: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 1:50 PM
To:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
] *On Behalf Of *Benedick, Jason
*Sent:* 16 October 2014 16:45
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
That would work if the student plugs into one of the LAN switch ports on
the wireless router (when they do a lot of times that causes problems
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Our policy states if a device interferes with our network, then we reserve the
right to have that device removed. The problem is that the WCS and Controllers
are seeing over 712 devices. We can triangulate
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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 9:37 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
I posted something very similar a month or so ago. I feel your pain – as a
small school
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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 10:11 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
To me, wireless printers are absolutely the worst offenders. If they could be
eliminated
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Good morning.
Let me say first off, we’re nearly a complete Cisco shop other than our
Firewalls right now. We are running 3 – Cisco 5508 Wireless Lan Controllers
and Cisco WCS.
The AP’s in the Dorm’s and Greek
with your disciplinary system?
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of T. Shayne Ghere
Sent: 16 October 2014 16:11
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Good morning
:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *T. Shayne Ghere
*Sent:* 16 October 2014 16:11
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Good morning.
Let me say first off
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:26:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
From a technical standpoint, why not just use port security on you wired
networks to only allow 1 MAC address at a time. There should be no rouge APs
and the students
Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Justin Pederson
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:27 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
From a technical standpoint, why not just use port security on you wired
networks to only
, October 16, 2014 11:45 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
That would work if the student plugs into one of the LAN switch ports on the
wireless router (when they do a lot of times that causes problems with rogue
DHCP servers), but we more often see
Dhcp snooping?
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Benedick, Jason
Sent: 16 October 2014 16:45
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
That would work if the student
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Good morning.
Let me say first off, we’re nearly a complete Cisco shop other than our
Firewalls right now. We are running 3 – Cisco 5508 Wireless Lan Controllers
and Cisco WCS.
The AP’s
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Good morning.
Let me say first off, we’re nearly a complete Cisco shop other
than our Firewalls right now. We are running 3 – Cisco 5508
Wireless Lan Controllers and Cisco WCS.
The AP’s
This our first year introducing wireless in the dorms and in the past we
let students bring their own APs from a limited list of approved AP's
that we tested (routers not allowed) to make up for us not providing
wifi. You're going to run into the same issues in typical dense dorm
rooms but
-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Heath Barnhart
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:04 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
As I read the case, sending deauth's is exactly what the Marriot's system was
doing.
We used don't have that bad
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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Heath Barnhart
*Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:04 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
As I read the case, sending deauth's is exactly what the Marriot's system
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 1:16 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
+1 to USB free USB
16:11
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Good morning.
Let me say first off, we’re nearly a complete Cisco shop other
than our Firewalls right now. We
Of Vlade Ristevski
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 1:37 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Also forgot to mention that you can look at TTL in the IP packets as an
indicator of a NAT router. Routers are required to decrement the TTL so that's
Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Heath
Barnhart
*Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:04 PM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
As I read the case, sending deauth's is exactly what
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Benedick, Jason
[bened...@stevenscollege.edu]
Sent: 16 October 2014 18:39
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
That’s a good one. I actually never thought about that.
Thanks,
Jason R. Benedick
IT Generalist
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of T. Shayne Ghere
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:29 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Our policy states if a device
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Vlade Ristevski
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 1:44 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Do you mind sharing what system/method you use to record the mac-notify
messages and to parse them? We also have mac-notification setup
: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Our policy states if a device interferes with our network, then we
reserve the right to have that device removed. The problem is that the
WCS and Controllers are seeing over 712 devices. We can triangulate
the “area” the device might be, but that would be going
Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Joann Williamson
*Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 2:05 PM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Here is what we are thinking since we “enjoy
Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Vlade Ristevski
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 1:44 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in Dorms
Do you mind sharing what system/method you use to record the mac-notify
messages
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:24 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?
Though slightly off topic, I gotta chime in. I wish all major vendors offered
an in-wall wireless AP
: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:15 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?
Dorms are a bear to implement wireless, especially legacy buildings. We
have had wireless APs in dorms for 6 years and have made several
upgrades after
help make the point!
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jennings, Zachariah E.
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:39 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless only dorms, advice?
I pretty much second Rick’s comments. We also don’t have wireless-only dorms
yet, but the next one will have much less wire than our existing ones.
One AP per suite is what we’ve done, but you have to also consider non-RF
placement
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in dorms
Depending on your switch vendor, you can setup DHCP Trust, which says only
certain ports can respond to DHCP requests.
Solved the rouge DHCP problem for us instantly. :) (Our access layer is Cisco
3750
Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: 19 September 2011 18:12
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in dorms
At the risk of being seen as shameless in self-promotion, I just wrote a
brief piece about
Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: 19 September 2011 18:12
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in dorms
At the risk of being seen as shameless in self-promotion, I just wrote a brief
piece about
On 09/20/2011 04:06 AM, Jethro R Binks wrote:
My other concern is for those cases where you have a mix of wifi
vendor technologies. For example you might like this Motorola
product in some deployments, but otherwise be running C-word wireless
or A-word wireless. Or perhaps with T-word
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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:17 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in dorms
2 cents from someone in a similar boat.
Unfortunately, some of our campuses have been unable to support ubiquitous
wireless in dorms due to cost.
In some cases they have
: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in dorms
2 cents from someone in a similar boat.
Unfortunately, some of our campuses have been unable to support
ubiquitous wireless in dorms due to cost.
In some cases they have only common areas covered.
That being the case , with wireless being the preferred access method
Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Helman
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:22 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Rogue Device detection. (was [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless
in dorms)
Oh, tell me more about
] Rogue Device detection. (was
[WIRELESS-LAN]Wireless in dorms)
Our rogue DHCP server problems went away once we started blocking DHCP
offers at the edge. Before that we were hooking protocol analyzers up to the
segment having problems to detect rogues.
Jason Todd
Network Security Officer
On 9/20/2011 11:52 AM, David Gillett wrote:
We'll be replacing our switches over the next 6-18 months, and I'm hoping
the new
ones may include this capability.
Just be a bit cautious... our city buses offer free WiFi on board. We were
deauth-ing
/ dropping users on the buses when they
Listserv [
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Ray DeJean [r...@selu.edu]
*Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2011 12:11 PM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in dorms
We do have dorms segregated on separate vlans behind a firewall from
.
(was[WIRELESS-LAN]Wireless in dorms)
Hi, David.
What specific switch model you are going to use?
Leo Song, Senior Analyst Cluster Lead
Computing and Communication Services - Networking and Security
University of Guelph
(519) 824-4120 x 53181
_
From: David Gillett gillettda...@fhda.edu
Device detection.
(was[WIRELESS-LAN]Wireless in dorms)
Hi, David.
What specific switch model you are going to use?
Leo Song, Senior Analyst Cluster Lead
Computing and Communication Services - Networking and Security
University of Guelph
(519) 824-4120 x 53181
:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 09:03
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Rogue Device detection.
(was[WIRELESS-LAN]Wireless in dorms)
Hi, David.
What specific switch model you are going to use?
Leo Song, Senior Analyst Cluster Lead
Computing and Communication
.
David Gillett, CISSP CCNP
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From: Ray DeJean [mailto:r...@selu.edu]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 08:04
To: WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in dorms
All,
We don't currently provide wireless in our dorms, and our official policy is
to not allow
On 09/19/2011 11:04 AM, Ray DeJean wrote:
All,
We don't currently provide wireless in our dorms, and our official
policy is to not allow students to bring their own wireless devices. We
don't actively enforce this policy though, and as long as the students'
device isn't causing problems,
We do have dorms segregated on separate vlans behind a firewall from the
rest of the network. However, the Rogue DHCP server issue is one of the
main reasons we find out that a student is trying to run their own router.
We have a roguedhcp perl script that sends out dhcp requests every hour or
: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in dorms
We do have dorms segregated on separate vlans behind a firewall from the rest
of the network. However, the Rogue DHCP server issue is one of the main
reasons we find out that a student is trying to run their own router. We have
a roguedhcp perl script that sends out
, September 19, 2011 12:49 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in dorms
Depending on your switch vendor, you can setup DHCP Trust, which says only
certain ports can respond to DHCP requests.
Solved the rouge DHCP problem for us instantly. :) (Our access
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ray DeJean
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:04 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in dorms
All,
We don't currently provide wireless in our dorms, and our official policy is
to not allow students to bring
Listserv [mailto:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Ray DeJean
*Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2011 11:04 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in dorms
** **
All,
** **
We don't currently provide wireless in our dorms, and our
Information and Technology Services
Arkansas State University
870-972-3033
http://wireless.astate.edu
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From: Flagg, Martin D. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:20 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless in dorms
: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless-only Dorms?
All of the issues listed here are great examples of the complex nature of
designing an 802.11 environment with such stringent requirements.
With only 3 channels, even if you plan very carefully and precisely control
the output power of your APs, you're going
]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:41 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless-only Dorms?
Interesting discussion ongoing...
I work to remain agnostic in regards to WLAN vendors, but I
do consider Meru a leader in developing/enabling 802.11
I would be interested as well. We have the access points and will
probably install them over the winter break.
Michael H. Bean
PC Technician
Information Services
University of Saint Mary
4100 South 4th Street
Leavenworth, KS 66048
682-5151 ext. 6999
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To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless-only Dorms?
We have wireless-only dorms. We have more complaints from
those areas than we do from our new student apartments,
which are a mix of wire and wireless. There are issues.
First, you need greater density
Phil Raymond wrote:
The initial design needs to consider coverage AND capacity.
Phil (and others),
Have you got a rule of thumb for the number of students per G access point
in a college dorm?
Larry Press
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From: Larry Press [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:51 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless-only Dorms?
Phil Raymond wrote:
The initial design needs to consider coverage AND capacity.
Phil
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless-only Dorms?
Nice synopsis, Phil.
I would add that the issue about bandwidth overlap in densly
populated areas can be partially mitigated by making sure you
select a vendor that has the ability to automatically
decrease power to reduce overlap
: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless-only Dorms?
Phil Raymond wrote:
The initial design needs to consider coverage AND capacity.
Phil (and others),
Have you got a rule of thumb for the number of students per G access
point
in a college dorm?
Larry Press
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:47 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless-only Dorms?
All of the issues listed here are great examples of the complex nature
of designing an 802.11 environment with such stringent requirements
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless-only Dorms?
I believe that http://www.extricom.com/ does almost the same thing that
Meru does. Has anyone compared/contrasted the two?
Jamie A. Stapleton
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