Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners

2006-01-13 Thread Peter R.
CP has stopped selling Residential. Period. (That is what I was told). Regards, Peter Charles Wu wrote: Not to kick a dead horse here, but I heard the other day (from a WISP friend of mine) that Commpartners has stop installing WISP residential connections (due to E911 compliance issues) for

RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners

2006-01-12 Thread Charles Wu
Not to kick a dead horse here, but I heard the other day (from a WISP friend of mine) that Commpartners has stop installing WISP residential connections (due to E911 compliance issues) for the time being This sucks for him since he's already paid the $5k setup fee and his 1500+ wireless customers

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipe provider" vs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
ll apply to WISP's future of using VOIP. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:49 P

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2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
led to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers.   Now, lets open the floor for discussion... Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband     - Original Message - From: Charles Wu To: 'WISPA Ge

RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumbpipeprovider"vs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider (htmlformatted for easier reading)

2006-01-05 Thread Charles Wu
>"Again, they should be held accountable for what they have built with PUBLIC MONEY." IMO, it's nearly impossible to do a 1/2 and 1/2 type of model I doubt there is any service provider out there who HAS NOT benefited in some manner from PUBLIC MONEY at some time (or who would want to close the do

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipeprovider"vs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider (htmlformatted for easier reading)

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
last 50 years, Oh by the way lets forget that, and have it to my self now.   Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband     - Original Message - From: Charles Wu To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:43 PM

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipeprovider"vs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider (html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
& Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipeprovider&qu

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipeprovider"vs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider (html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
ture of TCPIP. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] VOIP /

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "bigdumbpipe provider"vs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider(html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
eant to be a complaint regarding WISPA, just a suggestion on possible goals for WISPA. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'"

RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipeprovider"vs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider (html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-05 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Charles Wu wrote: If memory serves me correctly, BPS Networks / Telephone is an rural ILEC -- you deploy wireless in areas where it doesn't make sense to deploy DSL over your own infrastructure BPS Networks is an ISP that is partnered with BPS Telephone (an ILEC). Now,

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipeprovider"vs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider (html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-04 Thread George
John Scrivner wrote: I am not too concerned. It is only about $40K a month in recurring monthly revenues off the SBC network! :-)I do worry what the phone company will do but I am nearly making as much off of wireless now as I am off the ILEC copper so in a year or so I could "snip snip"

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipeprovider"vs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider (html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-04 Thread John Scrivner
I am not too concerned. It is only about $40K a month in recurring monthly revenues off the SBC network! :-)I do worry what the phone company will do but I am nearly making as much off of wireless now as I am off the ILEC copper so in a year or so I could "snip snip" the little copper hab

RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipeprovider"vs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider (html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-04 Thread Charles Wu
Do that. I will watch from the "woodwork". If memory serves me correctly, BPS Networks / Telephone is an rural ILEC -- you deploy wireless in areas where it doesn't make sense to deploy DSL over your own infrastructure Now, this isn't meant as a comdemnation or anything, but knowing this backg

RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumbpipe provider"vs.end-to-endconnectivity/content provider (html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-04 Thread Charles Wu
s --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPa

Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipe provider"vs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider (html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-04 Thread Mac Dearman
The way I see it is this: (automatic insertion of my .o2 cents) If Bell South can charge people extra for added services I can too. You pay extra for call waiting, call forwarding, call blocking...etc - - - you pay extra on my internet service to have me give your VoIP packets prioritizati

RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipe provider"vs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider (html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-04 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Charles Wu wrote: For some reason, I am getting a feeling that thread may be going beyond "topic debate" to "personal attacks" -- so I will restate my If you are referring to my comment, you are missing the point. I am not, in any way, attacking you personally. I am simp

RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipe provider"vs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider (html formatted for easier reading)

2006-01-04 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message You seem to be taking this beyond what anyone has stated.  There maybe those that say the things that you claim above, however what yousaid was that "...preference of one's own traffic...is not that muchdifferent than..." and you went on to show a link to a story thatwas NOT E

RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipe provider" vs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider

2006-01-04 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Charles Wu wrote: If you take this line reasoning a few iterations further, it can easily become a "that @[EMAIL PROTECTED] competitor is riding my network for free to access my customers, so I'm just gonna cut them off" type of discussion Let me show you again what I res

RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipe provider" vs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider

2006-01-04 Thread Charles Wu
--- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartn

RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipe provider" vs. end-to-end connectivity/content provider

2006-01-04 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Charles Wu wrote: If you think about it, an argument can be made that preference of one's own traffic (or depreffing competition traffic) is not that much different than These are nowhere NEAR the same thing. Let me give an example. Let's say that my webserver is somethi

RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- "big dumb pipe provider" vs. end-to-end connectivity/content provider

2006-01-04 Thread Charles Wu
performance to their VOIP servers over our network. Think about it, do you think I'm going to allow the same performance to our competitive VOIP provider as I do to our own VOIP services? By getting us to be a Partner for them, we'd optimize them for our own benefit, and indirectly Comm Parnter