Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[George Rogato]

Frank Muto wrote:

> Don't get me wrong, Barracuda makes a fine appliance and comparing them to a 
> hosted solution with far greater processing 
> power, 7 global data centers and 14 redundant systems, now with the strength 
> of Google's cash and server farms, is two 
> different things.

Frank

Your right.

Postini is the way to go. I use an older hosted spam service thats not a 
member of wispa and I'm not going to mention their name.

Membership has priveledge

The benefit of the hosted spam filtering solution is keeping everything 
off your network and not having to handle that expense of server 
administration, maintenamce, and replacement.

IIt sound expensive when we started, but in all actuallity, it's saved 
us thousands every year.

I'm not paying for the spammers bandwidth either

George



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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Frank Muto]

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Lambert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 08:59:38AM -0400, Frank Muto wrote:
>> That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless
>> provider you have enough on your plate to deal with. Options
>> include, outsourcing email with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with
>> IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or outsource the AS/AV and take the load
>> off of your systems.
>
> I outsource my spam scanning.  I will *not* outsource my e-mail hosting.
>
> I outsourced anti-spam/anti-virus onto a barracuda model 400 because it
> was the model which would :
>
>  A) Save me 20 hours per week of analyzing and creating rules for my
> SpamAssassin boxes.
>
>  B) Still let me follow every message, every step of the way through
> the systems.
>
>  C) Only need one BSF 400 to handle the load that required 2
> SpamAssassin boxes.
>
>  D) Allow me to rebrand the interface.
>
>  E) Provide a web GUI for users to tweak their individual settings to a
> level which worked for them, with a quarantine holding area other
> than their inbox for the borderline stuff.  False positives suck
> less if you can pull them out of the quarantine.
>
> Things like Postini provide some of the same benefits.  But I really,
> really worry about B.  I could buy a new BSF model 600 every two years
> for the prices I was quoted by the Postini sales guy (not you).

Don't get me wrong, Barracuda makes a fine appliance and comparing them to a 
hosted solution with far greater processing 
power, 7 global data centers and 14 redundant systems, now with the strength of 
Google's cash and server farms, is two 
different things.

As for B, unfortunately that is a weakness that some IT people can not give up. 
45% of the IT departments in Fortune 1000 
companies in the US do not have too much of that same problem.

> A year or two later, I bought a second model 400 to help deal with the
> scanning load.  Spam volume had more than doubled.  Currently, we see
> more than 700,000 message send attempts to the two boxes per day.  The
> RBLs take out approximately 600,000 of those attempts.
>
>> Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need
>> it, if you outsource email. We have some clients that split between
>> the two by e.g., keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and
>> outsourcing additional AS/AV and email.  Barracuda needs to upgrade
>> their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO. Instead of selling
>> higher priced models or additional units to cover the amount of load
>> even for the under 500 user systems.
>
> I'm curious why you think the model 300/400 barracudas are desperately
> in need of gigabit ethernet.  In my experience with e-mail
> handling, the network interface has never been the bottleneck.  An
> anti-spam/anti-virus box needs lots of RAM, CPU and HD IO bandwidth.

This is what we are seeing with our cross-over sales from Cuda boxes coming 
over to Postini and some putting Postini in front 
of the Cuda box. Again the two services offer like services, but are still 
different. Postini is an easy product to offer as 
a reseller and our IT resellers who swap out 300/400 units for Postini tell us 
the box is a bottle neck.

Just in our own office network, we have some fairly high-end computers and run 
different NAS units for continuous backups and 
failover mirrored directories. When we went from a 10/100 to a Gigabit network, 
it was a significant boost to productivity. I 
feel the same could be done for the Cuda box, because selling a box based on 
active users, IMO no longer fits their modeling. 
We have Postini clients with 200-300 users out gunning clients with 3 to 4 
times the amount of users. With Postini, big or 
small, it does not matter.


> I wouldn't want to have to do much more non-RBL based scanning of mail
> with my two model 400s but that's not due to their choice of NIC.
>
> While I do have a few reservations about Barracuda Networks, it seems
> really weird to be slamming them for only having 100Mbps ethernet on
> their low end models.  The CPU and RAM in the BSF model 400 and below
> could never deal with a full 100Mbps of traffic.  E-mail traffic is less
> than 4% of our total network traffic.


> I would like to try a MailFoundry box because they seem to compare
> favorably to the BSFs at a slightly lower cost.  But, users *hate*
> change and if the MailFoundry didn't work, there would be two changes.
> Users switch to other providers at the slightest hint that there might
> be a change coming.  Users are strange.  Also, I don't have enough
> issues with the BSFs to be that interested in spending time converting
> to another system.




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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Scott Lambert]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 08:59:38AM -0400, Frank Muto wrote:
> That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless
> provider you have enough on your plate to deal with. Options
> include, outsourcing email with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with
> IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or outsource the AS/AV and take the load
> off of your systems.

I outsource my spam scanning.  I will *not* outsource my e-mail hosting.  

I outsourced anti-spam/anti-virus onto a barracuda model 400 because it
was the model which would :

  A) Save me 20 hours per week of analyzing and creating rules for my
 SpamAssassin boxes.

  B) Still let me follow every message, every step of the way through
 the systems.

  C) Only need one BSF 400 to handle the load that required 2
 SpamAssassin boxes.

  D) Allow me to rebrand the interface.

  E) Provide a web GUI for users to tweak their individual settings to a
 level which worked for them, with a quarantine holding area other
 than their inbox for the borderline stuff.  False positives suck
 less if you can pull them out of the quarantine.

Things like Postini provide some of the same benefits.  But I really,
really worry about B.  I could buy a new BSF model 600 every two years
for the prices I was quoted by the Postini sales guy (not you).

A year or two later, I bought a second model 400 to help deal with the
scanning load.  Spam volume had more than doubled.  Currently, we see
more than 700,000 message send attempts to the two boxes per day.  The
RBLs take out approximately 600,000 of those attempts.

> Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need
> it, if you outsource email. We have some clients that split between
> the two by e.g., keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and
> outsourcing additional AS/AV and email.  Barracuda needs to upgrade
> their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO. Instead of selling
> higher priced models or additional units to cover the amount of load
> even for the under 500 user systems.

I'm curious why you think the model 300/400 barracudas are desperately
in need of gigabit ethernet.  In my experience with e-mail
handling, the network interface has never been the bottleneck.  An
anti-spam/anti-virus box needs lots of RAM, CPU and HD IO bandwidth.

I wouldn't want to have to do much more non-RBL based scanning of mail
with my two model 400s but that's not due to their choice of NIC.

While I do have a few reservations about Barracuda Networks, it seems
really weird to be slamming them for only having 100Mbps ethernet on
their low end models.  The CPU and RAM in the BSF model 400 and below
could never deal with a full 100Mbps of traffic.  E-mail traffic is less
than 4% of our total network traffic.

I would like to try a MailFoundry box because they seem to compare
favorably to the BSFs at a slightly lower cost.  But, users *hate*
change and if the MailFoundry didn't work, there would be two changes.
Users switch to other providers at the slightest hint that there might
be a change coming.  Users are strange.  Also, I don't have enough
issues with the BSFs to be that interested in spending time converting
to another system.
 
-- 
Scott LambertKC5MLE   Unix SysAdmin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Scottie Arnett]

I have no idea how the Cuda works, so it may do some of these. It could
(SHOULD) make sure that the email to be delivered is to a valid email on the
system, make sure that the domain to be sent from is a valid domain, make
sure the domain or IP is not listed in the RBL's, etc... All this can be
done as soon as the MTA connects with a To/From (i.e. mailserver handshake)
and the message is sent from the originating email server. You can go one
step further with Sender Address Verification and/or greylisting, but that
is a hot topic that many email server admins have heated discussions over.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Frank Muto
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


Outbound is not as much trouble, unless of course a customer has a virus,
than inbound. Just how would the Cuda box do any 
checks without receiving a message? You still have all those connections
coming in, so the problem still exists.


Frank




- Original Message - 
From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


> The barracuda should do all the checks it can before the bandwidth is 
> every used. If its not, ditch it and go with the
> setup I mentioned earlier. There are many checks that can be done to
verify a legit email before it ever leaves the sending 
> email server to consume any bandwidth.
>
> Scott
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:33:01 -0400
>
>>I look at it this way, usage is up and there is more junk coming in 
>>now than pre-2003 and even more so from 2005. Broadband speeds and 
>>increased PC horse power, are allowing faster access for the customer, 
>>but also for the spammer/hacker.
>>
>>IMO, for anyone using Wi-Fi and also VOIP, taking the noise off the 
>>line enhances both services significantly. If offering mail filtering, 
>>compliance archiving and related services are not on your menu to 
>>business clients, it should be.
>>
>>There are a number of good providers out there that can be outsourced 
>>as a reseller. Email continuity (backup hot
>>mailboxes),
>>message filtering for your local businesses with Exchange servers, data
disaster services, are a hot market for you. There 
>>is
>>plenty of business right in your own back yard, just waiting for your
expertise.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Frank Muto
>>www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:15 AM
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>>
>>
>>> This is an age old argumentkeep it inhouse or outsource ?
>>>
>>> Outsource works very well as long as you have the right kind of 
>>> (good match) outsource partner, and in-house works well is you are 
>>> looking for full control and have extra available manpower to spare.
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that out-source does not have to be an end-all type of 
>>> solution. There are a few other great outsource Anti-Spam/Anti-Virus 
>>> provider.
>>>
>>> We used Postini for a long time, however a few years back they 
>>> forced us to change to a different provider, when they had decided 
>>> to change their business model and 'shove' a ridiculus contract down 
>>> our throat.
>>>
>>> It turns out, it was the best thing that happed to us. We ended up 
>>> using Katharion, which has been more accurate then Postini's service 
>>> and the folks there have been excellent in providing assitance, and 
>>> best of all the cost is a fraction of Postini.
>>>
>>> Another new but mature provider in the market space is TuCows, I 
>>> personally do not have experience with their service but have heard 
>>> good things about them.
>>>
>>> In our case, we ended up looking at the total cost of outsource vs 
>>> the cost of inhouse solutions + manhours required to optimize and 
>>> maintain...we came up with a figure of $6000-$7000/yes (approx 
>>> $500/month), as long as the total cost of the outsource was less 
>>> than this, the it was not worth bringing it inhouse.
>>>
>>> Addi

Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[David E. Smith]

Frank Muto wrote:
> Outbound is not as much trouble, unless of course a customer has a virus, 
> than inbound. Just how would the Cuda box do any 
> checks without receiving a message? You still have all those connections 
> coming in, so the problem still exists.

About 90% of our email is stopped by a simple DNS lookup, and the very 
brief TCP transaction necessary for the Barracuda to tell a remote 
client "nope, you're blacklisted, go away" is obviously much smaller 
than the relatively large transaction required to receive the message. 
You don't have to receive an email to know the sender's IP address.

If your upstream connection is so congested that these small, brief 
transactions cause major problems, you've got bigger problems than a bit 
of junk mail.

For scale, I have two Barracuda Spam Firewall 400s. Each handles around 
350,000 emails per day, with a peak of around 20,000 per hour on busy 
weekdays, for about 3,000 end-user email addresses. Each of the two 
units "averages" around 150Kbps up and down, with occasional spikes as 
high as 1.5Mbps when someone's trying a "dictionary attack" or other 
silly shenanigans. That means, worst-case, if someone is actively 
hammering both of them, it's a total of maybe 3Mbps. If that little 
traffic is enough to cause major problems for your broadband end-users, 
there's something very weird going on somewhere.

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Jason Hensley]

I've been very pleased with ModusMail/Gate (www.vircom.com).  Great products
and very effective.  I'm running modusMail for my primary server and
modusGate for filtering some business MS Exchange customers.  




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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Frank Muto]

Outbound is not as much trouble, unless of course a customer has a virus, than 
inbound. Just how would the Cuda box do any 
checks without receiving a message? You still have all those connections coming 
in, so the problem still exists.


Frank




- Original Message - 
From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


> The barracuda should do all the checks it can before the bandwidth is every 
> used. If its not, ditch it and go with the 
> setup I mentioned earlier. There are many checks that can be done to verify a 
> legit email before it ever leaves the sending 
> email server to consume any bandwidth.
>
> Scott
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:33:01 -0400
>
>>I look at it this way, usage is up and there is more junk coming in now than 
>>pre-2003 and even more so from 2005. Broadband
>>speeds and increased PC horse power, are allowing faster access for the 
>>customer, but also for the spammer/hacker.
>>
>>IMO, for anyone using Wi-Fi and also VOIP, taking the noise off the line 
>>enhances both services significantly. If offering
>>mail filtering, compliance archiving and related services are not on your 
>>menu to business clients, it should be.
>>
>>There are a number of good providers out there that can be outsourced as a 
>>reseller. Email continuity (backup hot 
>>mailboxes),
>>message filtering for your local businesses with Exchange servers, data 
>>disaster services, are a hot market for you. There 
>>is
>>plenty of business right in your own back yard, just waiting for your 
>>expertise.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Frank Muto
>>www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:15 AM
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>>
>>
>>> This is an age old argumentkeep it inhouse or outsource ?
>>>
>>> Outsource works very well as long as you have the right kind of (good match)
>>> outsource partner, and in-house works well is you are looking for full
>>> control and have extra available manpower to spare.
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that out-source does not have to be an end-all type of
>>> solution. There are a few other great outsource Anti-Spam/Anti-Virus
>>> provider.
>>>
>>> We used Postini for a long time, however a few years back they forced us to
>>> change to a different provider, when they had decided to change their
>>> business model and 'shove' a ridiculus contract down our throat.
>>>
>>> It turns out, it was the best thing that happed to us. We ended up using
>>> Katharion, which has been more accurate then Postini's service and the folks
>>> there have been excellent in providing assitance, and best of all the cost
>>> is a fraction of Postini.
>>>
>>> Another new but mature provider in the market space is TuCows, I personally
>>> do not have experience with their service but have heard good things about
>>> them.
>>>
>>> In our case, we ended up looking at the total cost of outsource vs the cost
>>> of inhouse solutions + manhours required to optimize and maintain.......we
>>> came up with a figure of $6000-$7000/yes (approx $500/month), as long as the
>>> total cost of the outsource was less than this, the it was not worth
>>> bringing it inhouse.
>>>
>>> Additionally we are also able to re-coup some of this expense by being able
>>> to sell the filtering as a service to corporate customers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Frank Muto
>>> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:00 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>>>
>>> That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you
>>> have enough on your plate to deal with. Options include, outsourcing email
>>> with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or

Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Rogelio]

Scottie Arnett wrote:
> Cheap P3 700Mhz Dell, Install Debian with Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassassin, 
> Razor, Dcc, Pyzor, Clamav, and a few choice others if you wish. Have it relay 
> to your internal mail server, and have internal not receive any email except 
> from Debian box. Make sure you have a way to transfer all legit email 
> addresses to Debian box. Built this solution for less than $200, not yearly 
> subscription, and it handles on average 60,000 emails a day. Want it to 
> handle more? Build a bigger PC.
> 
> I did all of this myself, and at the time I did not know jack about linux. I 
> used an old version documentation of http://www.piratefish.org/ that was free 
> at the time, they have a new version he will sell for about $70. I also 
> bought "No Starch, The Book Of Postfix."
> 

Ditto on PirateFish.  I got a cp a few years ago and was impressed with 
how Johnny clearly articulated things.

Here is a list of features that setup includes:

 *  Now using Ubuntu Linux Server 7.04
 * Piratefish Anti-Spam Integration Examples to make integration 
easy on any network
 * Sender Policy Framework Support
 * Integrated Linux Firewall
 * Advanced Bayesian Filtering
 * Daily Activity Reports onSpam Blocking
 * Spam Black List Support
 * Configurable for Two-way Mail Relay
 * Image Spam Blocking & Detection
 * An Anti-Spam Solution compatible with all Email servers
 * Step-by-Step Instructions, written specifically for users new to 
Linux and Spam Fighting
 * Integrated testing throughout configuration and building process
 * Postfix mail server software
 * MailScanner fraud detection software
 * SpamAssassin for extensive spam analysis
 * Integrated ClamAV anti-virus scanning
 * FuzzyOCR decoding of spam attached images
 * Integrated PDF scanning detects PDF spam advertisements (added 
8/11/2007)
 * Support for all major anti-spam and anti-malware black listing 
services
 * Support for white-listing of trusted domains and senders
 * Multiple Domain Support , no user limits
 * Flexible and Secure Linux Operating System
 * Troubleshooting & Linux Help Guide
 * Free online security and software updates provided by Ubuntu
 * Native Support for SMTP with TLS encryption
 * Email Technical Support
 * Secure Web Administration
 * 30 Day Money-Back Guarantee




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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Rogelio]

Eric Merkel wrote:
> We use the barracuda's and are gennerrally happy with the performance . 
> We're running 500K plus thru a pair of 400's. We have had performance issues 
> at times but if you pay for their instant replacement they'll swap out your 
> hardware. What I find somewhat bogus is the 400 they sold us a couple years 
> ago is not the same as what they are selling today. We just got a 400 
> replaced last week and the new unit came with 16G of memory and 10K drives. 
> The old unit had a 1G of memory and slower drives and I'm sure much slower 
> processor.

Pairing them up like that is what I've done.  They run quite ok in that 
configuration.  Expensive, but solid.

I'm still guessing (on what little I know from the orginal poster) that 
a managed Postini solution is up his alley.

> 
> In any case, if you really are strapped for cash, I would recommend checking 
> out MailScanner http://www.mailscanner.info/ . This software is highly 
> configurable and works quuite well so your only cost would be hardware and 
> your time to configure. If you are comfortable with Linux and the command 
> line this would be a good option for you. We're using mailscanner for our 
> outbound processing as well as inbound/outbound for our web hosting domains 
> with good results.

Some like mailscanner even better, as it allows you to check mail (if I 
remember right) with up to like a dozen AV scanners before it hits your 
MTA.  Here is more on the AV settings

http://wiki.mailscanner.info/doku.php?id=maq:index#anti-virus

Their overall documentation is very good, IMO

http://www.mailscanner.info/documentation.html

While zen.spamhaus is one of the more conservative solutions, you might 
sometimes get some false positives.  (I personally have no problems 
blocking *all* MTAs listed by SpamHaus)

You'll probably have more success blocking per spam URIs.

e.g. http://www.surbl.org/

Stay away from greylisting unless you're really wanting to get your 
hands dirty!  I set that up a while ago and had some major problems with 
gmail email getting snagged.  Eventually things sort themselves out, but 
in the interim, you will have a lot of really pissed customers!

HTH!



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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Scottie Arnett]

The barracuda should do all the checks it can before the bandwidth is every 
used. If its not, ditch it and go with the setup I mentioned earlier. There are 
many checks that can be done to verify a legit email before it ever leaves the 
sending email server to consume any bandwidth.

Scott

-- Original Message --
From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:33:01 -0400

>I look at it this way, usage is up and there is more junk coming in now than 
>pre-2003 and even more so from 2005. Broadband 
>speeds and increased PC horse power, are allowing faster access for the 
>customer, but also for the spammer/hacker.
>
>IMO, for anyone using Wi-Fi and also VOIP, taking the noise off the line 
>enhances both services significantly. If offering 
>mail filtering, compliance archiving and related services are not on your menu 
>to business clients, it should be.
>
>There are a number of good providers out there that can be outsourced as a 
>reseller. Email continuity (backup hot mailboxes), 
>message filtering for your local businesses with Exchange servers, data 
>disaster services, are a hot market for you. There is 
>plenty of business right in your own back yard, just waiting for your 
>expertise.
>
>
>
>
>Frank Muto
>www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>
>
>> This is an age old argumentkeep it inhouse or outsource ?
>>
>> Outsource works very well as long as you have the right kind of (good match)
>> outsource partner, and in-house works well is you are looking for full
>> control and have extra available manpower to spare.
>>
>> Keep in mind that out-source does not have to be an end-all type of
>> solution. There are a few other great outsource Anti-Spam/Anti-Virus
>> provider.
>>
>> We used Postini for a long time, however a few years back they forced us to
>> change to a different provider, when they had decided to change their
>> business model and 'shove' a ridiculus contract down our throat.
>>
>> It turns out, it was the best thing that happed to us. We ended up using
>> Katharion, which has been more accurate then Postini's service and the folks
>> there have been excellent in providing assitance, and best of all the cost
>> is a fraction of Postini.
>>
>> Another new but mature provider in the market space is TuCows, I personally
>> do not have experience with their service but have heard good things about
>> them.
>>
>> In our case, we ended up looking at the total cost of outsource vs the cost
>> of inhouse solutions + manhours required to optimize and maintain...we
>> came up with a figure of $6000-$7000/yes (approx $500/month), as long as the
>> total cost of the outsource was less than this, the it was not worth
>> bringing it inhouse.
>>
>> Additionally we are also able to re-coup some of this expense by being able
>> to sell the filtering as a service to corporate customers.
>>
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Frank Muto
>> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:00 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>>
>> That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you
>> have enough on your plate to deal with. Options include, outsourcing email
>> with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or
>> outsource the AS/AV and take the load off of your systems.
>>
>> Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need it, if you
>> outsource email. We have some clients that split between the two by e.g.,
>> keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and outsourcing additional
>> AS/AV and email.
>> Barracuda needs to upgrade their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO.
>> Instead of selling higher priced models or additional units to cover the
>> amount of load even for the under 500 user systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank Muto
>> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA

Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Scottie Arnett]

Cheap P3 700Mhz Dell, Install Debian with Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassassin, 
Razor, Dcc, Pyzor, Clamav, and a few choice others if you wish. Have it relay 
to your internal mail server, and have internal not receive any email except 
from Debian box. Make sure you have a way to transfer all legit email addresses 
to Debian box. Built this solution for less than $200, not yearly subscription, 
and it handles on average 60,000 emails a day. Want it to handle more? Build a 
bigger PC.

I did all of this myself, and at the time I did not know jack about linux. I 
used an old version documentation of http://www.piratefish.org/ that was free 
at the time, they have a new version he will sell for about $70. I also bought 
"No Starch, The Book Of Postfix."

I had Postini and got rid of them. My problem was I hosted some domains that 
did not want their email filtered at all. I use Imail on the inside server 
because it interfaces to my billing software. For Postini to be effective, you 
have to filter ALL email to your inside email server and block ALL email to the 
inside server except from Postini servers. Postini also kept raising their 
prices every year when my contract came due.

HTH,
Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:16:00 -0400

>UPDATE
>
>I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no
>way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is
>plug it in line as a bridge and "hope" that it does what you want cause you
>can't configure it for crap.
>
>So back to the "cuda." I tell you that I have turned off the use of the
>Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking
>care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam
>filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that
>all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have
>figured that out before I gave my money to the "cuda." 
>
>Thing is with a "cuda" you gotta keep feeding it (money) or it will become
>un-loyal and run away from you.
>
>Kurt Fankhauser
>WAVELINC
>P.O. Box 126
>Bucyrus, OH 44820
>419-562-6405
>www.wavelinc.com
> 
> 
>-Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Rogelio
>Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:18 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>
>Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
>> <http://www.untangle.com/>  it is free to install on any server. I have a
>> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't
>> even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
>> un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
>> pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
>got
>> <200 email addresses and its rated for 500.
>
>I would seriously stay away from untangle as an ISP-level solution.
>
>Sure, it's cool if you're a small shop with no budget, but this is not 
>something that you want to mess with.
>
>I'm guessing (because you're asking this question on this list) that are 
>looking for something easy.  If so, seriously consider doing the Postini 
>thing like others have suggested.  I would recommend several other 
>managed Barracuda solutions I've tried, but honestly, I've never had 
>with them the seamless experience I've had with Postini.
>
>Or...build your own solution!
>
>Like I said in an earlier email, Qmailtoaster is solid
>
>http://www.qmailtoaster.org/
>
>You can easily have it forward to other boxes, and it's an excellent 
>(IMO) "first defense" solution for those who are budget conscious and 
>willing to put in some (but not too much) elbow grease to fix their problem.
>
>Their listserv is good, in my opinion.  The people I've talked to there 
>have been quite helpful.
>
>
>
>
>WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>http://signup.wispa.org/
>
>
> 
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>
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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Frank Muto]

I look at it this way, usage is up and there is more junk coming in now than 
pre-2003 and even more so from 2005. Broadband 
speeds and increased PC horse power, are allowing faster access for the 
customer, but also for the spammer/hacker.

IMO, for anyone using Wi-Fi and also VOIP, taking the noise off the line 
enhances both services significantly. If offering 
mail filtering, compliance archiving and related services are not on your menu 
to business clients, it should be.

There are a number of good providers out there that can be outsourced as a 
reseller. Email continuity (backup hot mailboxes), 
message filtering for your local businesses with Exchange servers, data 
disaster services, are a hot market for you. There is 
plenty of business right in your own back yard, just waiting for your expertise.




Frank Muto
www.SecureEmailPlus.com










- Original Message - 
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


> This is an age old argumentkeep it inhouse or outsource ?
>
> Outsource works very well as long as you have the right kind of (good match)
> outsource partner, and in-house works well is you are looking for full
> control and have extra available manpower to spare.
>
> Keep in mind that out-source does not have to be an end-all type of
> solution. There are a few other great outsource Anti-Spam/Anti-Virus
> provider.
>
> We used Postini for a long time, however a few years back they forced us to
> change to a different provider, when they had decided to change their
> business model and 'shove' a ridiculus contract down our throat.
>
> It turns out, it was the best thing that happed to us. We ended up using
> Katharion, which has been more accurate then Postini's service and the folks
> there have been excellent in providing assitance, and best of all the cost
> is a fraction of Postini.
>
> Another new but mature provider in the market space is TuCows, I personally
> do not have experience with their service but have heard good things about
> them.
>
> In our case, we ended up looking at the total cost of outsource vs the cost
> of inhouse solutions + manhours required to optimize and maintain...we
> came up with a figure of $6000-$7000/yes (approx $500/month), as long as the
> total cost of the outsource was less than this, the it was not worth
> bringing it inhouse.
>
> Additionally we are also able to re-coup some of this expense by being able
> to sell the filtering as a service to corporate customers.
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Frank Muto
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:00 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>
> That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you
> have enough on your plate to deal with. Options include, outsourcing email
> with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or
> outsource the AS/AV and take the load off of your systems.
>
> Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need it, if you
> outsource email. We have some clients that split between the two by e.g.,
> keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and outsourcing additional
> AS/AV and email.
> Barracuda needs to upgrade their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO.
> Instead of selling higher priced models or additional units to cover the
> amount of load even for the under 500 user systems.
>
>
>
> Frank Muto
> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>
>
>> UPDATE
>>
>> I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no
>> way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is
>> plug it in line as a bridge and "hope" that it does what you want cause
> you
>> can't configure it for crap.
>>
>> So back to the "cuda." I tell you that I have turned off the use of the
>> Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking
>> care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam
>> filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that
>> all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have
>> figured that out before

Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Faisal Imtiaz]

This is an age old argumentkeep it inhouse or outsource ?

Outsource works very well as long as you have the right kind of (good match)
outsource partner, and in-house works well is you are looking for full
control and have extra available manpower to spare.

Keep in mind that out-source does not have to be an end-all type of
solution. There are a few other great outsource Anti-Spam/Anti-Virus
provider.

We used Postini for a long time, however a few years back they forced us to
change to a different provider, when they had decided to change their
business model and 'shove' a ridiculus contract down our throat.

It turns out, it was the best thing that happed to us. We ended up using
Katharion, which has been more accurate then Postini's service and the folks
there have been excellent in providing assitance, and best of all the cost
is a fraction of Postini.

Another new but mature provider in the market space is TuCows, I personally
do not have experience with their service but have heard good things about
them.

In our case, we ended up looking at the total cost of outsource vs the cost
of inhouse solutions + manhours required to optimize and maintain...we
came up with a figure of $6000-$7000/yes (approx $500/month), as long as the
total cost of the outsource was less than this, the it was not worth
bringing it inhouse.

Additionally we are also able to re-coup some of this expense by being able
to sell the filtering as a service to corporate customers.


Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Frank Muto
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you
have enough on your plate to deal with. Options include, outsourcing email
with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or
outsource the AS/AV and take the load off of your systems.

Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need it, if you
outsource email. We have some clients that split between the two by e.g.,
keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and outsourcing additional
AS/AV and email. 
Barracuda needs to upgrade their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO.
Instead of selling higher priced models or additional units to cover the
amount of load even for the under 500 user systems.



Frank Muto
www.SecureEmailPlus.com







- Original Message -
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


> UPDATE
>
> I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no
> way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is
> plug it in line as a bridge and "hope" that it does what you want cause
you
> can't configure it for crap.
>
> So back to the "cuda." I tell you that I have turned off the use of the
> Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking
> care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam
> filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that
> all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have
> figured that out before I gave my money to the "cuda."
>
> Thing is with a "cuda" you gotta keep feeding it (money) or it will become
> un-loyal and run away from you.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Rogelio
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:18 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>
> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
>> <http://www.untangle.com/>  it is free to install on any server. I have a
>> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't
>> even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
>> un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
>> pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
> got
>> <200 email addresses and its rated for 500.
>
> I would seriously stay away from untangle as an ISP-level solution.
>
> Sure, it's cool if you're a small shop with no budget, but this is not
> something that you want to mess with.
>
> I'm guessing (because you're asking this question on this list) that are
> looking for something easy.  If so, seriously consider doing the

Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Frank Muto]

That still puts pressure on the system resources. As a wireless provider you 
have enough on your plate to deal with. Options 
include, outsourcing email with integrated spam/virus (AS/AV) with 
IMAP/POP3/Webmail options, or outsource the AS/AV and take 
the load off of your systems.

Your current mail system is there for backup should you ever need it, if you 
outsource email. We have some clients that split 
between the two by e.g., keeping their appliance, in this case Barracuda and 
outsourcing additional AS/AV and email. 
Barracuda needs to upgrade their 300/400 units with Gigabit Ethernet, IMO. 
Instead of selling higher priced models or 
additional units to cover the amount of load even for the under 500 user 
systems.



Frank Muto
www.SecureEmailPlus.com







- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


> UPDATE
>
> I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no
> way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is
> plug it in line as a bridge and "hope" that it does what you want cause you
> can't configure it for crap.
>
> So back to the "cuda." I tell you that I have turned off the use of the
> Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking
> care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam
> filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that
> all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have
> figured that out before I gave my money to the "cuda."
>
> Thing is with a "cuda" you gotta keep feeding it (money) or it will become
> un-loyal and run away from you.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Rogelio
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:18 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>
> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
>> <http://www.untangle.com/>  it is free to install on any server. I have a
>> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't
>> even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
>> un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
>> pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
> got
>> <200 email addresses and its rated for 500.
>
> I would seriously stay away from untangle as an ISP-level solution.
>
> Sure, it's cool if you're a small shop with no budget, but this is not
> something that you want to mess with.
>
> I'm guessing (because you're asking this question on this list) that are
> looking for something easy.  If so, seriously consider doing the Postini
> thing like others have suggested.  I would recommend several other
> managed Barracuda solutions I've tried, but honestly, I've never had
> with them the seamless experience I've had with Postini.
>
> Or...build your own solution!
>
> Like I said in an earlier email, Qmailtoaster is solid
>
> http://www.qmailtoaster.org/
>
> You can easily have it forward to other boxes, and it's an excellent
> (IMO) "first defense" solution for those who are budget conscious and
> willing to put in some (but not too much) elbow grease to fix their problem.
>
> Their listserv is good, in my opinion.  The people I've talked to there
> have been quite helpful.
>
>
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Eric Merkel]

We use the barracuda's and are gennerrally happy with the performance . 
We're running 500K plus thru a pair of 400's. We have had performance issues 
at times but if you pay for their instant replacement they'll swap out your 
hardware. What I find somewhat bogus is the 400 they sold us a couple years 
ago is not the same as what they are selling today. We just got a 400 
replaced last week and the new unit came with 16G of memory and 10K drives. 
The old unit had a 1G of memory and slower drives and I'm sure much slower 
processor.

In any case, if you really are strapped for cash, I would recommend checking 
out MailScanner http://www.mailscanner.info/ . This software is highly 
configurable and works quuite well so your only cost would be hardware and 
your time to configure. If you are comfortable with Linux and the command 
line this would be a good option for you. We're using mailscanner for our 
outbound processing as well as inbound/outbound for our web hosting domains 
with good results.

Eric

- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


> UPDATE
>
> I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no
> way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is
> plug it in line as a bridge and "hope" that it does what you want cause 
> you
> can't configure it for crap.
>
> So back to the "cuda." I tell you that I have turned off the use of the
> Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking
> care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam
> filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that
> all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have
> figured that out before I gave my money to the "cuda."
>
> Thing is with a "cuda" you gotta keep feeding it (money) or it will become
> un-loyal and run away from you.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Rogelio
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:18 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>
> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
>> <http://www.untangle.com/>  it is free to install on any server. I have a
>> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't
>> even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
>> un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
>> pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
> got
>> <200 email addresses and its rated for 500.
>
> I would seriously stay away from untangle as an ISP-level solution.
>
> Sure, it's cool if you're a small shop with no budget, but this is not
> something that you want to mess with.
>
> I'm guessing (because you're asking this question on this list) that are
> looking for something easy.  If so, seriously consider doing the Postini
> thing like others have suggested.  I would recommend several other
> managed Barracuda solutions I've tried, but honestly, I've never had
> with them the seamless experience I've had with Postini.
>
> Or...build your own solution!
>
> Like I said in an earlier email, Qmailtoaster is solid
>
> http://www.qmailtoaster.org/
>
> You can easily have it forward to other boxes, and it's an excellent
> (IMO) "first defense" solution for those who are budget conscious and
> willing to put in some (but not too much) elbow grease to fix their 
> problem.
>
> Their listserv is good, in my opinion.  The people I've talked to there
> have been quite helpful.
>
>
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Kurt Fankhauser]

UPDATE

I just got done messing with that Untangled garbage. It has absolutely no
way to configure anything. It is basically setup so all you have to do is
plug it in line as a bridge and "hope" that it does what you want cause you
can't configure it for crap.

So back to the "cuda." I tell you that I have turned off the use of the
Barracuda black list and only use the zen.spamhaus.org BL and it is taking
care of about 95% of the spam. If anyone is looking to do some basic spam
filtering on the el-cheapo I would highly recommend some kind of box that
all it does is checks the zen.spamhaus.org blacklist. Wish I Would have
figured that out before I gave my money to the "cuda." 

Thing is with a "cuda" you gotta keep feeding it (money) or it will become
un-loyal and run away from you.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rogelio
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:18 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
> <http://www.untangle.com/>  it is free to install on any server. I have a
> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't
> even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
> un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
> pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
got
> <200 email addresses and its rated for 500.

I would seriously stay away from untangle as an ISP-level solution.

Sure, it's cool if you're a small shop with no budget, but this is not 
something that you want to mess with.

I'm guessing (because you're asking this question on this list) that are 
looking for something easy.  If so, seriously consider doing the Postini 
thing like others have suggested.  I would recommend several other 
managed Barracuda solutions I've tried, but honestly, I've never had 
with them the seamless experience I've had with Postini.

Or...build your own solution!

Like I said in an earlier email, Qmailtoaster is solid

http://www.qmailtoaster.org/

You can easily have it forward to other boxes, and it's an excellent 
(IMO) "first defense" solution for those who are budget conscious and 
willing to put in some (but not too much) elbow grease to fix their problem.

Their listserv is good, in my opinion.  The people I've talked to there 
have been quite helpful.




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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Rogelio]

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
>   it is free to install on any server. I have a
> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't
> even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
> un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
> pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only got
> <200 email addresses and its rated for 500.

I would seriously stay away from untangle as an ISP-level solution.

Sure, it's cool if you're a small shop with no budget, but this is not 
something that you want to mess with.

I'm guessing (because you're asking this question on this list) that are 
looking for something easy.  If so, seriously consider doing the Postini 
thing like others have suggested.  I would recommend several other 
managed Barracuda solutions I've tried, but honestly, I've never had 
with them the seamless experience I've had with Postini.

Or...build your own solution!

Like I said in an earlier email, Qmailtoaster is solid

http://www.qmailtoaster.org/

You can easily have it forward to other boxes, and it's an excellent 
(IMO) "first defense" solution for those who are budget conscious and 
willing to put in some (but not too much) elbow grease to fix their problem.

Their listserv is good, in my opinion.  The people I've talked to there 
have been quite helpful.



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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Rogelio]

Travis Johnson wrote:
> We have been a Postini customer since their first year in business. Once 
> you "outsource" that part of it, you wonder how you ever did it before. 
> Right now it is probably saving us at least 10Mbps of bandwidth, which 
> in our area is over $500 per month. We also charge customers $1 per 
> email per month, and businesses pay per domain. So, we are making money 
> on this service, and we don't have to even touch it most of the time 
> (and we have hundreds of domains, including full school districts, etc.) 
> and thousands of individual users.

Ditto on Postini.  It is truly the only "spam killer" I know of.

Slightly off topic, but if I have a friend or associate who is heavily 
invested in Outlook and needs something quick and easy (and is willing 
to pay for it), I highly recommend Cloudmark.

Sure, it's expensive and not that much more effective compared to other 
solns, but if it's not possible to rehaul their MTAs and redesign things 
on the network end, it's a godsend for certain c-level types.

(One big "problem" with it is that it works so well for certain c-level 
types that they forget how bad the spam problem is for everyone else on 
the domain and the project soon loses priority)



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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Rogelio]

Frank Muto wrote:
> Then you should be working with a reseller/distributor like us. Some of the 
> services do require an annual fee, but none that 
> require a minimum 3-year commitment.
> 
> At 60k emails, plus using Exchange; you are at a whole different level of 
> resources even with Barracuda, compared to the 
> average service provider.

Slightly off topic, but a friend of mine put in a Qmailtoaster box in 
front of his Exchange server and then made sure that his Exchange box 
only talked to the Qmailtoaster box.

That was his ghetto-fabulous version of a Barracuda, and it seemed to 
work quite well and is/was insanely easy to set up.




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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Frank Muto]

Then you should be working with a reseller/distributor like us. Some of the 
services do require an annual fee, but none that 
require a minimum 3-year commitment.

At 60k emails, plus using Exchange; you are at a whole different level of 
resources even with Barracuda, compared to the 
average service provider.



Frank Muto
Postini - Google Apps Distributor
www.SecureEmailPlus.com




- Original Message - 
From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


> Unless you know something I don't, all the quotes we have received from
> Postini require a 3 year commitment, with a minimum of 1 years payment
> up front.
>
> For my client that has 60,000 + emails coming into his Barracuda, his
> Exchange 2003 server is happily running along.
>
> John Thomas
>
>
> Frank Muto wrote:
>> Since when does Postini require a 3-year commitment? IMO there is more to 
>> the Frontbridge saga and even Barracuda can not 
>> fix
>> the hiccups of MS Exchange.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank Muto
>> Postini - Google Apps Distributor
>> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>>
>>
>>
>>> Travis, because there is an element of control that you lose when you
>>> outsource. I have a client that got really upset when an email that was
>>> addressed to 3 companies only made it to one employee. Long story short,
>>> Frontbridge saw that the email came into their servers, but only one
>>> copy went out to 1 of the companies employees. This took *several* hours
>>> and 3 different Frontbridge employees to find out.  If this client had
>>> been using a Barracuda, then there wouldn't have been a problem. Before
>>> you start to flame me, I know that you aren't supposed to use email in
>>> this manner, i.e. mission critical, time sensitive Purchase orders from
>>> Asia to the US, but this client did, and they were furious. Another
>>> reason I have a problem is that both Frontbridge and Postini *require* a
>>> 3 year commitment, and you may not have to pay up front, but once you
>>> sign on, they have you for 3 years. I have a BIG problem with any
>>> business that operates like that. In this instance, the cleint is now
>>> stuck with Frontbridge for 2 1/2 years, and their attitude when asked
>>> about a refund was "tough, you agreed to a 3 year term, and we have your
>>> money."
>>>
>>> John Thomas
>>>
>>>
>>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> And on another thought... with that much junk mail, why not use a
>>>> service that blocks the spam BEFORE it uses your bandwidth and
>>>> resources? Like Postini... or others.
>>>>
>>>> Travis
>>>> Microserv
>>>>
>>>> Frank Muto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just a thought, unless you have a 600 or better unit, you are running 
>>>>> 1x10/100 Ethernet on 100-400 units vs. 2xGigabit 
>>>>> on
>>>>> to
>>>>> 600-1000 units, IMO creating a bottleneck even with low to moderate user 
>>>>> accounts. This is where most of our cross-over
>>>>> sales
>>>>> are from, in the lower model units. With the amount of junk email flying 
>>>>> around out there, even active user accounts
>>>>> under
>>>>> 250 are pulling in substantial amounts of junk and direct harvest attacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank Muto
>>>>> www.secureemailplus.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>>> From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kurt,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  What firmware are you running?
>>>>>> How many emails are you filtering?
>>>>>> Have you done a "h

Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[John Thomas]

Unless you know something I don't, all the quotes we have received from 
Postini require a 3 year commitment, with a minimum of 1 years payment 
up front.

For my client that has 60,000 + emails coming into his Barracuda, his 
Exchange 2003 server is happily running along.

John Thomas


Frank Muto wrote:
> Since when does Postini require a 3-year commitment? IMO there is more to the 
> Frontbridge saga and even Barracuda can not fix 
> the hiccups of MS Exchange.
>
>
>
>
> Frank Muto
> Postini - Google Apps Distributor
> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>
>
>   
>> Travis, because there is an element of control that you lose when you
>> outsource. I have a client that got really upset when an email that was
>> addressed to 3 companies only made it to one employee. Long story short,
>> Frontbridge saw that the email came into their servers, but only one
>> copy went out to 1 of the companies employees. This took *several* hours
>> and 3 different Frontbridge employees to find out.  If this client had
>> been using a Barracuda, then there wouldn't have been a problem. Before
>> you start to flame me, I know that you aren't supposed to use email in
>> this manner, i.e. mission critical, time sensitive Purchase orders from
>> Asia to the US, but this client did, and they were furious. Another
>> reason I have a problem is that both Frontbridge and Postini *require* a
>> 3 year commitment, and you may not have to pay up front, but once you
>> sign on, they have you for 3 years. I have a BIG problem with any
>> business that operates like that. In this instance, the cleint is now
>> stuck with Frontbridge for 2 1/2 years, and their attitude when asked
>> about a refund was "tough, you agreed to a 3 year term, and we have your
>> money."
>>
>> John Thomas
>>
>>
>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>> 
>>> And on another thought... with that much junk mail, why not use a
>>> service that blocks the spam BEFORE it uses your bandwidth and
>>> resources? Like Postini... or others.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Frank Muto wrote:
>>>   
>>>> Just a thought, unless you have a 600 or better unit, you are running 
>>>> 1x10/100 Ethernet on 100-400 units vs. 2xGigabit on 
>>>> to
>>>> 600-1000 units, IMO creating a bottleneck even with low to moderate user 
>>>> accounts. This is where most of our cross-over 
>>>> sales
>>>> are from, in the lower model units. With the amount of junk email flying 
>>>> around out there, even active user accounts 
>>>> under
>>>> 250 are pulling in substantial amounts of junk and direct harvest attacks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Frank Muto
>>>> www.secureemailplus.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:13 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Kurt,
>>>>>
>>>>>  What firmware are you running?
>>>>> How many emails are you filtering?
>>>>> Have you done a "hard reboot" on it lately?
>>>>> How many Spam emails are you killing per hour? Per day? (There is a Daily
>>>>> Traffic graph/email that tell you this)
>>>>>
>>>>> I know mine too (Cuda) is sluggish, but it's the amount of incoming spam
>>>>> that is bogging us down. We are getting hammered (and have been for 
>>>>> months)
>>>>> by spam in excess of 500,000 per 24 hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will agree - Cuda is a PITA and we will begin testing with Jeremy Davis
>>>>> this week. He hosts the backend (web hosting, email, radius, 
>>>>> Freeside...etc)
>>>>> for a bunch of other WISPs including SPAM filtering - My fingers are 
>>>>> crossed
>>>>> and if you will holler at me off list later this week I will give you a
>>>>> report on 

Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

We have been a Postini customer since their first year in business.
Once you "outsource" that part of it, you wonder how you ever did it
before. Right now it is probably saving us at least 10Mbps of
bandwidth, which in our area is over $500 per month. We also charge
customers $1 per email per month, and businesses pay per domain. So, we
are making money on this service, and we don't have to even touch it
most of the time (and we have hundreds of domains, including full
school districts, etc.) and thousands of individual users.

The other advantage is if your internet backbone goes down (for
whatever reason), Postini will automatically "cache" your email so once
you are back up, all the email gets delivered. (same if your email
server dies, etc.)

(Maybe I should become a Postini reseller, eh? :) )

Travis
Microserv

John Thomas wrote:

  Travis, because there is an element of control that you lose when you 
outsource. I have a client that got really upset when an email that was 
addressed to 3 companies only made it to one employee. Long story short, 
Frontbridge saw that the email came into their servers, but only one 
copy went out to 1 of the companies employees. This took *several* hours 
and 3 different Frontbridge employees to find out.  If this client had 
been using a Barracuda, then there wouldn't have been a problem. Before 
you start to flame me, I know that you aren't supposed to use email in 
this manner, i.e. mission critical, time sensitive Purchase orders from 
Asia to the US, but this client did, and they were furious. Another 
reason I have a problem is that both Frontbridge and Postini *require* a 
3 year commitment, and you may not have to pay up front, but once you 
sign on, they have you for 3 years. I have a BIG problem with any 
business that operates like that. In this instance, the cleint is now 
stuck with Frontbridge for 2 1/2 years, and their attitude when asked 
about a refund was "tough, you agreed to a 3 year term, and we have your 
money."

John Thomas


Travis Johnson wrote:
  
  
And on another thought... with that much junk mail, why not use a 
service that blocks the spam BEFORE it uses your bandwidth and 
resources? Like Postini... or others.

Travis
Microserv

Frank Muto wrote:


  Just a thought, unless you have a 600 or better unit, you are running 1x10/100 Ethernet on 100-400 units vs. 2xGigabit on to 
600-1000 units, IMO creating a bottleneck even with low to moderate user accounts. This is where most of our cross-over sales 
are from, in the lower model units. With the amount of junk email flying around out there, even active user accounts under 
250 are pulling in substantial amounts of junk and direct harvest attacks.


Frank Muto
www.secureemailplus.com





- Original Message - 
From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


  
  
  
Kurt,

 What firmware are you running?
How many emails are you filtering?
Have you done a "hard reboot" on it lately?
How many Spam emails are you killing per hour? Per day? (There is a Daily
Traffic graph/email that tell you this)

I know mine too (Cuda) is sluggish, but it's the amount of incoming spam
that is bogging us down. We are getting hammered (and have been for months)
by spam in excess of 500,000 per 24 hours.

I will agree - Cuda is a PITA and we will begin testing with Jeremy Davis
this week. He hosts the backend (web hosting, email, radius, Freeside...etc)
for a bunch of other WISPs including SPAM filtering - My fingers are crossed
and if you will holler at me off list later this week I will give you a
report on how things are going.

Mac






  -Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:00 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
  it is free to install on any server. I have
a
Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I
don't
even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
got
<200 email addresses and its rated for 500.



I'm looking for anything this Barracuda junk is not worth the $500 year
subscription when you can't even log into it.





Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com









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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Frank Muto]

Since when does Postini require a 3-year commitment? IMO there is more to the 
Frontbridge saga and even Barracuda can not fix 
the hiccups of MS Exchange.




Frank Muto
Postini - Google Apps Distributor
www.SecureEmailPlus.com






- Original Message - 
From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


> Travis, because there is an element of control that you lose when you
> outsource. I have a client that got really upset when an email that was
> addressed to 3 companies only made it to one employee. Long story short,
> Frontbridge saw that the email came into their servers, but only one
> copy went out to 1 of the companies employees. This took *several* hours
> and 3 different Frontbridge employees to find out.  If this client had
> been using a Barracuda, then there wouldn't have been a problem. Before
> you start to flame me, I know that you aren't supposed to use email in
> this manner, i.e. mission critical, time sensitive Purchase orders from
> Asia to the US, but this client did, and they were furious. Another
> reason I have a problem is that both Frontbridge and Postini *require* a
> 3 year commitment, and you may not have to pay up front, but once you
> sign on, they have you for 3 years. I have a BIG problem with any
> business that operates like that. In this instance, the cleint is now
> stuck with Frontbridge for 2 1/2 years, and their attitude when asked
> about a refund was "tough, you agreed to a 3 year term, and we have your
> money."
>
> John Thomas
>
>
> Travis Johnson wrote:
>> And on another thought... with that much junk mail, why not use a
>> service that blocks the spam BEFORE it uses your bandwidth and
>> resources? Like Postini... or others.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Frank Muto wrote:
>>> Just a thought, unless you have a 600 or better unit, you are running 
>>> 1x10/100 Ethernet on 100-400 units vs. 2xGigabit on 
>>> to
>>> 600-1000 units, IMO creating a bottleneck even with low to moderate user 
>>> accounts. This is where most of our cross-over 
>>> sales
>>> are from, in the lower model units. With the amount of junk email flying 
>>> around out there, even active user accounts 
>>> under
>>> 250 are pulling in substantial amounts of junk and direct harvest attacks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank Muto
>>> www.secureemailplus.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kurt,
>>>>
>>>>  What firmware are you running?
>>>> How many emails are you filtering?
>>>> Have you done a "hard reboot" on it lately?
>>>> How many Spam emails are you killing per hour? Per day? (There is a Daily
>>>> Traffic graph/email that tell you this)
>>>>
>>>> I know mine too (Cuda) is sluggish, but it's the amount of incoming spam
>>>> that is bogging us down. We are getting hammered (and have been for months)
>>>> by spam in excess of 500,000 per 24 hours.
>>>>
>>>> I will agree - Cuda is a PITA and we will begin testing with Jeremy Davis
>>>> this week. He hosts the backend (web hosting, email, radius, 
>>>> Freeside...etc)
>>>> for a bunch of other WISPs including SPAM filtering - My fingers are 
>>>> crossed
>>>> and if you will holler at me off list later this week I will give you a
>>>> report on how things are going.
>>>>
>>>> Mac
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:00 AM
>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
>>>>> <http://www.untangle.com/>  it is free to install on any server. I have
>>>>> a
>>>>> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I
>>>>> don't
>>>>&

Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[John Thomas]

Travis, because there is an element of control that you lose when you 
outsource. I have a client that got really upset when an email that was 
addressed to 3 companies only made it to one employee. Long story short, 
Frontbridge saw that the email came into their servers, but only one 
copy went out to 1 of the companies employees. This took *several* hours 
and 3 different Frontbridge employees to find out.  If this client had 
been using a Barracuda, then there wouldn't have been a problem. Before 
you start to flame me, I know that you aren't supposed to use email in 
this manner, i.e. mission critical, time sensitive Purchase orders from 
Asia to the US, but this client did, and they were furious. Another 
reason I have a problem is that both Frontbridge and Postini *require* a 
3 year commitment, and you may not have to pay up front, but once you 
sign on, they have you for 3 years. I have a BIG problem with any 
business that operates like that. In this instance, the cleint is now 
stuck with Frontbridge for 2 1/2 years, and their attitude when asked 
about a refund was "tough, you agreed to a 3 year term, and we have your 
money."

John Thomas


Travis Johnson wrote:
> And on another thought... with that much junk mail, why not use a 
> service that blocks the spam BEFORE it uses your bandwidth and 
> resources? Like Postini... or others.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Frank Muto wrote:
>> Just a thought, unless you have a 600 or better unit, you are running 
>> 1x10/100 Ethernet on 100-400 units vs. 2xGigabit on to 
>> 600-1000 units, IMO creating a bottleneck even with low to moderate user 
>> accounts. This is where most of our cross-over sales 
>> are from, in the lower model units. With the amount of junk email flying 
>> around out there, even active user accounts under 
>> 250 are pulling in substantial amounts of junk and direct harvest attacks.
>>
>>
>> Frank Muto
>> www.secureemailplus.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>>
>>
>>   
>>> Kurt,
>>>
>>>  What firmware are you running?
>>> How many emails are you filtering?
>>> Have you done a "hard reboot" on it lately?
>>> How many Spam emails are you killing per hour? Per day? (There is a Daily
>>> Traffic graph/email that tell you this)
>>>
>>> I know mine too (Cuda) is sluggish, but it's the amount of incoming spam
>>> that is bogging us down. We are getting hammered (and have been for months)
>>> by spam in excess of 500,000 per 24 hours.
>>>
>>> I will agree - Cuda is a PITA and we will begin testing with Jeremy Davis
>>> this week. He hosts the backend (web hosting, email, radius, Freeside...etc)
>>> for a bunch of other WISPs including SPAM filtering - My fingers are crossed
>>> and if you will holler at me off list later this week I will give you a
>>> report on how things are going.
>>>
>>> Mac
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:00 AM
>>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
>>>> <http://www.untangle.com/>  it is free to install on any server. I have
>>>> a
>>>> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I
>>>> don't
>>>> even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
>>>> un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
>>>> pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
>>>> got
>>>> <200 email addresses and its rated for 500.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for anything this Barracuda junk is not worth the $500 year
>>>> subscription when you can't even log into it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>> WAVELINC
>>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>> 419-562-6405
>>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
&

Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Travis Johnson]

And on another thought... with that much junk mail, why not use a
service that blocks the spam BEFORE it uses your bandwidth and
resources? Like Postini... or others.

Travis
Microserv

Frank Muto wrote:

  Just a thought, unless you have a 600 or better unit, you are running 1x10/100 Ethernet on 100-400 units vs. 2xGigabit on to 
600-1000 units, IMO creating a bottleneck even with low to moderate user accounts. This is where most of our cross-over sales 
are from, in the lower model units. With the amount of junk email flying around out there, even active user accounts under 
250 are pulling in substantial amounts of junk and direct harvest attacks.


Frank Muto
www.secureemailplus.com





- Original Message - 
From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


  
  
Kurt,

 What firmware are you running?
How many emails are you filtering?
Have you done a "hard reboot" on it lately?
How many Spam emails are you killing per hour? Per day? (There is a Daily
Traffic graph/email that tell you this)

I know mine too (Cuda) is sluggish, but it's the amount of incoming spam
that is bogging us down. We are getting hammered (and have been for months)
by spam in excess of 500,000 per 24 hours.

I will agree - Cuda is a PITA and we will begin testing with Jeremy Davis
this week. He hosts the backend (web hosting, email, radius, Freeside...etc)
for a bunch of other WISPs including SPAM filtering - My fingers are crossed
and if you will holler at me off list later this week I will give you a
report on how things are going.

Mac





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:00 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
  it is free to install on any server. I have
a
Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I
don't
even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
got
<200 email addresses and its rated for 500.



I'm looking for anything this Barracuda junk is not worth the $500 year
subscription when you can't even log into it.





Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com









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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Frank Muto]

Just a thought, unless you have a 600 or better unit, you are running 1x10/100 
Ethernet on 100-400 units vs. 2xGigabit on to 
600-1000 units, IMO creating a bottleneck even with low to moderate user 
accounts. This is where most of our cross-over sales 
are from, in the lower model units. With the amount of junk email flying around 
out there, even active user accounts under 
250 are pulling in substantial amounts of junk and direct harvest attacks.


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From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda


> Kurt,
>
>  What firmware are you running?
> How many emails are you filtering?
> Have you done a "hard reboot" on it lately?
> How many Spam emails are you killing per hour? Per day? (There is a Daily
> Traffic graph/email that tell you this)
>
> I know mine too (Cuda) is sluggish, but it's the amount of incoming spam
> that is bogging us down. We are getting hammered (and have been for months)
> by spam in excess of 500,000 per 24 hours.
>
> I will agree - Cuda is a PITA and we will begin testing with Jeremy Davis
> this week. He hosts the backend (web hosting, email, radius, Freeside...etc)
> for a bunch of other WISPs including SPAM filtering - My fingers are crossed
> and if you will holler at me off list later this week I will give you a
> report on how things are going.
>
> Mac
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:00 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
>>
>> Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
>> <http://www.untangle.com/>  it is free to install on any server. I have
>> a
>> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I
>> don't
>> even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
>> un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
>> pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
>> got
>> <200 email addresses and its rated for 500.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking for anything this Barracuda junk is not worth the $500 year
>> subscription when you can't even log into it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Mac Dearman]

Kurt,

  What firmware are you running?
How many emails are you filtering?
Have you done a "hard reboot" on it lately?
How many Spam emails are you killing per hour? Per day? (There is a Daily
Traffic graph/email that tell you this)

I know mine too (Cuda) is sluggish, but it's the amount of incoming spam
that is bogging us down. We are getting hammered (and have been for months)
by spam in excess of 500,000 per 24 hours.

 I will agree - Cuda is a PITA and we will begin testing with Jeremy Davis
this week. He hosts the backend (web hosting, email, radius, Freeside...etc)
for a bunch of other WISPs including SPAM filtering - My fingers are crossed
and if you will holler at me off list later this week I will give you a
report on how things are going.

Mac



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:00 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda
> 
> Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
>   it is free to install on any server. I have
> a
> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I
> don't
> even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
> un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
> pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
> got
> <200 email addresses and its rated for 500.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm looking for anything this Barracuda junk is not worth the $500 year
> subscription when you can't even log into it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I have not called them, I am running about 20,000 emails a day through this
200.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

Have you called Barracuda Support? They are good to work with and may be 
able to help you-you could have something weird going on in the box that 
needs to be fixed.  We don't generally sell the 200's, but I have had 
300's that handle 60,000 + emails a day and aren't breaking a sweat.

John Thomas

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
> <http://www.untangle.com/>  it is free to install on any server. I have a
> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't
> even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
> un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
> pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
got
> <200 email addresses and its rated for 500. 
>
>  
>
> I'm looking for anything this Barracuda junk is not worth the $500 year
> subscription when you can't even log into it.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[John Thomas]

Have you called Barracuda Support? They are good to work with and may be 
able to help you-you could have something weird going on in the box that 
needs to be fixed.  We don't generally sell the 200's, but I have had 
300's that handle 60,000 + emails a day and aren't breaking a sweat.

John Thomas

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com
>   it is free to install on any server. I have a
> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't
> even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
> un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
> pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only got
> <200 email addresses and its rated for 500. 
>
>  
>
> I'm looking for anything this Barracuda junk is not worth the $500 year
> subscription when you can't even log into it.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
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Re: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda

[David E. Smith]

> I have a
> Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't
> even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so
> un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change
> pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only
> got <200 email addresses and its rated for 500.

Barracuda horribly overstates the capacity of their hardware - a couple
years ago, we had a Spam Firewall 400 doing basically the same sort of
thing you're describing, and after weeks of back-and-forth, an engineer
confessed to me that the capacity numbers they list (in terms of messages
per day) are, let's say, optimistic.

Basically, they're only accurate if (literally) 99% of your mail is
stopped by DNS blacklists. The best we've ever gotten on that metric is
about 90% - anything other than zen.spamhaus.org and we had far too many
false-positives. That means my unit was handling, as far as their
engineers were concerned, about ten times as much email as it was supposed
to; the messages that weren't held up by DNS blacklists then had to be
scanned "manually" by examining the content.

Ultimately, we bought a second 400 unit - the whole package basically
"just works" and even at $2000/year (for two subscriptions at $1000 each
for the bigger units), it's still a very good value for us at this time.

Call Barracuda Support, have them make sure there's nothing going horribly
wrong inside your unit (they're just Linux boxes with a fancy Web
interface), but it really sounds like yours is just working too hard.

David Smith
MVN.net





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