>>> just
>>> a
>>>   feed horn?  Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> I forget where we bought the feedhorns from, but this can be done.
>>>
>>> We actually just replaced two of them, doing exactly what you
>>> describe.
>>> There was a catch, though. The feedhorn has two N connectors, a
>>> few
>>> inches and ninety degrees apart. One of the two dishes had a
>>> smaller
>>> hole in the 

Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

[Bret Clark]

I would have to agree...you could switch to all UBNT, but whose to say 
they will handle a large bridging network any better? I think before 
making any kind hardware change, you need to convert the network into a 
routed environment to control traffic.


On 09/17/2010 08:39 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
   If it's all bridged then ARP tables fill up, memory runs low, and 
all kinds of things happen. I know Forbes has mentioned a bridged 
network on here before.  I would put your money into routing the 
network and *then* get rid of the mikrotiks if they are still problems 
after the routing is done.  You will be amazed at how much a routed 
network will improve the quality of the network.   There are other 
things he could try to hunt down, but until all that bridging is 
stopped it will be an uphill battle.


Justin
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*From: *Forbes Mercy 
*Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
*Date: *Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:27:25 -0700
*To: *WISPA General List 
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

   How my day ended, I really don't mean to slight Mikrotik or it's 
dealers.  People who route their networks will have a fraction of the 
problems I have but I have to admit the excuse of "must be your 
employees" or " that never happens" got old about 20 outages ago. 
 Today I had 8 major outages, 4 of them we found a bridge or ports 
erased and the IP displaying 0.0.0.0.  This was an easy fix, log in 
and add the bridge and ports then click on the IP and it came back 
legitimate again.  Shame we had to make the trip to the towers to do 
that.  The other 4 not so easy, they showed the IP correctly but not 
in Winbox and they had the MAC address as 00.00.00.00.00, well 12 
times, you get it.  Those we had to pull the backhaul and reset it 
then reprogram it.  A hellish day but we didn't miss the fact that the 
UBNT units never crashed no matter what this crazy bridging issue was. 
 It was just a real bad day to be in this business but I appreciate 
the help that I got from Mikrotik dealers who really care to help 
resolve this but are as equally frustrated as I was, while aging about 
3 years in one day.  Like watching a baby sleep the night is 
uneventful after a 15 hour work day and my with my added worry about 
taking 4 vacation days this weekend.  I wish I could trust the 
equipment from overreacting to every damn bit of unfriendly traffic by 
shutting down the LAN port or resetting the radio but I can't, it's my 
employees problem now but it will certainly take away from the joy of 
my time off since I know their attitude is more like, 'let them wait' 
then my feeling of 'people down is lost income', employees


 Forbes

 On 9/16/2010 7:44 PM, RickG wrote:

For me, the StarOS/WRAP combo performed very well since 2004. The
only issues I had were coax related. Otherwise, I agree, I dont
like equipment you have to put together. I save my tinkering
around for personal stuff but much rather have a fully designed
radio for commercial purposes.


On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Nash - Lists
 wrote:

There's something to be said for "losing faith" in a
technology.  For me,
 it's the "build-it-yourself" radios.  All of them.  Mikrotik
& StarOS.  For
 me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need
to put in
 redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost
guarantee
 something's going to malfunction.

 Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us
make the "leap of
 faith" and hopefully their product is more stable over time,
keeping much of
 the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the
installer.



 - Original Message -
 From: "Forbes Mercy" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik


>  I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every
> Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with
UBNIT.
> I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two
radios just
> dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to
0.0.0.0, today
> another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti
towers.  You
> can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find
the cause
> and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick
of Mikrotik.
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

[Bret Clark]

For the large number of us who use Mikrotiks and haven't seen the 
problems you are having, it just has me suspicious that the problems 
you've seen with the Mikrotiks are a result of an indirect problem. Then 
again maybe the Mikrotik's just don't do well in a large bridge environment?


On 09/17/2010 04:27 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
How my day ended, I really don't mean to slight Mikotik or it's 
dealers.  People who route their networks will have a fraction of the 
problems I have but I have to admit the excuse of "must be your 
employees" or " that never happens" got old about 20 outages ago.  
Today I had 8 major outages, 4 of them we found a bridge or ports 
erased and the IP displaying 0.0.0.0.  This was an easy fix, log in 
and add the bridge and ports then click on the IP and it came back 
legitimate again.  Shame we had to make the trip to the towers to do 
that.  The other 4 not so easy, they showed the IP correctly but not 
in Winbox and they had the MAC address as 00.00.00.00.00, well 12 
times, you get it.  Those we had to pull the backhaul and reset it 
then reprogram it.  A hellish day but we didn't miss the fact that the 
UBNT units never crashed no matter what this crazy bridging issue 
was.  It was just a real bad day to be in this business but I 
appreciate the help that I got from Mikrotik dealers who really care 
to help resolve this but are as equally frustrated as I was, while 
aging about 3 years in one day.  Like watching a baby sleep the night 
is uneventful after a 15 hour work day and my with my added worry 
about taking 4 vacation days this weekend.  I wish I could trust the 
equipment from overreacting to every damn bit of unfriendly traffic by 
shutting down the LAN port or resetting the radio but I can't, it's my 
employees problem now but it will certainly take away from the joy of 
my time off since I know their attitude is more like, 'let them wait' 
then my feeling of 'people down is lost income', employees


Forbes

On 9/16/2010 7:44 PM, RickG wrote:
For me, the StarOS/WRAP combo performed very well since 2004. The 
only issues I had were coax related. Otherwise, I agree, I dont like 
equipment you have to put together. I save my tinkering around for 
personal stuff but much rather have a fully designed radio for 
commercial purposes.


On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Nash - Lists > wrote:


There's something to be said for "losing faith" in a technology.
 For me,
it's the "build-it-yourself" radios.  All of them.  Mikrotik &
StarOS.  For
me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to
put in
redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee
something's going to malfunction.

Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make
the "leap of
faith" and hopefully their product is more stable over time,
keeping much of
the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer.

- Original Message -
From: "Forbes Mercy" mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com>>
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM
Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik


>  I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every
> Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with
UBNIT.
> I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two
radios just
> dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to
0.0.0.0, today
> another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti
towers.  You
> can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find
the cause
> and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of
Mikrotik.
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

[Bret Clark]

Can't say I've seen that yet, but we have newer Mikrotiks...Of course 
the bigger question is "what happens if you do make that change and your 
problem doesn't go away?".

On 09/16/2010 02:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> If it doesn't work for you it doesn't work, no need to try and fix it
> if Ubiquiti works.
>
> Though I am curious to know how it lost its configuration as I have
> only seen that on two occurrences, on an rb153 and rb532 (which are
> pretty old).
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Forbes Mercy
>   wrote:
>
>>   I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every
>> Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT.
>> I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just
>> dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today
>> another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers.  You
>> can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause
>> and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

[Bret Clark]

First at the interface level, you need to enable WMM.

Then I set up the following rules which ensures that DSCP sets layer 2 
priority WMM needs:


"/ip firewall mangle
add action=set-priority chain=prerouting comment="VoIP WMM " disabled=no 
new-priority=from-dscp passthrough=yes protocol=\

udp "

Most VoIP services tend to use DSCP of 46.

Then I set a somewhat broadbase firewall/queue rule which basically says 
UDP packets should get preference since 99.9% of VoIP is UDP and I make 
it the first queue rule before all others.


"/ip firewall mangle> add action=mark-packet chain=forward comment=VoIP 
disabled=no in-interface=ether1 new-packet-mark=VoIP \

passthrough=no protocol=udp"

"/queue simple
add burst-limit=0/0 burst-threshold=0/0 burst-time=0s/0s comment="" 
direction=both disabled=no dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 interface=all \
limit-at=0/0 max-limit=0/0 name="VoIP Traffic" packet-marks=VoIP 
parent=none priority=1 queue=synchronous-default/synchronous-default \

total-queue=default-small"

These rules can be massaged quite a bit to be more specific since a lot 
of other apps use UDP too. Some things we'll do to make the rule more 
specific is find out the users VoIP provider and then setup the queue 
based on the VoIP's IP block.


On 09/14/2010 07:36 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

What specific rules did you add for your voip.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2010, at 5:21 AM, Bret Clark <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:


We enabled it both in the CPE and AP. We also added queue rules in 
both the CPE and AP to ensure that VoIP traffic got priority not just 
at layer 2, but layer 3.


On 09/13/2010 10:43 PM, RickG wrote:

Did you do that in your firewall, the ap, or both?

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Bret Clark 
mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:


We enabled WMM on our Mikrotik's and then just added a Mangle
rule to
ensure the DSCP was marked correctly, this solved VoIP issues
for our users.


On 09/13/2010 02:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> I see, you're talking about quality not raw speeds - you said
> "complaints about slowdowns".  I would say TDMA would be the
best bet
> to solve this problem cost effectively.
>
> If you half the channel size, half the number of clients.  Not the
> other way around.
>
>
>> Can the UBNT co-exist
>>
> Contract issues says he can only replace the radio, not add
more equipment.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM, John Vogelmailto:jvo...@vogent.net>>  wrote:
>
>> Can the UBNT co-exist with MT APs in the same environment or
will the UBNT
>> wipe out all other 802.11x based APs on nearby channels
within hearing
>> distance?
>>
>> On 9/13/2010 1:10 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
>>
>> > From personal experience I can tell you that you will be
very happy when
>> you make the switch.  I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP
units, pings went
>> from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no
matter what
>> time.  Just be ready for three things, you can't put
usernames in the ACL
>> like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects
filtering to be
>> done in your router before their equipment, and it will never
go down
>> because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have
>> overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't
happen on
>> Ubiquity.  Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use
dual-polarity you
>> can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its
far better to
>> have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means
replacing CPE so that
>> all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy
(relative to
>> UBNT's low cost) but worth it.
>>
>> Forbes Mercy
>> Washington Broadband
>>
>> On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>>
>> All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and
UBNT.   I have a
>> AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about
slowdowns.
>> They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g.  This is a tower
that due to
>> contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment.  So I am
considering
>> taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up
a UBNT Rocket
>> and Airmax 120 

Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

[Bret Clark]

We enabled it both in the CPE and AP. We also added queue rules in both 
the CPE and AP to ensure that VoIP traffic got priority not just at 
layer 2, but layer 3.


On 09/13/2010 10:43 PM, RickG wrote:

Did you do that in your firewall, the ap, or both?

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Bret Clark <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:


We enabled WMM on our Mikrotik's and then just added a Mangle rule to
ensure the DSCP was marked correctly, this solved VoIP issues for
our users.


On 09/13/2010 02:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> I see, you're talking about quality not raw speeds - you said
> "complaints about slowdowns".  I would say TDMA would be the
best bet
> to solve this problem cost effectively.
>
> If you half the channel size, half the number of clients.  Not the
> other way around.
>
>
>> Can the UBNT co-exist
>>
> Contract issues says he can only replace the radio, not add more
equipment.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM, John Vogelmailto:jvo...@vogent.net>>  wrote:
>
>> Can the UBNT co-exist with MT APs in the same environment or
will the UBNT
>> wipe out all other 802.11x based APs on nearby channels within
hearing
>> distance?
>>
>> On 9/13/2010 1:10 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
>>
>> > From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very
happy when
>> you make the switch.  I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP
units, pings went
>> from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no
matter what
>> time.  Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames
in the ACL
>> like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects
filtering to be
>> done in your router before their equipment, and it will never
go down
>> because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have
>> overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't
happen on
>> Ubiquity.  Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use
dual-polarity you
>> can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far
better to
>> have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing
CPE so that
>> all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy
(relative to
>> UBNT's low cost) but worth it.
>>
>> Forbes Mercy
>> Washington Broadband
>>
>> On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>>
>> All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and
UBNT.   I have a
>> AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about
slowdowns.
>> They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g.  This is a tower
that due to
>> contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment.  So I am
considering
>> taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a
UBNT Rocket
>> and Airmax 120 sector.  It will take time to physically switch
all my
>> clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it
done before
>> the snow flies.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone down this?  Success?  I know I cannot turn on Airmax
till
>> everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work
fine till you
>> get it on?
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>>
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

[Bret Clark]

We enabled WMM on our Mikrotik's and then just added a Mangle rule to 
ensure the DSCP was marked correctly, this solved VoIP issues for our users.


On 09/13/2010 02:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> I see, you're talking about quality not raw speeds - you said
> "complaints about slowdowns".  I would say TDMA would be the best bet
> to solve this problem cost effectively.
>
> If you half the channel size, half the number of clients.  Not the
> other way around.
>
>
>> Can the UBNT co-exist
>>  
> Contract issues says he can only replace the radio, not add more equipment.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:17 PM, John Vogel  wrote:
>
>> Can the UBNT co-exist with MT APs in the same environment or will the UBNT
>> wipe out all other 802.11x based APs on nearby channels within hearing
>> distance?
>>
>> On 9/13/2010 1:10 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
>>
>> > From personal experience I can tell you that you will be very happy when
>> you make the switch.  I just replaced three Mikrotik BH/AP units, pings went
>> from their rather wild 30-120ms swings to a steady 15ms no matter what
>> time.  Just be ready for three things, you can't put usernames in the ACL
>> like Mikrotik, there is less routing because UBNT expects filtering to be
>> done in your router before their equipment, and it will never go down
>> because it's just a transparent bridge so traffic that would have
>> overwhelmed Mikrotik equipment and crashed the LAN port won't happen on
>> Ubiquity.  Oh and you're right, I've found that if you use dual-polarity you
>> can't mix that with non-dual and connections with non-, its far better to
>> have all Airmax running rather than a mix, this means replacing CPE so that
>> all customers on that tower are the same equipment, spendy (relative to
>> UBNT's low cost) but worth it.
>>
>> Forbes Mercy
>> Washington Broadband
>>
>> On 9/13/2010 10:31 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>>
>> All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE’s are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT.   I have a
>> AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints about slowdowns.
>> They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g.  This is a tower that due to
>> contractual issues I cannot add anymore equipment.  So I am considering
>> taking down the Mikrotik and 120 degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket
>> and Airmax 120 sector.  It will take time to physically switch all my
>> clients to new UBNT Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before
>> the snow flies.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone down this?  Success?  I know I cannot turn on Airmax till
>> everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work fine till you
>> get it on?
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

[Bret Clark]

Can you go to a bigger channel size? Are the CPE's running any form of QoS?

On 09/13/2010 01:43 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:


*At peak times I am running about 4-6M 95^th percentile on this one AP. *

* *

*Steve Barnes *

RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service 

*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman

*Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2010 1:34 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Taking the plunge

What kind of bandwidth are you pushing through the ap now?

On Sep 13, 2010 1:32 PM, "Steve Barnes" mailto:st...@pcswin.com>> wrote:

All my APs are Mikrotik. My CPE's are a mix of Tranzeo and UBNT. 
 I have a AP with 58 Clients on it and starting to get complaints

about slowdowns.  They are all setup 10 MHz channel 802.11g.  This
is a tower that due to contractual issues I cannot add anymore
equipment.  So I am considering taking down the Mikrotik and 120
degree sector and putting up a UBNT Rocket and Airmax 120 sector. 
It will take time to physically switch all my clients to new UBNT

Airmax equipment but would like to get it done before the snow flies.

Has anyone down this?  Success?  I know I cannot turn on Airmax
till everyone is on the UBNT with that capability but does it work
fine till you get it on?

*Steve Barnes*

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Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis

[Bret Clark]

Agree for the most part, but as of recently we've been dealing with the 
latency through their network over in the New England 
region...frustratingly, Cogent is not owning up to it at the moment, but 
I'm guessing with their low Mbps per pricing and the economy being in 
the dumps, they've probably have done well in selling onto their network 
which has now become oversubscribe...well at least in the Boston-NYC 
corridor as other parts of their network seem fine.

Bret

On 09/10/2010 11:00 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
> Nothing wrong with cogent ..
>
> ---
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:16 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
>
>I believe WISPerISP (or something like that) has a Cogent pipe (in
> addition to others) out of St. Louis.  Might want to hit them up to ask.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2010 9:07 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:
>
>> Anyone peer with Cogent in St Louis?  Goods? Bads? Have heard mostly
>> positive but real-world feedback would be great.
>>
>> Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] Recommendation on Redline's PtP line?

[Bret Clark]

One thing nice about Redlines is that you put them up and seem to forget 
about them. We use them as our primary PTP links between bases. They are 
very nice units, but won't argue that they are expensive.

On 09/08/2010 09:54 PM, Francois Menard wrote:
> Was just quoted sub $7K for a pair of AN80i @ 3.65 GHz.
> 70 mbps on a 20 MHz channel.
>
> Intend on trying it ASAP.  I have more faith in this as a solid BH than a 
> pair of RocketM365... then again, a pair of those with RocketDishes is sub 
> 900$ ...
>
> F.
>
> On 2010-09-08, at 3:12 PM, Rogelio wrote:
>
>
>> I've got a project where I need some affordable PtP links with as
>> little latency as possible, and a friend recommended Redline
>>
>> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProducts.do?skus=344025%2C344476&WT.mc_id=enews&contactID=13579320&gwkey=SVRE3SHRV3
>>
>> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=344476&eventPage=1
>> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=344025&eventPage=1
>>
>> They are TDD, and from what I hear, they are conservative in their
>> throughput numbers but tend to outperform other vendors who inflate
>> their numbers.
>>
>> Any input there?  The ones I listed there run about $1600 retail on
>> TESSCO's site.
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Re: [WISPA] FW: FIPS 140-2

[Bret Clark]

Seems Meru has a solution or try googling "802.11 fips"
http://www.merunetworks.com/corporate/press_releases/index.php?articleID=091609

On 09/07/2010 05:30 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

For some reason, they say they can't use 802.16 -- it has to be 802.11.
Kevin

- Original Message -
*From:* Dave Rumore 
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*Sent:* Tuesday, September 07, 2010 2:24 PM
*Subject:* [WISPA] FW: FIPS 140-2

The Redline AN-80i is FIPS 140-2 certified in both PtP and PtMP
but they are 802.16 based not 802.11.  They are also the most
widely deployed COTS (commercial off the shelf) broadband radios
in US DoD today.  I hope this helps.

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Possibly RedLine or Alvarion, but I think they are only AES256. 
BridgeWave PtP has been our radio of choice for FIPS 140-2

requirements.

Best,

Brad

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We have a customer that is part of the Federal government, and
they are looking for a FIPS 140-2 certified 802.11-based PtMP
outdoor solution. Anyone have any ideas?

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

[Bret Clark]

I agree...the economy sucks, use it to your advantage. Tell your vendor 
you're having a hard time paying the current rate and that you need to 
get the price lowered or you may have to look at closing your doors. 
You'll be amazed at how many will change their tune regarding contract 
terms.

Another thing to try is that if you can get a lower price you'll reup on 
the contract for another 3 years...or whatever your current contract 
period was.

Bret

On 09/01/2010 08:13 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Not so fast... Sure, if the other party wont let you out of a contract, the
> ethical thing to do is honor it.
> BUT... its not unethical for the two parties involved to mutually agree to
> change an agreement for mutual benefit. Most contracts specifically allow
> that.
> There are many reasons a party might want to let the other party out of a
> contract term or renegotiate it.
>
> A vendor does not benefit if a Buyer goes out of business.
> A Vendor does not benefit if a Buyer is locked in for another year at a high
> rate, if that rate forces the buyer to signup with another provider at a
> lower rate for the rest of enternity.
> Its called "customer retention".  When the market changes sometime contracts
> need to adapt with the new market conditions.
> One must also ask what it might cost to inforce a contract, and sometimes
> taht is more than the revenue that would be discounted by keeping the
> custoemr happy and retained long term and paying on time.
>
> I'm not going to mention any names, but at ISPCON, someone I considered a
> mentor spoke at a session, and what he learned was So what if there is a
> contract... Hold out, and convince your vendors why they should work with
> you on price. While under contract, he was able to get most vendors to lower
> prices, for mutual benefit.
>
> Admittedly, ATT is not like a company that would easily budge on contract
> terms, expecially in an underserved area where they are a near monopoly, but
> it doesn't mean that they wont.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Travis Johnson"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
>
>
>
>>   So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end
>> of the contract? How does that make sense?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
>>  
>>> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
>>> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
>>> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
>>> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
>>> do any BGP peering?
>>>
>>> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
>>> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
>>> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
>>> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
>>> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
>>> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
>>> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
>>> under contract...
>>>
>>> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>>>
>>> Eric Rogers
>>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>>> (317) 831-3000 x200
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

[Bret Clark]

Do I dare say we have two (2) 100Mbs circuits for $1500 :)! Of course we 
were fortunate that we were able to run a wireless backhaul link to a 
CLEC hotel and thus only have to pay for the data portion since we 
eliminated the ridiculously cost of the last mile loop charges the ILEC 
gets.

We also are possibly looking at Comcast for a third BGP session, but it 
is my understanding that they only provide BGP on their Ethernet fiber 
services...haven't yet confirmed that though.

http://business.comcast.com/ethernet/dedicated-internet.aspx



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> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
> do any BGP peering?
>
> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
> under contract...
>
> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>
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> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

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On 08/31/2010 06:02 PM, MDK wrote:
> As the distances go up, the longer it takes for the packet to be transmitted
> from one point to another, and the round trip time grows, which reduces the
> throughput.
>
That doesn't sound right to me...radio waves travel at the speed of 
light. There is some round trip time for internal electronics 
processing, but usually what happens is that on further links the 
radio's have to go to a more robust modulation scheme such as QPSK 
rather them QAM so you can't transmit as much info. Of course to 
compensate for that you can increase the frequency being used, higher 
power, etc.

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

[Bret Clark]

I know with our older Tranzeo's it was a common problem, since we switch 
to MT, we haven't seen that problem, plus the features MT provides is 
light years beyond any Tranzeo.

Bret

On 08/31/2010 12:05 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
> I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming
> back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is with
> AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will not
> come back after making a change.
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> Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem, or MT?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

[Bret Clark]

Mikrotik would work too...worst case you put them off center a bit to 
help degrade signal if they are too hot.


On 08/30/2010 12:43 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:


Yes, clear LOS.  Considered the Nanostations.  Prefer a Mikrotik 
solution though.


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*On Behalf Of *RickG

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You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley > wrote:


Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150') 
with power that's able to adjust down to where it doesn't burn up 
radios.  Has to mount outside, and no, there's no way to run Ethernet 
or fiber in this situation.  Bandwidth is not that big of a deal -- 
3-6meg will be more than enough.  Need only for VoIP traffic between 
two buildings.


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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Bret Clark]

On 08/26/2010 05:59 PM, David E. Smith wrote:



On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 16:55, Jeremie Chism > wrote:


Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here.
At 189.99 for 50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a
backup connection if my main connection failed. Talked to the
sales manager and they had no problem with it and would put it on
the contract. Any suggestions or has anyone else had a dealing
with this type connection as a backup.


Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you 
can keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really 
desperate, and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you 
wouldn't want to do that for more than a couple hours while the real 
links are repaired.


David Smith
MVN.net



And I don't believe Comcast offers BGP not to mention you mileage will 
vary with the quality of the link. Tends to be great when you're the 
first one on it, but as they start overselling their backbone quality 
drops dramatically...we've had quite few customers come back to us for 
this exact reason. I suppose in a pinch it would be better then nothing.


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Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive outdoor netcam

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Actually I got the sign idea because we are right next to an FAA tower 
and that is exactly the sign they have on their gated fence...although 
in the FAA's case it's probably true!

On 08/25/2010 07:12 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>heh, there's already someone complaining about the health effects of
> the tower.  :-p
>
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> On 8/25/2010 6:07 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>
>> Sometimes a simple sign and fake camera is all you need. Also get a sign
>> that says "High Powered MIcrowave in use and unauthorized entry could
>> result in Death!"
>>
>> On 08/24/2010 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>  
>>>  I'm looking for an inexpensive outdoor netcam.  Inexpensive because
>>> funds are slim as I rebuild the network I just bought.  I need it
>>> because a tower of mine was vandalized today.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive outdoor netcam

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Sometimes a simple sign and fake camera is all you need. Also get a sign 
that says "High Powered MIcrowave in use and unauthorized entry could 
result in Death!"

On 08/24/2010 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>I'm looking for an inexpensive outdoor netcam.  Inexpensive because
> funds are slim as I rebuild the network I just bought.  I need it
> because a tower of mine was vandalized today.
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Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster

[Bret Clark]

900MHz is scary to work with...we've seen problems in the past from 
someone just getting a wireless 900MHz baby monitor  that would affect 
others in the general area of the home.

It could also be that someone is hogging or trashing your bandwidth too. 
Do you implement any type of QoS?

On 08/18/2010 11:11 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Changed frequencies?
>
> Are all customers having problems or just several? many?
>
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> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, ~NGL~  wrote:
>
>> I have a tower with all Tranzeo equipment.
>> Backhaul to tower is TR-5plus 5.8
>> The AP is TR-902 NF with a 180 degree antenna.
>> 50 TR-902-11 as clients
>>
>> All was working well until about 10 days ago when we noticed the speeds were
>> starting to decline.
>> Since then it is a nightmare speeds are usually good 3000Mbps up and 1.2
>> down]
>> Then during the next 4-5 hour speed decline to about 100k up
>>
>> Speeds remain good and constant thru the backhaul
>>
>> We have done the following:
>> Changed the AP
>> Rewired the tower
>> Replaced the power to the AP
>>
>> Any suggestions as to what problem is.
>>
>> We are a small company and this could break us
>> NGL
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[Bret Clark]

Would Google say it was true???

On 08/05/2010 01:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Google updated Twitter saying that story is false.

On Aug 5, 2010 1:46 PM, "Patrick Leary" > wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
1617.html 



They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
blackmail content providers. "Want your content to get through faster?
Pay us." That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.

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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

[Bret Clark]

Sounds a lot like a proxy arp issue where a device is trying to answer 
for all the other devices and  clearly on a big network that is not 
going to work well.



On 08/01/2010 02:20 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:
   If it is bridged a single router plugged in backwords can bring 
down the whole network.  Some 750's would be a good fix.When I had 
HighGain Aps as bridges we would run into this problem as well.  I 
never figured it out because we eventually went to MT aps.

--
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Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support


*From: *Kurt Fankhauser 
*Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
*Date: *Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:09:29 -0400
*To: *'WISPA General List' 
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Forbes,

I remember seeing something similar to this on the list a few months back.
Turned out he guy was running a bridged network and water got into the
Ethernet connector on a Bullet and was causing Layer2 broadcast storms on
the network. Very similar results to what you are reporting.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
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Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to
have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to
where, how how long.  The tower that was affected by last nights
lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it.  The outages were so
extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later
65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming
from.  I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core
router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been
compromised but show run didn't reveal anything.  Oh the other thing,
every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the
network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use
it said it was in use.  I had to repair my connection often just to do
work on the network and it would work for a while then again say
duplicate IP.  That's why I'm convinced it's traffic.

I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers
there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on
but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on
but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night.
Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our
12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet
drop in the filters.  My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this
business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in
town and they both said "geez I don't know you wireless guys have way
bigger networks than we do".  sigh.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

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We went through an independent broker who essentially had created a
small business group plan of area businesses that help keep cost down
verses us going to the insurer ourselves. Another thing to consider is
Health Savings Accounts (HSA) which are a lot less then regular health
insurance but at least affords some piece of mind for employees in the
event they are faced with a serious medical or health issue. 

Bret

On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 19:07 -0400, David Weddell wrote:
> I know that we are constantly battling pricing in health insurance. We
> would be interested in how we could participate in a “WISPA” group
> plan and with 60+ employees and families that we cover, you can
> imagine our monthly premium. I would assume that in an association
> plan, the more that participate, the better rates could be negotiated.
> We would be interested in helping with negotiations if needed. I
> believe this is a great idea and could benefit WISPA as a whole and
> encourage membership as well. 
> 
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> From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Rick Harnish
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:40 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com
> Subject: [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
> 
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> 
> I am curious about all the small operators out there.  What are you
> doing for Health Insurance?  Do you have individual policies?  Are you
> on your wife’s policy?  Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health
> Insurance Plan?  
> 
>  
> 
> I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks.  I will
> most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together
> with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is.  Between now and
> then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth
> our effort.
> 
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> 
> My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not
> have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their
> employees or themselves.  Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and
> improve your coverage.
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Bret Clark]

Pay for all local inbound and outbound calls. "Unmeasured" was free 
local calls...still paid for LD.


On 07/27/2010 06:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What do you mean "measured"?

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Bret Clark <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:


Ouch...is that measure or unmeasured? Measured around NH is about
$10-$12 minus the slush fund and bogus add on fees. I think last
time I checked total was about $15-$20 including fees.

On 07/27/2010 05:01 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Where are you getting PSTN for 10/mo? We start at 60/mo with no
features or usage from three large telcos around here.


    On Jul 27, 2010 4:57 PM, "Bret Clark" mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:

Why not just get a basic business measured POT's line...probably
$10 a month? There are lots of devices that will run off of
touch tone signaling in which you can issue turnoff/turnon
commands.


On 07/27/2010 04:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Bret Clark]

Ouch...is that measure or unmeasured? Measured around NH is about 
$10-$12 minus the slush fund and bogus add on fees. I think last time I 
checked total was about $15-$20 including fees.


On 07/27/2010 05:01 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Where are you getting PSTN for 10/mo? We start at 60/mo with no 
features or usage from three large telcos around here.


On Jul 27, 2010 4:57 PM, "Bret Clark" <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:


Why not just get a basic business measured POT's line...probably $10 
a month? There are lots of devices that will run off of touch tone 
signaling in which you can issue turnoff/turnon commands.



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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Bret Clark]

Why not just get a basic business measured POT's line...probably $10 a 
month? There are lots of devices that will run off of touch tone 
signaling in which you can issue turnoff/turnon commands.


On 07/27/2010 04:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They still them and actively support them in many areas, according to 
them.  They say the problem is that the paging providers are closing 
down in some areas due to the economy.

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On 7/27/2010 1:04 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a 
few, but they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my 
units...now they are paperweights.


Cameron

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


 What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.

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Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

[Bret Clark]

I'm not sure I buy it...I can see you picking up the signal, but there 
is no way in hell that a netbook can transmit that far.

On 06/12/2010 11:34 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
> with a 1W amp.
>
> Chuck Profito wrote:
>
>> probably a ruckus on the other end
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of MDK
>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:16 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?
>>
>> This evening I was at one of my access points... one that has several
>> backhauls and various 2.4 and 5 ghz ap's at it.
>>
>> After I was done with my few minutes of doing things, I wanted to make sure
>> I had not physically disconnected or accidentally unhooked anything (messing
>>
>> with the batteries, checking water levels, etc).I pulled out a netbook.
>> Acer Aspire One to be precise, running windows xp, using the normal wifi
>> card it came with.   I fired it up (it is set to "any" so it simply
>> associates to the access points that are open at home, work, etc), and after
>>
>> I was done, noted it said it was connected, at which point I opened google
>> on the browser to confirm connectivity.   Google popped up, meaning things
>> were connected, and then I decided to run a speed test.   I got about 30KB/s
>>
>> speed, which is like painfully slow.   I was standing outside, with the
>> netbook sitting on the hood of my truck.
>>
>> So, I decided to see what it was associated to, and it was another access
>> point ...  11 MILES AWAY!   I confirmed it by the SSID and by the ip dhcp
>> had assigned, as belonging to the ap 11 miles distant.
>>
>> It has no external antenna, just the one the factory built into the netbook.
>>
>> I have detected, using netstumbler and the internal antenna on my laptop
>> (dell C610 and CM9 installed) access points over 24 miles away before, but
>> this is the longest, by far, I have been able to get a real connection, dhcp
>>
>> assignment, and transfer data.
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

[Bret Clark]

Probably talking about the built in one with FF.

On 06/10/2010 10:06 AM, Robert West wrote:
> I do.  I boycott those toolbars.  I'm sure the Google bar is one of the
> actually useful ones but the majority of them are  C R A P.
>
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.
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> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 00:24, Robert West
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>> What be this Google visual abomination!!!
>>  
> Does anyone actually use the Google front page? I just go straight to
> the Google search bar in my browser.
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Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

[Bret Clark]

Feeling competitive pressure from Bing!

On 06/10/2010 08:10 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> The Future
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