Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

2010-01-07 Thread Philip Dorr
Me, It is cheaper (over a two year period) to stick to my current plan than to change to the subsidized plan. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Correct... but how many people are going to buy the phone for $500 and still get to pay the same monthly for the

Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Jayson Baker
Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact

Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Only if you get caught? ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6,

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Robert West
I used to like Cleveland until I... uh... wait, I never liked Cleveland. I'll take Fiji. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

2010-01-07 Thread Kevin Neal
You would think so, but when I go to a bigger city, it performs flawlessly. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Kevin - that's your phones fault, not ATT.  As much as I hate admitting that. VVM works on the latest update of the Bold. On

Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Robert West
Of course it is! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at

Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Robert West
But as an observation, when the economy goes down, fires seem to go up.. It's the American way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List'

Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread ccrum
We have had this happen about 5 times. We let it go and actually give them a new one free when they get their house rebuilt. Those customers will never leave us. Cameron Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I had one of these too. In her case we were able to use the outdoor parts, just lost the inside

Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Jason Hensley
Situations like this we replace the CPE at no charge. We maintain the CPE for our customers for any natural issues. Anything like Dog chewing cable, shotgun blasts, whatever, the customer is responsible for. With CPE prices where they are, it doesn't pay to go through the hassle or potential

Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

2010-01-07 Thread David E. Smith
but a CDMA version will be released soon (for Verizon or Sprint). Oh how I wish this were true. Even though the technologies are compatible, Sprint refuses to activate Verizon phones and vice versa. Google is attempting to change the cellular landscape by selling the device directly

[WISPA] FW: Comsearch's Free 3650 MHz Search Tool

2010-01-07 Thread Jerry Richardson
From: Comsearch Customer Support [mailto:customersupp...@comsearch.com] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:30 AM To: Jerry Richardson Subject: Comsearch's Free 3650 MHz Search Tool [http://awapps.commscope.com/email-images/3650SearchToolheader8.gif] Hello, Comsearch would like to introduce

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread RickG
I agree 110%. Whats the point of getting tied up with them for such a low amount? If you're gonna dance woit the devil, you better make it worthwhile. (ymmv). On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have

Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread RickG
Especially in the winter. Need some heat! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: But as an observation, when the economy goes down, fires seem to go up.. It's the American way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread RickG
Those customers will never leave us. - dont be too sure about that. The first fire I had, I gave them two free re-installs and two free months. They got paid the insurance money, didn't pass it on to us and then canceled a few months later. -RickG On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, ccrum

Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

2010-01-07 Thread Scottie Arnett
I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online Kevin, is your phone running Windows? LOL, couldn't resist. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Robert West
Yes. For instance... In my little town, the local hospital purchased the practice of a long time doctor. Building and all. The building was in a residential area, single story with basement. Had a few other offices in the building. Hospital decides to remodel a portion of it soon after

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Scottie Arnett
Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date:

Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Robert West
I've found that most customers will jump the fence for a few bucks difference or an increase in speed no matter how much ass kissing I do. As an old boss I had years ago used to say... Business is business. Love is love. Money isn't love. Service is what I think separates some of that.

Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Scottie Arnett
Only if you get caught! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:02:27 -0700 Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West

Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Scottie Arnett
Oh well, Eje beat me to it, lol. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:03:34 -0600 Only if you get caught? ;) -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

2010-01-07 Thread Robert West
That reminds me of a trip I took to Italy a few years ago. I ride the city busses when I travel and the busses were running really, really late. A bus pulled up and the sign on the front, where a street name would be, was a Dump Error and inside the bus the routes and schedules were normally on

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Robert West
His family must live in the area. Taken further. Family ties from the wisp to the Pres. Dude. No need to worry about gov. regs. Could be true! Probably not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie

Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread eje
Sorry. Guess great minds think alike ;) lol Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:06:05 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Oh well, Eje beat me to it,

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Marco Coelho
Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. What that transaction tells us is 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller than 5 mil would not likely be considered. A: Not True. 2-

Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

2010-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Obviously you've never seen a cash register worker count change when the machine is broken. Longest 10 minutes of my life. I just tipped them the $2 and change. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing

Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

2010-01-07 Thread RickG
I had something like that. There is a building in West Palm that has an elevator. At each stop, the automated computer calls out the floor number. On the top floor, it plays the old windows error .wav sound. It gives you a strange feeling knowing Windows is in charge of the elevator in a

Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

2010-01-07 Thread Robert West
Trust me. I've seen it and I've lived it. I used to have to teach these kids to make change. I'd say, Can you count from one to a hundred? *YUP!* Then you can make change. Many still didn't get it.. sigh.. A customer owes 30 bucks and they give you 2 twenties.. How much do you owe

Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

2010-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
That's just terrifying... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:34 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I had something like

Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

2010-01-07 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Wait! There's more! The Continental Airlines vertically-mounted plasma screens that show flight/gate/time in Houston were frozen showing a Windows error... not long ago. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Travis Johnson
I guess we'll wait and see if they think it was worth it 2-3 years from now. If not a leasing company, any bank would have probably loaned $106,000 toward this company if they put EVERYTHING on the line like they did for this loan. Yes, they get a better interest rate, but so what? If 3% vs.

Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread RickG
My entire life, I've bent over backwards for all of my customers. I still do, but that doesnt mean I'm not realistic about how people are. It used to be that service made a difference. But, what I have seen over the past few years is that they want the lowest price and service too but price comes

Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

2010-01-07 Thread RickG
We must live parallel lives! I stopped at an Arbys for lunch a while back in a college town. The register was out. My total was $5.15. I gave the kid a $10 and a quarter. He handed me 4 ones and a dime. I asked him to rethink the change. He scratched his head and finally the manager came over and

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread RickG
Good points Tom. But, without any evidence, I lean towards the Obama link. Therefore, the answers below would be different. -RickG On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed

Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Mike Mattox
Had a dial up customer leave us once. Asked why, he said you charge $20/month, I can switch to another service for $19.95. Switched for a NICKEL!!! - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January

Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] Re: Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Earned on price, lost on price. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote: Had a dial up

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of broadband

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
There is a problem with allowing companies being capitalistic? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Capitalism is fine. When an industry segment turns into an oligarchy of monopolistic entities that use their influence in government to severely undermine their competitors and hold back progress in the name of profits - that is no longer capitalism. That is exactly what has happened to the

[WISPA] COMMERCE DEPARTMENT'S NTIA AND USDA'S RUS ANNOUNCE ONLINE TOOL FOR PROSPECTIVE BROADBAND STIMULUS APPLICANTS

2010-01-07 Thread Charles Wu
COMMERCE DEPARTMENT'S NTIA AND USDA'S RUS ANNOUNCE ONLINE TOOL FOR PROSPECTIVE BROADBAND STIMULUS APPLICANTS BroadbandMatch Intended to Help Prospective Applicants for Recovery Act Funding Find Broadband Project Partners FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: January 7, 2010 NTIA Media Contact:

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Lots I can say...but it will only start an arguement. Is VoIP not competition to phone companies? On 1/7/10, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Capitalism is fine. When an industry segment turns into an oligarchy of monopolistic entities that use their influence in government to

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Charles Wu
A precondition to accepting stimulus money is to submit to an annual 3rd party CPA audit (which generally costs $10-15k / year) -- he's probably going to lose money on the deal... Oops... -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Aaron D. Osgood
Respectfully disagree - Perhaps your statement should be: VOIP is competition to Circuit Switched telecom companies Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:31:15 To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread RickG
Two wrongs dont make a right! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Travis, But, you and I are grading different topics.. I agree with your point, its questionable whether it was worth accepting the money on those terms. My point was that NTIA/RUS was not discriminating against small providers and giving them equal opportunity to consider that decission. Thats

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Brad Belton
That's part of the problem I have with these government handout programs. If you can't qualify for a loan through conventional means then why should the taxpayer be put on the hook? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yes, that is a very good point. BUT... He can use the profit from the deployed network to pay those auditing fees. I'd be more concerned about the statement that service was for a community of 600 and he might need to build to serve everyone. $106k is a bit tight to cover 600 people. Tom

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in business in the first place. If you can't show a profit and make a business work, getting a loan isn't going to fix that problem. Travis Microserv

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Because... Conventional means do not have to consider public good. Conventional means only needs to consider Profits for Stockholders. There is more to life than short term stock holder profits, when looking at economic development, putting people back to work, and curring the digital divide.

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread MDK
Thanks for the putdown. -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Yes... and to go a step further, if the

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Don't feel bad - several banks turned us down, some approved. Every bank got the same information. It makes no sense. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Mike Hammett
The Telecom industry has been fine. The CLECs were supposed to build out their own networks, most didn't. Those that didn't died. The cable companies are a much bigger threat than any CLEC... because they have their own plant. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
Travis, Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in business in the first place. So you are telling me that I have no right to be in business? The first 9 years I couldn't qualify for loans. I