Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Glenn Kelley
Having pastored in the nations poorest city I would far from disagree with you. Folks that should have never been able to have a home were given the ability to obtain loans - That is an understatement. The government has done all it can to push the idea that if you rent - your a failure They

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Mike
Jack, I actually had a biology professor who really believed in live and let die. He didn't believe in sending foreign aid to those countries not able to grow enough food to sustain themselves. He also subscribed heavily to the Monroe Doctrine. Mike _ From:

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Jeff Broadwick
1. Define overpopulation? I saw some numbers once that the entire world's population could have a nice size house on a decent piece of property in Texas...can't imagine the infrastructure requirements, but whatever. 2. Political corruption is a reality in any system. It's the best argument

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Robert West
I love it that they had the FCC step in to stop the consumer protest and declare... to purposely try to disrupt or negatively impact a network with ill-intent is irresponsible and presents a significant public safety concern. Such BS. Isn't any large protest a potential safety concern? I'm

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yeah I got a kick out of that article and to see the discussion re FCC and net-neutrality and FCC probes in anticompetive behavior and application prohibitations for the Iphone et all. Then to find out that this rebellion was planned but FCC worked to stopped it. Stay safe. Don't get out of bed.

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread RickG
Jack, The only companies that can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it are the ones given a monopoly and power by guess who - big government! So, where is the problem? Is it the companies or the government? On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread RickG
1. And God said Go and multiply. 2. Did I miss something? Nobody has said that where I can see. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Just keep saying to yourself. 1. Overpopulation is good. 2 Political corruption does not exist. Good luck and best wishes.

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Chuck Bartosch
On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: make campaigns post their contributions on the internet. That's already available if the donation is over $99. Chuck WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Chuck Bartosch
On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:34 AM, RickG wrote: Jack, The only companies that can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it are the ones given a monopoly and power by guess who - big government! So, where is the problem? Is it the companies or the government? That statement

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Matt Liotta
On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: That statement completely ignores history. The tendency of any unconstrained capitalist is to form a monopoly. Hell, *I'd* do it if I could ;-). And unconstrained capitalism that achieves a monopoly rarely acts in its customers own best

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Yep, I agree with your statement (which was well put). Chuck On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: That statement completely ignores history. The tendency of any unconstrained capitalist is to form a monopoly. Hell, *I'd* do

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Jack Unger
Jeff Broadwick wrote: 1. Define overpopulation? I saw some numbers once that the entire world's population could have a nice size house on a decent piece of property in Texas...can't imagine the infrastructure requirements, but whatever. What was your number-cruncher smoking? 2.

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Jack Unger
Good points. When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose the butter. Robert West wrote: Life, Liberty, Property. Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. For the common defense. It's now morphed from the government For the

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Mike
Oh I agree wholeheartedly with the belief election reform is needed. A taxpayer funded system with a set, and sensible budget would keep the well funded from swaying the electorate and becoming beholding to special interests. Term limits for all congressional seats should be set at 6 years.

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Brad Belton
I would hope everyone would choose peace over war, but history has proven since the beginning of time that peace is achieved through war. Without a clearly defined Winner and Loser of war there will never be peace. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Jack Unger
Your statement is true when there is NOT enough food, clothing or shelter for everybody. But when there IS enough food, clothing and shelter for everybody, there is no need for war in order to achieve temporary "peace". This is why overpopulation is so bad - it creates war and makes real

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Jeff Broadwick
C'mon Jack, war is about trying to accumulate power, not get rid of excess people. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Jack Unger
C'mon Jeff. There is NO NEED to accumulate power if you don't have excess people. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: C'mon Jack, war is about trying to accumulate power, not get rid of excess people. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Human nature? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:21 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Jack Unger
My nature is to be peaceful, my friend. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: Human nature? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread RickG
Chuck, where did I say unrestrained? The rest of my post is questions. So, I agree with your reply in as much as that nobody should be unrestrained. As far as history, to what do you refer to? -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote: On Feb 5, 2010,

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Chuck Bartosch
The restraint is government. How do you restrain capitalism without the restraint of laws, including those that restrain monopolies? The implication of saying the only companies that have monopolies are the ones that government gives monopolies to is that without government monopolies, and

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Robert West
I thought was WAS population control I'm confused now. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread RickG
Chuck, In the past, I'd say 99% of our posts are in agreement so I suspect we have the same thoughts here as well. I probably failed in not being more clear due to lack of detail with my thoughts due to time constraints. The context of my reply was in response to Jack's fear of big companies.

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread RickG
Then I fail your test. I dont want a monopoly. In th epast, I've worked for both electric and phone companies and all it breeds is laziness and waste. In competitive markets, I find the challenge invigorating. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com wrote: On Feb

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread RickG
Hitler. Just to name one of many! On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: C'mon Jeff. There is NO NEED to accumulate power if you don't have excess people. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: C'mon Jack, war is about trying to accumulate power, not get rid of excess

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread MDK
There's never a NEED to accumulate power... ever.But, the greed and lust for more power is as old as politics itself. -- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread jason bailey
 As a very small,but growing operator I have been following this list for quite some time.I rarely poke my nose in as I enjoy the VERY intelligent conversation that this list generates.I sometimes have to read 80 or more messages when I get through putting in 110% and picking up my Three kids

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 22:26 -0500, RickG wrote: Hitler. Just to name one of many! Ok, folks...it's time to stop. We've reached the reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law -- * Butch Evans *

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Chuck Bartosch
I agree-I've worked for essential monopolies (like defense contractors). Or maybe it's just big companies. In any case, the waste boggled my mind. To be clear my natural tendency is to want to own a market. However, I also recognize that you can't ever really do that, and if you do, no matter

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Chuck Bartosch
No, you're not out of line. I've given up suggesting these topics get moved to WISPA Chat. I usually try to refrain from weighing in myself ;-). Chuck On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:06 PM, jason bailey wrote: As a very small,but growing operator I have been following this list for quite some time.I

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act—the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Glenn Kelley
What happens if the government states you cannot block any content and or do traffic shaping ... ? Understand - the talk was to the Free State Foundation - who is against virtually any blocking or traffic shaping This being said- even the plans you may offer may be out of the window on the

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
Glenn, I think it's important not be be overly alarmist. There is every reason to believe that Network Neutrality will allow and encourage "reasonable network management" practices. WISPA works responsibly with the FCC and with other governmental agencies to be sure that they understand

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Mike Hammett
No, but a whirlpool tub, yes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Frank Crawford
YES Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act—the section that regulates telecommunications

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh Frank Crawford wrote: YES Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Brad Belton
The fundamental difference that Jack fails to recognize is if a bank (or organization other than the government) does treat you unfairly you have recourse. If your own government treats you unfairly, you have little to no recourse. Yes, we can all only hope the majority of Americans will

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
Brad, There is really only one way to get a smaller government without throwing society into total disarray. That method is to have a smaller country, in other words, a lower level of population. With an exploding population there is just no way that I can see to get a smaller government. If

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Brad Belton
Jack, I completely disagree with the notion that America has to become smaller to have a smaller less invasive government! It is a socialist mentality to think that only government can grow America or help Americans. America achieved its success by people utilizing their abilities to better

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread MDK
Jack, it remains very difficult to be civil, when you post this kind of stuff. Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, except in time of war.We as a nation prospered immensely

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
Brad, You are misunderstanding or ignoring what I've been saying so let's try it again. When you have more people crowded into the same space your are going to have more frequent and more complex problems, including more fighting over the available amount of resources. Like it or not,

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
Sorry Mark, I truly appreciate and enjoy responding to all appropriate and responsible posts but your LONG HISTORY of troll behavior will FOREVER elicit the same response from me. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Wow Jack! 99% of the working people have lost or given up their power to govern their own lives. I believe that there are a small percent of people who knowingly or unknowingly have turned their lives over to someone else, but to say that it is 99% is just wrong. Jeff Regards, Jeff

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread RickG
Jack, make that two trolls :) With all due respect, isnt that exactly how liberals respond to conservative claims - by demonizing them? Marks comments were spot on and I couldnt have said them any better, so I'm resending them with my name on the end. I respect your right to your viewpoint but I

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Brad Belton
Jack, Your police analogy is flawed. While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of a larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger population requires no more or

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Robert West
They'll keep up by slowing us down with regulation. They're good at such activity. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Common

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Robert West
And me and my pack of highly trained Wispa Ninja warriors will be waiting for them to thwart their plans of conquest! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
Good point Jeff ! :) Jeff Broadwick wrote: Wow Jack! 99% of the working people have lost or given up their power to govern their own lives. I believe that there are a small percent of people who knowingly or unknowingly have turned their lives over to someone else, but to say that it

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Robert West
Ah, but what about the newly found free speech rights of corporations? You aren't allowed to limit their speech (DOLLARS) now according to most of the fine folks over at the supreme court. Of course, OURS will then be drowned out by their deep pockets full of speech Bob-

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
Just keep saying to yourself. 1. Overpopulation is good. 2 Political corruption does not exist. Good luck and best wishes. ;-) jack RickG wrote: Jack, make that two trolls :) With all due respect, isnt that exactly how liberals respond to conservative claims - by demonizing

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
On the contrary Brad. Not all but a lot of what you just said I agree with. You are obviously a sharp thinker and I absolutely respect that. Thank you for taking the time to explain your thinking. Best of luck. Respectfully, jack Brad Belton wrote: Jack, Your

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
On the contrary Brad. Not all but a lot of what you just said I agree with. You are obviously a sharp thinker and I absolutely respect that. Thank you for taking the time to explain your thinking. Best of luck. Respectfully, jack Brad Belton wrote: Jack, Your

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Jack Unger
Thank God you're here!! Can I please join the pack ??? :-[ Robert West wrote: And me and my pack of highly trained Wispa Ninja warriors will be waiting for them to thwart their plans of conquest! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
LOL makes me recall article I read earlier tonight. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/at-t-s-iphone-deal-swamps-networ k-sparking-consumer-rebellion.html / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Robert West
Life, Liberty, Property. Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. For the common defense. It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the government. As long as there are greedy people and the what about mine? thinkers, it won't get any

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Robert West
Yes. You shall be admitted to the Brave Order of the Wispa Ninja Warriors and will be permitted to enjoy all the benefits of this association. This includes, but is not limited to, being declared Right and Correct to any one post of your choosing to the Wispa list per month. We only ask that