Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[James Andrewartha]

Well, if you are willing to replace your wired network and APs, I believe 
Extreme APs on Extreme Campus Fabric (802.1aq SPB) will let you assign an I-SID 
per client which will tunnel traffic back to your core, and they can be cloud 
managed. You might not be able to do the I-SID mapping with the current cloud 
release but I would be very surprised if it’s not available later in the year. 
So it’s possible if controller-less is something you or your management truly 
desires (and can stomach a wholesale rip and replace of the entire network of 
course).

Automation you say? Would you like hardcoded backdoor admin accounts with that? 
Or two other CVSS 10.0 exploits? 
https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/content/CiscoSecurityAdvisory/cisco-sa-20180516-dnac
https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/content/CiscoSecurityAdvisory/cisco-sa-20180516-dna2
https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/content/CiscoSecurityAdvisory/cisco-sa-20180516-dna

--
James Andrewartha
Network & Projects Engineer
Christ Church Grammar School
Claremont, Western Australia
Ph. (08) 9442 1757
Mob. 0424 160 877

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Lee H Badman 
<lhbad...@syr.edu>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Monday, 21 May 2018 at 9:43 pm
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

I struggle with this question, too (cloud versus not) as a long-time user of 
both. The need to trunk VLANs to cloud-based APs in a big environment is more 
of an issue to me than code paradigms. Absolutely nothing could be worse than a 
certain vendor’s appliance-based controller code quality track record over the 
last 12 years. A culture of “accepted suck” seems to pervade over that business 
unit and their most loyal customers, while I scratch my head over why there 
hasn’t been a class-action lawsuit over the entire mess. Now add automation to 
the mix and hang on for THAT thrill ride.

I’d love to have no more controllers, but the VLAN thing is tough to swallow.

-Lee Badman

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network 
Operations)
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 8:33 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

With a cloud solution, if they mess up feature addition you are stuck with that 
latest version, correct? With controller-based ot Aruba Instant type scenarios 
you are in charge of when to upgrade, waiting for stable builds.


Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless
 (434) 592-4229
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Enfield III, Charles Albert [mailto:cae...@psu.edu]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless Options

The other thing that’s going to change is the functionality.  Jeff was on the 
right track when he talked about vendors with a global presence being better 
able to identify bugs, security flaws etc. and promptly diagnose and patch 
them.  They’re also better positioned to apply machine learning and AI to the 
problems of network security and Wi-Fi optimization.  If they’re doing things 
right, the cloud product won’t be a hamstrung version of the controller 
product.  It will be a better version of the controller product.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 1:30 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

One of the difficulties in comparing TCO is around staffing. Both estimating 
how much time staff really spend on the current solution, but also taking into 
account base salary with benefits. At many colleges, benefits can add another 
30%+ to the cost of a person. As such, the elimination (or reallocation) of one 
FTE has a huge impact on on-premise vs cloud comparisons. That single FTE could 
be $100K (salary + benefits) per year, saving (or reallocating) $700K over 
those 7 years.

In a lot of our cloud shift, those FTE’s have been re-allocated into more 
important roles such as security.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
<tcar...@austincollege.edu<mailto:tcar...@austincollege.edu>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LA

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Fishel Erps]

We have used Adtran/BlueSocket for many years.  They have both an
on-premises VM-based controller, and a cloud offering.

Our deployment consists of 500+ APs and a VM-based controller.  Like any
vendor’s product line, it has its own idiosyncrasies.  Overall, we’ve been
happy with the product, and their tech support and commitment to the
product has been excellent.


__
__

Fishel Erps,
Sr. Network & Infrastructure Engineer
School of Visual Arts
136 W 21st St., 8th Floor

New York, NY, 10011

E:  fe...@sva.edu
___

Please excuse any typographical
errors as this e-mail has been sent
from my mobile device
___


On May 22, 2018, at 08:22, Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu> wrote:

You don’t with any lightweight, controller-managed AP. That was my point.
Are you talking Aruba cloud-managed?



*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Osborne, Bruce W
(Network Operations)
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2018 7:31 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options



With Aruba APs you do not trunk VLANs to the APs.



Just sayin’ 





*Bruce Osborne*

*Senior Network Engineer*

*Network Operations - Wireless*

 *(434) 592-4229*

*LIBERTY UNIVERSITY*

*Training Champions for Christ since 1971*



*From:* Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu <lhbad...@syr.edu>]
*Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 9:43 AM
*Subject:* Re: Wireless Options



I struggle with this question, too (cloud versus not) as a long-time user
of both. The need to trunk VLANs to cloud-based APs in a big environment is
more of an issue to me than code paradigms. Absolutely nothing could be
worse than a certain vendor’s appliance-based controller code quality track
record over the last 12 years. A culture of “accepted suck” seems to
pervade over that business unit and their most loyal customers, while I
scratch my head over why there hasn’t been a class-action lawsuit over the
entire mess. Now add automation to the mix and hang on for THAT thrill ride.



I’d love to have no more controllers, but the VLAN thing is tough to
swallow.



-Lee Badman



*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Osborne, Bruce W
(Network Operations)
*Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 8:33 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options



With a cloud solution, if they mess up feature addition you are stuck with
that latest version, correct? With controller-based ot Aruba Instant type
scenarios you are in charge of when to upgrade, waiting for stable builds.





*Bruce Osborne*

*Senior Network Engineer*

*Network Operations - Wireless*

 *(434) 592-4229*

*LIBERTY UNIVERSITY*

*Training Champions for Christ since 1971*



*From:* Enfield III, Charles Albert [mailto:cae...@psu.edu <cae...@psu.edu>]

*Sent:* Friday, May 18, 2018 2:54 PM
*Subject:* Re: Wireless Options



The other thing that’s going to change is the functionality.  Jeff was on
the right track when he talked about vendors with a global presence being
better able to identify bugs, security flaws etc. and promptly diagnose and
patch them.  They’re also better positioned to apply machine learning and
AI to the problems of network security and Wi-Fi optimization.  *If they’re
doing things right*, the cloud product won’t be a hamstrung version of the
controller product.  It will be a better version of the controller product.



*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey D. Sessler
*Sent:* Friday, May 18, 2018 1:30 PM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options



One of the difficulties in comparing TCO is around staffing. Both
estimating how much time staff really spend on the current solution, but
also taking into account base salary with benefits. At many colleges,
benefits can add another 30%+ to the cost of a person. As such, the
elimination (or reallocation) of one FTE has a huge impact on on-premise vs
cloud comparisons. That single FTE could be $100K (salary + benefits) per
year, saving (or reallocating) $700K over those 7 years.



In a lot of our cloud shift, those FTE’s have been re-allocated into more
important roles such as security.



Jeff



*From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Thomas Carter <
tcar...@austincollege.edu>
*Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
*Date: *Friday, May 18, 2018 at 8:43 AM
*To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
*Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options



For cloud to reall

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

Lee’s comment is one where the cloud may be a better fit and/or would get 
resolution to plaguing issues. If I and thousands of other customers have an 
on-premise solution that has been rock solid,  yet Lee has the same vendor 
solution and it’s so problematic, how do we compare notes and/or help the 
vendor in teasing out the differences? It’s near impossible, but in a proper 
cloud situation, where the vendor can analyze everything including 
cross-customer configurations, perhaps there is hope for those that are 
struggling?

I believe this is even more helpful if the IT department is small, and just 
doesn’t have the bandwidth to deep-dive into the technology. If the expectation 
is that it just works, then the cloud solutions, with fewer interesting knobs 
to turn/adjust, might just be the right call.

On the subject of extending VLANs, it comes down to network/applications design 
philosophy. If you reach a state where you eliminate the network as an access 
control mechanism e.g. this vlan for access to app Z, then you can perhaps drop 
users into whatever network is already on the switch. There is also network 
virtualization which is another subject altogether.

Jeff


From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of "lhbad...@syr.edu" <lhbad...@syr.edu>
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Monday, May 21, 2018 at 6:43 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

I struggle with this question, too (cloud versus not) as a long-time user of 
both. The need to trunk VLANs to cloud-based APs in a big environment is more 
of an issue to me than code paradigms. Absolutely nothing could be worse than a 
certain vendor’s appliance-based controller code quality track record over the 
last 12 years. A culture of “accepted suck” seems to pervade over that business 
unit and their most loyal customers, while I scratch my head over why there 
hasn’t been a class-action lawsuit over the entire mess. Now add automation to 
the mix and hang on for THAT thrill ride.

I’d love to have no more controllers, but the VLAN thing is tough to swallow.

-Lee Badman

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network 
Operations)
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 8:33 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

With a cloud solution, if they mess up feature addition you are stuck with that 
latest version, correct? With controller-based ot Aruba Instant type scenarios 
you are in charge of when to upgrade, waiting for stable builds.


Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless
 (434) 592-4229
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Enfield III, Charles Albert [mailto:cae...@psu.edu]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless Options

The other thing that’s going to change is the functionality.  Jeff was on the 
right track when he talked about vendors with a global presence being better 
able to identify bugs, security flaws etc. and promptly diagnose and patch 
them.  They’re also better positioned to apply machine learning and AI to the 
problems of network security and Wi-Fi optimization.  If they’re doing things 
right, the cloud product won’t be a hamstrung version of the controller 
product.  It will be a better version of the controller product.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 1:30 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

One of the difficulties in comparing TCO is around staffing. Both estimating 
how much time staff really spend on the current solution, but also taking into 
account base salary with benefits. At many colleges, benefits can add another 
30%+ to the cost of a person. As such, the elimination (or reallocation) of one 
FTE has a huge impact on on-premise vs cloud comparisons. That single FTE could 
be $100K (salary + benefits) per year, saving (or reallocating) $700K over 
those 7 years.

In a lot of our cloud shift, those FTE’s have been re-allocated into more 
important roles such as security.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
<tcar...@austincollege.edu<mailto:tcar...@austincollege.edu>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Turner, Ryan H]

I agree.   There are times when a big controller code upgrade is consuming 
(like going to 8.x with Aruba), but it is normally configuration tweaks you 
would likely do regardless of if the controllers are on-prem or cloud.  We have 
nearly 10,000 APs.

Ryan Turner
Senior Manager of Networking, ITS
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
+1 919 274 7926 Mobile
+1 919 445 0113 Office

On May 21, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Thomas Carter 
<tcar...@austincollege.edu<mailto:tcar...@austincollege.edu>> wrote:


But in the specific case of cloud vs on-prem wireless, what is the case to save 
1 FTE? I would contend the vast majority of day-to-day work in wireless isn't 
affected by the location of the controller.

Thomas Carter​




From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Jeffrey D. Sessler 
<j...@scrippscollege.edu<mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 12:30 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

One of the difficulties in comparing TCO is around staffing. Both estimating 
how much time staff really spend on the current solution, but also taking into 
account base salary with benefits. At many colleges, benefits can add another 
30%+ to the cost of a person. As such, the elimination (or reallocation) of one 
FTE has a huge impact on on-premise vs cloud comparisons. That single FTE could 
be $100K (salary + benefits) per year, saving (or reallocating) $700K over 
those 7 years.

In a lot of our cloud shift, those FTE’s have been re-allocated into more 
important roles such as security.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
<tcar...@austincollege.edu<mailto:tcar...@austincollege.edu>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Friday, May 18, 2018 at 8:43 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

For cloud to really take over, the costs need to drop. We just went through a 
similar thing and are of a similar size (~300 APs), and the cloud on-going OpEx 
costs dropped them out of the race. The simplicity of costs budgeting is nice, 
but 7 year TCO is no contest.

Where they currently seem to be the best option is in the >25 to <100 AP market 
(<25 easily fits into Aruba Instant, Ruckus Unleashed, etc) or the small 
business vendor-managed market.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu<http://www.austincollege.edu/>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 10:07 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Chuck has the right idea here. Our respective college strategic missions don’t 
mention running servers or wireless controllers as strategic to the mission of 
the college. Cloud/SaaS solutions free up folks from the mundane tasks, 
allowing them to focus on those higher-up technology layers that can benefit 
the strategic mission. I think it’s easy today to see the benefits of moving 
on-premise email systems to GAFE or O365, but that comfort level isn’t there 
yet with some other systems such a Wireless.

From a support standpoint, a vendor like Meraki has global visibility of how 
their product is operating, meaning they can correlate/see/react to issues 
faster including patching. For the controller-based solutions, there is the 
isolation factor, capability of the customer to gather support info, and the 
vendor not knowing if other customers are having the issue.

I suspect both options will be with us for years to come, but as more and more 
of our respective data centers move to the cloud, I predict the wireless cloud 
services will become more popular.

Jeff
From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of "Enfield III, Charles Albert" 
<cae...@psu.edu<mailto:cae...@psu.edu>>
R

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Thomas Carter]

But in the specific case of cloud vs on-prem wireless, what is the case to save 
1 FTE? I would contend the vast majority of day-to-day work in wireless isn't 
affected by the location of the controller.

Thomas Carter​




From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Jeffrey D. Sessler 
<j...@scrippscollege.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 12:30 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

One of the difficulties in comparing TCO is around staffing. Both estimating 
how much time staff really spend on the current solution, but also taking into 
account base salary with benefits. At many colleges, benefits can add another 
30%+ to the cost of a person. As such, the elimination (or reallocation) of one 
FTE has a huge impact on on-premise vs cloud comparisons. That single FTE could 
be $100K (salary + benefits) per year, saving (or reallocating) $700K over 
those 7 years.

In a lot of our cloud shift, those FTE’s have been re-allocated into more 
important roles such as security.

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter <tcar...@austincollege.edu>
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Friday, May 18, 2018 at 8:43 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

For cloud to really take over, the costs need to drop. We just went through a 
similar thing and are of a similar size (~300 APs), and the cloud on-going OpEx 
costs dropped them out of the race. The simplicity of costs budgeting is nice, 
but 7 year TCO is no contest.

Where they currently seem to be the best option is in the >25 to <100 AP market 
(<25 easily fits into Aruba Instant, Ruckus Unleashed, etc) or the small 
business vendor-managed market.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu<http://www.austincollege.edu/>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 10:07 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Chuck has the right idea here. Our respective college strategic missions don’t 
mention running servers or wireless controllers as strategic to the mission of 
the college. Cloud/SaaS solutions free up folks from the mundane tasks, 
allowing them to focus on those higher-up technology layers that can benefit 
the strategic mission. I think it’s easy today to see the benefits of moving 
on-premise email systems to GAFE or O365, but that comfort level isn’t there 
yet with some other systems such a Wireless.

From a support standpoint, a vendor like Meraki has global visibility of how 
their product is operating, meaning they can correlate/see/react to issues 
faster including patching. For the controller-based solutions, there is the 
isolation factor, capability of the customer to gather support info, and the 
vendor not knowing if other customers are having the issue.

I suspect both options will be with us for years to come, but as more and more 
of our respective data centers move to the cloud, I predict the wireless cloud 
services will become more popular.

Jeff
From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of "Enfield III, Charles Albert" 
<cae...@psu.edu<mailto:cae...@psu.edu>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 1:38 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

I don’t want to put words in John’s mouth, but operating controllers requires 
time and effort beyond what’s required to manage configurations.  Scaling, 
security, software upgrades, etc., all require resources but contribute nothing 
to the user experience.  For us the benefits of hosting our own controllers is 
worth it, but I understand that isn’t true for everybody.  I’m not even sure it 
will always be true for us.  When the benefits of controllers as traffic 
aggregators can be easily replaced with SD fabrics, I’ll probably want cloud 
controllers too.  The details will matter, but it’s where I think we’re 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Rand Hall]

Long-time cloud controller Meraki site, we've moved versions back and forth
avoiding unstable versions. It used to be a bit of hassle involving
support, but is now controlled at the customer end.

Rand

Rand P. Hall
Director, Network Services askIT!
Merrimack College
978-837-3532
rand.h...@merrimack.edu

If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 55 minutes defining the
problem and five minutes finding solutions. – Einstein


On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 8:33 AM Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations) <
bosbo...@liberty.edu> wrote:

> With a cloud solution, if they mess up feature addition you are stuck with
> that latest version, correct? With controller-based ot Aruba Instant type
> scenarios you are in charge of when to upgrade, waiting for stable builds.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Osborne*
>
> *Senior Network Engineer*
>
> *Network Operations - Wireless*
>
>  *(434) 592-4229*
>
> *LIBERTY UNIVERSITY*
>
> *Training Champions for Christ since 1971*
>
>
>
> *From:* Enfield III, Charles Albert [mailto:cae...@psu.edu]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 18, 2018 2:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Wireless Options
>
>
>
> The other thing that’s going to change is the functionality.  Jeff was on
> the right track when he talked about vendors with a global presence being
> better able to identify bugs, security flaws etc. and promptly diagnose and
> patch them.  They’re also better positioned to apply machine learning and
> AI to the problems of network security and Wi-Fi optimization.  *If
> they’re doing things right*, the cloud product won’t be a hamstrung
> version of the controller product.  It will be a better version of the
> controller product.
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey D. Sessler
> *Sent:* Friday, May 18, 2018 1:30 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>
>
>
> One of the difficulties in comparing TCO is around staffing. Both
> estimating how much time staff really spend on the current solution, but
> also taking into account base salary with benefits. At many colleges,
> benefits can add another 30%+ to the cost of a person. As such, the
> elimination (or reallocation) of one FTE has a huge impact on on-premise vs
> cloud comparisons. That single FTE could be $100K (salary + benefits) per
> year, saving (or reallocating) $700K over those 7 years.
>
>
>
> In a lot of our cloud shift, those FTE’s have been re-allocated into more
> important roles such as security.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Thomas Carter <
> tcar...@austincollege.edu>
> *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Friday, May 18, 2018 at 8:43 AM
> *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>
>
>
> For cloud to really take over, the costs need to drop. We just went
> through a similar thing and are of a similar size (~300 APs), and the cloud
> on-going OpEx costs dropped them out of the race. The simplicity of costs
> budgeting is nice, but 7 year TCO is no contest.
>
>
>
> Where they currently seem to be the best option is in the >25 to <100 AP
> market (<25 easily fits into Aruba Instant, Ruckus Unleashed, etc) or the
> small business vendor-managed market.
>
>
>
> *Thomas Carter*
> Network & Operations Manager / IT
>
> *Austin College*
> 900 North Grand Avenue
> Sherman, TX 75090
>
> Phone: 903-813-2564
> www.austincollege.edu
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.austincollege.edu%2F=02%7C01%7Ccae104%40psu.edu%7C7351014b86a34c8b33d008d5bce50905%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C636622614260515249=36TY%2FCbvPgwNG8lna1R4V%2Fz4To1CkQcj10C1N2kO2SQ%3D=0>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey D. Sessler
> *Sent:* Friday, May 18, 2018 10:07 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>
>
>
> Chuck has the right idea here. Our respective college strategic missions
> don’t mention running servers or wireless controllers as strategic to the
> mission of the college. Cloud/SaaS solutions free up folks from the mundane
> tasks, allowing them to focus on those higher-up technology layers that can
> benefit the strategic mission. I think 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Enfield III, Charles Albert]

The other thing that’s going to change is the functionality.  Jeff was on the 
right track when he talked about vendors with a global presence being better 
able to identify bugs, security flaws etc. and promptly diagnose and patch 
them.  They’re also better positioned to apply machine learning and AI to the 
problems of network security and Wi-Fi optimization.  If they’re doing things 
right, the cloud product won’t be a hamstrung version of the controller 
product.  It will be a better version of the controller product.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 1:30 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

One of the difficulties in comparing TCO is around staffing. Both estimating 
how much time staff really spend on the current solution, but also taking into 
account base salary with benefits. At many colleges, benefits can add another 
30%+ to the cost of a person. As such, the elimination (or reallocation) of one 
FTE has a huge impact on on-premise vs cloud comparisons. That single FTE could 
be $100K (salary + benefits) per year, saving (or reallocating) $700K over 
those 7 years.

In a lot of our cloud shift, those FTE’s have been re-allocated into more 
important roles such as security.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
<tcar...@austincollege.edu<mailto:tcar...@austincollege.edu>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Friday, May 18, 2018 at 8:43 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

For cloud to really take over, the costs need to drop. We just went through a 
similar thing and are of a similar size (~300 APs), and the cloud on-going OpEx 
costs dropped them out of the race. The simplicity of costs budgeting is nice, 
but 7 year TCO is no contest.

Where they currently seem to be the best option is in the >25 to <100 AP market 
(<25 easily fits into Aruba Instant, Ruckus Unleashed, etc) or the small 
business vendor-managed market.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.austincollege.edu%2F=02%7C01%7Ccae104%40psu.edu%7C7351014b86a34c8b33d008d5bce50905%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C636622614260515249=36TY%2FCbvPgwNG8lna1R4V%2Fz4To1CkQcj10C1N2kO2SQ%3D=0>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 10:07 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Chuck has the right idea here. Our respective college strategic missions don’t 
mention running servers or wireless controllers as strategic to the mission of 
the college. Cloud/SaaS solutions free up folks from the mundane tasks, 
allowing them to focus on those higher-up technology layers that can benefit 
the strategic mission. I think it’s easy today to see the benefits of moving 
on-premise email systems to GAFE or O365, but that comfort level isn’t there 
yet with some other systems such a Wireless.

From a support standpoint, a vendor like Meraki has global visibility of how 
their product is operating, meaning they can correlate/see/react to issues 
faster including patching. For the controller-based solutions, there is the 
isolation factor, capability of the customer to gather support info, and the 
vendor not knowing if other customers are having the issue.

I suspect both options will be with us for years to come, but as more and more 
of our respective data centers move to the cloud, I predict the wireless cloud 
services will become more popular.

Jeff
From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of "Enfield III, Charles Albert" 
<cae...@psu.edu<mailto:cae...@psu.edu>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUS

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

One of the difficulties in comparing TCO is around staffing. Both estimating 
how much time staff really spend on the current solution, but also taking into 
account base salary with benefits. At many colleges, benefits can add another 
30%+ to the cost of a person. As such, the elimination (or reallocation) of one 
FTE has a huge impact on on-premise vs cloud comparisons. That single FTE could 
be $100K (salary + benefits) per year, saving (or reallocating) $700K over 
those 7 years.

In a lot of our cloud shift, those FTE’s have been re-allocated into more 
important roles such as security.

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter <tcar...@austincollege.edu>
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Friday, May 18, 2018 at 8:43 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

For cloud to really take over, the costs need to drop. We just went through a 
similar thing and are of a similar size (~300 APs), and the cloud on-going OpEx 
costs dropped them out of the race. The simplicity of costs budgeting is nice, 
but 7 year TCO is no contest.

Where they currently seem to be the best option is in the >25 to <100 AP market 
(<25 easily fits into Aruba Instant, Ruckus Unleashed, etc) or the small 
business vendor-managed market.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu<http://www.austincollege.edu/>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 10:07 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Chuck has the right idea here. Our respective college strategic missions don’t 
mention running servers or wireless controllers as strategic to the mission of 
the college. Cloud/SaaS solutions free up folks from the mundane tasks, 
allowing them to focus on those higher-up technology layers that can benefit 
the strategic mission. I think it’s easy today to see the benefits of moving 
on-premise email systems to GAFE or O365, but that comfort level isn’t there 
yet with some other systems such a Wireless.

From a support standpoint, a vendor like Meraki has global visibility of how 
their product is operating, meaning they can correlate/see/react to issues 
faster including patching. For the controller-based solutions, there is the 
isolation factor, capability of the customer to gather support info, and the 
vendor not knowing if other customers are having the issue.

I suspect both options will be with us for years to come, but as more and more 
of our respective data centers move to the cloud, I predict the wireless cloud 
services will become more popular.

Jeff
From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of "Enfield III, Charles Albert" 
<cae...@psu.edu<mailto:cae...@psu.edu>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 1:38 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

I don’t want to put words in John’s mouth, but operating controllers requires 
time and effort beyond what’s required to manage configurations.  Scaling, 
security, software upgrades, etc., all require resources but contribute nothing 
to the user experience.  For us the benefits of hosting our own controllers is 
worth it, but I understand that isn’t true for everybody.  I’m not even sure it 
will always be true for us.  When the benefits of controllers as traffic 
aggregators can be easily replaced with SD fabrics, I’ll probably want cloud 
controllers too.  The details will matter, but it’s where I think we’re going.

Chuck Enfield
Manager, Wireless Engineering
Enterprise Networking & Communication Services
The Pennsylvania State University
119L, USB2, UP, PA 16802
ph: 814.863.8715
fx: 814.865.3988

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:30 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Op

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Thomas Carter]

For cloud to really take over, the costs need to drop. We just went through a 
similar thing and are of a similar size (~300 APs), and the cloud on-going OpEx 
costs dropped them out of the race. The simplicity of costs budgeting is nice, 
but 7 year TCO is no contest.

Where they currently seem to be the best option is in the >25 to <100 AP market 
(<25 easily fits into Aruba Instant, Ruckus Unleashed, etc) or the small 
business vendor-managed market.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu<http://www.austincollege.edu/>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 10:07 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Chuck has the right idea here. Our respective college strategic missions don’t 
mention running servers or wireless controllers as strategic to the mission of 
the college. Cloud/SaaS solutions free up folks from the mundane tasks, 
allowing them to focus on those higher-up technology layers that can benefit 
the strategic mission. I think it’s easy today to see the benefits of moving 
on-premise email systems to GAFE or O365, but that comfort level isn’t there 
yet with some other systems such a Wireless.

From a support standpoint, a vendor like Meraki has global visibility of how 
their product is operating, meaning they can correlate/see/react to issues 
faster including patching. For the controller-based solutions, there is the 
isolation factor, capability of the customer to gather support info, and the 
vendor not knowing if other customers are having the issue.

I suspect both options will be with us for years to come, but as more and more 
of our respective data centers move to the cloud, I predict the wireless cloud 
services will become more popular.

Jeff
From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of "Enfield III, Charles Albert" 
<cae...@psu.edu<mailto:cae...@psu.edu>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 1:38 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

I don’t want to put words in John’s mouth, but operating controllers requires 
time and effort beyond what’s required to manage configurations.  Scaling, 
security, software upgrades, etc., all require resources but contribute nothing 
to the user experience.  For us the benefits of hosting our own controllers is 
worth it, but I understand that isn’t true for everybody.  I’m not even sure it 
will always be true for us.  When the benefits of controllers as traffic 
aggregators can be easily replaced with SD fabrics, I’ll probably want cloud 
controllers too.  The details will matter, but it’s where I think we’re going.

Chuck Enfield
Manager, Wireless Engineering
Enterprise Networking & Communication Services
The Pennsylvania State University
119L, USB2, UP, PA 16802
ph: 814.863.8715
fx: 814.865.3988

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:30 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Same here. I was also curious as to why it would be limited to cloud based 
solutions. I would drill down a layer into the perceived benefits of cloud 
based, and define it that way. Easier management requiring less staff time and 
thus lower TCO and more ability to accomplish other activities? Etc. Maybe.

One of the disadvantages of cloud based solutions besides losing some control 
and visibility is the ongoing costs. We love Meraki as much as anyone, but the 
annual recurring licensing costs are rather steep and should be carefully 
weighed against the benefits.

Pete Morrissey

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jake Snyder
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:26 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

I’m curious about the requirement that controllers be “cloud based” and what 
business requirement that maps to.

Trying to understand wh

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Rogers, Michael J.]

We are a similar size and are at the tail end of the same project.  We replaced 
Meraki with Ubiquiti.

Meraki served us well the past five years and I have no complaints.  However, 
we had a need to massively expand our deployment to really do it right.   We 
will almost triple the number of AP’s on campus when this is finished.

We have had a very positive experience with Ubiquiti gear.  The hardware has 
been great and everywhere I put them the wireless support calls have gone away. 
It does vlans and 802.1x auth.

This is a positive and a negative – there are no sales account people to deal 
with.  The positive side is we can just go online and order equipment.  
Throughout this project we ordered gear as needed.  The negative side is that 
there are no account people to ask questions or be your advocate if you are 
having a problem.

The controller has been a little unreliable.  The AP’s will run fine when this 
happens but the guest auth page and the management page become unavailable.  
This would be less of a problem if the guest portal is hosted somewhere else 
like the firewall.  We have worked with support on this and I am hoping their 
latest suggestions will solve it.

Support- There is no number to call unless you buy their “Elite” services.  
Otherwise you can open a ticket online or post on the forums.  The forums are 
very active and there is a big UBNT presence there helping out.

Inventory- they seem to have some problems keeping gear in stock.

No PPSK- a bunch of us from schools have requested this feature but it hasn’t 
shown up yet.

Cloud controller-they have an offering but I don’t know much about it.  Their 
controller is a Java app with a MongoDB.  It’s relatively simple to spin up and 
move around.  A lot of people host it on a VM on AWS or Azure, etc..  We host 
it on a VM locally.

POE- not much of a problem but in the few places where we didn’t have enough 
POE we added Ubiquiti switches just for the AP’s.

You do need to have a good grasp on WiFi fundamentals (channels, power levels, 
rssi levels, #clients per ap, etc…) to do this right.  The automatic tuning is 
less then ideal.

For us the positives outweighed the negatives and we would do it again.  Our 
“customers” are getting really great wireless service now.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of John Rodkey
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:10 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per day, 
currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing a number 
that are 9 years old and no longer supported.

We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to 
consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that the 
controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients, understand 
VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of configuration, 
logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing both with clients 
and access points. Responsive support is also required, and unsurprisingly  
total system cost is a significant issue.

3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.

Questions:
 1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
 2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
 3) what are your negative experiences?
 4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were your 
conclusions?
 5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with these 
devices?

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

Chuck has the right idea here. Our respective college strategic missions don’t 
mention running servers or wireless controllers as strategic to the mission of 
the college. Cloud/SaaS solutions free up folks from the mundane tasks, 
allowing them to focus on those higher-up technology layers that can benefit 
the strategic mission. I think it’s easy today to see the benefits of moving 
on-premise email systems to GAFE or O365, but that comfort level isn’t there 
yet with some other systems such a Wireless.

From a support standpoint, a vendor like Meraki has global visibility of how 
their product is operating, meaning they can correlate/see/react to issues 
faster including patching. For the controller-based solutions, there is the 
isolation factor, capability of the customer to gather support info, and the 
vendor not knowing if other customers are having the issue.

I suspect both options will be with us for years to come, but as more and more 
of our respective data centers move to the cloud, I predict the wireless cloud 
services will become more popular.

Jeff
From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of "Enfield III, Charles Albert" <cae...@psu.edu>
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 1:38 PM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

I don’t want to put words in John’s mouth, but operating controllers requires 
time and effort beyond what’s required to manage configurations.  Scaling, 
security, software upgrades, etc., all require resources but contribute nothing 
to the user experience.  For us the benefits of hosting our own controllers is 
worth it, but I understand that isn’t true for everybody.  I’m not even sure it 
will always be true for us.  When the benefits of controllers as traffic 
aggregators can be easily replaced with SD fabrics, I’ll probably want cloud 
controllers too.  The details will matter, but it’s where I think we’re going.

Chuck Enfield
Manager, Wireless Engineering
Enterprise Networking & Communication Services
The Pennsylvania State University
119L, USB2, UP, PA 16802
ph: 814.863.8715
fx: 814.865.3988

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:30 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Same here. I was also curious as to why it would be limited to cloud based 
solutions. I would drill down a layer into the perceived benefits of cloud 
based, and define it that way. Easier management requiring less staff time and 
thus lower TCO and more ability to accomplish other activities? Etc. Maybe.

One of the disadvantages of cloud based solutions besides losing some control 
and visibility is the ongoing costs. We love Meraki as much as anyone, but the 
annual recurring licensing costs are rather steep and should be carefully 
weighed against the benefits.

Pete Morrissey

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jake Snyder
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:26 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

I’m curious about the requirement that controllers be “cloud based” and what 
business requirement that maps to.

Trying to understand what a cloud based controller give your business that an 
on-premises controller does not.  How that translates to better experience, 
happier students or faster connectivity.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 17, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Norton, Thomas (Network Operations) 
<tnort...@liberty.edu<mailto:tnort...@liberty.edu>> wrote:
I  highly recommend looking at Aruba as well.

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On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:10 PM John Rodkey 
<rod...@westmont.edu<mailto:rod...@westmont.edu>> wrote:
Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Brian J David]

Go with ArubaLook at the latest Gartner report.

BD


On 5/17/18 2:10 PM, John Rodkey wrote:
Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients 
per day, currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, 
replacing a number that are 9 years old and no longer supported.


We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but 
want to consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard 
requirement that the controller be cloud-based, the system deal well 
with Mac clients, understand VLANs and an enterprise quality network, 
and have a rich set of configuration, logging, monitoring, and 
troubleshooting tools for dealing both with clients and access points. 
Responsive support is also required, and unsurprisingly  total system 
cost is a significant issue.


3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.

Questions:
 1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
 2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
 3) what are your negative experiences?
 4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were 
your conclusions?
 5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements 
with these devices?


John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Sullivan, David]

I’ve just moved from somewhere that was using Aerohive (~150 AP230s) and we 
were happy with it. Roaming and throughput were very solid, troubleshooting is 
excellent.
We were doing 802.1x auth breaking out the VLANs locally on the switches but 
you can spin up a local VM if you have networks that you want to tunnel back to 
a central location for guest access or the like (we were considering plans for 
this as I was leaving). We didn’t make much use of the PPSK but it is a really 
nice feature that I note that Aruba now seems to be adding too.
The APs will fully work if they don’t have a connection to the controller, you 
just lose the ability to do any configuration and monitoring, authentication 
just plods along as normal and the APs coordinate with each other for handoffs 
and roaming.
Never had any issues with PoE capacity.

Aerohive were very flexible about numbers of APs when renewing support.

The only slight criticism I’ll have moving from the metal brackets that came 
with our previous Cisco APs is the mounting brackets are a bit plasticy on the 
Aerohives and a little bit more fiddly.

In a similar vein to Meraki Aerohive will give you a free AP to trial which is 
worthwhile if you’ve not.

David.


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<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Chris Adams (IT)
Sent: 17 May 2018 19:22
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

We use Aerohive, we are approaching ~1,900 WAPs across 5 campuses.

2) Our experience with the product has overall been good, we’ve seen good 
hardware options available and have seen continuous improvement in the 
management system. The newer system fixes many of our issues with the legacy 
classic management system such as log retention periods. PPSK has worked very 
well in our dorms and for IOT devices that don’t play well with dot1x. We love 
the AP250 with the first radio being SDR, having 2x 5ghz radios on the same WAP 
has been very beneficial to us.
3) Aerohive has somewhat recently fixed my 2 biggest areas of grief: they now 
offer a wall plate hospitality WAP which has made some of our dorms much more 
tenable to upgrade. Additionally, log retention for reporting is improved with 
NG, we used to only get 3-5 days within hivemanager itself.
5) No fault of Aerohive, but on some 802.3af WAPs, our switches (Aruba/HPE) 
were allocating the max wattage rather than actual or requested wattage which 
caused some challenges with power budgeting. This has been circumvented with an 
obscure CLI command.

Cloud-style management rather than controller has been a big key. We ended up 
adding 4 additional campuses to our original deployment without having to be 
concerned about rolling extra controller hardware or failover licensing. Only 
the cost of the WAP hardware and it’s support. We run all of our WAPs on a 
on-premise VM but since it isn’t required for their operation, we have been 
able to do mid-day fixes and upgrades without disrupting connectivity.

Thanks,

Chris Adams, CISSP

Assistant CIO, Network & Telecom
Division of Information Technology
University of North Georgia

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On Behalf Of John Rodkey
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:10 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per day, 
currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing a number 
that are 9 years old and no longer supported.

We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to 
consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that the 
controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients, understand 
VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of configuration, 
logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing both with clients 
and access points. Responsive support is also required, and unsurprisingly  
total system cost is a significant issue.

3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.

Questions:
 1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
 2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
 3) what are your negative experiences?
 4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were your 
conclusions?
 5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with these 
devices?

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Martin MacLeod-Brown]

Another request that you look at Aruba, you can go down cloud based controller 
route with them, or you can mesh up to 64 AP’s into their own virtual 
controller if you wanted to organise by areas and the numbers worked for you.
Their AP’s are good, I have never had any trouble with their support, they are 
good as gold, we have been running Aruba for over 10 years now and recommend 
them highly

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Rodkey
Sent: 17 May 2018 19:10
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per day, 
currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing a number 
that are 9 years old and no longer supported.

We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to 
consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that the 
controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients, understand 
VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of configuration, 
logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing both with clients 
and access points. Responsive support is also required, and unsurprisingly  
total system cost is a significant issue.

3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.

Questions:
 1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
 2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
 3) what are your negative experiences?
 4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were your 
conclusions?
 5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with these 
devices?

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Greg Briggs]

Extreme has APs that can be cloud or controller based.  (and transferred
back and forth) I participated in the pilot for the cloud based offering
and it worked well.  We were considering that for a satellite location and
would have used it when our Meraki AP license lapsed, but that building is
currently unoccupied.We currently use controllers (physical and
virtual) and are happy with that.  The controllers are not difficult to
setup and provide a lot in the way of features and management.  The
management cost difference between the two offerings wouldn't sway me
personally to go cloud based.  I highly recommend at least considering the
controller route.  Cloud based could be the right option for you, but it
might be a mistake to consider it a hard requirement.  The good news is
that with Extreme, if you start cloud based and change your mind, you can
with the same APs.  You can ask sales for a a trial of the virtual
controller.  Support is great, and it was great when we were using the
cloud firmware also.  Our favorite AP is the 3912i because it works very
well in residence halls, which had been our biggest headache previously.

Greg Briggs
Network Manager
Pacific Lutheran University

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, John Rodkey <rod...@westmont.edu> wrote:

> Those are good words to put in my mouth.  In addition to these operational
> benefits, there is a strong philosophical commitment at the C-level to
> cloud-based services whenever it is feasible, so we don't go with on-prem
> unless there is no feasible way to do it with cloud.
>
> I am very appreciative of the comments so far.  Thank you all for your
> input!
>
> I will say we are currently Meraki, have been Meraki since their very
> early days.  We are generally pleased with Meraki's controller
> capabilities, and not terribly excited to go to something else, but since
> this is a large investment and new game-changing players have come on the
> scene since 2008, it is a matter of due diligence to look at the options.
> Pricing is a real factor, and we have had some issues with support since
> the transfer to Cisco.  We have also had enough 'weird' problems with
> multiple clients being unable to maintain a reliable connection that we are
> looking at the possibility of global change (to get a whole new set of
> bugs, no doubt) in hopes of removing these problems.
>
> John
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Enfield III, Charles Albert <
> cae...@psu.edu> wrote:
>
>> I don’t want to put words in John’s mouth, but operating controllers
>> requires time and effort beyond what’s required to manage configurations.
>> Scaling, security, software upgrades, etc., all require resources but
>> contribute nothing to the user experience.  For us the benefits of hosting
>> our own controllers is worth it, but I understand that isn’t true for
>> everybody.  I’m not even sure it will always be true for us.  When the
>> benefits of controllers as traffic aggregators can be easily replaced with
>> SD fabrics, I’ll probably want cloud controllers too.  The details will
>> matter, but it’s where I think we’re going.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck Enfield
>> Manager, Wireless Engineering
>> Enterprise Networking & Communication Services
>> The Pennsylvania State University
>> 119L, USB2, UP, PA 16802
>> ph: 814.863.8715
>> fx: 814.865.3988
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Peter P Morrissey
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:30 PM
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>>
>>
>>
>> Same here. I was also curious as to why it would be limited to cloud
>> based solutions. I would drill down a layer into the perceived benefits of
>> cloud based, and define it that way. Easier management requiring less staff
>> time and thus lower TCO and more ability to accomplish other activities?
>> Etc. Maybe.
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the disadvantages of cloud based solutions besides losing some
>> control and visibility is the ongoing costs. We love Meraki as much as
>> anyone, but the annual recurring licensing costs are rather steep and
>> should be carefully weighed against the benefits.
>>
>>
>>
>> Pete Morrissey
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Jake Snyder
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:26 PM
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>>
>>
>>

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[John Rodkey]

Those are good words to put in my mouth.  In addition to these operational
benefits, there is a strong philosophical commitment at the C-level to
cloud-based services whenever it is feasible, so we don't go with on-prem
unless there is no feasible way to do it with cloud.

I am very appreciative of the comments so far.  Thank you all for your
input!

I will say we are currently Meraki, have been Meraki since their very early
days.  We are generally pleased with Meraki's controller capabilities, and
not terribly excited to go to something else, but since this is a large
investment and new game-changing players have come on the scene since 2008,
it is a matter of due diligence to look at the options.  Pricing is a real
factor, and we have had some issues with support since the transfer to
Cisco.  We have also had enough 'weird' problems with multiple clients
being unable to maintain a reliable connection that we are looking at the
possibility of global change (to get a whole new set of bugs, no doubt) in
hopes of removing these problems.

John

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Enfield III, Charles Albert <cae...@psu.edu
> wrote:

> I don’t want to put words in John’s mouth, but operating controllers
> requires time and effort beyond what’s required to manage configurations.
> Scaling, security, software upgrades, etc., all require resources but
> contribute nothing to the user experience.  For us the benefits of hosting
> our own controllers is worth it, but I understand that isn’t true for
> everybody.  I’m not even sure it will always be true for us.  When the
> benefits of controllers as traffic aggregators can be easily replaced with
> SD fabrics, I’ll probably want cloud controllers too.  The details will
> matter, but it’s where I think we’re going.
>
>
>
> Chuck Enfield
> Manager, Wireless Engineering
> Enterprise Networking & Communication Services
> The Pennsylvania State University
> 119L, USB2, UP, PA 16802
> ph: 814.863.8715
> fx: 814.865.3988
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Peter P Morrissey
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:30 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>
>
>
> Same here. I was also curious as to why it would be limited to cloud based
> solutions. I would drill down a layer into the perceived benefits of cloud
> based, and define it that way. Easier management requiring less staff time
> and thus lower TCO and more ability to accomplish other activities? Etc.
> Maybe.
>
>
>
> One of the disadvantages of cloud based solutions besides losing some
> control and visibility is the ongoing costs. We love Meraki as much as
> anyone, but the annual recurring licensing costs are rather steep and
> should be carefully weighed against the benefits.
>
>
>
> Pete Morrissey
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Jake Snyder
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:26 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>
>
>
> I’m curious about the requirement that controllers be “cloud based” and
> what business requirement that maps to.
>
>
>
> Trying to understand what a cloud based controller give your business that
> an on-premises controller does not.  How that translates to better
> experience, happier students or faster connectivity.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 17, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Norton, Thomas (Network Operations) <
> tnort...@liberty.edu> wrote:
>
> I  highly recommend looking at Aruba as well.
>
>
>
> *T.J. Norton*
>
> *Wireless Network Architect*
> *Network Operations*
>
> *Office: (434) 592-6552 *
>
>
>
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> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Enfield III, Charles Albert]

I don’t want to put words in John’s mouth, but operating controllers requires 
time and effort beyond what’s required to manage configurations.  Scaling, 
security, software upgrades, etc., all require resources but contribute nothing 
to the user experience.  For us the benefits of hosting our own controllers is 
worth it, but I understand that isn’t true for everybody.  I’m not even sure it 
will always be true for us.  When the benefits of controllers as traffic 
aggregators can be easily replaced with SD fabrics, I’ll probably want cloud 
controllers too.  The details will matter, but it’s where I think we’re going.

Chuck Enfield
Manager, Wireless Engineering
Enterprise Networking & Communication Services
The Pennsylvania State University
119L, USB2, UP, PA 16802
ph: 814.863.8715
fx: 814.865.3988

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<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:30 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Same here. I was also curious as to why it would be limited to cloud based 
solutions. I would drill down a layer into the perceived benefits of cloud 
based, and define it that way. Easier management requiring less staff time and 
thus lower TCO and more ability to accomplish other activities? Etc. Maybe.

One of the disadvantages of cloud based solutions besides losing some control 
and visibility is the ongoing costs. We love Meraki as much as anyone, but the 
annual recurring licensing costs are rather steep and should be carefully 
weighed against the benefits.

Pete Morrissey

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jake Snyder
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:26 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

I’m curious about the requirement that controllers be “cloud based” and what 
business requirement that maps to.

Trying to understand what a cloud based controller give your business that an 
on-premises controller does not.  How that translates to better experience, 
happier students or faster connectivity.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 17, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Norton, Thomas (Network Operations) 
<tnort...@liberty.edu<mailto:tnort...@liberty.edu>> wrote:
I  highly recommend looking at Aruba as well.

T.J. Norton
Wireless Network Architect
Network Operations

Office: (434) 592-6552

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On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:10 PM John Rodkey 
<rod...@westmont.edu<mailto:rod...@westmont.edu>> wrote:
Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per day, 
currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing a number 
that are 9 years old and no longer supported.

We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to 
consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that the 
controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients, understand 
VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of configuration, 
logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing both with clients 
and access points. Responsive support is also required, and unsurprisingly  
total system cost is a significant issue.

3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.

Questions:
 1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
 2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
 3) what are your negative experiences?
 4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were your 
conclusions?
 5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with these 
devices?

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Steve Hess]

Definitely include Aruba in your list.  While no solution is perfect and
all have their quirks I’ve found Aruba to be a very solid solution, well
supported, with a large user base that can be utilized to bounce ideas and
problems off of.  As with most things the VAR you choose is often just as
important as the solution itself.  A bad VAR can make a great solution fail
miserably.  Good Luck!





Steve



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Wheaton College – Massachusetts



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WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *John Rodkey
*Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:10 PM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options



Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per
day, currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing
a number that are 9 years old and no longer supported.



We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to
consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that
the controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients,
understand VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of
configuration, logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing
both with clients and access points. Responsive support is also required,
and unsurprisingly  total system cost is a significant issue.



3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.



Questions:

 1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?

 2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?

 3) what are your negative experiences?

 4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were your
conclusions?

 5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with
these devices?



John Rodkey

Director of Servers and Networks

Westmont College

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Tolka, Bryan]

Extreme networks is a vendor I would suggest.



Sent from my iPhone

On May 17, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Matt Freitag 
<mlfre...@mtu.edu<mailto:mlfre...@mtu.edu>> wrote:

Another +1 on Aruba. We've also had varying experiences with their support but 
they are mostly positive experiences. The two negative experiences I had with 
their support went about like this:

  *   AP-125's spontaneously crash and reboot due to a memory management bug 
with no workaround. This went on for months while we were already replacing our 
AP-125's anyway because those went end-of-support a while ago, but their 
engineering group took months to release a fix to us.
  *   One single CPU in our data path module in our 7240s goes to 100% and 
causes authentication timeouts, increased ping times from our network monitor 
to our APs to the point that the network monitor says they're down, and users 
experience terribly slow connectivity. We saw the issue most when people were 
changing classes and increasing the load on the controller a lot with handling 
all the associations and disassociations, and the workaround roughly equated to 
"split the load between our controllers" which just hid the issue, and then 
when that began to fail us our school year ended and we haven't seen the issue 
since. We expect to see this again in the fall if Aruba doesn't release the fix 
to us over the summer. We've had a ticket open with them since October.

Overwhelmingly positive experience I had with their support tho: all APs on our 
campus would spontaneously reboot. Turns out this was due to a very well 
malformed UDP packet reaching the controller over the GRE tunnel between 
controller and AP causing the AP management process on the controller to hang. 
Since it was hung, the process stopped responding to heartbeat requests from 
the APs, APs would think the controller is down and reboot. Fix was enable 
control plane security which enables an IPSec tunnel between the APs and 
controller and IPSec packet validation mechanisms recognized the bad packets 
causing the bug as bad packets and silently discarded them which resolved our 
issue.

Side note for all the Aruba users, I personally recommend enabling cpsec on 
your controllers just to avoid this scenario and encrypt your user traffic on 
its way to the controller. Doing this will cause all your APs to reboot to 
establish tunnels to the controllers. Double check with your SE and/or Aruba 
TAC to check if there are any caveats to doing this in your environment but 
we've got 1,400 APs and are approaching 10k active users during the school year 
and haven't had a problem.

Back to the topic at hand: overall we've found the product itself is very 
stable and works well. We also stick with the conservative release branch 
because, while that branch doesn't have all the latest features, it's got all 
the stability and we're huge fans of stability here. The APs are easy to set 
up, reasonably priced, also solidly stable, the feature set you do have with 
your chosen release works well, etc. etc.


Matt Freitag
Network Engineer
Information Technology
Michigan Technological University
(906) 487-3696<tel:%28906%29%20487-3696>
https://www.mtu.edu/
https://www.mtu.edu/it

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Pramod Bhardwaj 
<bhard...@middlesex.mass.edu<mailto:bhard...@middlesex.mass.edu>> wrote:
I recommend Aruba as well, we moved to Aruba last year from Meru and very happy 
with it and no complaints for anyone so far. We have about 260 APS on both the 
campuses

Pramod
Principal Manager of IT Infrastructure
MCC
(978) 656-3308

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On Behalf Of James Moskwa
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:22 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

You need to include Aruba in your list.

Regards,
-- Jim

Sr. Network Engineer
Information Technology Department
Johnson & Wales University
8 Abbott Park 
Place<https://maps.google.com/?q=8+Abbott+Park+Place+%0D%0A+Providence,+RI+02903+%0D%0A+Office:+401=gmail=g>
Providence, RI 
02903<https://maps.google.com/?q=8+Abbott+Park+Place+%0D%0A+Providence,+RI+02903+%0D%0A+Office:+401=gmail=g>
Office: 
401<https://maps.google.com/?q=8+Abbott+Park+Place+%0D%0A+Providence,+RI+02903+%0D%0A+Office:+401=gmail=g>-598-1556
Mobile: 401-249-0579
eFax: 401-223-4998
Email: james.mos...@jwu.edu<http://james.mos...@jwu.edu/>

Visit JWU Gateway<https://gateway.jwu.edu/> to submit a ticket, get University 
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From: EDUCAUSE Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of John Rodkey <rod...@westmont.edu<mailto:rod...@westmont.edu>>
Reply-To: EDUCAUSE Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Matt Freitag]

 Another +1 on Aruba. We've also had varying experiences with their support
but they are mostly positive experiences. The two negative experiences I
had with their support went about like this:

   - AP-125's spontaneously crash and reboot due to a memory management bug
   with no workaround. This went on for months while we were already replacing
   our AP-125's anyway because those went end-of-support a while ago, but
   their engineering group took months to release a fix to us.
   - One single CPU in our data path module in our 7240s goes to 100% and
   causes authentication timeouts, increased ping times from our network
   monitor to our APs to the point that the network monitor says they're down,
   and users experience terribly slow connectivity. We saw the issue most when
   people were changing classes and increasing the load on the controller a
   lot with handling all the associations and disassociations, and the
   workaround roughly equated to "split the load between our controllers"
   which just hid the issue, and then when that began to fail us our school
   year ended and we haven't seen the issue since. We expect to see this again
   in the fall if Aruba doesn't release the fix to us over the summer. We've
   had a ticket open with them since October.

Overwhelmingly positive experience I had with their support tho: all APs on
our campus would spontaneously reboot. Turns out this was due to a very
well malformed UDP packet reaching the controller over the GRE tunnel
between controller and AP causing the AP management process on the
controller to hang. Since it was hung, the process stopped responding to
heartbeat requests from the APs, APs would think the controller is down and
reboot. Fix was enable control plane security which enables an IPSec tunnel
between the APs and controller and IPSec packet validation mechanisms
recognized the bad packets causing the bug as bad packets and silently
discarded them which resolved our issue.

Side note for all the Aruba users, I personally recommend enabling cpsec on
your controllers just to avoid this scenario and encrypt your user traffic
on its way to the controller. Doing this will cause all your APs to reboot
to establish tunnels to the controllers. Double check with your SE and/or
Aruba TAC to check if there are any caveats to doing this in your
environment but we've got 1,400 APs and are approaching 10k active users
during the school year and haven't had a problem.

Back to the topic at hand: overall we've found the product itself is very
stable and works well. We also stick with the conservative release branch
because, while that branch doesn't have all the latest features, it's got
all the stability and we're huge fans of stability here. The APs are easy
to set up, reasonably priced, also solidly stable, the feature set you do
have with your chosen release works well, etc. etc.

Matt Freitag
Network Engineer
Information Technology
Michigan Technological University
(906) 487-3696 <%28906%29%20487-3696>
https://www.mtu.edu/
https://www.mtu.edu/it

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Pramod Bhardwaj <
bhard...@middlesex.mass.edu> wrote:

> I recommend Aruba as well, we moved to Aruba last year from Meru and very
> happy with it and no complaints for anyone so far. We have about 260 APS on
> both the campuses
>
>
>
> *Pramod *
>
> Principal Manager of IT Infrastructure
>
> MCC
>
> (978) 656-3308
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *James Moskwa
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:22 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>
>
>
> You need to include Aruba in your list.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Jim
>
>
>
> Sr. Network Engineer
>
> Information Technology Department
>
> Johnson & Wales University
>
> 8 Abbott Park Place
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=8+Abbott+Park+Place+%0D%0A+Providence,+RI+02903+%0D%0A+Office:+401=gmail=g>
>
> Providence, RI 02903
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=8+Abbott+Park+Place+%0D%0A+Providence,+RI+02903+%0D%0A+Office:+401=gmail=g>
>
> Office: 401
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=8+Abbott+Park+Place+%0D%0A+Providence,+RI+02903+%0D%0A+Office:+401=gmail=g>
> -598-1556
>
> Mobile: 401-249-0579
>
> eFax: 401-223-4998
>
> Email: james.mos...@jwu.edu
>
>
>
> *Visit **JWU Gateway <https://gateway.jwu.edu/> to submit a ticket, get
> University forms, and more!*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *EDUCAUSE Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf
> of John Rodkey <rod...@westmont.edu>
> *Reply-To: *EDUCAUSE Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 2:10 PM
> *To: *EDUCAUSE

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

We are using Meraki (cloud) as well as Cisco (controller). For the cloud 
requirement, the Meraki is really easy to setup and manage and they have both 
small as well as very large enterprise deployments. The interface it great, and 
like other cloud offering, you get out of the management of 
controllers/software updates. Meraki pretty much owns k-12, where the 
simplicity is a huge plus over the traditional on-prem controller designs. The 
cloud managed switches/security devices are also easy to manage. Support is top 
notch too.

If you are considering controller-based, my consortium currently uses both 
Aruba and Cisco, although the Aruba schools have recently made the decision to 
move to Cisco. If you’d like to hear information on both, contact me off-list. 
No need to start a “Ford vs Chevy” debate on the list.

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of John Rodkey <rod...@westmont.edu>
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per day, 
currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing a number 
that are 9 years old and no longer supported.

We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to 
consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that the 
controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients, understand 
VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of configuration, 
logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing both with clients 
and access points. Responsive support is also required, and unsurprisingly  
total system cost is a significant issue.

3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.

Questions:
 1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
 2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
 3) what are your negative experiences?
 4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were your 
conclusions?
 5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with these 
devices?

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Patrick Mauretti]

  1.  I recommend Aruba as well.
  2.  The AP’s are rock solid, reasonably priced, and easy to set up.
  3.  I have had varying experiences with support, licensing, and with upgrades 
(both good and bad).
  4.  I would ask why you have a requirement that the controller be cloud-based 
in this section.
  5.  The 300 series supports both PoE.af and .at, adjusting AP capabilities as 
needed

-Patrick

Patrick Mauretti
Sr. Network Admin
Massasoit Community College
1 Massasoit Blvd
Brockton, MA 02302
508-588-9100 x1660


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of John Rodkey
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:10 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per day, 
currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing a number 
that are 9 years old and no longer supported.

We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to 
consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that the 
controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients, understand 
VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of configuration, 
logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing both with clients 
and access points. Responsive support is also required, and unsurprisingly  
total system cost is a significant issue.

3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.

Questions:
 1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
 2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
 3) what are your negative experiences?
 4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were your 
conclusions?
 5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with these 
devices?

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Jake Snyder]

I’m curious about the requirement that controllers be “cloud based” and what 
business requirement that maps to.

Trying to understand what a cloud based controller give your business that an 
on-premises controller does not.  How that translates to better experience, 
happier students or faster connectivity. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Norton, Thomas (Network Operations) 
> <tnort...@liberty.edu> wrote:
> 
> I  highly recommend looking at Aruba as well.
>  
> T.J. Norton
> Wireless Network Architect
> Network Operations 
> 
> Office: (434) 592-6552 
>  
> 
> 
> Liberty University  |  Training Champions for Christ since 1971
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Trenton Hurt
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>  
> https://www.mist.com/
>  
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:10 PM John Rodkey <rod...@westmont.edu> wrote:
> Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per 
> day, currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing a 
> number that are 9 years old and no longer supported.
>  
> We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to 
> consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that the 
> controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients, understand 
> VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of 
> configuration, logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing 
> both with clients and access points. Responsive support is also required, and 
> unsurprisingly  total system cost is a significant issue.
>  
> 3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.
>  
> Questions:
>  1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
>  2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
>  3) what are your negative experiences?
>  4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were your 
> conclusions?
>  5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with 
> these devices?
>  
> John Rodkey
> Director of Servers and Networks
> Westmont College
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Chris Adams (IT)]

We use Aerohive, we are approaching ~1,900 WAPs across 5 campuses.

2) Our experience with the product has overall been good, we’ve seen good 
hardware options available and have seen continuous improvement in the 
management system. The newer system fixes many of our issues with the legacy 
classic management system such as log retention periods. PPSK has worked very 
well in our dorms and for IOT devices that don’t play well with dot1x. We love 
the AP250 with the first radio being SDR, having 2x 5ghz radios on the same WAP 
has been very beneficial to us.
3) Aerohive has somewhat recently fixed my 2 biggest areas of grief: they now 
offer a wall plate hospitality WAP which has made some of our dorms much more 
tenable to upgrade. Additionally, log retention for reporting is improved with 
NG, we used to only get 3-5 days within hivemanager itself.
5) No fault of Aerohive, but on some 802.3af WAPs, our switches (Aruba/HPE) 
were allocating the max wattage rather than actual or requested wattage which 
caused some challenges with power budgeting. This has been circumvented with an 
obscure CLI command.

Cloud-style management rather than controller has been a big key. We ended up 
adding 4 additional campuses to our original deployment without having to be 
concerned about rolling extra controller hardware or failover licensing. Only 
the cost of the WAP hardware and it’s support. We run all of our WAPs on a 
on-premise VM but since it isn’t required for their operation, we have been 
able to do mid-day fixes and upgrades without disrupting connectivity.

Thanks,

Chris Adams, CISSP

Assistant CIO, Network & Telecom
Division of Information Technology
University of North Georgia

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of John Rodkey
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:10 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per day, 
currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing a number 
that are 9 years old and no longer supported.

We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to 
consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that the 
controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients, understand 
VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of configuration, 
logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing both with clients 
and access points. Responsive support is also required, and unsurprisingly  
total system cost is a significant issue.

3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.

Questions:
 1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
 2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
 3) what are your negative experiences?
 4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were your 
conclusions?
 5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with these 
devices?

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[James Moskwa]

You need to include Aruba in your list.

Regards,
-- Jim

Sr. Network Engineer
Information Technology Department
Johnson & Wales University
8 Abbott Park Place
Providence, RI 02903
Office: 401-598-1556
Mobile: 401-249-0579
eFax: 401-223-4998
Email: james.mos...@jwu.edu<http://james.mos...@jwu.edu/>

Visit JWU Gateway<https://gateway.jwu.edu/> to submit a ticket, get University 
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From: EDUCAUSE Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of John 
Rodkey <rod...@westmont.edu>
Reply-To: EDUCAUSE Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 2:10 PM
To: EDUCAUSE Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per day, 
currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing a number 
that are 9 years old and no longer supported.

We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to 
consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that the 
controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients, understand 
VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of configuration, 
logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing both with clients 
and access points. Responsive support is also required, and unsurprisingly  
total system cost is a significant issue.

3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.

Questions:
 1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
 2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
 3) what are your negative experiences?
 4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were your 
conclusions?
 5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with these 
devices?

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College
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http://www.educause.edu/discuss.

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Ian Lyons]

Aruba as well.

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<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Norton, Thomas (Network 
Operations)
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:14 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

I  highly recommend looking at Aruba as well.

T.J. Norton
Wireless Network Architect
Network Operations

Office: (434) 592-6552

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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:11 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

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On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:10 PM John Rodkey 
<rod...@westmont.edu<mailto:rod...@westmont.edu>> wrote:
Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per day, 
currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing a number 
that are 9 years old and no longer supported.

We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to 
consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that the 
controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients, understand 
VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of configuration, 
logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing both with clients 
and access points. Responsive support is also required, and unsurprisingly  
total system cost is a significant issue.

3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.

Questions:
 1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
 2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
 3) what are your negative experiences?
 4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were your 
conclusions?
 5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with these 
devices?

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Norton, Thomas (Network Operations)]

I  highly recommend looking at Aruba as well.

T.J. Norton
Wireless Network Architect
Network Operations

Office: (434) 592-6552

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Trenton Hurt
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:11 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

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On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:10 PM John Rodkey 
<rod...@westmont.edu<mailto:rod...@westmont.edu>> wrote:
Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per day, 
currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing a number 
that are 9 years old and no longer supported.

We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to 
consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that the 
controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients, understand 
VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of configuration, 
logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing both with clients 
and access points. Responsive support is also required, and unsurprisingly  
total system cost is a significant issue.

3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.

Questions:
 1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
 2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
 3) what are your negative experiences?
 4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were your 
conclusions?
 5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with these 
devices?

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options

[Trenton Hurt]

https://www.mist.com/

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:10 PM John Rodkey  wrote:

> Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per
> day, currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing
> a number that are 9 years old and no longer supported.
>
> We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to
> consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that
> the controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients,
> understand VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of
> configuration, logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing
> both with clients and access points. Responsive support is also required,
> and unsurprisingly  total system cost is a significant issue.
>
> 3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.
>
> Questions:
>  1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
>  2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
>  3) what are your negative experiences?
>  4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were
> your conclusions?
>  5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with
> these devices?
>
> John Rodkey
> Director of Servers and Networks
> Westmont College
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Tristan Gulyas]

Hi,

We're using the cisco 881G-W ISR on our shuttle busses (x 5) and offer the same 
eduroam/guest access service as we do on our production network, complete with 
the ability to roam to/from a bus and onto the campus WiFi network.  The AP is 
a single-band 2.4GHz-only inbuilt lightweight AP that talks to our Cisco WLCs.

We use our local telco provider (Telstra) for 3G backhaul to the Internet and 
we use a DMVPN network for our remote sites, so the routers on the bus follow 
our standard remote site configuration.  The APs currently tunnel everything 
back to the WLC, which works fine except for when the cellular network drops 
out, causing the AP to drop its CAPWAP tunnel.

We have three routes for shuttle busses - one is approx 35 minutes, the other 
two are approx 20 minutes.

Cheers,
Tristan

> On 19 Nov 2015, at 4:56 AM, Daniel Wurst  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
> this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
> 
> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless connectivity 
> in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to sporting events. 
>  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot spot that the 
> students could log into with their devices.
> 
> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or 
> have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
> 
> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> -- 
> Daniel Wurst
> Network Engineer II
> Denison University
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Adam T Ferrero]

  We put some gear on our shuttle buses that travel between campuses a few 
years ago.  Basically a Cradlepoint router (Verizon LTE cellular backhaul with 
an ethernet hand off).  That ethernet hand off goes to a wifi access point that 
is able to do dns lookup and find its controller (happens to be Meru but I know 
Aruba does supports similar mechanisms).  Everything is tunneled back encrypted 
through the controller.

  This has served us well for those students that enjoy a 45 minute commute 
between campuses.

  Adam

[Adam T  Ferrero]

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

Hi,

This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.

Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless connectivity 
in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to sporting events.  
My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot spot that the students 
could log into with their devices.

I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or have 
any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

Thank you,

--
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer II
Denison University
Fellows 003B
wur...@denison.edu<mailto:wur...@denison.edu>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Britton Anderson]

Check with your constituents and see if there is a government contract with
the cellular providers for data services. I realize this may not help
Denison as a private institution, but there are unlimited data options that
are available for very reasonable prices that would be great for these
types of applications.



Britton Anderson  | Senior Network Communications
Specialist | University of Alaska  | 907.450.8250

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Barros, Jacob  wrote:

> We put a cell network based device in two busses this Fall and have had
> great success with it so far.  Internet access only.  I am glad to answer
> any questions you have.
>
> http://www.yoursinglepoint.com/
>
> Jake
>
>
> Jacob Barros  |  Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations
> Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Wurst  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part
>> of this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
>>
>> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless
>> connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to
>> sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot
>> spot that the students could log into with their devices.
>>
>> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this
>> or have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
>>
>> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Wurst
>> Network Engineer II
>> Denison University
>> Fellows 003B
>> wur...@denison.edu
>> 740-587-6229
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Ciesinski, Nick]

Daniel,

Several years back Cisco had a similar setup in some transportation busses for 
their Cisco Live conference to showcase some technology.  The devices would 
give wifi access to passengers over cellular when away from the conference 
center and when the bus got close it would switch over to the conference wifi 
for the backhaul.  They also had a small camera in the bus transmitting footage 
back to the demo booth.

They did this with Cisco 819 hardened routers.  Since then we have implemented 
a similar setup in our police squads.  While it works great the only concern I 
would have for a bus load of students is the speed of the cellular connection 
and carrier download caps and overage billing.

If you want to know more about what we did let me know.

Nick Ciesinski
University of Wisconsin - Whitewater

On Nov 18, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Daniel Wurst 
> wrote:

Hi,

This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.

Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless connectivity 
in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to sporting events.  
My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot spot that the students 
could log into with their devices.

I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or have 
any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

Thank you,

--
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer II
Denison University
Fellows 003B
wur...@denison.edu
740-587-6229
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Barros, Jacob]

We put a cell network based device in two busses this Fall and have had
great success with it so far.  Internet access only.  I am glad to answer
any questions you have.

http://www.yoursinglepoint.com/

Jake


Jacob Barros  |  Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations
Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Wurst  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part
> of this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
>
> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless
> connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to
> sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot
> spot that the students could log into with their devices.
>
> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or
> have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
>
> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Daniel Wurst
> Network Engineer II
> Denison University
> Fellows 003B
> wur...@denison.edu
> 740-587-6229
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Turner, Ryan H]

We didn’t deploy this on the athletic buses, but we did do something similar 
for a traveling science bus.  Rather than build the service into the bus, we 
built a portable suitcase (a pelican like case).  On the exterior we mounted a 
dual (diversity) enclosed antenna array complete with a GPS atenna.  That 
attached to a sierra wireless bridge inside of the unit.  Attached to the 
sierra wireless bridge was an Aruba Remote access point.  This was all powered 
through a 120V to 12V power supply.

We have been approached by another school to do something similar for a bus 
that will be used to evaluate rural patients.

I do have to ask the potentials customers if this expensive setup is really 
worth it.  They can use a MiFi and it work just fine.

The pros with our custom setup is:

1)  Higher performance through specialized antennas

2)  Seamless integration with the campus through the remote access point 
(no VPN connections required)

The cons are cost.  The unit I build runs around $2000.

Ryan H Turner
Senior Network Engineer
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599
+1 919 445 0113 Office
+1 919 274 7926 Mobile

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Barros, Jacob
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:49 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

We put a cell network based device in two busses this Fall and have had great 
success with it so far.  Internet access only.  I am glad to answer any 
questions you have.

http://www.yoursinglepoint.com/

Jake


Jacob Barros  |  Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations
Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Wurst 
<wur...@denison.edu<mailto:wur...@denison.edu>> wrote:
Hi,

This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.

Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless connectivity 
in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to sporting events.  
My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot spot that the students 
could log into with their devices.

I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or have 
any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

Thank you,

--
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer II
Denison University
Fellows 003B
wur...@denison.edu<mailto:wur...@denison.edu>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Jeremy Gibbs]

I know people may snicker at this but take a look at the offerings from
Aerohive for this.  I demoed a solution that was VERY slick.  I think it
would work very well for you.




*--Jeremy L. Gibbs*
Sr. Network Engineer
Utica College IITS

T: (315) 223-2383
F: (315) 792-3814
E: jlgi...@utica.edu
http://www.utica.edu

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Adam T Ferrero <a...@temple.edu> wrote:

>
>
>   We put some gear on our shuttle buses that travel between campuses a few
> years ago.  Basically a Cradlepoint router (Verizon LTE cellular backhaul
> with an ethernet hand off).  That ethernet hand off goes to a wifi access
> point that is able to do dns lookup and find its controller (happens to be
> Meru but I know Aruba does supports similar mechanisms).  Everything is
> tunneled back encrypted through the controller.
>
>
>
>   This has served us well for those students that enjoy a 45 minute
> commute between campuses.
>
>
>
>   Adam
>
>
>
> [image: Adam T Ferrero]
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Wurst
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part
> of this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
>
>
>
> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless
> connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to
> sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot
> spot that the students could log into with their devices.
>
>
>
> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or
> have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
>
>
>
> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> --
>
> Daniel Wurst
>
> Network Engineer II
>
> Denison University
>
> Fellows 003B
>
> wur...@denison.edu
>
> 740-587-6229
>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Jake Snyder]

For mobile applications I've done both Cradlepoint and Cisco.  Cisco is nice 
because everyone knows how to manage Cisco Routers.  The Cradlepoint solution 
has some added benefits.  Cloud management is nice, as is being able to look at 
GPS data.  Also the "Wifi As WAN" feature on the Cradlepoint makes it an 
excellent candidate to offload video data via wifi when they are in the bus 
barn.

The other piece is Cradlepoint can support 2 sims in the IBR1100 and you can 
change carrier by downloading code.  They also have a second radio module so 
you can have two active carriers to keep people connected when one doesn't have 
service.

I've not played with the Aerohive solution, but I think they are Verizon only 
(can someone confirm?).

The other company to look at might be peplink.

Thanks
Jake Snyder
jsny...@compunet.biz
208-286-3015

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> On Nov 18, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Jeremy Gibbs <jlgi...@utica.edu> wrote:
> 
> I know people may snicker at this but take a look at the offerings from 
> Aerohive for this.  I demoed a solution that was VERY slick.  I think it 
> would work very well for you.  
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Jeremy L. Gibbs
> Sr. Network Engineer
> Utica College IITS
> 
> T: (315) 223-2383
> F: (315) 792-3814
> E: jlgi...@utica.edu
> http://www.utica.edu
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Adam T Ferrero <a...@temple.edu> wrote:
>>  
>> 
>>   We put some gear on our shuttle buses that travel between campuses a few 
>> years ago.  Basically a Cradlepoint router (Verizon LTE cellular backhaul 
>> with an ethernet hand off).  That ethernet hand off goes to a wifi access 
>> point that is able to do dns lookup and find its controller (happens to be 
>> Meru but I know Aruba does supports similar mechanisms).  Everything is 
>> tunneled back encrypted through the controller.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>   This has served us well for those students that enjoy a 45 minute commute 
>> between campuses.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>   Adam
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM
>> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
>> this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless 
>> connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to 
>> sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot 
>> spot that the students could log into with their devices.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or 
>> have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Daniel Wurst
>> 
>> Network Engineer II
>> 
>> Denison University
>> 
>> Fellows 003B
>> 
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>> 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Smith, Todd]

I am not snicking, I think Aerohive equipment is pretty nice and I looked it 
when it was still in early beta.  I see them gaining more traction over the 
years since they seem to be do a good job at what they have focused on.

Todd

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeremy Gibbs
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 14:31
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

I know people may snicker at this but take a look at the offerings from 
Aerohive for this.  I demoed a solution that was VERY slick.  I think it would 
work very well for you.


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