[WISPA] Power Airfiber via alternate port?
Does the AF24 supports POE on the mngmt port? Got a situation where I need to power the AF24 via another port… not on the data port Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Power Airfiber via alternate port?
Gino, I don't think so. I think I tried with the last set and had no luck. Sent email to Matt Hardy or Ben Moore for sure. Post to ubnt_us...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_us...@wispa.org they roam there sometime. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Power Airfiber via alternate port? Does the AF24 supports POE on the mngmt port? Got a situation where I need to power the AF24 via another port... not on the data port Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Power over Ethernet Ubiquiti Radios
I think the Pac Wireless would be cheaper for 1amp. It's definitely easier to mount. I had problems in October/November with the camera on a Rocket M2 GPS. It's been just fine since December (to today, May). It has been running a 5.5beta since around this time, I believe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Ben West b...@gowasabi.net wrote: As a previous poster mentioned, this feature on Nanostation M5 and M2 is called POE passthrough, and it has a checkbox to enable it on the AirOS web UI. This will let you power a 2nd 24V POE device from the Secondary port of the Nanostation, using a single POE supply. I use the POE-24-1 (aka 24V 1amp) supply from UBNT when powering 2 devices like this. I've read other folks on the UBNT customer forum try powering more than 2 units from a single power supply, e.g. 2 Nanostations and then a 3rd device daisy-chained together, tho I believe UBNT doesn't support this. HOWEVER, do please note the POE passthrough feature on the Nanostation M's has been consistently problematic. When I first tried to have an NSM5 power a 2nd access point 18months ago, I found that my NSM5's would commonly burn out a FET inside after ~1week operation, causing the POE enable switch to henceforth become stuck on regardless of firmware setting. Sometimes this burn out event would put the NSM5 in a reboot loop until I reflashed it. More recently, it seems UBNT might have released a batch of NSM5 that actually brick themselves when you enable the POE passthrough, requiring an RMA. I had just this happen to an NSM5 I bought in April. https://forum.ubnt.com/showthread.php?p=270549 The suggested work-around, as mentioned above, is to swap the Main and Secondary ports on the Nanostation if you want to power a 2nd device, and not use firmware POE passthrough enable at all. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: A good thing to know about the UBNT gear is if for some reason supplying PoE via the main port stops working, you can supply PoE via the secondary port whether or not the PoE passthrough option is enabled. Greg -- Ben West http://gowasabi.net b...@gowasabi.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Power over Ethernet Ubiquiti Radios
Our vendor told us that if we purchase the higher watt power adapter that we can use the same power adapter for both our Nanostation and our Pico. Is there a setting in the Nano we need to turn on for the second POE for the Pico? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Power over Ethernet Ubiquiti Radios
you have to enable POE Pass through in the GUI of the NSM On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.netwrote: Our vendor told us that if we purchase the higher watt power adapter that we can use the same power adapter for both our Nanostation and our Pico. Is there a setting in the Nano we need to turn on for the second POE for the Pico? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Power over Ethernet Ubiquiti Radios
Is this on the advanced tab? Also, I was reading where people enabled this and then their radio was bricked?? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of timothy steele Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power over Ethernet Ubiquiti Radios you have to enable POE Pass through in the GUI of the NSM On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net wrote: Our vendor told us that if we purchase the higher watt power adapter that we can use the same power adapter for both our Nanostation and our Pico. Is there a setting in the Nano we need to turn on for the second POE for the Pico? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Power over Ethernet Ubiquiti Radios
A good thing to know about the UBNT gear is if for some reason supplying PoE via the main port stops working, you can supply PoE via the secondary port whether or not the PoE passthrough option is enabled. Greg On May 29, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: Is this on the advanced tab? Also, I was reading where people enabled this and then their radio was bricked?? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of timothy steele Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power over Ethernet Ubiquiti Radios you have to enable POE Pass through in the GUI of the NSM On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net wrote: Our vendor told us that if we purchase the higher watt power adapter that we can use the same power adapter for both our Nanostation and our Pico. Is there a setting in the Nano we need to turn on for the second POE for the Pico? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Power over Ethernet Ubiquiti Radios
As a previous poster mentioned, this feature on Nanostation M5 and M2 is called POE passthrough, and it has a checkbox to enable it on the AirOS web UI. This will let you power a 2nd 24V POE device from the Secondary port of the Nanostation, using a single POE supply. I use the POE-24-1 (aka 24V 1amp) supply from UBNT when powering 2 devices like this. I've read other folks on the UBNT customer forum try powering more than 2 units from a single power supply, e.g. 2 Nanostations and then a 3rd device daisy-chained together, tho I believe UBNT doesn't support this. HOWEVER, do please note the POE passthrough feature on the Nanostation M's has been consistently problematic. When I first tried to have an NSM5 power a 2nd access point 18months ago, I found that my NSM5's would commonly burn out a FET inside after ~1week operation, causing the POE enable switch to henceforth become stuck on regardless of firmware setting. Sometimes this burn out event would put the NSM5 in a reboot loop until I reflashed it. More recently, it seems UBNT might have released a batch of NSM5 that actually brick themselves when you enable the POE passthrough, requiring an RMA. I had just this happen to an NSM5 I bought in April. https://forum.ubnt.com/showthread.php?p=270549 The suggested work-around, as mentioned above, is to swap the Main and Secondary ports on the Nanostation if you want to power a 2nd device, and not use firmware POE passthrough enable at all. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: A good thing to know about the UBNT gear is if for some reason supplying PoE via the main port stops working, you can supply PoE via the secondary port whether or not the PoE passthrough option is enabled. Greg -- Ben West http://gowasabi.net b...@gowasabi.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
We use the SMART UPS series with AP9617 control / monitor cards. If you get the XL (extended run) versions, they usually have an external DC battery connector that you can add additional batteries to. We have many of these in the field with years of run time. Expect to change batteries every 2.5 years if you want to prevent failures, or every 3-4 years if failure is acceptable. Marco On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.comwrote: We use the 1500 APCs (non SMART-ups), but when the batteries are at the end of their life, the entire unit shuts off and we have to visit the site. We still continue to use them until we find something better, but at about 3 years, expect the sites to randomly shut off. ** ** Eric ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200 with an AP9617. Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC from utility to your radios. I think 80 watts gets you an hour of uptime? I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new batteries. Running three of them for a couple of years now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: ** ** What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach...* *** On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO.*** * Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness.* *** Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I have seen the all DC thing done a few ways. 1.2 deep cycle batteries for the 24 volt stuff and 1 12 volt for routers. This requires 2 chargers. The advantage is you can power the routers without them overheating, especially the 450's. 2.You can get a box which steps down voltage from 24 to 12. We will be at Vegas and can show you how we do things. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter From: Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing evdo.hs...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 21:22:19 -0700 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Scott... i forwarded this to my engineering buddy at a major Wisp... ... lets see he can chip in some. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: 24v to poe is fine, we don't power anything directly except routers Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- Robert Q Kim SEO Marketing Advisor Google Page 1 http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Power for tower sites
Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Power with 12v then? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO.*** * ** ** Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? ** ** Chris ** ** ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness.* *** ** ** Justin ** ** -- Justin Wilson http://j...@mtin.netj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/bloghttp://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2swhttp://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter ** ** *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comwww.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11*** * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Do you need 120vac? I have a fair amount of experience with inverters, which basically is a UPS that doesn't come with a battery. I find them to be much better quality than a UPS. I would definitely use an inverter before I'd use a UPS. I realize the UPS have monitoring and remote control features that you might not get with inverters but I'd add something to give me that functionality. One feature you'll get with the better inverters is the ability to tailor your charge cycle and depth of discharge before the LVD kicks in to your battery bank. If you have the capacity to justify an Outback brand inverter they are great. We use them in the Amazon where we get some wicked lightning and they do really good. Some Engineers that used to be with Trace left and started Outback. If you don't need 120vac and could use just 12 and 24vdc I'd use separate battery banks for both voltages with a good battery charger that charges each 12 volt cell individually even though they're in series. I know of a good charger (I can't think of the brand right now) that does multiple cells. It's basically a bank of chargers in once case. It maintains each battery perfectly according to it's own needs. Though that charger is not adjustable, it's strictly for normal lead acid deep cycle batteries. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Are you connecting the marine batteries in parallel with the internal gel-cell battieries on the UPS? If so, not good. Lead-acid and gel-cells charge at different rates. Disconnect the gel-cells. Run off just the marine batteries. Rod == - Original Message - From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:45 PM Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I have heard that, but I have 100's of 411s all powered with PacWireless 24V POE. We have 40 or more RB433 and RB433AH all powered with 24. The key here is, at towers we us adjustable power supplies and adjust it while watch the RB's reported voltage. We never exceed 24.5 volts and all seems well. We use MeanWell AD-155B supplies or MeanWell DR-24-120 with Meanwell UPS-40. Not DC to AC conversion so the batteries will run the equipment much longer than a normal UPS. On 9/20/2011 12:51 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com mailto:pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
+1 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I have heard that, but I have 100's of 411s all powered with PacWireless 24V POE. We have 40 or more RB433 and RB433AH all powered with 24. The key here is, at towers we us adjustable power supplies and adjust it while watch the RB's reported voltage. We never exceed 24.5 volts and all seems well. We use MeanWell AD-155B supplies or MeanWell DR-24-120 with Meanwell UPS-40. Not DC to AC conversion so the batteries will run the equipment much longer than a normal UPS. On 9/20/2011 12:51 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
On 9/20/2011 12:51 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin This may answer why I was experiencing some weird problems with some rb433's I had powered with 24V power supplies. I had to replace them because they were locking up on me. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com mailto:pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
+1 on outback from what I've heard, I was just never able to justify more than xantrex for my purposes. I have found some really really great prices for xantrex on ebay from time to time. You could use a 24v flavor inverter charger and then use a voltage regulator to take the sloppy battery 24v and regulate it for the 24v powered devices perhaps... This would still offer power for 120vac loads if you have those as well. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: +1 ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:09 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** I have heard that, but I have 100's of 411s all powered with PacWireless 24V POE. We have 40 or more RB433 and RB433AH all powered with 24. The key here is, at towers we us adjustable power supplies and adjust it while watch the RB's reported voltage. We never exceed 24.5 volts and all seems well. We use MeanWell AD-155B supplies or MeanWell DR-24-120 with Meanwell UPS-40. Not DC to AC conversion so the batteries will run the equipment much longer than a normal UPS. On 9/20/2011 12:51 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. ** ** Justin ** ** -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter ** ** *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** ** ** ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org ** ** Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration ** ** ** ** Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11*** * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
We are using just the wet cell batteries. The idea was to make use of some old UPS where the batteries had died. Has anyone heard of an issue where the UPS is looking for 13+ volts and the marine batteries are outputting only 12 volts and this causes a problem? Is anyone successfully running a configuration similar to ours that I might learn from? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rod Shepardson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Are you connecting the marine batteries in parallel with the internal gel-cell battieries on the UPS? If so, not good. Lead-acid and gel-cells charge at different rates. Disconnect the gel-cells. Run off just the marine batteries. Rod == - Original Message - From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:45 PM Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net http://Csweb.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
In 24V, something like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/XANTREX-TRACE-TR1524-INVERTER-CHARGER-1500-WATT-24-V-/180574328564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2a0b1196f4#ht_4910wt_1139 might do what you want... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. ** ** ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. ** ** Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach...* *** On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO.*** * Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness.* *** Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11*** * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net http://Csweb.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200 with an AP9617. Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC from utility to your radios. I think 80 watts gets you an hour of uptime? I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new batteries. Running three of them for a couple of years now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 ** ** ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** How much do you want to spend? ** ** Greg ** ** On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach...* *** On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO.*** * Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness.* *** Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
We use the 1500 APCs (non SMART-ups), but when the batteries are at the end of their life, the entire unit shuts off and we have to visit the site. We still continue to use them until we find something better, but at about 3 years, expect the sites to randomly shut off. Eric From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200 with an AP9617. Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC from utility to your radios. I think 80 watts gets you an hour of uptime? I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new batteries. Running three of them for a couple of years now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Wow, that's scraping the bottom of the barrel. At that price you might be able to get something from Tripplite that includes charger if you find a really good deal. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
It sounds to me like Pat's issue is the power is bad enough there that the UPS is going to invert often and it's killing his batteries because the UPS charges a lot more slowly than it discharges the batteries when it's inverting. There's a ratio of invert to charge time that if you exceed it can't keep up. I suspect if he just added a battery charger to what he's presently got he would find his batteries would last as they should. That would explain the battery issue, but why are the UPS going bad? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200 with an AP9617. Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC from utility to your radios. I think 80 watts gets you an hour of uptime? I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new batteries. Running three of them for a couple of years now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Here's what I would recommend: 120W 24V power supply - 43.65 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/dr-120-24.shtml 24V UPS Module - 44.46 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/dr-ups40.shtml 24V DC/AC Inverter - 169.86 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/ts-200-124a.shtml 257.97 plus shipping. Plus throw in 2 - 18Ah or 35Ah SLA's and you got a nice setup. Chris This is of course an AC/DC/AC setup. Throw in a couple of Packet Flux POE switches and a site monitor and you could get rid of the inverter. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net http://Csweb.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Get the sdr-120-24. Cheaper and smaller but otherwise identical. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sep 20, 2011 6:37 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Here's what I would recommend: 120W 24V power supply - 43.65 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/dr-120-24.shtml 24V UPS Module - 44.46 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/dr-ups40.shtml 24V DC/AC Inverter - 169.86 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/ts-200-124a.shtml 257.97 plus shipping. Plus throw in 2 - 18Ah or 35Ah SLA's and you got a nice setup. Chris This is of course an AC/DC/AC setup. Throw in a couple of Packet Flux POE switches and a site monitor and you could get rid of the inverter. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net http://Csweb.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Scott... i forwarded this to my engineering buddy at a major Wisp... ... lets see he can chip in some. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: 24v to poe is fine, we don't power anything directly except routers Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- Robert Q Kim SEO Marketing Advisor Google Page 1 http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
A poor man's repeater sometimes requires a poor man's solution. Probably whichever way you point it you will get signals from several paths. You could impact other users on the sector. 1) move the CPE inside. You could use one of the Deliberant AP2i radios with a small rubber ducky antenna. You can reflash one with the CPE2 code to be a CPE. (Let me know if you need help there.) 2) pad the radio card with a known level of attenuation. I don't know how much room is inside the bullet? Consider a radio in a pocket where you can coil up a length of coax with connectors as an attenuator. Necessity is the mother of invention. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
Yeah, I'd marry you but you're a dude. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] power I've had the same experiences. Like I said before, our WISP's are simular :) -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You'll know if you have a monster when you install neighboring AP's. Just adjust the power when you need to. I have some AP's that have clients connected that are actually closer to a different AP but the signal is better from one further out. I tend to deploy with a smaller foot print per AP due to trees. We have a different terrain as you do, lots of open flat area but small stand of trees here and there. I can do AP's low to the ground, say, 55 feet to 80 feet but due to small wood lots I put in Ap's about 3 or 4 miles apart, gives me complete coverage even if I have to catch the signal from an AP 5 or 6 miles down the line. But, as you are doing, a couple of pac grids, bullet and AP the cost is minimal. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
You guys should know that the 802.11 radios I have worked with can have built in attenuators, sometimes more than one, that can get switched on and off based on RX power level sensed in hardware. How many and at what levels the attenuators kick in varies from card to card and vendor to vendor. ODMs have the ability to change this part of the design. If implemented properly, which may not always be the case, the built in attenuators should prevent most RX overload. To make it even more complicated there can also be LNAs that can switched on or off. I mention all this because if your mental model of how the card works assumes that everything is linear, it could be wrong. Best, leb At 2:45 AM -0500 2/2/10, Jerry Richardson wrote: I would say yes with one caveat, If you need -71 to get full modulation and need to guarantee that it holds like in a PTP link then you would want additional fade margin. Assuming an additional 10db would mean you would want -61 minimum. A PTMP network may or may not need that kind margin and could use less power. Ideally one only uses enough power to acheive the required levels to make the link plus some margin. Anything over that is just polluting your own rf space. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:09 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Floor is -98. So, using 20dB fade margin would mean -70's is good? On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is going to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor cause -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] power
THAT is exactly what I want to achieve. Thanks for the input! -RickG On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: I would say yes with one caveat, If you need -71 to get full modulation and need to guarantee that it holds like in a PTP link then you would want additional fade margin. Assuming an additional 10db would mean you would want -61 minimum. A PTMP network may or may not need that kind margin and could use less power. Ideally one only uses enough power to acheive the required levels to make the link plus some margin. Anything over that is just polluting your own rf space. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:09 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Floor is -98. So, using 20dB fade margin would mean -70's is good? On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is going to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor cause -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] power
LOL Bob, They didnt remove the Dont ask, dont tell rule yet! I appreciate the complement! On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah, I'd marry you but you're a dude. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] power I've had the same experiences. Like I said before, our WISP's are simular :) -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You'll know if you have a monster when you install neighboring AP's. Just adjust the power when you need to. I have some AP's that have clients connected that are actually closer to a different AP but the signal is better from one further out. I tend to deploy with a smaller foot print per AP due to trees. We have a different terrain as you do, lots of open flat area but small stand of trees here and there. I can do AP's low to the ground, say, 55 feet to 80 feet but due to small wood lots I put in Ap's about 3 or 4 miles apart, gives me complete coverage even if I have to catch the signal from an AP 5 or 6 miles down the line. But, as you are doing, a couple of pac grids, bullet and AP the cost is minimal. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] power
And I was just getting a handle on software switchable polarity:) Thanks! On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst m...@iridescent.org wrote: You guys should know that the 802.11 radios I have worked with can have built in attenuators, sometimes more than one, that can get switched on and off based on RX power level sensed in hardware. How many and at what levels the attenuators kick in varies from card to card and vendor to vendor. ODMs have the ability to change this part of the design. If implemented properly, which may not always be the case, the built in attenuators should prevent most RX overload. To make it even more complicated there can also be LNAs that can switched on or off. I mention all this because if your mental model of how the card works assumes that everything is linear, it could be wrong. Best, leb At 2:45 AM -0500 2/2/10, Jerry Richardson wrote: I would say yes with one caveat, If you need -71 to get full modulation and need to guarantee that it holds like in a PTP link then you would want additional fade margin. Assuming an additional 10db would mean you would want -61 minimum. A PTMP network may or may not need that kind margin and could use less power. Ideally one only uses enough power to acheive the required levels to make the link plus some margin. Anything over that is just polluting your own rf space. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:09 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Floor is -98. So, using 20dB fade margin would mean -70's is good? On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is going to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor cause -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] power
That's a VERY high indicator of multipath. This is only a guess, but I'd say that you probably run many of these links at -50 or more signal levels. -60 for sure. If you DROP your signals to -70 to -75 you'll often find them working even better. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
-55 is WAY too high most of the time. If you have perfect LOS (this means fresnel zone and all) it's ok. But with the receive sensitivity of the new gear you'll pick up too many reflections to have a good performing link. The worst part about this is that it shows up more and more when you start putting more and more customers on the link. One only taking care of one or 5 customers will hide a lot of problems. marlon - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other interference. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
WiFi is supposed to need a 13 or 15 db carrier to interference rate. Yet I've seen them push good traffic at 5db c/i. Go figure. marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] power I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is going to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor cause -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
Point them UP. Gotta be creative here folks :-) marlon - Original Message - From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] power That's not a good idea. You will create multipath interference, which will have an overall negative impact. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: You may have to rotate your cpe to get a lower signal from the tower. I have one that is pointed at a 45 degree angle away from the tower. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:06 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: It's a PtMP environment. I have some customers much further away running high -70's. If I drop the AP side, dont I risk loosing them or affecting their throughput? What about using an attenuator and padding it down some? Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other interference. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] power
Nothing in my life is linear. I'm more like String Theory. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence E. Bakst Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] power You guys should know that the 802.11 radios I have worked with can have built in attenuators, sometimes more than one, that can get switched on and off based on RX power level sensed in hardware. How many and at what levels the attenuators kick in varies from card to card and vendor to vendor. ODMs have the ability to change this part of the design. If implemented properly, which may not always be the case, the built in attenuators should prevent most RX overload. To make it even more complicated there can also be LNAs that can switched on or off. I mention all this because if your mental model of how the card works assumes that everything is linear, it could be wrong. Best, leb At 2:45 AM -0500 2/2/10, Jerry Richardson wrote: I would say yes with one caveat, If you need -71 to get full modulation and need to guarantee that it holds like in a PTP link then you would want additional fade margin. Assuming an additional 10db would mean you would want -61 minimum. A PTMP network may or may not need that kind margin and could use less power. Ideally one only uses enough power to acheive the required levels to make the link plus some margin. Anything over that is just polluting your own rf space. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:09 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Floor is -98. So, using 20dB fade margin would mean -70's is good? On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is going to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor cause -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
[WISPA] power
OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
I'd turn it down till you hit about a -60 signal wise or in the 50's somewhere. should give you the best results. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
Yes. Get the eyes off the throughput and pay attention to your signal level first. Right on the money, there, Nick. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] power I'd turn it down till you hit about a -60 signal wise or in the 50's somewhere. should give you the best results. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other interference. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
I would say it would depend on how hot the signal was, you don't want it yelling so loud it can't hear itself or anything else think. -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:08:19 -0500 OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is going to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor cause -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
Lot of the threads on the forums suggest the same thing. It seems the M equipment is more sensitive to such large amounts of energy. On 2/1/10, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: I would say it would depend on how hot the signal was, you don't want it yelling so loud it can't hear itself or anything else think. -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:08:19 -0500 OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
It's a PtMP environment. I have some customers much further away running high -70's. If I drop the AP side, dont I risk loosing them or affecting their throughput? What about using an attenuator and padding it down some? Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other interference. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
Floor is -98. So, using 20dB fade margin would mean -70's is good? On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is going to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor cause -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
You may have to rotate your cpe to get a lower signal from the tower. I have one that is pointed at a 45 degree angle away from the tower. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:06 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: It's a PtMP environment. I have some customers much further away running high -70's. If I drop the AP side, dont I risk loosing them or affecting their throughput? What about using an attenuator and padding it down some? Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other interference. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
RF is such a funny animal! On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: You may have to rotate your cpe to get a lower signal from the tower. I have one that is pointed at a 45 degree angle away from the tower. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:06 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: It's a PtMP environment. I have some customers much further away running high -70's. If I drop the AP side, dont I risk loosing them or affecting their throughput? What about using an attenuator and padding it down some? Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other interference. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] power
That's not a good idea. You will create multipath interference, which will have an overall negative impact. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: You may have to rotate your cpe to get a lower signal from the tower. I have one that is pointed at a 45 degree angle away from the tower. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:06 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: It's a PtMP environment. I have some customers much further away running high -70's. If I drop the AP side, dont I risk loosing them or affecting their throughput? What about using an attenuator and padding it down some? Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other interference. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] power
Having a radio screaming at an ap also tends to affect other cpe's by desensitizing your ap. Just what I have experienced in my deployment. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's not a good idea. You will create multipath interference, which will have an overall negative impact. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: You may have to rotate your cpe to get a lower signal from the tower. I have one that is pointed at a 45 degree angle away from the tower. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:06 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: It's a PtMP environment. I have some customers much further away running high -70's. If I drop the AP side, dont I risk loosing them or affecting their throughput? What about using an attenuator and padding it down some? Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other interference. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA
Re: [WISPA] power
Then turn the transmit power down on you CPEs, don't create multipath On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Having a radio screaming at an ap also tends to affect other cpe's by desensitizing your ap. Just what I have experienced in my deployment. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's not a good idea. You will create multipath interference, which will have an overall negative impact. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: You may have to rotate your cpe to get a lower signal from the tower. I have one that is pointed at a 45 degree angle away from the tower. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:06 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: It's a PtMP environment. I have some customers much further away running high -70's. If I drop the AP side, dont I risk loosing them or affecting their throughput? What about using an attenuator and padding it down some? Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other interference. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today
Re: [WISPA] power
You'll know if you have a monster when you install neighboring AP's. Just adjust the power when you need to. I have some AP's that have clients connected that are actually closer to a different AP but the signal is better from one further out. I tend to deploy with a smaller foot print per AP due to trees. We have a different terrain as you do, lots of open flat area but small stand of trees here and there. I can do AP's low to the ground, say, 55 feet to 80 feet but due to small wood lots I put in Ap's about 3 or 4 miles apart, gives me complete coverage even if I have to catch the signal from an AP 5 or 6 miles down the line. But, as you are doing, a couple of pac grids, bullet and AP the cost is minimal. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
They should make a cuddly stuffed Nano that I could sleep with at night.. Yeah, I know but it's late. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] power RF is such a funny animal! On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: You may have to rotate your cpe to get a lower signal from the tower. I have one that is pointed at a 45 degree angle away from the tower. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:06 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: It's a PtMP environment. I have some customers much further away running high -70's. If I drop the AP side, dont I risk loosing them or affecting their throughput? What about using an attenuator and padding it down some? Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other interference. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] power
I've had the same experiences. Like I said before, our WISP's are simular :) -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You'll know if you have a monster when you install neighboring AP's. Just adjust the power when you need to. I have some AP's that have clients connected that are actually closer to a different AP but the signal is better from one further out. I tend to deploy with a smaller foot print per AP due to trees. We have a different terrain as you do, lots of open flat area but small stand of trees here and there. I can do AP's low to the ground, say, 55 feet to 80 feet but due to small wood lots I put in Ap's about 3 or 4 miles apart, gives me complete coverage even if I have to catch the signal from an AP 5 or 6 miles down the line. But, as you are doing, a couple of pac grids, bullet and AP the cost is minimal. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
I would say yes with one caveat, If you need -71 to get full modulation and need to guarantee that it holds like in a PTP link then you would want additional fade margin. Assuming an additional 10db would mean you would want -61 minimum. A PTMP network may or may not need that kind margin and could use less power. Ideally one only uses enough power to acheive the required levels to make the link plus some margin. Anything over that is just polluting your own rf space. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:09 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Floor is -98. So, using 20dB fade margin would mean -70's is good? On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is going to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor cause -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power management tools for cell sites
If you're looking to monitor only, check these out: http://www.theenergydetective.com/index.html They talk to Google. Yes, Google is now tracking your power consumption as well. Who knew. http://www.google.org/powermeter/ On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I just installed one of those dot net WattsUp ethernet meters on a vending machine a few weeks ago. Pretty neat! On 12/27/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I use them all over the place these days. Saves a LOT of driving. Also, the bigger unit does give you the current voltage at the site. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: scubac...@gmail.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] power management tools for cell sites Check out DigitalLoggers: http://www.digital-loggers.com/din.html They have some cool devices. I use them at tower sites and can reboot individual devices. The DIN relays might work for you. I use the web switches a couple places. Mike At 08:24 PM 12/24/2009, you wrote: I'm hoping someone on this list might recommend me some power management options for cell sites. Ideally, I would like something that does the following: --auto-reboots a device when an IP address does not ping --is ruggedized for outdoor environments (or is easy to stuff in a NEMA 4X box) --let's me http or ssh in and reboot certain ports --is affordable enough where I could just budget it in with all of the cameras and wireless devices Tools like iBoot are a step in the right direction, but it doesn't seem to have very many features, and I will likely want some SNMP features so I could, say, graph the power levels in Cacti . (The idea here is to be able to proactively troubleshoot stuff to avoid a truck roll, and if I do have to do a truck roll, I know that the most obvious power-related stuff has been done first) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power management tools for cell sites
If you want to track power levels at a remote site check out a watt-up meter. They are ethernet capable nowadays. Pretty cool stuff. marlon - Original Message - From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:24 PM Subject: [WISPA] power management tools for cell sites I'm hoping someone on this list might recommend me some power management options for cell sites. Ideally, I would like something that does the following: --auto-reboots a device when an IP address does not ping --is ruggedized for outdoor environments (or is easy to stuff in a NEMA 4X box) --let's me http or ssh in and reboot certain ports --is affordable enough where I could just budget it in with all of the cameras and wireless devices Tools like iBoot are a step in the right direction, but it doesn't seem to have very many features, and I will likely want some SNMP features so I could, say, graph the power levels in Cacti . (The idea here is to be able to proactively troubleshoot stuff to avoid a truck roll, and if I do have to do a truck roll, I know that the most obvious power-related stuff has been done first) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power management tools for cell sites
I use them all over the place these days. Saves a LOT of driving. Also, the bigger unit does give you the current voltage at the site. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: scubac...@gmail.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] power management tools for cell sites Check out DigitalLoggers: http://www.digital-loggers.com/din.html They have some cool devices. I use them at tower sites and can reboot individual devices. The DIN relays might work for you. I use the web switches a couple places. Mike At 08:24 PM 12/24/2009, you wrote: I'm hoping someone on this list might recommend me some power management options for cell sites. Ideally, I would like something that does the following: --auto-reboots a device when an IP address does not ping --is ruggedized for outdoor environments (or is easy to stuff in a NEMA 4X box) --let's me http or ssh in and reboot certain ports --is affordable enough where I could just budget it in with all of the cameras and wireless devices Tools like iBoot are a step in the right direction, but it doesn't seem to have very many features, and I will likely want some SNMP features so I could, say, graph the power levels in Cacti . (The idea here is to be able to proactively troubleshoot stuff to avoid a truck roll, and if I do have to do a truck roll, I know that the most obvious power-related stuff has been done first) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power management tools for cell sites
I just installed one of those dot net WattsUp ethernet meters on a vending machine a few weeks ago. Pretty neat! On 12/27/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I use them all over the place these days. Saves a LOT of driving. Also, the bigger unit does give you the current voltage at the site. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: scubac...@gmail.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] power management tools for cell sites Check out DigitalLoggers: http://www.digital-loggers.com/din.html They have some cool devices. I use them at tower sites and can reboot individual devices. The DIN relays might work for you. I use the web switches a couple places. Mike At 08:24 PM 12/24/2009, you wrote: I'm hoping someone on this list might recommend me some power management options for cell sites. Ideally, I would like something that does the following: --auto-reboots a device when an IP address does not ping --is ruggedized for outdoor environments (or is easy to stuff in a NEMA 4X box) --let's me http or ssh in and reboot certain ports --is affordable enough where I could just budget it in with all of the cameras and wireless devices Tools like iBoot are a step in the right direction, but it doesn't seem to have very many features, and I will likely want some SNMP features so I could, say, graph the power levels in Cacti . (The idea here is to be able to proactively troubleshoot stuff to avoid a truck roll, and if I do have to do a truck roll, I know that the most obvious power-related stuff has been done first) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] power management tools for cell sites
I'm hoping someone on this list might recommend me some power management options for cell sites. Ideally, I would like something that does the following: --auto-reboots a device when an IP address does not ping --is ruggedized for outdoor environments (or is easy to stuff in a NEMA 4X box) --let's me http or ssh in and reboot certain ports --is affordable enough where I could just budget it in with all of the cameras and wireless devices Tools like iBoot are a step in the right direction, but it doesn't seem to have very many features, and I will likely want some SNMP features so I could, say, graph the power levels in Cacti . (The idea here is to be able to proactively troubleshoot stuff to avoid a truck roll, and if I do have to do a truck roll, I know that the most obvious power-related stuff has been done first) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power management tools for cell sites
Check out DigitalLoggers: http://www.digital-loggers.com/din.html They have some cool devices. I use them at tower sites and can reboot individual devices. The DIN relays might work for you. I use the web switches a couple places. Mike At 08:24 PM 12/24/2009, you wrote: I'm hoping someone on this list might recommend me some power management options for cell sites. Ideally, I would like something that does the following: --auto-reboots a device when an IP address does not ping --is ruggedized for outdoor environments (or is easy to stuff in a NEMA 4X box) --let's me http or ssh in and reboot certain ports --is affordable enough where I could just budget it in with all of the cameras and wireless devices Tools like iBoot are a step in the right direction, but it doesn't seem to have very many features, and I will likely want some SNMP features so I could, say, graph the power levels in Cacti . (The idea here is to be able to proactively troubleshoot stuff to avoid a truck roll, and if I do have to do a truck roll, I know that the most obvious power-related stuff has been done first) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power management tools for cell sites
I use a SuperRMS board. Simple and allows me to graph just about everything. ryan On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm hoping someone on this list might recommend me some power management options for cell sites. Ideally, I would like something that does the following: --auto-reboots a device when an IP address does not ping --is ruggedized for outdoor environments (or is easy to stuff in a NEMA 4X box) --let's me http or ssh in and reboot certain ports --is affordable enough where I could just budget it in with all of the cameras and wireless devices Tools like iBoot are a step in the right direction, but it doesn't seem to have very many features, and I will likely want some SNMP features so I could, say, graph the power levels in Cacti . (The idea here is to be able to proactively troubleshoot stuff to avoid a truck roll, and if I do have to do a truck roll, I know that the most obvious power-related stuff has been done first) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
www.controlbyweb.com Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Even with 500 dollar general PC hardware from Newegg I have 2 PCs at home and a two servers at the office that have run daily for 3 years. Surely with official server hardware they can match and well exceed that. In either case, NH100 is a paging solutions (small, black BNC connector right?) but have we seen an ethernet solution with a single AC outlet? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Nighthawk sounds right as the name that was at WISPCON. Well, no, it shouldn't be, but if it locks up for some reason, immediate power cycling is generally required. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter A server really shouldn't need rebooted, but that's me my standing. Do you currently have a product for paging reboots? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server I'm coloing for someone else and would like the ability to charge power usage as well as provide the customer a web based method of rebooting their server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
I have one of the new whats up ethernet units. It'll monitor a LOT of stuff AND will cause a reboot. Very small unit, not a rack mount unit. My new rack mount digital logger will give a voltage reading. Pretty nice unit. Like you said though, both are around $700. sorry marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does anyone know of a single outlet or otherwise small Ethernet based remote reboot and power metering device? I don't want to spend $700 on a regular rack mounted one because I would never make my money back. Ideas? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
I almost used some of those. But the pagers are pretty well gone around here now. And with the auto reboot it's not really needed for my work. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
Mike Hammett wrote: Then the whole collocation industry is up poop creek. Maybe that's why only 1 or 2 companies have servers in MT. :-p You might be surprised I know of at least two multistory buildings full in Billings Hotwire has a major installation in billings. KOA is in my Colo room in Helena, along with quite a few other smaller businesses. I would suspect we definitely have our fair share population-wise. The situation is this: If I'm a landlord, and I provide the power, I am a regulated electric provider, unless certain conditions are met. The two main exceptions are either that I pass the main power bill directly to the clients on a pro-rata basis, with no meaningful markup (which wouldn't work, since I also need to recover cooling costs, which is related to power anyways), OR that I include it in the rent, as rent, and it doesn't vary based on usage. We do the latter... That is, if you buy 1U from space, you get room for a 1U server, bandwidth, plus power and cooling for a typical 1U server. Any monitoring I do is specifically for my own use. I have a APC metering pdu in each rack so I can tell at least aggregate how much is used, and know that I'm not undercharging. But if I'm charging too little, I have to increase the rent. -forrest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
Does anyone know of a single outlet or otherwise small Ethernet based remote reboot and power metering device? I don't want to spend $700 on a regular rack mounted one because I would never make my money back. Ideas? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
This what you are looking for? http://dataprobe.com/iboot-remote-reboot.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does anyone know of a single outlet or otherwise small Ethernet based remote reboot and power metering device? I don't want to spend $700 on a regular rack mounted one because I would never make my money back. Ideas? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
Mike Hammett wrote: Does anyone know of a single outlet or otherwise small Ethernet based remote reboot and power metering device? I don't want to spend $700 on a regular rack mounted one because I would never make my money back. Are you looking to switch an AC outlet, or are you talking about a solar site? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html It's more ports but starts at $109... Ours have worked perfect for us over the years. - Original Message - From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter This what you are looking for? http://dataprobe.com/iboot-remote-reboot.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does anyone know of a single outlet or otherwise small Ethernet based remote reboot and power metering device? I don't want to spend $700 on a regular rack mounted one because I would never make my money back. Ideas? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
AC - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Mike Hammett wrote: Does anyone know of a single outlet or otherwise small Ethernet based remote reboot and power metering device? I don't want to spend $700 on a regular rack mounted one because I would never make my money back. Are you looking to switch an AC outlet, or are you talking about a solar site? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server I'm coloing for someone else and would like the ability to charge power usage as well as provide the customer a web based method of rebooting their server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
A server really shouldn't need rebooted, but that's me my standing. Do you currently have a product for paging reboots? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server I'm coloing for someone else and would like the ability to charge power usage as well as provide the customer a web based method of rebooting their server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
You may want to check with the local PuC rules. Up here, it's illegal to do any usage-based power charging, unless you use an approved meter... Mike Hammett wrote: I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server I'm coloing for someone else and would like the ability to charge power usage as well as provide the customer a web based method of rebooting their server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
Then the whole collocation industry is up poop creek. Maybe that's why only 1 or 2 companies have servers in MT. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:13 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter You may want to check with the local PuC rules. Up here, it's illegal to do any usage-based power charging, unless you use an approved meter... Mike Hammett wrote: I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server I'm coloing for someone else and would like the ability to charge power usage as well as provide the customer a web based method of rebooting their server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
Nighthawk sounds right as the name that was at WISPCON. Well, no, it shouldn't be, but if it locks up for some reason, immediate power cycling is generally required. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter A server really shouldn't need rebooted, but that's me my standing. Do you currently have a product for paging reboots? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server I'm coloing for someone else and would like the ability to charge power usage as well as provide the customer a web based method of rebooting their server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
Even with 500 dollar general PC hardware from Newegg I have 2 PCs at home and a two servers at the office that have run daily for 3 years. Surely with official server hardware they can match and well exceed that. In either case, NH100 is a paging solutions (small, black BNC connector right?) but have we seen an ethernet solution with a single AC outlet? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Nighthawk sounds right as the name that was at WISPCON. Well, no, it shouldn't be, but if it locks up for some reason, immediate power cycling is generally required. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter A server really shouldn't need rebooted, but that's me my standing. Do you currently have a product for paging reboots? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server I'm coloing for someone else and would like the ability to charge power usage as well as provide the customer a web based method of rebooting their server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
www.controlbyweb.com Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Even with 500 dollar general PC hardware from Newegg I have 2 PCs at home and a two servers at the office that have run daily for 3 years. Surely with official server hardware they can match and well exceed that. In either case, NH100 is a paging solutions (small, black BNC connector right?) but have we seen an ethernet solution with a single AC outlet? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Nighthawk sounds right as the name that was at WISPCON. Well, no, it shouldn't be, but if it locks up for some reason, immediate power cycling is generally required. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter A server really shouldn't need rebooted, but that's me my standing. Do you currently have a product for paging reboots? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server I'm coloing for someone else and would like the ability to charge power usage as well as provide the customer a web based method of rebooting their server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer
Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter
You can add a pinging circuit to the small digital logger for $35.00 then it will auto reboot, well worth it, we use them on all our towers and some repeaters Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter www.controlbyweb.com Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Even with 500 dollar general PC hardware from Newegg I have 2 PCs at home and a two servers at the office that have run daily for 3 years. Surely with official server hardware they can match and well exceed that. In either case, NH100 is a paging solutions (small, black BNC connector right?) but have we seen an ethernet solution with a single AC outlet? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Nighthawk sounds right as the name that was at WISPCON. Well, no, it shouldn't be, but if it locks up for some reason, immediate power cycling is generally required. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter A server really shouldn't need rebooted, but that's me my standing. Do you currently have a product for paging reboots? On 1/3/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'd like a pager based one for my towers and I first saw them back at WISPCON-Vegas. However, this is for a server I'm coloing for someone else and would like the ability to charge power usage as well as provide the customer a web based method of rebooting their server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter Does it have to be ethernet based? We use the NH100 from Nighthawk - works as a pager. Very smart reboot commands, though some may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: AC http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
[WISPA] Power Supplies
Some time in the last month, someone on one of the lists I follow posted a link to wall-wart type 15v or 18v DC power supplies in the $4 or $5 dollar range. I have lost the link. Can somebody point me in the right direction, or possibly have recommendations for a source for such power supplies (suitable for powering common cpe type radios through commmonly used passive PoE injectors of course).. -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Supplies
Here's the link, I had it bookmarked cause it was such a steal http://www.primelec.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/2452565/vpcsid/0/SFV/31 734 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:41 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power Supplies Some time in the last month, someone on one of the lists I follow posted a link to wall-wart type 15v or 18v DC power supplies in the $4 or $5 dollar range. I have lost the link. Can somebody point me in the right direction, or possibly have recommendations for a source for such power supplies (suitable for powering common cpe type radios through commmonly used passive PoE injectors of course).. -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Supplies
Be sure to note that these are linear power supplies and not switching. -Hal -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Supplies Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:23:07 -0400 Here's the link, I had it bookmarked cause it was such a steal http://www.primelec.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/2452565/vpcsid/0/SFV/31 734 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:41 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power Supplies Some time in the last month, someone on one of the lists I follow posted a link to wall-wart type 15v or 18v DC power supplies in the $4 or $5 dollar range. I have lost the link. Can somebody point me in the right direction, or possibly have recommendations for a source for such power supplies (suitable for powering common cpe type radios through commmonly used passive PoE injectors of course).. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Supplies
Would you be kind enough to share why I would want one or the other? Brian Harold Bledsoe wrote: Be sure to note that these are linear power supplies and not switching. -Hal -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Supplies Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:23:07 -0400 Here's the link, I had it bookmarked cause it was such a steal http://www.primelec.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/2452565/vpcsid/0/SFV/31 734 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:41 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power Supplies Some time in the last month, someone on one of the lists I follow posted a link to wall-wart type 15v or 18v DC power supplies in the $4 or $5 dollar range. I have lost the link. Can somebody point me in the right direction, or possibly have recommendations for a source for such power supplies (suitable for powering common cpe type radios through commmonly used passive PoE injectors of course).. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Outages: wasISP's Required to Block Sites
Gentlemen: The IEEE 1159 Power Quality Standard for Commercial Industrial applications a good standard to help avoid downtime due to power outages, sags, surges, and related. Search Google for :IEEE1159.1. IEEE1159.2, IEEE1159.3 and IEC 61000-4-30 for standard which provide the methodology for assessing power-quality factors and indices. This link will provides general education: http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/spd/ This link will help you calculate ROI should you decide to spend valuable capital on mitigation equipment: http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/1346/points.html I had the opportunity to work with PQ guys in the 1990s and their/our work helped establish a new standard at SEMI. http://powerstandards.com/cbema.htm The Point: Typically a sag of 60% of nominal voltage will be seen and felt as a power outage by most electrical components. Therefore a zero voltage condition is not needed to experience a power outage. All that is needed to create a zero voltage or power outage experience is a 60% of nominal voltage which is enough to shutdown your equipment. http://ecmweb.com/mag/electric_postmortems_vs_predictions/ Most of the WISPs I work with have either some kind of back up. In the United States most I see is APC or Exide UPS systems. But it is one thing to have UPS and another to have UPS+Power Conditioning. . Summer is coming around in the US. Highly constrained distribution systems may experience some downtime. I've always been interested in downtime statistics for big WiSP, medium WiSPs, and smaller WiSPs. I'm sure this is some hat compete information and the downtime not only due to electrical issues. There is also network downtime, software downtime. etc. One commerical carrier funded an interesting report that compared uptime of commercial wireless networks versus uptime of a traditional IP network (LAN not wireless). Thanks for your time, F.Lopez --- Edward H. Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks real to me ... http://www.nac.net/announcements.asp?Action=ViewID=83 ** Update ** 6/22/2007 - 12:45am Our Cedar Knolls Facility (MMU) is no longer running on generator power. Utility service has been restored. All systems are functioning normally and no disruption in power occurred at MMU. The Parsippany data center (OCT) is still running on generator power while we resolve a problem at that site. - 6/21/2007 - 10:30pm We have experienced a power problem caused by lightning in our Parsippany, NJ (OCT) Data Center. This location is currently running on generator power. If you are having any problems with your server please call our Network Operation Center Directly at 973-590-5050. In addition our Cedar Knolls Site (MMU) is also on Generator Power but has not experienced any problems. Ed On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:50:14 -0400 Michael Erskine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DSLR's Excuse for being off line Thu Jun 21 21:58:42 EDT 2007 == DSLR is offline at the moment, total power failure at the data center we use (www.nac.net) an hour ago means we have to bring servers up individually, and check for errors. update: Thu Jun 21 23:09:54 EDT 2007 Looks like this is going to take hours to sort out and we're off to do an all nighter at the data center :( Link to nac... Which was working at time for post? http://www.nac.net/ Which part of power outage is an excuse? The part that was spelled subpoena? Ayup, twice in as many years.. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path
Would it be worth trying a Yagi antenna with a narrow beamwidth? Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager - Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path So just use OFDM EVERYWHERE!! :-) On 4/13/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh. I tried one or two of the sl units. Just ordered some more. I like them so far. Think of multipath like a bad echo. If you've even stood in a completely empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that it can be hard to carry on a conversation with someone. The sound waves just keep bouncing around and around and around. OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path Thanks to all for the feedback! I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now looking over the power lines. When I first fired it up, it wouldn't associated, so I started trying some of the other suggestions. I lowered the maximum transmit power substantially and it actually started to work. Once it associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm. I also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps. The customer hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 9:00 last night. Marlon, The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo. It's part of the CPQ family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.) Up until this install, they have gone in easy, and run great! Can you explain the multipath phenomenon? Thanks, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path Yeah, that sounds like multipath. I've seen that a few times. Your signal level is actually much too high. Try two things to test my theory. Turn the antenna backward. That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off and get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range. Much more reasonable. Try cross polarizing this cpe. If the tower is vertical, put the cpe hpol. Also, what's the radio? (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I know of) How about the AP? I've got some very strange things happening with SB ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios. They will just stop talking to each other. In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until the *ap* is rebooted! It's the dangdest thing. It's almost like the cpe is being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe. No cpe mac filter being used though. I've had this happen on different networks with different towns, different upstreams, different antennas, different cpe etc. The old CPE200 units didn't do this. Just the new cpq and inscape data cpe radios. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one. I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal strength. I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the radio's off.. All sounds great! A real simple install, but the radio intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a POR. I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of firmware. I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their recommendations for timing settings. The only difference between this client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in the LOS path. Has anyone else found this to be a problem? It's almost like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site. Thanks, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path
Has anyone tried the OFDM Tranzeo 900Mhz? What have your results been? Mario Jim Stout wrote: Would it be worth trying a Yagi antenna with a narrow beamwidth? Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager - Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path So just use OFDM EVERYWHERE!! :-) On 4/13/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh. I tried one or two of the sl units. Just ordered some more. I like them so far. Think of multipath like a bad echo. If you've even stood in a completely empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that it can be hard to carry on a conversation with someone. The sound waves just keep bouncing around and around and around. OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path Thanks to all for the feedback! I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now looking over the power lines. When I first fired it up, it wouldn't associated, so I started trying some of the other suggestions. I lowered the maximum transmit power substantially and it actually started to work. Once it associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm. I also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps. The customer hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 9:00 last night. Marlon, The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo. It's part of the CPQ family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.) Up until this install, they have gone in easy, and run great! Can you explain the multipath phenomenon? Thanks, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path Yeah, that sounds like multipath. I've seen that a few times. Your signal level is actually much too high. Try two things to test my theory. Turn the antenna backward. That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off and get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range. Much more reasonable. Try cross polarizing this cpe. If the tower is vertical, put the cpe hpol. Also, what's the radio? (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I know of) How about the AP? I've got some very strange things happening with SB ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios. They will just stop talking to each other. In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until the *ap* is rebooted! It's the dangdest thing. It's almost like the cpe is being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe. No cpe mac filter being used though. I've had this happen on different networks with different towns, different upstreams, different antennas, different cpe etc. The old CPE200 units didn't do this. Just the new cpq and inscape data cpe radios. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one. I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal strength. I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the radio's off.. All sounds great! A real simple install, but the radio intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a POR. I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of firmware. I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their recommendations for timing settings. The only difference between this client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in the LOS path. Has anyone else found this to be a problem? It's almost like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site. Thanks, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path
I've not had any luck with different antennas. I just move the system around will I find a spot that works well. marlon - Original Message - From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path Would it be worth trying a Yagi antenna with a narrow beamwidth? Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager - Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path So just use OFDM EVERYWHERE!! :-) On 4/13/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh. I tried one or two of the sl units. Just ordered some more. I like them so far. Think of multipath like a bad echo. If you've even stood in a completely empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that it can be hard to carry on a conversation with someone. The sound waves just keep bouncing around and around and around. OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path Thanks to all for the feedback! I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now looking over the power lines. When I first fired it up, it wouldn't associated, so I started trying some of the other suggestions. I lowered the maximum transmit power substantially and it actually started to work. Once it associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm. I also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps. The customer hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 9:00 last night. Marlon, The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo. It's part of the CPQ family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.) Up until this install, they have gone in easy, and run great! Can you explain the multipath phenomenon? Thanks, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path Yeah, that sounds like multipath. I've seen that a few times. Your signal level is actually much too high. Try two things to test my theory. Turn the antenna backward. That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off and get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range. Much more reasonable. Try cross polarizing this cpe. If the tower is vertical, put the cpe hpol. Also, what's the radio? (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I know of) How about the AP? I've got some very strange things happening with SB ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios. They will just stop talking to each other. In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until the *ap* is rebooted! It's the dangdest thing. It's almost like the cpe is being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe. No cpe mac filter being used though. I've had this happen on different networks with different towns, different upstreams, different antennas, different cpe etc. The old CPE200 units didn't do this. Just the new cpq and inscape data cpe radios. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one. I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal strength. I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the radio's off.. All sounds great! A real simple install, but the radio intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a POR. I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of firmware. I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their recommendations for timing settings. The only difference between this client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in the LOS path. Has anyone else found this to be a problem? It's almost like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site. Thanks, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
